Existential Crisis with the Fall of the West

[NomadicExpatParticipant 1785]

I’m realizing that a Man without a goal is like a ship without a Captain. Right now, I have no goals or aspirations, so Ive got to change that soon, as my ship is quickly sinking financially.

For most men (non MGTOW) their goal and aspirations are pussy. Worship it, beg for it, grovel for it. My aspirations and goals used to be defeating the enemy and mastering combat prowess.

I believe my old dream may still be worth pursuing…. a cabin in the woods where I can be a hermit and be left the f~~~ alone.

Is it still possible, with hyper inflation and property taxes, as women and government ceaselessly look for more ways to financially rape capable, working Men? Or is this a dream much like marriage, where after all of a Mans blood, sweat and tears, the parasites use legal actions to”legally” steal everything Ive worked so hard to build…. again?

If I owned the deed to my house and the land surrounding it, Im defending it with my last dying breath. This is Sprarta, Mother F~~~er. I dont want to paint myself into a corner again. Am I chasing a fantasy? To work hard, own my slice of land, then finally break free of this god-forsaken, gynocentric society?

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

There is so much great stuff here I can’t add.
I hope whatever you need comes your way.

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

Leonard Cohen ::

Everybody knows that the dice are loaded
Everybody rolls with their fingers crossed
Everybody knows the war is over
Everybody knows the good guys lost
Everybody knows the fight was fixed
The poor stay poor, the rich get rich
That’s how it goes Everybody knows

Everybody knows that the boat is leaking
Everybody knows that the captain lied
Everybody got this broken feeling
Like their father or their dog just died
Everybody talking to their pockets
Everybody wants a box of chocolates
And a long-stem rose
Everybody knows
Everybody knows that you love me baby
Everybody knows that you really do
Everybody knows that you’ve been faithful
Ah, give or take a night or two
Everybody knows you’ve been discreet
But there were so many people you just had to meet
Without your clothes
And everybody knows
Everybody knows, everybody knows

And everybody knows that it’s now or never
Everybody knows that it’s me or you
And everybody knows that you live forever
Ah, when you’ve done a line or two
Everybody knows the deal is rotten
Old Black Joe’s still pickin’ cotton
For your ribbons and bows
And everybody knows
And everybody knows that the Plague is coming
Everybody knows that it’s moving fast
Everybody knows that the naked man and woman
Are just a shining artifact of the past
Everybody knows the scene is dead
But there’s gonna be a meter on your bed
That will disclose
What everybody knows
And everybody knows that you’re in trouble
Everybody knows what you’ve been through
From the bloody cross on top of Calvary
To the beach of Malibu
Everybody knows it’s coming apart
Take one last look at this Sacred Heart
Before it blows
And everybody knows

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[SandalsParticipant 4253]

NomadicExpat wrote:

I believe my old dream may still be worth pursuing…. a cabin in the woods where I can be a hermit and be left the f~~~ alone.

Is it still possible, with hyper inflation and property taxes, as women and government ceaselessly look for more ways to financially rape capable, working Men?

I once lived in a cabin in the woods (paid rent though). Spiders tried to build a web around the entire cabin like spiderman. It was a royal f~~~ to combat. They were constantly attacking me when I went outside onto the deck, and they worked together to attack in very stealthy ways.

That’s a true story.

Wherever there is wheat, weeds will grow around it.

Plants, animals, people… they constantly attack you. Unfortunately, that is the way of the world. Dog eat dog.

Another problem is that every piece of land in this country is owned, most stolen by Beaureu of Land Management.

[NomadicExpatParticipant 1785]

Sandals wrote:

NomadicExpat wrote:

I believe my old dream may still be worth pursuing…. a cabin in the woods where I can be a hermit and be left the f~~~ alone.

Is it still possible, with hyper inflation and property taxes, as women and government ceaselessly look for more ways to financially rape capable, working Men?

I once lived in a cabin in the woods (paid rent though). Spiders tried to build a web around the entire cabin like spiderman. It was a royal f~~~ to combat. They were constantly attacking me when I went outside onto the deck, and they worked together to attack in very stealthy ways.

That’s a true story.

Wherever there is wheat, weeds will grow around it.

Plants, animals, people… they constantly attack you. Unfortunately, that is the way of the world. Dog eat dog.

Another problem is that every piece of land in this country is owned, most stolen by Beaureu of Land Management.

Thanks for the real life insight. Ive been dreaming of an Off-Grid capable place for sometime now, but understand academically that it will be a daily fight with nature.

I dont envision a John the Baptist type of existence, but a quasi normal life in the boonies where things wont be too bad when Western Civilization finally lets out its death howl. Most people dont have enough food in their house to go more than a few days, and I dont want a basement full of MREs.

A basic garden, a chicken coop and some solar panels. Enough to make it through a crisis. I still plan on working a job for normal living expenses and paying off land and home, but when the next wave of riots go down and the shelves are bare, at least Ill have some regenerating food assets at hand.

Oh, and a fresh water well.

Im fully aware how dependent I am on a system that is grinding itself to a halt.

[SandalsParticipant 4253]

Running water is really the key, which it seems you know. Cross bows for hunting.

Plant yourself next to a stream or some type of waterfall. I would love to know enough engineering to convert a waterfall into electrical energy. Also, run pipes from the stream or waterfall throughout the cabin for a full plumbing system. Hopefully a generator attached to the waterfall could provide heat, electricity, and hot water. Otherwise, need constant fire going to heat up the water.

I have often had the same plan – off grid cabin in the woods. There won’t be riots where I live (maybe close though), but we don’t need riots to cause problems. The police are the murderers here (murdering innocent citizens). Your post about cops these days is spot on.

The animals in the woods are ingenious in how they operate. That idea from Jurrasic Park where one velocaraptor acts as a decoy while the other attacks – I have had buzzards do that to me. I was starring up in the sky thinking “What the hell is that buzzard doing just circling above me?” – I turned around at the last second to wave off the attacking buzzard (aiming straight for my head) – ONLY because I suddenly thought of the Jurrasic Park film. These animals are not stupid. They are highly complex systems of organization that operate together to survive. You must kill any animal that comes even close, immediately – no matter how loving and adorable it appears – it’s a f~~~ing trap. Cut the head off, and send a message to the other animals – that’s all they know and respond to.

[Anonymous 6]

The blue pill world claims that the truth hurts but we who have swallowed the red pill know it only made us aware of the pain the lies caused.
It sounds like you are experiencing a profound paradigm shift, your existential crises.
You may even find yourself having something of a religious or transcendent experience.
If you do?
Try not to latch on and impose meaning on that experience.
Time will provide understanding, context and real meaning.

The best I can really offer is to try and recapture something of this;

Ranger One wrote:

Children, of course, begin life with an untarnished sense of wonder, a capacity to experience total joy at something as simple as the greenness of a leaf;

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

I’m sure that the system will collapse in my sons’ lifetimes, if not my own. My 2 1/4 acres is a virtual paradise, half-wooded, with 5 small streams (2 main ones). On the eastern side of the property (non-wooded) near the road, I have a long hedge, a mix of 2 rows of overlapping evergreens for privacy, with a rose hedge (that yields edible fruit – sea tomatoes) to discourage anyone curious as to what is behind the evergreens.

On the wooded side of the “sunny” stream, between the stream and the main forest, I’ve cut down a large area of trees and have begun planting bamboo native to North America as a privacy hedge. Much of the woods is nearly impassable, due to mud you will sink into up to your knees (due to the 3 streams in that area).

My main “forest garden” consists of 2 pear trees, 4 apple trees, 3 cherry trees, 3 plum trees, 2 quince trees, 2 medlar trees, 2 Asian persimmon trees, 3 dwarf peach trees, 1 nectarine tree, 8 fig trees, 5 Chinese date trees, 1 pomegranate tree, 2 pecan trees, about 7 American hazelnut bushes, about 7 European hazelnut bushes, 2 currant bushes, 2 pussywillow trees (think tea like aspirin), 2 trifoliate oranges, and one witchhazel tree. Also walnut trees on the periphery.

And dozens of sea tomato rose bushes, 2 Siberian pea shrubs with edible pods, about 5 aronia berry bushes and about 30 blueberry bushes. I have a hawthorn bush, a mayhaw bush, and a serviceberry bush. I have a f~~~-ton of watercress in and around the stream, along with cattails (edible) and wapato (arrowhead). Probably about 6-7,000 square feet. The garden has the main “sunny” stream running through it. Amphicarpae bracteata forms a ground cover. There are also a freak-ton of both chives and garlic chives, as well as Elecampane and bee balm.

The house garden has 2 pear trees, 14 goji berry bushes, 10 blueberry bushes, 3 Oregon grape bushes, 20 teaberry (wintergreen) vines, about 200 strawberry plants, climbing spinach vines (perennials), various perennial flowers. In there is also spearmint, peppermint, lemon balm, Smith’s mint, apple mint, catnip, lovage, oregano, lavender, Chinese licorice, Astralagus, perennial chamomile, winter savory, rue, sea kale, wood nettle. I also have plants in pots that I bring in for the winter (lime tree) and 2 Miracle fruit trees(so called because they make bitter food taste sweet if you eat them first).

My house garden also has annuals (nastursiums, eggplants, tomatoes, zucchini, cucumber, okra, radishes, carrots (red, orange, yellow, white, magenta, purple), spaghetti squash, crookneck squash. I have 5 metal arbors over the main pathway in the middle with a mix of moonvines (that bloom at night) and morning glories (that bloom in the day) that have formed a green tunnel. I have 2 metal arbors and the 2 entrances of the garden, at the end of the path, one with American wisteria vines and the other with Carolina jasmine. I have a small pond with lily pads and several frogs, with a Japanese maple hanging over it. Creeping raspberries & Apios americana form a ground cover.

I have fencing around the 2000 sq foot house gardens to keep the deer out and I’ve crossbow-bolted a rabbit that was dumb enough to enter the garden. Inside my house, I’m experimenting with aquaponics and wasabi plants.

Right outside the fence is my 5th year of hybridized rice (3 varieties that originated from Northern Japan) that I got from the Dept of Agriculture, that I’m growing to select for the Maryland climate.

Chocolate mint and 2 concord grape vines grow across the stream from the main vine garden.

A side garden has 5 goji berry bushes, 2 Japanese pepperbushes, winterberry bushes, and various asparagus, rhubarb and Jerusalem artichokes.

I have a separate vine garden that has Concord grapes, green grapes, and red grapes. Also hops, schisandra vines, and kiwi fruit vines.

A center garden has several Chinese mahogany trees (edible leaves) and many flowering plants.

The funny thing is, much of it doesn’t look like a garden. Nearly every area on the property produces some kind of food. Even in the shady, swampy woods, there are hundreds, if not thousands of skunk cabbage… edible if you know how to cook them.

When SHTF, getting through the least of the barriers will take some effort, and will be rewarded by finding water hemlock labeled as carrots, and nightshade labeled as blueberries, among other fun things. Other fun things will be reverse-engineered paintball sentry guns that don’t fire paintb~~~~, inward facing so you won’t see them until you get shot in the back, and even then you will only see a slit on the outside of a camouflaged armoured cloche.

That’s assuming one gets that far and have not been sniped by someone in my household with an FNH SCAR or LR-308. There are all kinds of flavors of death for unwelcome visitors during WROL, from 22LR, 9mm, 40, 45, 357 & 38, 7.62×39, 5.56×45, 12-gauge, 7.62×51. Nighttime is even less friendly, as raccoons have found out: nightvision and quiet crossbows are a real deadly combination.

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[NomadicExpatParticipant 1785]

Ranger One,

Sounds like youve got your bases covered! Thats exactly the type of setup Im envisioning as my new goal in life.

How long did it take to develop? Were you raised in that type of environment, or are you the 1st generation designer? Any livestock?

Ive been really interested in aquaponics as well, Ive seen some amazing micro-ecosystems with coy ponds. I love systems like this, but Ive never had the opportunity to go hands on like that.

Ive got a green thumb, I cant wait to put it to use on land that I OWN.

Sweet setup Ranger One!

[NomadicExpatParticipant 1785]

Sandals wrote:

I haven’t read it, but your intro probably could have been the first chapter to War is a Racket by Smedley Butler.

Holy S~~~ Sandals, I assumed the book recommendation was using the historic Smedley Butler as a pseudonym….

You’ve just completely Mind F~~~ed me. I now have a mission: to gobble up ALL information about this amazing Man.
When I was going through the ranks, Smedley Butler’s name was hammered into us, but not for anything he said in his later years unfortunately.

What they taught us about the Legendary Smedley Butler when I was Active Duty:

Major General Smedley Butler was the most decorated and highest ranked Marine possible during his time. He received TWO Medals of Honor, for two different actions, during two different wars. He also received the USMC Brevet Medal, which was considered the Medal of Honor for Brevet Officers at that time. He’s as close to a 3X Medal of Honor recipient as we’ve ever come throughout the entire history of the United States from any of the armed services.

What they never mentioned was far more impressive than what they did. It is also much more alarming.

His direct quote from the 1935 issue of Common Sense magazine:

“I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902–1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.”

But that pales in comparison to the Business Plot, which I’m sure none of us have ever heard of:

Gents, this isn’t a tin foil hat wearing nutjob. He isn’t a random p~~~ed off vet with issues. This is Smedley F~~~in’ Butler… Again, we had to memorize s~~~ about him (only his actions in war, unfortunately) during OCS.

This guy was a living legend. In the end, he found the truth. He wasn’t alone:

Ugh… I hate how true this s~~~ is. No, I’m not a tinfoil hat guy either, I know because I was f~~~ing there. Goddamned it.

[NomadicExpatParticipant 1785]

Another try at the last picture

[TyrolvaParticipant 99]

My opinion:

I think you finally understand the futility of human endeavor. No matter how much we succeed, the novelty will eventually wear off. Eventually we’ll get stuck: we can’t succeed any more and you won’t want to go back. The only option in this scenario is suffering: either you stay at your current level and feel the pain of not getting what you want, or you lose and feel the pain of loss.

The only feasible solution in this instance is to learn detachment, which is the highest form of human endeavour. Stop having desires, and don’t worry about “wasting” your life because there’s nothing to chase after. Problem with this solution is that we’re biologically programmed to search for certain things (like food, sex, sleep), in order to survive. So we can’t even eliminate all of our desires.

Free will? Freedom? Nope! The fact that observable “trends” in human behaviour exist disprove this theory. If you don’t believe me, I challenge you to decide to do something consciously without thinking about it. It’s impossible, you’ve never done this. People do not come up with ideas spontaneously; they are either buried in the subconscious or spurred on by the environment.

Basically, we’re f~~~ed. Humans are broken beyond repair, as are most living things. Everything you accomplished only managed to increase expectations and increase happiness only temporarily, every “value” and “culture” was just part of our programming from the beginning. We exist for no real purpose, we only strive and suffer so the future generation can inevitably take it for granted, life, pleasure, and suffering are utterly meaningless.

But that’s okay, because existential dread only exists when thought exists. So don’t think so much.

So we can’t stay satisfied by getting what we want, yet we are forced to keep searching for satisfaction. There really is not any winning choice, even suicide is pointless if there is no god and the law of conservation of energy is true. You would eventually just reincarnate; it’s only a matter of time that you won’t perceive.

Your only real option is to accept suffering, do your best to mitigate it but know you can only go so far. Have some fun, put on your mask, pretend to be normal, try to reduce suffering, and accept inevitable emptiness. Existence is only a problem once you start thinking about it, so don’t think unnecessarily. The stress and angst really aren’t worth the ego gratification; nobody else really cares that much anyway.

In a nutshell: the only cause of suffering is self-affirmation, whether voluntary through things like ego, desire, pride, or involuntarily through our survival instincts.

[Anonymous 3]

NomadicExpat wrote:

uly thought what I was doing was Just, Honorable and absolutely necessary to protect the shining light of civilization from the barbarian hordes.

NomadicExpat wrote:

I also realized that the western world had dramatically changed into a gynocentric, pussy worshipping factory that churns out Beta males at the cyclic rate, to be used as worker bees for the hive.

All I can say is ME too

[Anonymous 3]

there are some incredible posts here. thank you all. MGTOW

[Anonymous 3]

Anonymous wrote:

I live one day at a time now. I think all creatures do the same.
I think the happiest people live in the moment.

I am a viet nam vet. I have close friends who I sat in high school classes with die there & Marine friends who got spit on in airports upon their return. Sandal’s video made me sick with sadness thinking about all the brave & healthy men who gave their lives in all the wars. One of my Uncle’s landed on D – Day. my saving Grace is meditation practice on a daily basis. I recommend it to anybody.

[SandalsParticipant 4253]

Ranger One wrote:

begun planting bamboo

How do you contain that? Bamboo is a virus that knows no bounds, if you ask me. Grows a foot in all directions every day. Aren’t you afraid of ending up with a bamboo farm?

[Jim01Participant 6678]

it is funny how I used to be massively patriotic (British) but over the years that has whittled down to next to nothing

I don’t even care about the West being invaded anymore. Yes, on occasion it f~~~s me off and I will rant about it but I was thinking only just this weekend and into this morning that all of the people who have treated me like s~~~ down the years have been white, English people (I am white myself)

From snobby attitudes, rude t~~~s, bad bosses to obnoxious builders – all f~~~tards and I just couldn’t care less anymore. Individually I have been treated like s~~~ for too long so why should I give a f~~~ if bad things happen to others

Society is now the Beautiful Ones mice experiment and I say let it all burn

[Anonymous 6]

The way we are living is grossly unsustainable whether things collapse tomorrow, in a few years or fifty who knows?
The thing is once it does HIV will spread like wildfire.

Without medication, testing or even condoms to keep HIV controlled the human race is going to be absolutely decimated.

Personally I think we have well and truly deserved it.

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

NomadicExpat wrote:

Ranger One,

Sounds like youve got your bases covered! Thats exactly the type of setup Im envisioning as my new goal in life.

How long did it take to develop? Were you raised in that type of environment, or are you the 1st generation designer? Any livestock?

Ive been really interested in aquaponics as well, Ive seen some amazing micro-ecosystems with coy ponds. I love systems like this, but Ive never had the opportunity to go hands on like that.

Ive got a green thumb, I cant wait to put it to use on land that I OWN.

Sweet setup Ranger One!

I started about 8 years ago, with the first fruit trees, since they’d take the longest. Then I started mixing in fruit bushes like blueberries, then now groundcovers so I don’t have to keep using mulch and landscaping fabric for weed suppression.

I am by education/training: computer science, accounting and US Navy. So… self-taught.

I’m planning to start building my 4’x4’x4′ mobile chicken coups and their detachable runs next year. Possibly 2019 I may get dairy goats. Then if everything is balanced, then get bees in 2020.

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

Sandals wrote:

Ranger One wrote:

begun planting bamboo

How do you contain that? Bamboo is a virus that knows no bounds, if you ask me. Grows a foot in all directions every day. Aren’t you afraid of ending up with a bamboo farm?

It is possible to contain bamboo, especially if you utilize natural boundaries such as streams. If it expands further than I plan, it’d have to expand into the woods, where it would be heavily shaded.

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

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