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Mysterious Man 2 years, 11 months ago.
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I believe that the U.S. military industrial complex globalist puppeteering scam only serves to spread (((democracy))) across the world and not steal gold and oil for (((them))).
Yeah. Most countries work this way. We’re not particularly good, but there have been worse countries. We were, at one point, better. Sort of. Except for all the Native American countries that got in our way. And the Spanish ones. Of course, they also murdered lots of people who got in their way.
or obey an order that does against my order.
If you cannot follow orders, blindly (there are rare, rare, rare, rare exceptions, mainly revolving around ‘will this kill me in the next five to ten minutes’), you should not join.
Up until and even after World War I, the United States was an isolationist country
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. See Pistol Pete. We’ve never been isolationist. Not ever. We’ve been grabby. We’ve just been less prone to engage in wars that didn’t benefit us in the past.
The f~~~ing empire does not benefit our country in any way.
Well, no, because we’re running it very badly right now. A well-run empire would be a fiscal delight. Compare Victorian Britain to contemporary Britain, for example. I would posit that the petrodollar was certainly a boon for us, until we got greedy and stupid and too corrupt to realize that cutting our middle class off at the knees was a bad thing, and sold ourselves to any foreign potentate with a few pfennigs for congressional bribes. Empires can be of great delight and joy for countries that are at the center of them. I would note that Han China is doing pretty well right now, at the center of an empire of quite a few folks (such as the Uighur, or the Tibetans, or any number of other groups who do not benefit from this so much).
I think you’re thinking of military service the wrong way. If you’re really interested in joining a military that defends a reasonably awesome group on a daily basis, may I recommend joining the Israeli Defense Force? They’re probably one of the few groups around today that fit your philosophical needs. On the other hand, the pay sucks, and unless you become a lifer, there’s not really any long-term benefit to it.
Napoleon’s France probably also fit your philosophical needs, up until the point they seized the throne of Spain. Or perhaps even before then.
If you’re actually interested in a combat role (“Combat Arms”), may I recommend thinking of yourself as a mercenary? That would probably be the best way to get through it, and have some fun at the same time. On the other hand, that might not work for you. Medic might be a role that serves you well, as well as one of the overwhelming majority of positions that don’t really have a lot to do with combat. Or fighting. At all.
Air National Guard or Coast Guard would probably be a good fit, honestly.
Thanks, friend. Now, I detest Zionism in its right, so I won’t be enlisting in the IDF anytime soon. I can’t tell if you’re being disparaging or sarcastic.
"Our virtues and our failings are inseparable, like force and matter. When they separate, man is no more." -Nikola Tesla
. I’d be glad to serve in the military, just as long as I don’t become what we seek to ‘destroy.’
I’ll buy that. That is a sensible approach. This means you have principals and I can respect that, even if I happen not to agree all of them all the time. A man without principals really isn’t man at all. Many Many times I have taken a stand which was unpopular and open to ridicule because I chose to stand on principal—and although I’m not a libertarian I am a Constitutional Conservative, and a Nationalist so the Constitution is paramount in all things. (yes I’m concerned about the unbridled power of the Executive even when its doing things I like)
Just a suggestion: The next time someone hits you up with a pro-imperialism stance, try this counter argument: Can you point to a single instance where imperial exploitation yielded more profitable and equitable results for everyone than a system of voluntary mutual cooperation?
the answer of course is no, and that will stump them. So why my chicanery? Simple. One can find out much more about what someone really believes when they are mad than otherwise. Thus I withdraw my previous objection—Do it–join up—When military men have no principals and mindlessly follow orders—you get places like Dachau, and Bergen-Belson. So join up and keep these guys on the straight and narrow.
Thanks, friend. I completely agree with your stance. 🙂
"Our virtues and our failings are inseparable, like force and matter. When they separate, man is no more." -Nikola Tesla
If you don’t mind elaborating, what was the Air Force like for you?
For me, the biggest reward was learning about so many different things. I enjoyed learning about the inner workings of many different types of aircraft, aircraft engines and weapon systems. I just found it all very fascinating. There was always something new that the Air Force was willing to teach me. I even received second language training which I still practice today although I’m no longer proficient. I enjoyed the travel too! I got to see parts of Germany, Britain, Norway and even Greenland.
However, I’m afraid that I must agree with PP on his initial stance that it doesn’t sound like the military is quite right for you. If your personal ideals conflict with military indoctrination then you will be miserable and you will make life miserable for those you’re serving with.
There are also a lot of bulls~~~ rules and regulations that you need to follow too. If you’re a non-conformist, you become a problem. And the military will more likely ditch you rather than deal with you…
Thanks, friend. Your insight has been more valuable to me than you think.
I hate sitting being in school for 7 hours a day, so I don’t see myself working 8 hours a day. I plan to travel on my own dime anyway. 🙂
"Our virtues and our failings are inseparable, like force and matter. When they separate, man is no more." -Nikola Tesla
One of the coincidences to not fall for when joining the military is that drop dead gorgeous women will hunt you down.
This is a very common occurrence.Please Remember: “They are not after me, they are after my newly acquired resources package, future, and future resources.”
This cannot be overemphasized.
In the next 2 years you will watch many men destroyed this way, do not be one of them.
Congratulations on your decision!
Thanks, friend. I’ve already seen many soldiers get screwed over by their wives. One soldier who went on the Dave Ramsey show was even had a
c~~~wife that ran up over fifty thousand in credit card debt. I won’t make the same mistakes."Our virtues and our failings are inseparable, like force and matter. When they separate, man is no more." -Nikola Tesla
You’ve been indoctrinated by the entire leftist bulls~~~ educational system that you grew up in. You sound like a little communist. Do yourself a favor and grow the f~~~ up before you join the military because it represents 180° different view of the world that you have incidentally you have 180° wrong view of the world like a child. If you were one of my privates coming at me with that attitude I literally would’ve beat you to a bloody pulp. Your attitude is infuriating.
Be professional be polite but always have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
I would pick a STEM field and go to college. F~~~ hot young women, have dinner parties. Camp on weekends, more hot pussy. Given your age.
Start a side contracting business.
Buy real estate and harvest feminist paychecks via rent forever. Safe of cash.
Oh I just described my life.
Now if I just did not get married. Never had mgtow in my day.
My pal’s nephew was Killed in service to his country.
Factor that in and ignore all “coward” shaming.
Fo NOT live your life for others or institutions.
Thanks, friend. I plan to follow a self-study curriculum and pursue entrepreneurial endeavors rather than fork over thousands of dollars and a 9-5. I’m not sure if I can even attract women.
"Our virtues and our failings are inseparable, like force and matter. When they separate, man is no more." -Nikola Tesla
You’ve been indoctrinated by the entire leftist bulls~~~ educational system that you grew up in. You sound like a little communist. Do yourself a favor and grow the f~~~ up before you join the military because it represents 180° different view of the world that you have incidentally you have 180° wrong view of the world like a child. If you were one of my privates coming at me with that attitude I literally would’ve beat you to a bloody pulp. Your attitude is infuriating.
First of all, I’m not indoctrinated by the system, you f~~~ing idiot. Did you not read any of my posts where I praise CAPITALISM and REJECT WAR? Yes, the public indoctrination system is completely responsible for me not wanting to be a part of a corrupt system and follow the Constitution. What proof do you have of me even remotely subscribing to leftist ideology? Are you talking out of your ass?
Second, if I sound like a communist, you sound like a puppet who believes that War is Peace. I have never, nor will I ever within my lifetime, subscribe to Communist ideology. Great job playing identity politics. Glad you stand up for those who died for the bankers and neocons. I’m really glad that you support the raping and pillaging of Middle East in the War on Terror.
Third, I don’t need to f~~~ing grow up. You need to grow a spine and realize that you’ve been lied to and that those who question the military are not some Communist hippies who believe that we need socialism. You also need to grow up and accept the fact that there are different opinions than yours.
Fourth, I don’t need to change anything for anyone. If you don’t like or my opinions, don’t f~~~ing talk to me unless you can speak to me without speaking down to me like a child. Ironically, you only hold one world view and can’t accept the opinions of someone else, like a f~~~ing child. Unlike you, I’m not a violent barbarian that resorts to violence every time someone disagrees with him. Judging my your assertions, you clearly have not evolved.
"Our virtues and our failings are inseparable, like force and matter. When they separate, man is no more." -Nikola Tesla
Allow me to offer an alternative to the military that still gives you great camaraderie, a sense of pride, and knowledge that you are helping others and making a difference.
https://www.fs.fed.us/fire/people/hotshots/IHC_hist.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interagency_hotshot_crew
This is what I’ve done for a living for the last several years. It’s very tough but very rewarding, too. I thought very carefully about joining the military ten years ago, and I ended up doing this instead. I’ve never regretted it.
The physical fitness standards vary from crew to crew. The toughest crews are on par with the physical standards of U.S. Marines Force Recon, and the work itself is very stressful at times. But you feel great afterwards. 🙂
"Are you loosed from a wife? Do not seek a wife." --Apostle Paul
Allow me to offer an alternative to the military that still gives you great camaraderie, a sense of pride, and knowledge that you are helping others and making a difference.
https://www.fs.fed.us/fire/people/hotshots/IHC_hist.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interagency_hotshot_crew
This is what I’ve done for a living for the last several years. It’s very tough but very rewarding, too. I thought very carefully about joining the military ten years ago, and I ended up doing this instead. I’ve never regretted it.
The physical fitness standards vary from crew to crew. The toughest crews are on par with the physical standards of U.S. Marines Force Recon, and the work itself is very stressful at times. But you feel great afterward.
Thanks, friend. I’ll most certainly look into it.
"Our virtues and our failings are inseparable, like force and matter. When they separate, man is no more." -Nikola Tesla
You’ve been indoctrinated by the entire leftist bulls~~~ educational system that you grew up in. You sound like a little communist. Do yourself a favor and grow the f~~~ up before you join the military because it represents 180° different view of the world that you have incidentally you have 180° wrong view of the world like a child. If you were one of my privates coming at me with that attitude I literally would’ve beat you to a bloody pulp. Your attitude is infuriating.
First of all, I’m not indoctrinated by the system, you f~~~ing idiot. Did you not read any of my posts where I praise CAPITALISM and REJECT WAR? Yes, the public indoctrination system is completely responsible for me not wanting to be a part of a corrupt system and follow the Constitution. What proof do you have of me even remotely subscribing to leftist ideology? Are you talking out of your ass?
Second, if I sound like a communist, you sound like a puppet who believes that War is Peace. I have never, nor will I ever within my lifetime, subscribe to Communist ideology. Great job playing identity politics. Glad you stand up for those who died for the bankers and neocons. I’m really glad that you support the raping and pillaging of Middle East in the War on Terror.
Third, I don’t need to f~~~ing grow up. You need to grow a spine and realize that you’ve been lied to and that those who question the military are not some Communist hippies who believe that we need socialism. You also need to grow up and accept the fact that there are different opinions than yours.
Fourth, I don’t need to change anything for anyone. If you don’t like or my opinions, don’t f~~~ing talk to me unless you can speak to me without speaking down to me like a child. Ironically, you only hold one world view and can’t accept the opinions of someone else, like a f~~~ing child. Unlike you, I’m not a violent barbarian that resorts to violence every time someone disagrees with him. Judging my your assertions, you clearly have not evolved.
Oh boy. Everything you said about me was wrong. I’m 45, I served in the Army. Got out in 92. Don’t have ANY of the views about War or politics you assume but you’re too f~~~ing smug, young, inexperienced and arrogant to understand that it’s not about ANY of that when you’re in. It’s about the men standing next to you. Your squad, Platoon, unit….your long winded tirade would have gotten you a solid fist in your nose by the 2nd sentence if you unleashed it on anyone I ever served with. I hope it happens to you because those of us it HAS happened to learned a valuable lesson about humility. The Military is NOT for you son.
Be professional be polite but always have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
You’ve been indoctrinated by the entire leftist bulls~~~ educational system that you grew up in. You sound like a little communist. Do yourself a favor and grow the f~~~ up before you join the military because it represents 180° different view of the world that you have incidentally you have 180° wrong view of the world like a child. If you were one of my privates coming at me with that attitude I literally would’ve beat you to a bloody pulp. Your attitude is infuriating.
First of all, I’m not indoctrinated by the system, you f~~~ing idiot. Did you not read any of my posts where I praise CAPITALISM and REJECT WAR? Yes, the public indoctrination system is completely responsible for me not wanting to be a part of a corrupt system and follow the Constitution. What proof do you have of me even remotely subscribing to leftist ideology? Are you talking out of your ass?
Second, if I sound like a communist, you sound like a puppet who believes that War is Peace. I have never, nor will I ever within my lifetime, subscribe to Communist ideology. Great job playing identity politics. Glad you stand up for those who died for the bankers and neocons. I’m really glad that you support the raping and pillaging of Middle East in the War on Terror.
Third, I don’t need to f~~~ing grow up. You need to grow a spine and realize that you’ve been lied to and that those who question the military are not some Communist hippies who believe that we need socialism. You also need to grow up and accept the fact that there are different opinions than yours.
Fourth, I don’t need to change anything for anyone. If you don’t like or my opinions, don’t f~~~ing talk to me unless you can speak to me without speaking down to me like a child. Ironically, you only hold one world view and can’t accept the opinions of someone else, like a f~~~ing child. Unlike you, I’m not a violent barbarian that resorts to violence every time someone disagrees with him. Judging my your assertions, you clearly have not evolved.
Oh boy. Everything you said about me was wrong. I’m 45, I served in the Army. Got out in 92. Don’t have ANY of the views about War or politics you assume but you’re too f~~~ing smug, young, inexperienced and arrogant to understand that it’s not about ANY of that when you’re in. It’s about the men standing next to you. Your squad, Platoon, unit….your long winded tirade would have gotten you a solid fist in your nose by the 2nd sentence if you unleashed it on anyone I ever served with. I hope it happens to you because those of us it HAS happened to learned a valuable lesson about humility. The Military is NOT for you son.
Really? You call me “smug” and “arrogant” based on what I said, yet you are quick to judge me based on my opinions while providing no counterargument as to why I am wrong. Hypocrisy. What does my age have to do with my opinions? If you could form a logical opinion outside of what is fed to you through the television, you would understand that being young doesn’t equate to ignorance. By your logic, the “young people” who don’t want to be shipped off to die for the bankers and neocons in our government. I suggest you research the definition of humility because if you knew me, you wouldn’t call me “smug.” I’ve learned a lot about humility at a young age; I’m not as angry at the world as I used to be. If you can prove my perspective wrong using facts and evidence, go for it. If not, stop pussyfooting around and stop insulting me.
I don’t have to serve in the military to understand the concept of brotherhood. For an “arrogant” and “smug” youth, why is that I have more empathy towards my fellow Americans than you? I help those who need help and assist those who need assistance, but I do need to kill another man to do so. I don’t resort to violence to achieve my goals because I’ve evolved from my primitivity. Wishing for me to get punched in the face for expressing my opinion only serves to prove how barbaric you are. You call me a “little communist,” yet you believe that expressing my opinion is grounds for me being assaulted. Another example of your hypocrisy. You’re no different than the “tolerant” left who believes it’s okay to punch “Nazis” in the face.
"Our virtues and our failings are inseparable, like force and matter. When they separate, man is no more." -Nikola Tesla
Lolol yup. I’m laughing…?Obviously not going to read that bulls~~~ diotribe as it amounts to absolutely squat outside a computer. Drive on brother!
Be professional be polite but always have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
Lolol yup. I’m laughing…
Obviously not going to read that bulls~~~ diotribe as it amounts to absolutely squat outside a computer. Drive on brother!All right. Have it your way. Thank you for the discussion. 😉
"Our virtues and our failings are inseparable, like force and matter. When they separate, man is no more." -Nikola Tesla
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