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@scandinavian:
well, you feel you need to be informed about the red pill and MGTOW, right? how come?
Considering:
1) this red pill news are very depressing,
2) you can’t do a darn thing, except not participating.
3) your mental well-being suffers,
4) people are upset about it…
catch my drift?
If we follow your logic here – maybe you should not learn anything about women, take the blue pill – and not care, It’s obviously healthier not knowing! just wanted to illustrate how you’re being a hypocriteThe thing you have missed is that I already am informed. I know for a fact that women and govt is bad for me, that is one of the reasons I feel no need to dig further; I have analyzed the situation and found it best to avoid. If I find a spiked pit-trap in the woods and manage to stay clear of it I mark it out and walk on, weary of more traps, I feel no need to stop at it and investigate how it was constructed in detail for days, dwelling on the thought of what would have happened if I had fallen in it, or putting up philosophical views of the necessities of lethal traps in ancient times compared to modern days. I know what I need to know; they are a hazard and the location. Period.
But what you say is pretty much that I might as well just jump into it since I don’t use my time to investigate it further?How does this make me a hypocrite?
I remeber taking the red pill. I also recall that I am a Man Going Their Own Way.
But thank you brothers. Its just a personal preference to not watch the news. I obviously still use this website to interact with people. I use to be completely into listening to the news and listening to conservative talk radio to only find myself really p~~~ed of with what was going on. Not to mention I would vent to family and friends about the problems that I had nothing to do witht. I still now who is running my country and what the weather is going to be the next day. No way am I completely happy to say that I dont listen pay attention to it, I just find myself more productive and happier without it.
The following assumes you are my fellow american…
I used to listen to conservative talk radio too. I dumped hannity and that guy with the Texas fetish, can’t remember his name, but I stuck with rush for a while. Eventually I figured out that they don’t care about the truth either and only try to support their agenda. The commercials annoy me too. Things like this:Rush: those damn liberals will believe anything Obama tells them! We’ll be back after this break.
Ad: take this pill for thirty days and loss 56.8 pounds while restoring normal testosterone function!
Rush worshiping cuckservative: Its an ad for his show! It must be true.
It always felt like such an insult to my intelligence. Oh s~~~. I just remembered that savage guy. That guy rambled on a bunch of nonsense.
The thing you have missed is that I already am informed. I know for a fact that women and govt is bad for me, that is one of the reasons I feel no need to dig further; I have analyzed the situation and found it best to avoid. If I find a spiked pit-trap in the woods and manage to stay clear of it I mark it out and walk on, weary of more traps, I feel no need to stop at it and investigate how it was constructed in detail for days, dwelling on the thought of what would have happened if I had fallen in it, or putting up philosophical views of the necessities of lethal traps in ancient times compared to modern days. I know what I need to know; they are a hazard and the location. Period.
This isnt all directed at you, your quote above just caught my eye for my next. 2paragraphs.
I cant speak for Rusky, but my take-away, and the reason I used the MGTOW analogy is partly this:
Even though you are MGTOW you still come here to read, share, and discuss. The news is the same way but even more dynamic. The world is changing daily and it is good to not only know what is happening, for your own enlightenment, but also so you voice your opinion.
FWIW If people dont want to consume the news because its negative and depressing then I get it. I argue for being in the “know” because I argue for your voice expressing your opinion.
There are many news sources out there especially online. Its not like pre-internet days where one can claim their all singing the same tune.
The attitude of wanting “society to burn, doesnt fully resonate with me. Yes, there are aspects of society I would like to see fall on their faces to give them a dose of their own medicine; but no man is an island and I live in society and have to deal with its effects.
Some might say “not me, Im just GOING MY OWN WAY”. If that were the case in the strictest sense of the words then none of us would be here united under one forum discussing issues.
Resident cynic.
Ive done the same things,but I do stay in the loop with news to know whats going on around me,but I dont get my news from TV, I actually dig and read from the few real journalist left on the planet. Haven’t had cable for 10 years now,just watch sports from local TV or ESPN App,but espn for sports news sucks now they let the feminist invade that network and I dont want to hear some rehearsed c~~~ telling me about football! Most of my time online is on this site or checking out tech which im a geek for,when using my time if im not learning anything of importance that I didnt know yesterday than my time was wasted,thank you mgtow.com for not wasting my time………..
Never lose sight of what brought you here.
Anonymous3American mass media is just intolerable. Always was, but now it’s even worse and there’s no reason to use it.
As for facebook, the only reason to use it would probably be to stalk women or something.
Otherwise, it never seemed like facebook, twitter or any other social media was ever actually about forming any real connection. Messaging programs were always better for that, but nothing was ever as good as in person communication. I just get the feeling in the modern world people just don’t care. So why care about them in return? The person that cares least is apparently the “winner” so MGTOW win by opting out. Funny how that works out. That’s probably why feminists and PUAs and everyone else hate us so much, we are free and they’re too scared to join us but don’t want to admit to themselves the prison they’ve constructed for themselves.
There was an excellent analogy made on here sometime ago about the slaves on the plantation. They try to shame us into coming back because they’re too scared to leave. Forgot who wrote it, but it was pretty good.
It seems like there is a huge different in generations now. The younger generations have grown up with social media and smartphones. I’m from an older generation where the internet didn’t even exist. TV kind of sucked too. I’m seeing cable drop off again, which reminds me of my younger years working with the old rabbit antennas as we used to call them.
I don’t think I want to go back to not having the internet, but I really can’t believe facebook and twitter have been functioning for so long. There used to be a time when people valued privacy and also had some of their own shame. But I guess morality has been gone for a long time, and people would rather lie about their fake lives than just take things easy and relax.
although I am involved with amateur radio.
Me too! I love ham radio, and I recommend it to anyone with the time and money (it doesn’t take much of either) to expand their horizons.
Now and again I end up in a hotel bar. Sometimes they have a tv.
Same here. Are you quite sure we are not twins separated at birth? I’d like to believe mom would have told me, but mom was a woman …
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
Being uninformed is akin to being a Minion.
I choose to believe that the only real and meaningful change I can effect in the world is within myself. What can I do about floods in the Midwest, bombings in the Middle East and asteroids that threaten to extinguish all life on earth? Those things are in the “Them” sphere of my life… completely beyond my ability to influence. Relationships with other people are in the “Us” sphere and I do have some small influence over these things, but my real power, my ONLY real power, is my ability to change myself.
So I choose to not wallow in the filth, fear and sorrow that the mainstream news and entertainment media want to feed me… I choose to look inward and work toward making myself the best me I can be. If we all did simply this, imagine the world we could live in.
I choose to believe that the only real and meaningful change I can effect in the world is within myself.
Thats a dramatically passive approach to life. I believe in you more than you do!..
Imagine if everyone thought that way. We wouldnt be living in the world we do today. We wouldnt have the innovators, and captains of industry that forever changed the way we both perceive and interact with the world around us.
I dont believe you, yourself even believe this. If you did, then why even bother being a member on a site such as this?
Afterall you can only make change within yourself, so whats the point of interacting with others?
If we all did simply this, imagine the world we could live in.
That sounds like the lyrics to some free love, hippy Beatles song. We all saw how THAT turned out.
No offense to you, because I actually believe your capable of ACTING upon the world, and making a difference; not merely being a self-serving project. It sounds like you dont believe that.
We all influence one another. Either directly by action, or indirectly by inaction. The only difference is that the latter can have consequences we never intended by allowing our speach to be stifled by others.
what can I do about floods in the Midwest, bombings in the Middle East and asteroids that threaten to extinguish all life on earth? Those things are in the “Them” sphere of my life…
Well, 2 out of the 3 catastrophes you mentioned are natural disasters, of which noone has control. What we do have control is our response to them. If your in a democracy, thats a pivotal say.
How is it you think that feminism and all of this BS has taken over every country of the WEST? Its because of loud mouth liberal swines, who constitute less of the population than those who think like you and I.
Im not arguing that we can changed the political tide overnight, but I am arguing that being unaware of whats going on and not speaking out is a big problem.
Hell, if none of us wanted to be aware, share, or discuss then we wouldnt be here. Wed all say ” yep Im red pill…Nothing more to know. Bye!” But we dont. And for a reason.
Resident cynic.
although I am involved with amateur radio.
Me too! I love ham radio, and I recommend it to anyone with the time and money (it doesn’t take much of either) to expand their horizons.
Now and again I end up in a hotel bar. Sometimes they have a tv.
Same here. Are you quite sure we are not twins separated at birth? I’d like to believe mom would have told me, but mom was a woman …
I promised mum I wouldn’t talk about this ….. unfortunate episode …. I always keep my promise.
However …… as you state … women were involved …. so we both may have been played ?
I can’t relate to what is on TV these days. I have no use for it. The news is just an ongoing stream of all the horrible events that have happened in the world. Why let that sewer pipe dump all that s~~~ into your living room?
The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.Thats a dramatically passive approach to life. I believe in you more than you do!..
Allow me to clarify. I see the world being comprised of three spheres of influence relative to me. The “Them” sphere which contains people and events over which I have little or no direct influence because they are too big or too far away for me to personally engage with, the “Us” sphere containing people and events that are close to me over which I have some limited influence, and the “Me” sphere which contains my ideas, beliefs and expectations, over which I have the greatest amount of influence.
Now, if I spend my days watching television and getting worked up over things in the “Them” sphere such as the Kardashians or unrest in the Middle East, I will grow despondent and feel helpless because I am applying my energies where I have the least effectiveness. But if I spend my time looking inward, examining my own beliefs, ideals and expectations, I can make adjustments to myself that will improve the quality of my own life and then, by extension, the quality of my interactions in the “Us” sphere and, possibly, beyond.
Focusing on one’s own needs, abilities, strengths and weaknesses and not worrying too much what people in other places are doing is, I believe, the essence of being a MGHOW. This does not preclude me from pursuing knowledge and developing skills that can be useful to others nor does it preclude me from engaging with people in relationships or being connected to the world beyond. What it does is put the focus of my efforts where they will do the most good, in my own mind and my own hands.
Archimedes said “Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world.” I believe that lever is my own mind and the fulcrum is not in activism or social justice or politics or church or online telling other people how they should behave but right here in my own heart where I can change the quality of my own life by a simple act of will.
An ethos can not be effective if it is not universalisable… imagine a world where everyone is focused on everyone else’s business and their strategy for solving the problems of the world is telling other people how they should think, feel and act… that’s the world we live in now. Imagine, on the other hand, a world where each person works within their own minds, hearts and lives to make themselves and their own experiences the best they can be. That is not only the world I live in, but I believe it’s the world all MGTOW are, in some way or another, wanting to live in,
Are YOU on the right website?
I rarely watch tv any more, Some of the mgtow video’s on youtube, but other than that not really. I have a kindle paperwhite with quite a few books on it, I think it’s time to start autodidacting again. That s~~~ is far more interesting than network social marxism. That should be the name of all news networks. NSM.
Thats a dramatically passive approach to life. I believe in you more than you do!..
Allow me to clarify. I see the world being comprised of three spheres of influence relative to me. The “Them” sphere which contains people and events over which I have little or no direct influence because they are too big or too far away for me to personally engage with, the “Us” sphere containing people and events that are close to me over which I have some limited influence, and the “Me” sphere which contains my ideas, beliefs and expectations, over which I have the greatest amount of influence.
Now, if I spend my days watching television and getting worked up over things in the “Them” sphere such as the Kardashians or unrest in the Middle East, I will grow despondent and feel helpless because I am applying my energies where I have the least effectiveness. But if I spend my time looking inward, examining my own beliefs, ideals and expectations, I can make adjustments to myself that will improve the quality of my own life and then, by extension, the quality of my interactions in the “Us” sphere and, possibly, beyond.
Focusing on one’s own needs, abilities, strengths and weaknesses and not worrying too much what people in other places are doing is, I believe, the essence of being a MGHOW. This does not preclude me from pursuing knowledge and developing skills that can be useful to others nor does it preclude me from engaging with people in relationships or being connected to the world beyond. What it does is put the focus of my efforts where they will do the most good, in my own mind and my own hands.
Archimedes said “Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world.” I believe that lever is my own mind and the fulcrum is not in activism or social justice or politics or church or online telling other people how they should behave but right here in my own heart where I can change the quality of my own life by a simple act of will.
An ethos can not be effective if it is not universalisable… imagine a world where everyone is focused on everyone else’s business and their strategy for solving the problems of the world is telling other people how they should think, feel and act… that’s the world we live in now. Imagine, on the other hand, a world where each person works within their own minds, hearts and lives to make themselves and their own experiences the best they can be. That is not only the world I live in, but I believe it’s the world all MGTOW are, in some way or another, wanting to live in,
Are YOU on the right website?
Well said, and absolutely true.
imagine a world where everyone is focused on everyone else’s business and their strategy for solving the problems of the world is telling other people how they should think, feel and act… that’s the world we live in now.
What your describing is the thought police political correct liberals.
Are YOU on the right website?
Yes. There is a huge diffirence in staying reading the news and being some PC activist, which I am not. I dont see how you make the leap that I or anyone who reads the news is trying to “get in everyones business”. Im not sure what part of the world you live in but Im in a democratic country, with freedom of speach and the right to vote. That doesnt mean I go around “getting in everyones business”; quite the contrast I want smaller government so that they stay out of everyones business.
Edit- I wasnt trying to tell you that you dont belong on this forum in my previous post. But I can see how it reads that way. I should have made it clearer.
Resident cynic.
Yes. There is a huge diffirence in staying reading the news and being some PC activist, which I am not. I dont see how you make the leap that I or anyone who reads the news is trying to “get in everyones business”
My initial point was that I have cut off the stream of gawking and fear mongering of the main stream media and reject the idea that engagement means being aware of and caring about what’s going on with people and places over which I have little to no influence. I stated that I have decided instead to focus on making my own life better through reflection and internal adjustments to my ideas, beliefs, expectations and actions over which I have far more influence and leverage. You said that I am being passive and implied that I had checked out and that large scale adoption of my philosophy would not produce innovation or progress and that I am not doing enough to change the world.
You even made fun of my suggestion to imagine a world where everyone was handling their own business and making themselves and their own lives better as a path to making the world as a whole a better place… suggesting it is hippy dippy bulls~~~ and that I had failed your MGTOW test.
Clearly you either misunderstand my belief in the value of developing one’s self and finding one’s own health, happiness and wellbeing to both the ourselves, the people we have relationships with and the world as a whole or you are implying that if I am wasting my life if I’m not involving myself more in the business of other people.
Perhaps you’d like to state positively your idea of how you think a proper MGTOW should behave in the world. How much and what type of media should one consume? How much action should one take as a result of what they see in the media to produce meaningful change in the world and where should they apply that action and according to whose values and expectations?
If the problem is you simply don’t understand what I’m saying or see how focusing inward can have positive effects beyond the individual, then ask me for further clarifications. We’re all free to have different opinions here and we can share and explain them like adults.
..reject the idea that engagement means being aware of and caring about what’s going on with people and places over which I have little to no influence.
Ya, generally speaking I think knowledge is a good thing. These people and places you describe are known as – society, we all collectively live in. I suppose being aware of current events should be relegated to world leaders only?
This isnt rocket science here: Im encouraging you, as someone who I would most likely agree with, to voice your opinion.
I have decided instead to focus on making my own life better through reflection and internal adjustments to my ideas, beliefs, expectations and actions over which I have far more influence and leverage.
Thats great and its not mutually exclusive to spending ten minutes a day catching up on current events. But hell, I am NOT here to tell anyone to do. If you dont want to read the news, thats fine with me.
Perhaps you’d like to state positively your idea of how you think a proper MGTOW should behave in the world.
Now I know your really misunderstanding me or maybe I wasnt expressing myself well. Hell, Ill take the fault.
I have ZERO interest in telling you what to do. Im not hear to write a treaty of Magna Carta proportions. I could care less about defining a “proper MGTOW”, in fact I dislike even using catch all phrases like alpha and beta. My response to this thread was to echo Russkys sentiment that being unaware of world news isnt really a positive thing.
I also did positively state that I would probably agree with much of what you had to say on social and political issues. Its like losing one more voice thats agrees with you.
I dont know about you, but when I read some s~~~ty article written by a feminist and then see men writing in the comments section that I agree with, it feels great. That is the only dog I have in the fight- its hearing other men I agree with speak out.
If the problem is you simply don’t understand
Isnt it possible I simply disagree with you and not that my mind is exploding because I cant fathom your “pearls of wisdom”?
focusing inward can have positive effects beyond the individual,
In all honesty, you are more than likely the type of individual others would benefit from for this exercise; but Id bet dollars to doughnuts MOST people in this world think their “focusing inward and making themselves better” and their s~~~ people. Noone says “Im going to make myself a s~~~tier person”. Everyone thinks in their own mind theyre becoming a better person.
Resident cynic.
@ Ancientwisdom
Can you elaborate on how exactly keeping up with the news is a positive thing? There is nothing wrong with suggesting to fellow mgtows that they might be doing something wrong, but if the suggestion is going to have any persuasive power it needs to clear what exactly is being suggested.
Can you elaborate on how exactly keeping up with the news is a positive thing?
Knowledge is power. Since when is willful ignorance a positive position?
There is nothing wrong with suggesting to fellow mgtows that they might be doing something wrong,
Again – if anyone here wants to willfully be ignorant of current events, then have at it. Im not here to tell you what is right or wrong.
but if the suggestion is going to have any persuasive power it needs to clear what exactly is being suggested.
Any “persuasive power”?…Me stating the obvious that being an informed individual by not ignoring all news is somehow controversial? Im dumbfounded. Wtf is not “clear what exactly is being suggested?…
Staying informed and gaining knowledge via current events is favorable to any free thinking individual.
How the f~~~ more simple and clear could I be? Im not “suggesting” anything. Im f~~~ing stating it. Knowledge equals power.
These ridiculous notions that “I chose to work on myself INSTEAD” as though everyone who reads the news is choosing that rather than “working on themselves”. You can read the news while you take a s~~~.
Again, whats so confusing?
I feel like Im on a womans webpage:
Me- “staying informed and having knowledge of the world is never a bad thing”.
Replies-“Can you be clearer? Why are you telling us were ‘WRONG’?…Be more persuasive”.
Wtf…
Resident cynic.
@ Ancientwisdom
Knowledge may be power, but lies and half-truths arn’t. There are a lot of different news outlets with greatly different interpretations of what is happening in the world and why. Who do you watch/read to inform you about what is going on in the world? I know a guy who watches fox news all the time and he probably thinks I’m ignorant too. What news do you watch and why is it worth watching? If this news/media outlet is trustworthy, how do you act upon this knowledge in order to make it useful?
I think it is funny you say I can read the news while I take a s~~~ because I usually study a language or go on this website when I do that. I ask you to be persuasive because I am taking your opinion seriously and if you can convince me, maybe I’ll consider giving it a try. For now, it seems to me that learning how to actually communicate with others in the world is a much better way to influence the world rather than hear a news outlet give me a brief explanation of what is happening in the world.
I’m also not literally saying that either side of the discussion is morally correct or not. We are just a group of people expressing their opinions and questioning why each other has them. Why do you and other guys got to include statements like “If that is your choice, that is okay but.”? I don’t need my opinion to be validated by anyone.
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