Bets on Gov Shutdown

[narwhalParticipant]

I don’t think the shutdown will last more than another 2 weeks or so. And I think it will be Trump that ends up caving…though really they’re just going to prolong the issue. His last ditch effort will be the State of the Union address, which is why the democrats want to prevent Trump from giving it at all.

The democrats won’t cave because the have no other options if they cave. The media is also on their side on this. This is not viewed as an impasse, as it really is, but as Trump causing the shutdown. The longer it goes, the more Trumps ratings will go down. Trump has really backed the democrats into a corner on this and they have no way out.

I think there are two options to go forward. That being that both sides agree to fund the government for another month or so. That will allow workers to get paid. Democrats get what they asked for, which is negotiate after funding, while letting Trump still hold some leverage. I honestly don’t think Trump will go for this though as it will be viewed as only kicking the can down the road. As I pointed out earlier, the media will continue to gain leverage for the democrats the longer it goes on.

The other option is that Trump will let the bill go through without wall funding and use the military to build a wall. He has every right to do this, but the democrats will surely use the 9th court of appeals to stop it for as long as possible. They won’t win, but it will delay. The other downside is that democrats will surely tear the wall down if they win the Presidential election. That could end up being a positive as it will make the wall a top issue in the election.

There is a 3rd option, which is wall for DACA, and this is the actual compromise that should happen. Both sides get something out of it as an accomplishment, while both sides take a bit of a hit with their base for the compromise. I don’t think this will happen though as democrats really don’t want DACA, or immigration solutions. Besides getting voters, it is an excellent rallying point for those who vote with their feelings. I’ve heard mixed stories on Trump’s willingness to do a DACA deal.

Anyway, the SoUA is going to be huge. I don’t think he can swing opinion enough, but that should be the last attempt, IMO.

Ok. Then do it.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22521]

narwhal wrote:

I don’t think the shutdown will last more than another 2 weeks or so. And I think it will be Trump that ends up caving…though really they’re just going to prolong the issue. His last ditch effort will be the State of the Union address, which is why the democrats want to prevent Trump from giving it at all.

The democrats won’t cave because the have no other options if they cave. The media is also on their side on this. This is not viewed as an impasse, as it really is, but as Trump causing the shutdown. The longer it goes, the more Trumps ratings will go down. Trump has really backed the democrats into a corner on this and they have no way out.

So, you are arguing that Trump will cave because the democrats have no other options.

How exactly does your logic work?

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Fund the Wall. that is the only option.

I dont think people understand the seriousness of Trump’s not giving a f~~~. He will not compromise.

There will be a wall.

A budget will be passed that includes funding of the wall, or things will remain shutdown. Simple as that.

My prediction is this will go on until April. In the time between then and now, you will see Earth unmake itself. It will be catostrohic. But one thing will not change, that is that Trump will not pass a budget that doesnt include funding for his “barrier” or whatever you want to call it.

Its that simple. Do you understand? I dont think alot of people understand Trump is not playing f~~~ing games. LOL.

My friend doesnt understand, that is why I will get his $5 and will be purchasing Liberal Tears Ice Cream with it.

[HermitParticipant]

Gravel Pit wrote:

100% of illegal aliens are criminals.

That is a true statement which all the lefty loons choose to ignore. By entering the country illegally, they’ve committed a criminal act and should be treated more harshly than a criminal that is a U.S. citizen.

The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

Faust For Science wrote:

narwhal wrote:

I don’t think the shutdown will last more than another 2 weeks or so. And I think it will be Trump that ends up caving…though really they’re just going to prolong the issue. His last ditch effort will be the State of the Union address, which is why the democrats want to prevent Trump from giving it at all.
The democrats won’t cave because the have no other options if they cave. The media is also on their side on this. This is not viewed as an impasse, as it really is, but as Trump causing the shutdown. The longer it goes, the more Trumps ratings will go down. Trump has really backed the democrats into a corner on this and they have no way out.

So, you are arguing that Trump will cave because the democrats have no other options.
How exactly does your logic work?

Personally, I think Trump should agree to cave on the building of a Wall in exchange for the Democrats passing an end to birthright citizenship.

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[HermitParticipant]

Ranger One wrote:

Faust For Science wrote:

narwhal wrote:

I don’t think the shutdown will last more than another 2 weeks or so. And I think it will be Trump that ends up caving…though really they’re just going to prolong the issue. His last ditch effort will be the State of the Union address, which is why the democrats want to prevent Trump from giving it at all.The democrats won’t cave because the have no other options if they cave. The media is also on their side on this. This is not viewed as an impasse, as it really is, but as Trump causing the shutdown. The longer it goes, the more Trumps ratings will go down. Trump has really backed the democrats into a corner on this and they have no way out.

So, you are arguing that Trump will cave because the democrats have no other options.How exactly does your logic work?

Personally, I think Trump should agree to cave on the building of a Wall in exchange for the Democrats passing an end to birthright citizenship.

The f~~~s need to compromise something and that would be a good starting place, but the problem is, their not even willing to negotiate at all. They are stubborn children stomping their feet demanding to have their way.

It’s only prophecy being fulfilled. Evil is abounding in the world and it will be getting worse.

The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

That’s an interesting trade Ranger, I’d probably take that deal if it was on the table. No way in hell Dems would give up Anklet Babies though.

[narwhalParticipant]

Faust For Science wrote:

So, you are arguing that Trump will cave because the democrats have no other options.
How exactly does your logic work?

Not sure I could explain it in a different way then I already have. Trump’s position is going to get weaker the longer he holds it. The media will say this is all Trumps fault, and I don’t think Trump will be able to do much about that. He will ‘cave’ in the sense that he needs the shutdown to end, to remove himself of blame for it, and get a stronger position. The democrats have no option to get a stronger position. The longer it goes, the more the media will blame Trump.

‘Caving’ is probably not the right word. I think Trump will change his tactics, allow a spending bill without a wall to happen but not give up on the wall…and he has options to do just that.

Ok. Then do it.

[narwhalParticipant]

Gravel Pit wrote:

That’s an interesting trade Ranger, I’d probably take that deal if it was on the table. No way in hell Dems would give up Anklet Babies though.

It’s going to be a snowball when things like this start happening. End birth right citizen would just be a start and they know it. People will believe that other real solutions are possible…they can’t let that happen.

Ok. Then do it.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

narwhal wrote:

they can’t let that happen.

Perhaps Sh3lls religious alarmist statement about the End Times is growing more plausible:

“In the last days, men… Will not be open to ANY AGREEMENT…”
2 Timothy 3:1-7

If Trump really will not budge (which I hope he doesn’t) then flames are about to hit the fan. Especially if a long-term shutdown means crummyass welfare dependants can’t eat or buy their drugs… there will be blood and it will cascade into a bigger problem.

I welcome it. It’s high time the entire charade comes crashing down. All of it.

The pretentious c~~~s driving $80,000 SUVs and getting paid $90,000 a year salaries to play on their phone all day in a skyscraper, they need to be cut off.

High paid, drug addicted GOVERNMENT elected officials who pass bills to literally secure their own careers… need to be REMOVED. All of them. Start over fresh.

The malingering insane welfare class that burdens everything, they need to be cut off.

The arabs, indians, mexicans and more, that FLOOD in daily (legally or not) and take our jobs, fill our schools with their non-english speaking spawns, send our money overseas and spit on our flag while enjoying the privileges of our nation… need to be cut off with extreme prejudice. ESPECIALLY MUSLIMES need to be rounded up and f~~~ing ICED.

All of it needed to happen years ago. A real wake up call with real body counts. Militias, collateral deaths, starvation, military curfew, air strikes on our own homeland etc… The disease that is Progressive Liberalism needs to be annihilated. CUT OUT THE INFECTION. (the surgery will be bloody but it will also lead to recovery and a healthier union).

LOL. It could all start with the the shutdown…..

[HermitParticipant]

Gravel Pit wrote:

The disease that is Progressive Liberalism needs to be annihilated. CUT OUT THE INFECTION. (the surgery will be bloody but it will also lead to recovery and a healthier union).

It will be ugly and brutal. I would like to be around to see it, but then again……….maybe not…………..

The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.

[JustAnotherGuyParticipant]

I hope never. If the services we aren’t currently funding are ” non_essential,” why were we funding them in the first place?

No, he will not back down. Nor will he divide us. Unifier in Chief.

Cupcakes are Cold. MGTOW is Absolute Zero.
“Let us wait a little; when your enemy is executing a false movement, never interrupt him” –Napoleon Bonaparte, 1805

[narwhalParticipant]

Gravel Pit wrote:

LOL. It could all start with the the shutdown…..

IMO, I don’t want government services shutdown on a permeant basis that quickly. Shutdown yes, but a sudden shift like that, given people no time to adjust will create massive instability and violence. I don’t want people out their stealing and murdering because they have nothing left to lose and they know the system won’t catch them all.

Besides, non-essential service is not the same thing as service the federal government should never be providing. I have no issue with federal parks and such, which is non-essential, but do have issue with the department of education funding, which is probably considered essential.

Ok. Then do it.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

narwhal wrote:

stealing and murdering because they have nothing left to lose and they know the system won’t catch them all.

There is already an illusion of security. We are not secure. You can easily get away with crime.

Remember when NYPD Blue first came out 25 years ago… the first crime television. It escalated into a full on barrage of misc. Crime Mystery television. ALL THAT WAS PROPAGANDA to convince a whole generation of people that they’re being watched and can’t get away with anything. The reality is that you can get away with murdering 100s of people if you wanted to. Any smart person knows this. The reason it doesnt happen much is because two reasons: 1. most of us lack the motive to kill, we just dont need to or want to. 2. We lack the courage to actually do it, not only out of fear of being caught but of fear of actually doing it.

How long must the charade continue Narwhal? I should have already died many times and I have no assets or life worth living for. If I go out in some Yellow Vest militia battle I dont care.

There’s just enough glitter amongst the chicken feed to keep the elites milking their teets… Gotta keep the chirade going as long as we can they must think.

Well to hell with them. I wont cast the first stone, as Im certain Im a fearful coward, but once the levy breaks, expect a total descent into collapse. I dont think we’re going full Postman (like the movie where there’s no infrastructure any more and people ride horseback lol). But I do expect food riots, another great depression, mass graves in some places and a generally unpleasant way of life for at least a decade. Better to get it over with now.

Once we’re finished. Things will be able to truly Progress into the future. Arty Wombs and Sensible Government. We’re meant to go Star Bound. Currently, we’re at a impasse as a species. Something must change or we will stagnate back into the dark ages over and over again…

[HermitParticipant]

Gravel Pit wrote:

The reality is that you can get away with murdering 100s of people if you wanted to. Any smart person knows this. The reason it doesnt happen much is because two reasons: 1. most of us lack the motive to kill, we just dont need to or want to. 2. We lack the courage to actually do it, not only out of fear of being caught but of fear of actually doing it.

3. Laziness – If hunting locally, it takes a lot of work to dispose of the bodies and clean up evidence. If hunting away, it takes a lot of driving and money for travel and living expenses.

The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.

[MonkParticipant 16985]

JB Books wrote:

2. The freeloaders will be screaming to cut a deal on the day their welfare checks don’t show up

They will riot en masse. Every city will burn.

Maybe that’s the idea. Reasons to declare martial law don’t come much better than that.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22521]

narwhal wrote:

Trump’s position is going to get weaker the longer he holds it.

I disagree. President Trump’s position is getting stronger.

As far as President Trump’s supporters are concerned, the government can stay closed. His supporters are getting the chaos they desire. Meanwhile, the democrats are in a bind. They refuse to give anything to President Trump, but the shutdown has put a monkey wrench in their committee witchhunt plans against President Trump and his allies.

That “poll” the media is parroting is by the Washington Post which is not trustworthy.

One can tell who is weak and who is strong by the way they act. Pelosi yesterday attempted to prevent the President from giving his State of the Union speech, Pelosi then planned to skip town today. Well, in response President Trump wrecked Pelosi and her friends travel plans while she and her entourage were on the bus to the airport.

President Trump just showed he was the strong one in the situation.

[Anonymous 1]

Hold the State of the Union in front of the wall at Pelosi’s house.

[Anonymous 1]

SH3LLZ wrote:

One final point is this. The wall WON’T WORK. The Great wall of China didn’t keep the Mongols out. So the stupid wall of Trump won’t keep persistent illegals out either. You can go UNDER, OVER, AROUND AND THROUGH WALLS.

The Great Wall of China was actually very effective at controlling immigration and invaders over its entire life cycle. Did it stop the dedicated Mongol Army from finding a way around? No it didn’t, but they also had a more challenging border with no clear boundaries.

Another example from history. When Viking raiders were attacking European villages what did the leaders do? They built stone walls and castles. Why? because they knew that walls work.

All Great Civilizations build walls to protect themselves. Were they all just stupid? Didn’t the Babylonians know that Walls don’t work? What about the Romans? I guess they were pretty dumb building all those walls to protect their domain.

Yes, we are so much smarter here in the 21st Century. Open borders for our American Empire, but how long can it last?

Here is a more recent example of a Wall. East and West Germany. If Walls didn’t work then all of East Germany would have moved to West Germany. They couldn’t though, because there was a big fat wall in the way. Some of them did find ways to get around it, but it was very difficult. For the vast majority of people this was an impenetrable barrier.

[Anonymous 1]

Five thousand did escape the Berlin Wall over its 20 year life cycle. That’s not many considering the millions that wanted to leave East Germany.

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