Be Careful What you Pray For…

[AutoliteParticipant]

blade wrote:

That was really well put trump . 10 star likes

It makes sense to you that God kills a newborn baby despite the parents prayers to save it? You’re okay with this?

What you’re saying is that religious belief is valid and justified no matter how absurd, profoundly irrational, idiotic, ridiculous, sick or twisted the reasons for that belief are.

Fine. But then Theists shouldn’t bash those who refuse to buy it…

[Can’t Stump TrumpParticipant]

Autolite wrote:

It makes sense to you that God kills a newborn baby despite the parents prayers to save it? You’re okay with this?

Hold on a second there . . . “God kills”? You’re blaming a God you don’t even believe in for killing people? I didn’t see no bolt of lightning strike that child down. Why are you so angry and accusatory towards God and blaming him for everything? Isn’t it possible that we humans are the ones who f~~~ed up this creation and are paying the price for it?

Women are better at multitasking? Fucking up several things at once is not multitasking.

[Can’t Stump TrumpParticipant]

Awakened wrote:

God’s OMNISCIENT, he already KNOWS what’s going to happen. So, Why pray ? Seems like a waste of time to me ???

Excellent question, Awakened. Besides being omniscient, God is also omnipresent, present in all locations and all times. Past, present, and future are SIMULTANEOUS to an eternal being that exists outside of time, and they are all bound together. The future is the product of the present, which was produced from the past. Our prayers in the present may have an effect on the future because to God, both are happening at the same time. THAT’S how he knows everything. Knowledge of the future is not causation: Got just knows exactly what the consequences of our actions will be. We can freely chose our own actions, but we can’t choose what happens as a result of the actions we take. Prayer may bring about better consequences in the future.

Women are better at multitasking? Fucking up several things at once is not multitasking.

[NerdTunnelerParticipant]

Im a Christian and I believe in God…I may not understand His ways but that is just my belief, my faith…I go my own way in that belief and not try to prove or disprove God…In my limited understanding, I will not be able to understand God…Its like trying to visualize a tesseract which is a cube in 4D…

Anyways, those people who did that to their child are idiots…They are behaving like entitled snowflakes and princesses…They shunned the responsibility of being a parent and instead let God do all the work. They blame their failure and irresponsibility on God..Sounds familiar…Just my two cents brothers…

I stand with feet apart and let my balls hang free...Manginas dont have balls...See how they stand and sit at the whim of their masters...

[Can’t Stump TrumpParticipant]

Here’s an interesting story about the Devil’s temptation of Jesus:

Then the devil took him to the holy city, and made him stand on the parapet of the temple, and said to him, “If you are the Son of God, throw yourself down. For it is written: ‘He will command his angels concerning you’ and ‘with their hands they will support you, lest you dash your foot against a stone.’” Jesus answered him, “Again it is written, ‘You shall not put the Lord, your God, to the test.’” (Matthew 4:5-7)

In other words, the Devil tells Jesus to throw himself off the wall because God will surely save him. But God expects you to use the reason and good judgment he gave you at your birth to take care of yourself, not to do something stupid and expect God will magically fix it for you, or to blame him for every bad thing that happens.

Women are better at multitasking? Fucking up several things at once is not multitasking.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22524]

DarkRyu wrote:

Faust For Science wrote:

I suggest looking into the research Ian Stevenson and Jim Tucker on reincarnation. Unlike others they did not do hypnosis. They and their teams went around the world talking to young children about their claims of past lives and researching these claims. There are thousands of cases they did with evidence being found in many of the cases. The research is interesting and leans towards proof of an afterlife and reincarnation.

What are you going to do when you die and find out there is an afterlife? Nobody likes a skeptic.

Reincarnation is the exact OPPOSITE of what the Bible says.

I am going where the evidence leads.

Before Constantine, there were sects of Christians whom did believe in reincarnation.

The church like all religions are corrupt at heart. All about control of the people in every possible. Reincarnation takes the fear from Hell if death is not permanent.

Hindus and Buddhists side step this with the claim of the caste system and people rise up the caste system only if people do what they say.

DarkRyu wrote:

I was raised Christian and although I no longer practice religion, I fully support the religious rights of other people. If parents want to use alternative medicine or leave it up to whatever God they believe in, that’s their choice. In our society kids have no rights until they turn 18.

I am sure you would feel differently if the shoe was on the other foot.

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Autolite wrote:

DarkRyu wrote:

I fully support the religious rights of other people. If parents want to use alternative medicine or leave it up to whatever God they believe in, that’s their choice.

You mean you would support ‘religious rights’ even if it comes with a body count???

Yes. Religious freedom is one of the most important freedoms that our ancestors fought and died for. I won’t begrudge anyone their religion, whether I agree with it or not. There are exceptions of course. If your religion required that you kill someone or sacrifice someone to your god and you do that, then that’s punishable under our laws. I’m not saying that these parents shouldn’t be punished, but they should have the right to do what they see fit with their own child. There’s a big difference between murder and doing nothing, hoping for a good outcome. However if your child dies due to this, you should be punished.

[Anonymous 14]

The end result of intellect awakening from an Irish Catholic childhood-

[SESQUI ano estParticipant 2535]

Faust For Science wrote:

I suggest looking into the research Ian Stevenson and Jim Tucker on reincarnation. Unlike others they did not do hypnosis. They and their teams went around the world talking to young children about their claims of past lives and researching these claims. There are thousands of cases they did with evidence being found in many of the cases. The research is interesting and leans towards proof of an afterlife and reincarnation.

Good one Faust. Wait, that paragraph was a joke right?

Faust For Science wrote:

What are you going to do when you die and find out there is an afterlife? Nobody likes a skeptic.

If no one likes a skeptic then I just figured out why people are against MGTOW….. because there is not a single person on these forums who is not a skeptic. Everyone here is extremely skeptical when it comes to certain things regarding women.

Everyday above ground is a good one. Everyday above ground while single...better still.

[SESQUI ano estParticipant 2535]

GregB0 wrote:

Faith and trust, trust and faith.

This also works for ones fellow man. Trust in him and have faith that he always has your back.

Does this apply to man as a species therefore including women or just to men. I don’t have so much faith in men or women, but some.

Everyday above ground is a good one. Everyday above ground while single...better still.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22524]

SESQUI ano est wrote:

Good one Faust. Wait, that paragraph was a joke right?

Look up their research and their methods.

SESQUI ano est wrote:

If no one likes a skeptic then I just figured out why people are against MGTOW

A skeptic is not a truth-seeker. A truth-seekers looks for the truth. Skeptics look to disprove something. Skeptics are not trying to prove a truth.

MGTOW are truth-seekers.

[SESQUI ano estParticipant 2535]

Awakened wrote:

Also, that OMNISCIENT God thingy kinda blows a couple holes in that “free will” idea, doesn’t it ??

Actually functional MRI will put to rest the idea of Free Will in the near future. We have genetic traits and potentials but are for the most part products of our environment. At least how we react/respond to our environment. You have much less free will than you think. We can change our responses with practice and conditioning. I think it is one of the reasons that cognitive behavioral therapy is pretty much the only therapy that works for many problems.

As to the issue of the couple who did not take their child to the doctor. They were conditioned to believe in something that does not exist or work and therefore missed the opportunity to explore an option known to work.

Everyday above ground is a good one. Everyday above ground while single...better still.

[AutoliteParticipant]

Can’t Stump Trump wrote:

Hold on a second there . . . “God kills”? You’re blaming a God you don’t even believe in for killing people? I didn’t see no bolt of lightning strike that child down.

The assertion that “God killed the kid” underscores the absurdity of the rationale of the parent’s church. It’s the church that claims that the child’s death was the “will of God” even after the devout parents prayed to their God to save the kid. Pretty f~~~in’ ridiculous ain’t it???

[Anonymous 1]

I am not keen on the government making health decisions instead of the individual having the ability to make them for themselves. But when you do make that decision you are responsible for that decision.

[SESQUI ano estParticipant 2535]

Faust For Science wrote:

A skeptic is not a truth-seeker. A truth-seekers looks for the truth. Skeptics look to disprove something. Skeptics are not trying to prove a truth.

MGTOW are truth-seekers.

A big +1 from me for that response. Thank you it was genuinely excellent. Truth is something that matters to me.

It is one of the reasons I am not convinced of reincarnation particularly the abhorrent Buddhist concept of Kharma and reincarnation. Buddhist philosophy and the idea of contemplative introspection are fantastic but fail when they let the religious concepts enter their practice (Gurus/Karma/reincarnation etc).

There is nothing wrong with trying to disprove a hypothesis but many skeptics don’t go about it the right way. And I find nothing wrong with exploring the idea that it might exist. For me the weight of evidence against it or should I say the lack of reliable evidence for it leaves me skeptical. On this one we can agree to disagree and no gets hurt.

I think MGTOW are truth seekers should be quote of the day.

Everyday above ground is a good one. Everyday above ground while single...better still.

[SESQUI ano estParticipant 2535]

Autolite wrote:

The assertion that “God killed the kid” underscores the absurdity of the rationale of the parent’s church. It’s the church that claims that the child’s death was the “will of God” even after the devout parents prayed to their God to save the kid. Pretty f~~~in’ ridiculous ain’t it???

I can’t disagree with that at this point.

Everyday above ground is a good one. Everyday above ground while single...better still.

[AutoliteParticipant]

Faust For Science wrote:

Look up their research and their methods.

But why?

Theists bend over backwards trying to validate and rationalize their beliefs with pseudo logic and ‘research’ yet will fall back on “God is beyond human understanding” or “religion is not suppose to be logical” (quoting PP there) when a simple example obliterates all their so-called ‘logic’.

That’s called “playing both sides of the fence” and (AFAIK) religion is the only issue where such a tactic gets a pass. The “game” (as you call it) is rigged. That’s why I have so little desire in playing. The Atheist’s arguments are all based in fact, truth, logic, rationality and reality. For the Atheist this a profound handicap. The Theist arguments are based on faith, myths, what one would like to believe, irrationality, “cause God is magic” and plain old horses~~~.

For the Atheist, it’s like playing a game of chess with an opponent who’s playing ‘Dungeons & Dragons’. We’re not even playing on the same field… 🙁

[Can’t Stump TrumpParticipant]

Autolite wrote:

It’s the church that claims that the child’s death was the “will of God” even after the devout parents prayed to their God to save the kid.

I willed that Trump drop a bomb on ISIS, but I’m not the one who dropped the bomb. God’s permissive will is the will that permits or allows things to happen, including evil.

“The council of Trent (Sess. VI, can. vi, A.D. 816) defines that evil is in the power of man, and that evil deeds are not to be attributed to God in the same sense as good deeds, but permissive only.” (http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12510a.htm)

Women are better at multitasking? Fucking up several things at once is not multitasking.

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Can’t Stump Trump wrote:

Though I won’t claim to understand why God does what he does, I believe in many cases an early death is more humane and merciful than a life of misery in this f~~~ed up world. However, we don’t have enough knowledge of how a human life will proceed to make that kind of judgment: our job is to take care of ourselves and others as best we can, especially children. If God wants to take them, I trust he has a good reason for it, and that they end up in a better place.

Well said

[Anonymous 14]

Which god are you guys arguing about here? It is never made clear…

Last I checked man has made thousands of gods, yet there is no evidence that a god has ever made a single man.

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