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Eric Lauder 1 year, 10 months ago.
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You could possibly have a chance at some real freedom though. The Tax Collectors simply wouldn’t be able to find you (I’m thinking deep woods in Appalachia or somewhere like that).
It’s a trade off. While it was easier to “hide” from state and Federal governments, it was also easier for a private citizen with more guns than you to take away what you had built.
The record is replete with incidents of sectarian violence small and large over land claims, homesteads, water rights, range rights, mining claims, timber claims, and the like. I’m not just talking about the frontier either.
After the Civil War most of Appalachian peoples were cheated, run off, and just plain dispossessed of their family lands by armed men working for companies with suspect titles to timber and coal.
If a plot of land is worth having, someone else is going to want it too.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
Det450 or whatever, I won’t swallow it.
I don’t like this guy at all.
Tuna or asshole, I had enough of fish and I’m not gay. Soo F~~~ YOU.
To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.
Anonymous1It’s a trade off. While it was easier to “hide” from state and Federal governments, it was also easier for a private citizen with more guns than you to take away what you had built.
The record is replete with incidents of sectarian violence small and large over land claims, homesteads, water rights, range rights, mining claims, timber claims, and the like. I’m not just talking about the frontier either.
After the Civil War most of Appalachian peoples were cheated, run off, and just plain dispossessed of their family lands by armed men working for companies with suspect titles to timber and coal.
If a plot of land is worth having, someone else is going to want it too.
You’re right. This is the truth about American history. I remember reading “Great American Fortunes” it is filled with examples of exactly what you say. Most of our American Aristocracy from the Rockefellers to the Astors were built on swindling the little guys and cheating the public. Now they have an air of respectability, but let us not forget they are “The Robber Barons.”
I disagree, the system back in those days wasn’t stacked against the men like it is now days.
BULLS~~~!
Back in the good old days, when wifey committed a crime, guess who went to prison for it. Guess who was obligate to pay the taxes on any money wifey earned or inherited? Who was sent off to war while wifey got to stay home and hand out white feathers?
F~~~ the “good old days”. They sucked.
Men back then called the shots and the women stayed home bare footed and pregnant and kept their mouths shut. The way is should be!
“Woman bad mojo. Hit on head with club. Drag back to cave by hair.”
It’s been a while since one of these slipped through the filters.
I go by DET45 because one of my favorite handguns is a stainless 45ACP pistol made by the now defunct Detonics Arms Corporation in Seattle Washington. The pistol I have is called the Combat Master 45ACP hence Det45…. No I am not Tuna or a troll (I’m assuming tuna is referencing a female).
Perhaps not, but you write like a junior high school child. Like someone with only a cargo cult level understanding of masculinity. Who does that?
They could do it more easily in 19th Century America though.
These men couldn’t.
Ever read “Walden” by Henry D. Thoreau?
Yes, but I’ve also studied the man himself, and he would have been nothing if others weren’t constantly covering his ass for him.
Thoreau was the 19th century Shia LeBoeuf. Yes, he was against slavery, but any man with an ounce of common sense and basic decency is that.
and not worry about some tax collectors kicking your door in.
Funny you should mention that, because Thoreau went to jail for not paying taxes. And that was a full on f~~~ing poll tax.
Tell me again how easy it was to walk away from taxes back then.
Anonymous1Yes, but I’ve also studied the man himself, and he would have been nothing if others weren’t constantly covering his ass for him.
Yeah, read my response to Old Bill about that. Thoreau was a bad example on my part. He was way too close to the city to do it right and was not competent enough to survive on his own anyways. My point was that you could have escaped the all encompassing reach of Government easier back then than today. You could have had a chance at real freedom. Contrasted with today, I don’t see any possible way of escaping the “All Seeing Eye.” You could be out in the middle of nowhere and show up on a satellite and have your co-ordinates pin pointed. Even going off Grid won’t save you from the never ending Permits, Taxes, and bull s~~~ that will force you to comply.
I am well aware of the horror show that black people lived through in the “good old days.” I still think that Western Civilization had its zenith (intellectually) in the late 19th century though.
Now they have an air of respectability, but let us not forget they are “The Robber Barons.”
Very true. I wonder what later generations will call Jobs, Gates, Zuckerberg, Bezos, Turner, Buffet, Madoff, and the like? And the era they flourished in?
I enjoy your posts very much, Heavicidal, and hope my replies haven’t seemed too pompous or insulting. My long career in technical training and consulting means I occasionally come across as a humorless pedantic p~~~ant. While it’s something of which I try to avoid, I don’t always succeed.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
My point was that you could have escaped the all encompassing reach of Government easier back then than today.
Nah. I have to think it’s actually easier today. You can still mountain man up. Head out beyond the frontier and live the hard life, just like then. The frontier has moved on a bit, but at least today we have things like internal combustion engines and water purification etc.
But I don’t think even that’s necessary any more. It’s possible to ghost society without ever physically leaving it. Right now in the U.K. there are literally millions of missing men who have dropped under the radar. They’re not on the dole. They’re not on the books. They’re not paying taxes. Obviously they’re supporting themselves somehow, but not in any way the government can find or touch. The government there sees this as a huge problem, but I doubt the men themselves do.
Welcome to the cash only economy. All the liberty of walking off into the wilderness, but without needing to wrestle bears.
Anonymous1I enjoy your posts very much, Heavicidal, and hope my replies haven’t seemed too pompous or insulting. My long career in technical training and consulting means I occasionally come across as a humorless pedantic p~~~ant. While it’s something of which I try to avoid, I don’t always succeed.
Well, I was initially put off by your frankness. After reading more of your posts though I have nothing but respect. You are a very intelligent and well read Man. I would be hard pressed to keep up with you. I have read much, but I retain very little of it. The only thing I tend to remember is a very broad big picture. I appreciate your taking the time to correct me on these matters. I respect your opinion very much and there are few people I can say that about.
Anonymous3It is shocking for most men to find out that in every culture and every time, women have always had more privileged lives than them. This is indeed the best, most comfortable time period for men as a whole. Our living standard is the highest it’s ever been, and if you go MGTOW you have freedom, that’s really it.
As shocking as it is for men to comprehend, even Muslim men have it worse than Muslim women. The media narrative is otherwise, but that’s the reality. If Islam ever did conquer the West, ultimately we men would trade out any current problems for new ones which just might be worse. I’m not fundamentally opposed to Islam vs. Western current policies, but the devil I know is preferable to me at this point than the one I don’t. At least I grew up with this devil.
Anonymous5Det450 or whatever, I won’t swallow it.
I don’t like this guy at all.
Tuna or asshole, I had enough of fish and I’m not gay. Soo F~~~ YOU.
Dude, you don’t even know the guy, and yet, you don’t like him?!
Do you think he gives a single f~~~?!
Just because your ideologies doesn’t sync with his, doesn’t mean he’s an asshole.
He’s going his own way, let him be for f~~~’s sake.
Anonymous1Welcome to the cash only economy. All the liberty of walking off into the wilderness, but without needing to wrestle bears.
I’m not so sure. All the free spirited men I knew are in jail now. You might get away with it for a time, but there are so many ways they can get you now.
Anonymous12Ok I get it, some of my posts were posted for humor and fun. With that said I see you all are more of a serious bunch and have a genuine concern for MGTOW issues. I will adjust my posts. I apologize if I have offended anyone……det45
“i was just joking”
every female´s excuse ever.
Punching women in the mouth does NOT fly here.
Punching women in the mouth gets you incarcerated and when you get out you live like a Bum.
If that is how you feel, if that is the only way you can handle disagreement or nagging, just get a divorce or kick her to the curb.
How can you ever grow, grow up as a man, grow beyond petty rage, learn to stay calm and collected with such a viewpoint?There has never been a “going back”
What has been seen can not be unseen.We try to grow up, grow out of women, grow out of the system, and move the f~~~ away from all that mouthpunching S~~~.
Respect and fear a woman.
One 911 call can end your life.Best advice: get a divorce.
Anonymous3Det450 or whatever, I won’t swallow it.
I don’t like this guy at all.
Tuna or asshole, I had enough of fish and I’m not gay. Soo F~~~ YOU.
Dude, you don’t even know the guy, and yet, you don’t like him?!
Do you think he gives a single f~~~?!
Just because your ideologies doesn’t sync with his, doesn’t mean he’s an asshole.
He’s going his own way, let him be for f~~~’s sake.
The person you’re defending is most likely a tuna, and has been advocating punching women in the mouth. You sure you wanted to go that route?
Well, I was initially put off by your frankness.
Thank you for your frankness too.
… taking the time to correct me…
That’s my problem. While I “correct” people for a living, I should leave that mindset at work where it belongs.
You can help and inform people without lecturing them. Too often I forget that and cross the line.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
Anonymous1This is indeed the best, most comfortable time period for men as a whole. Our living standard is the highest it’s ever been, and if you go MGTOW you have freedom, that’s really it.
Perhaps it is the most comfortable. Our living standard is high no doubt, but it is kept high by insurmountable debts. Having these debts means that we are not really free. Its hard to believe because we have so many choices and entertainment today. Lots of privileges no doubt, but the quality seems to have gone down. Looking at things made 50 years ago. I have to say they were built well, built to last. Nowadays, the emphasis is on cheapness and disposability. Don’t bother fixing your car or electronics, just throw it away and get a new one. Years ago I was walking around the Henry Ford Museum. I saw the incredible quality and workmanship of our fore fathers, I do not think it can be rivaled today. Our Education system seems to be much worse than our fore fathers too. We are enjoying the fruits of their labors for the time being. Socialism has killed the goose the lays the golden egg. Once it is gone, who now has the skill and education to bring it back? The golden age of inventors is over, and I for one, am sorry to see it go.
Anonymous1You can help and inform people without lecturing them. Too often I forget that and cross the line.
Yes, but one of the things I learned from you is that sometimes the line needs to be crossed. A hard truth is sometimes what some one needs to hear. I’m a millennial so I’m a bit of a pussy when it comes to that.
Right now in the U.K. there are literally millions of missing men who have dropped under the radar. They’re not on the dole. They’re not on the books. They’re not paying taxes. Obviously they’re supporting themselves somehow, but not in any way the government can find or touch. The government there sees this as a huge problem, but I doubt the men themselves do.
I find that phenomenon fascinating and it’s not limited to the UK either.
Despite all the power, records, computers, bureaucrats, and investigators available to governments, more and more men in the West have become ghosts. What’s that famous line? The tighter you squeeze, the more that slips through your fingers?
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
A hard truth is sometimes what some one needs to hear.
I’m a firm adherent to the Fast School of Band-Aid Removal: If it needs to be done, do it now, do it quick, and get it over with.
Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.
I would take my chances in going back to the 17th and 18th century. That would appeal to me very much actually.
I would need to take my knowledge with me, so I wouldn’t end up illiterate cannon fodder in any of the wars though, or just be a beast of burden.
Not because I want to punch women in the mouth and get away with it (ridiculous level trolling), be to escape the invasive technology and just mundane lifestyle of today.Whatever the risk was of dying from stepping on a rusty nail, I doubt it was higher than dying in a vehicle accident, or from a lifestyle disease like Heart disease, diabetes, stroke, cancer etc., all of which are MUCH more prevalent today.
I have enjoyed many biographies of men from the 1700’s -1900 and many enjoyed very long and amazingly full lives. Granted they were generally wealthy and thus had much lower risks and a more favorable mortality rate than the man who had to do the dangerous work in the steel mills or lumberyards, slaughterhouses, but just the ability to go MGTOW and seriously be left alone would make it all worth while for me.
But yes, if you had to take your luck at just being born into that era, Old Bill is right, chances are your life will just be a struggle from cradle to grave.
But just like every man thinks he will be the hero if he goes off to war, and not the coward who can’t get out of the foxhole and fight. I am sure we all dream we will be the landowner or adventurer and enjoy the best of opportunities that the time period had to offer, and not the uneducated man trapped in poverty and living a hellish existence where only by risking his life and breaking his body can he even survive day to day..
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