Are MGHOW in between alpha and beta status?

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Being called tuna and watching the reaction is part of the initiation ceremony. Real tuna then exposes itself. Men react differently and that’s why we can separate the fish from the men so effectively…

So welcome, Tiger…

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[Silent RoarParticipant 77]

Gargamel wrote:

Being called tuna and watching the reaction is part of the initiation ceremony. Real tuna then exposes itself. Men react differently and that’s why we can separate the fish from the men so effectively…

So welcome, Tiger…

^_^ Just before I read this, I wanna to say, “F~~~ ya’ll ’cause I wanna to hugs ya’ll”

Keep the ball rolling brothers.

I'm a deaf tiger, hear me roar!

[experiencedParticipant]

Mgtow’s don’t give two, not one but two, tin s~~~s about alpha vs. beta.

If you’re legit, welcome to this site, if you’re tuna, in Socrates’s style, “Go f~~~ yourself ? “

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[Silent RoarParticipant 77]

experienced wrote:

If you’re legit, welcome to this site, if you’re tuna, in Socrates’s style, “Go f~~~ yourself ? “

Ha, you got me. I dont know so much about him but I really like his style.

I'm a deaf tiger, hear me roar!

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Gargamel wrote:

Yes, these words or terms were coined by the feminists and the gold diggers to differentiate between 2 types of men and as justification for women’s bad choices when it comes to partner selection.

Not coined by feminists. They did not come up with alpha or beta. They co-opted the terminology used to describe canine social behavior and misapplied it to humans, where it doesn’t make any sense to use it at all.

It’s basically feminists missing the point and doing it wrong. Like always.

Besides, the labels that women try to apply to men, “romantic” or “handsome” or “creep” or “bad boy” or “beta” or “alpha” have nothing whatsoever to do with the men themselves.

The exact same traits can be interpreted as “creepy” or “romantic” by the same woman. The only difference is in her.

These labels are nothing more than women subjectively trying to project their own selfish solipsism on the world. They have nothing whatsoever to do with objective reality. They are meaningless.

[Silent RoarParticipant 77]

sidecar wrote:

Gargamel wrote:

Yes, these words or terms were coined by the feminists and the gold diggers to differentiate between 2 types of men and as justification for women’s bad choices when it comes to partner selection.

Not coined by feminists. They did not come up with alpha or beta. They co-opted the terminology used to describe canine social behavior and misapplied it to humans, where it doesn’t make any sense to use it at all.

It’s basically feminists missing the point and doing it wrong. Like always.

Besides, the labels that women try to apply to men, “romantic” or “handsome” or “creep” or “bad boy” or “beta” or “alpha” have nothing whatsoever to do with the men theselves.

Didn’t PUA invent those terms to throw us into confusions?

I'm a deaf tiger, hear me roar!

[JollyMisanthropeParticipant 3356]

So many fake alphas out there that the term has become almost meaningless.

The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.

[SuggestiusParticipant 3312]

I’m confused by your complaints and you are too stubborn for a newcomer. You keep posting the same questions even you see people call you a tuna.
Well, you asked for it. Bring my tambourine! I will be dancing.
Aiyaa ayyaahoouu Ayiaahaaooouu. Keymaster, come! Judge!

Happiness for all and let no one be forgotten ("Roadside picnic", Arkady and Boris Strugatsky)

[TaoTheMgtowWandererParticipant 263]

I ran out of dams, s~~~s and f~~~s to give about “status,” or any other kind of female validation when my parents divorced each-other and dragged me through the nightmare horror-show that is “divorce court.”

I stopped giving a f~~~ a long time ago.

My peace of mind is worth more then your vagina...cunt.

[Silent RoarParticipant 77]

Suggestius seriously, as an obversor for around a year I gonna to say do you really enjoy running around here like Peter Pan holding his diaper up his ass with bullS~~~ in it?

I'm a deaf tiger, hear me roar!

[SuggestiusParticipant 3312]

Iuppiter iratus ergo nefas!
It’s coming! It’s coming! I see something crawling under your skin. F~~~ it! Abominable werefish, let your fins out!

Happiness for all and let no one be forgotten ("Roadside picnic", Arkady and Boris Strugatsky)

[Silent RoarParticipant 77]

….wow. You teached me something that I have listen to my gut, you’re act like a kid and that’s pretty embarrassing.

I'm a deaf tiger, hear me roar!

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Silent Roar wrote:

Didn’t PUA invent those terms to throw us into confusions?

Nope.

They’re not really confusing. They’re just wrong.

They were first used to describe the social behavior of wolves and other canids, though I think they’ve also been used to describe meerkats and other social creatures where there is a single breeding pair in a group.

They were laughably misused a few decades ago in some astoundingly bad reductionist feminist sociology studies (Is there any other kind of feminist study?) that completely failed to grasp that human behavior is vastly more complex than canine behavior and cannot be described in a simple alpha – beta – gamma linear progression.

At some point the PUA’s picked up the terms (See what I did there?) and ran with them, thereby demonstrating that they also fail at science. I don’t know if they learned the terms from their own miscomprehension of the original canid research or got them second hand from bad feminist pseudoscience. I would not be at all surprised if it is actually the latter given the way the entire PUA culture orbits female imperatives.

[Silent RoarParticipant 77]

sidecar wrote:

Silent Roar wrote:

Didn’t PUA invent those terms to throw us into confusions?

Nope.

They’re not really confusing. They’re just wrong.

They were first used to describe the social behavior of wolves and other canids, though I think they’ve also been used to describe meerkats and other social creatures where there is a single breeding pair in a group.

They were laughably misused a few decades ago in some astoundingly bad reductionist feminist sociology studies (Is there any other kind of feminist study?) that completely failed to grasp that human behavior is vastly more complex than canine behavior and cannot be described in a simple alpha – beta – gamma linear progression.

At some point the PUA’s picked up the terms (See what I did there?) and ran with them, thereby demonstrating that they also fail at science. I don’t know if they learned the terms from their own miscomprehension of the original canid research or got them second hand from bad feminist pseudoscience. I would not be at all surprised if it is actually the latter given the way the entire PUA culture orbits female imperatives.

Ah that’s one of those things I’m searching for to quench my insatiable thirsty of deeper knowledge, I’m aware of wolves’ behaviors. If you don’t mind telling me, is there a book that you would recommend me to read? Right now I’m interesting in how our species change from pre-agriculture era to where we are at right now. You get what I’m getting at?

I'm a deaf tiger, hear me roar!

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

sidecar wrote:

They were laughably misused a few decades ago in some astoundingly bad reductionist feminist sociology studies (Is there any other kind of feminist study?) that completely failed to grasp that human behavior is vastly more complex than canine behavior and cannot be described in a simple alpha – beta – gamma linear progression.

So this is where my “half-knowledge” came from. I always knew in the back of my mind that these were terms from the behavioral science, studying animals. But yes, it was feminst bulls~~~ that “imported” these terms into describing human behavior. I just read that part somewhere and I still laugh about it.

JollyMisanthrope wrote:

So many fake alphas out there that the term has become almost meaningless.

And that is why I laugh. The fake alphas are the men that drive around in expensive cars bought on debt – and hardly able to support them – just to impress women. After their credit bubble bursts, the car is repossessed and the girlfriend is gone the next day…

But they get laid that way. Women fall for fake “Alphas”. LOL.

The real Alpha-animals walk around in ragged clothes just to AVOID women gold diggers. And they come home to mortgage free houses…

The reality is: Women don’t even want “real alphas” because they can’t control these men. A real alpha will kick a woman to the curb that wants to force him to do things that would be detrimental to him. Real alphas take charge, control damages, manage losses and this way, they are leaders.

But now, women are trained to interfere and so the real alpha male stays MGTOW by design – if he wants it or not.

His alphaness will not allow the destructive interference by a woman and so women will leave him. No matter how much money he has, they want control over him and if they don’t get it, they just say that “your money doesn’t mean anything to her” – yes, because they can’t have it. If you don’t give them your credit cards, they walk out faster than you think.

It’s not love or sexual attraction.

Women want “alphas” that are alphas in every way but not when it comes to women.

And this is where they mess up. Men that are strong leaders in the world and then on the other hand let themselves get kicked around at home are becoming rarer every day.

And we are part of the “deprogramming process”.

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Silent Roar wrote:

Ah that’s one of those things I’m searching for to quench my insatiable thirsty of deeper knowledge, I’m aware of wolves’ behaviors. If you don’t mind telling me, is there a book that you would recommend me to read?

Never Cry Wolf by Mowat. That’s an excellent starting point, though it’s a little dated and preachy.

Right now I’m interesting in how our species change from pre-agriculture era to where we are at right now.

Short answer: We haven’t.

Long answer: We haven’t. Our more derived behaviors have changed with changing technologies they are a response to, be it flint knives or smart phones, but we, in ourselves, our fundamental behaviors, have not. There simply hasn’t been enough time.

[Anonymous 5]

There hasn’t been enough time since the dawn of agriculture to noticebly change human nature.
We know from cuniform script (the first form of writing) that female nature was just as toxic then as it is now.
The story of Gilgamesh is the earliest known story and it describes a sociopathically cruel woman, Ishtar who exploits men as either disposable fighters (lions) or slaves to the plough (cattle).
She has no mercy towards men and exploits them with “love” as a control weapon.

I think I know what you’re looking for and my latest read “The Woman Racket” by Steve Moxon would come closest to your interests.
Unfortunately it’s not available as a PDF anywhere online.

The intro on Amazon gives a good idea on the author and the book
“”His first book, The Great Immigration Scandal (2004), blew the whistle on abuses within the Home Office and led to the resignation of the immigration minister, Beverley Hughes. Although attacked at the time by the government and the ‘liberal’ media for alarmism, Moxon’s analysis has now been adopted by most of the major political parties. Indeed his views on the dangers of multiculturalism were even echoed by the Chairman of the Commission for Racial Equality, leading the Evening Standard to claim ‘Moxon appears not so much a racist as a visionary’. But immigration was never his primary interest, in fact he joined the Home Office in order to study its HR policy, as part of a decade-long investigation of men–women. This book is the result. Notwithstanding its provocative title, The Woman Racket is a serious scientific investigation into one of the key myths of our age – that women are oppressed,,,”

I like the phrase in the preface of the book itself,,,that “Both men and women are made of the same goo”
It’s not really specifically what you’re looking for.

If you’re familiar with the work of Richard Dawkins on evolutionary behavioural genetics you’ll be able to use the same logic to understand women’s sociopathic attitude towards men.
All their c~~~ery makes perfect sense in a hunter/gatherer setting but it’s utterly toxic to men in a state controlled society where Dunbar’s constant is a distant memory.

[SolidParticipant 7520]

Gargamel wrote:

Yes, right. On one hand women want “men that lead” but on the other hand, “they don’t owe us s~~~” and MGTOW is the only way out of this dilemma.

Women and their need to want things that contradict… Women are a walking contradiction.

About your question @silent-roar, MGTOW don’t care, MGTOW doesn’t give a s~~~ about it. MGTOW is about “f~~~ this s~~~, I’m going my own way”, you can spell the whole greek alphabet, put numbers if you want, if MGTOW would be defined by letters, it would be two letters N and O, because being a MGTOW is basically say [strong]NO[/strong] to society bulls~~~, expectations and for narcissistic psycho c~~~s.

[Silent RoarParticipant 77]

Oh my god I think we’re made in the ninth ring of heaven Gargamel!…

…just kidding. You’re talking exactly about my point. I’m pretty sure ya’ll already can see I don’t like to make a big fuss out of the fact that I’m not great at make myself clear enough but I want to say something, I’ve been always skeptical about “The Upper Ones”. As far as I can remember, I went from pretty smoothly at it without any textbook tell me how to do it naturally as a child to working on see through their bs as an adult and I’m telling you, I was pretty savage back then. Nowadays I’m having my complex situations that I just cannot afford to allow anyone or anything interject with my life *kough*obamanyone?*kough*. From the way I see things future-wise, I’m certain I’ll get my last laugh and want to inspire others in hope of save themselves from destroy the society as it is.

I'm a deaf tiger, hear me roar!

[experiencedParticipant]

In “Samson and Delilah” Samson screwed up, when.he.answered.Delilah’s.question.

He didn’t answer it initially.

He knew better.

He allowed her to wear him down!

http://christianity.about.com/od/biblestorysummaries/p/samsondelilah.htm

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

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