Are MGHOW in between alpha and beta status?

[Silent RoarParticipant 77]

I’m fantasized about paradoxes, needless to say, women would do anything to go out and f~~~ any thugs outside of their marriage. As far as I know it only works if chads don’t give a damn about them and here we are, perceived as “good guys” before our time and still we don’t give a damn about them anymore either, it sounds to me like we’re somewhere in between rock and hard place. I can’t imagine myself being in a relationship that if I want to keep her around, I have to be a dick to her and… never know when she’ll reach her tipped point and get me in a deep s~~~. I gave up on being a kind guy to everyone and became selfish for my own good for some personal reasons, it does work out well for me under the radar but still it don’t make any sense to me. It’s so befuddled to me that I ended up mentally asking “What’s in it for me?”. If you need me to elaborate something I’ll do it.

BTW I’m aware there is no such things as beta and alpha, I’m using both term loosely.

I'm a deaf tiger, hear me roar!

[SuggestiusParticipant 3312]

Tun tu na tun tun tu na tun tun naaa tuuunaaa.

Silent Roar wrote:

BTW I’m aware there is no such things as beta and alpha

Biologists wouldnt agree with you.

Happiness for all and let no one be forgotten ("Roadside picnic", Arkady and Boris Strugatsky)

[MgtowWaveParticipant 4352]

Who gives a f~~~?

Any one that does is contributing to the problems.

Zeta.
MGTOW

frankly my dear i don't give a damn

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

“Alphas” still care for women…

“Betas” still care for women…

MGTOW ignore women. We are at NO status and not “in between” anything or any expression women use to define and categorize the exploitablity of us men.

Women exploit “Alphas” for sex and money and “Betas” as fools that pay for their s~~~ while they cheat with “Alphas” or the aggressive losers they perceive as “Alphas”

MGTOW are neither. Non exploitable, at least after digesting the red pill.

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[Silent RoarParticipant 77]

Please , don’t. I’m in the philosophical stance.

I'm a deaf tiger, hear me roar!

[bigboy83Participant 11312]

Alpha male is overrated.

Betas will instinct themselves.

Mgtow is indifferent.

Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Silent Roar wrote:

BTW I’m aware there is no such things as beta and alpha, I’m using both term loosely.

Why use them at all?

Part of Going Your Own Way is understanding that there’s no such thing as an alpha or a beta Man, because Men are not dogs.

The terms are irrelevant to humans and especially irrelevant to Men Going Their Own Way because Men Going Their Own Way are nobody’s bitch.

[Elric GreenstoneParticipant 1637]

Gargamel wrote:

MGTOW ignore women. We are at NO status and not “in between” anything or any expression women use to define and categorize the exploitablity of us men.

Gargamel, as always, sums it up excellently. We’re not pursuing women, so there’s not really a status to assign to us. Alpha, beta, omega – these all refer to a role in chasing tail. If you don’t chase tail, you aren’t part of this rubric.

Sort of like if you ask if someone is a motorcycle mechanic, a truck (diesel) mechanic, or an auto mechanic. Some people aren’t mechanics. You’re only a mechanic if that’s what you do.

Am I Protestant, Catholic, or Orthodox? Since I’m not Christian, I’m none of the above.

For what it’s worth, I don’t think OP is tuna, btw. But am not vouching for him, either.

I have in my own life taken alpha, beta, and omega roles, and they didn’t usually have much to do with earnings or education or even being in shape (though that does help). At one point in my life, I was reasonably alpha. Zero s~~~s given, devil-may-care cheerfully cuckolded (well, cuckbfolded) other guys, wildly irresponsible. Later, myriad degrees later, I was wildly responsible and seemed to fall into a ‘sucker’ role with women. There have been times when my life was so f~~~ed up that I had zero smv. I see these as roles or perhaps more accurately behaviors than any kind of weird genetic whatever. I know (well, they seem to me, at least) remarkably in-shape guys who can’t get any womnen; I know sleazebag creeps who get tons. No clue, honestly, what the difference is, although women tend to love men who treat them like s~~~.

"You can either love women, or understand women. You can't do both. Because once you understand women, you realize that there is really nothing to love."

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Silent Roar wrote:

I can’t imagine myself being in a relationship that if I want to keep her around, I have to be a dick to her and… never know when she’ll reach her tipped point and get me in a deep s~~~.

Yes, right. On one hand women want “men that lead” but on the other hand, “they don’t owe us s~~~” and MGTOW is the only way out of this dilemma.

The immigrants will take care of their need to be dominated. We can’t do it, even if we wanted to, our hands are tied by the jurisdictional system that is biased against us.

So, the Sharia will give Western women what they want.

And anyway, who cares. Just don’t become a white knight. Women enjoy being treated like s~~~ and so you never spoil their secret pleasure by protecting them. Because you end up in jail while she has “reunion sex” with her abuser. Been there done that. I grew up in an abusive family with c~~~s getting off on provoking my father until he snapped.

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[Anonymous 42]

MgtowWave wrote:

Who gives a f~~~?

Not me…

[SuggestiusParticipant 3312]

Gargamel wrote:

So, the Sharia will give Western women what they want.

IMHO, you nailed it.

Happiness for all and let no one be forgotten ("Roadside picnic", Arkady and Boris Strugatsky)

[Pedal, run, rowParticipant]

I think if nothing else the alpha/beta terms are at least convenient tools to represent very real perceptions women have of men.
SO I don’t have a problem with their usage to save someone from having to write a dissertation to define various men while trying to make a point or come to an understanding.

In my experience the “just treat them like s~~~” is not accurate. I have seen betas (or men with low perceived SMV to a woman) have that tactic backfire disastrously. What they tolerate or like from Alphas (or perceived high SMV males) is totally different than what they will like or even tolerate from a beta.

So to attempt an answer to OP: I think to women MGTOW’s are betas trying to display Alpha traits. And I do think there is a certain amount of alphaness in having the courage to go your own way, and not cave to societal pressure/shaming.

[Silent RoarParticipant 77]

Elric Greenstone wrote:

Gargamel wrote:

MGTOW ignore women. We are at NO status and not “in between” anything or any expression women use to define and categorize the exploitablity of us men.

For what it’s worth, I don’t think OP is tuna, btw.

Thank you. I’m seriously shocked right now.

I'm a deaf tiger, hear me roar!

[AwakenedParticipant 35202]

Pedal, run, row wrote:

I think to women MGTOW’s are betas trying to display Alpha traits. And I do think there is a certain amount of alphaness in having the courage to go your own way, and not cave to societal pressure/shaming.

Who cares what WOMEN think in their lil hamster wheels about MGTOW’s ? Really, No F~~~s Given for their twisted illogical thoughts or trying to understand them.

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

sidecar wrote:

Part of Going Your Own Way is understanding that there’s no such thing as an alpha or a beta Man, because Men are not dogs.

Yes, these words or terms were coined by the feminists and the gold diggers to differentiate between 2 types of men and as justification for women’s bad choices when it comes to partner selection.
Everything is blamed on science and evolution but that seems to apply only to women.
All of their bad decision making and female entitlement is explained by “evolution” and how the cavemen handled it 10000 years ago.

But:

We men are expected to adapt to world changes and never cling to the past. We men have to step forward and not stay in the ways of thinking the cavemen once had.

Today, the “Alphas” are the ones that run businesses and shape society. And women didn’t “get that”, their inner caveman is still programmed to fall for the aggressive and unpleasant type of man that nowadays most likely gets promoted to welfare king status.

That is the dilemma. Women did not adapt to modern days. They look for the wrong guys, enjoy being with them, never learning or studying anything and then they see that “the wrong men” are the ones with the big houses and nice cars.

MGTOW is evolution. We are the ones not playing the caveman game anymore. Between us and the caveman is such a gap now that nothing can bridge it. And women prefer cavemen. So we also become distant to women. At least that was my experience in life. As I developed, all women and their lives became more and more distant until it became totally unimaginable to even think about living with one of them or even changing my life to “make it fit”. It became totally out of the question. And there was no more woman around that would have been compatible with me. To me, being with a normal chick was like babysitting, paying and doing s~~~ for her. Just a burden, to get rid of as soon as possible.

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[Heave-Ho MgtowParticipant 1797]

It does smell fishy here, or a school of red pill rage.
MGTOW are neither alpha or beta, they just are. Read up and find out what your view of going your own way means to you

I have no f~~~s to give if someone’s alpha or beta, they are both in the same game, chasing stink. I’m a spectator

skip the cavernous vag and go your own way

[Anonymous 3]

Pedal, run, row wrote:

I think to women MGTOW’s are betas trying to display Alpha traits. And I do think there is a certain amount of alphaness in having the courage to go your own way, and not cave to societal pressure/shaming.

This is a large philosophical discussion about what the parasite thinks about the host. Is the host men enough to please the parasite? Is the host a leader of other hosts? Or is the host only a week provider of resources?

Yes. It is very important to know how the parasite classifies the host.

Unless you dont want a parasite sucking your blood. Then you get rid of parasites and you could not care less about how the parasite sees you.

[Silent RoarParticipant 77]

Gargamel wrote:

sidecar wrote:

Part of Going Your Own Way is understanding that there’s no such thing as an alpha or a beta Man, because Men are not dogs.

Yes, these words or terms were coined by the feminists and the gold diggers to differentiate between 2 types of men and as justification for women’s bad choices when it comes to partner selection.
Everything is blamed on science and evolution but that seems to apply only to women.
All of their bad decision making and female entitlement is explained by “evolution” and how the cavemen handled it 10000 years ago.

But:

We men are expected to adapt to world changes and never cling to the past. We men have to step forward and not stay in the ways of thinking the cavemen once had.

Today, the “Alphas” are the ones that run businesses and shape society. And women didn’t “get that”, their inner caveman is still programmed to fall for the aggressive and unpleasant type of man that nowadays most likely gets promoted to welfare king status.

That is the dilemma. Women did not adapt to modern days. They look for the wrong guys, enjoy being with them, never learning or studying anything and then they see that “the wrong men” are the ones with the big houses and nice cars.

MGTOW is evolution. We are the ones not playing the caveman game anymore. Between us and the caveman is such a gap now that nothing can bridge it. And women prefer cavemen. So we also become distant to women. At least that was my experience in life. As I developed, all women and their lives became more and more distant until it became totally unimaginable to even think about living with one of them or even changing my life to “make it fit”. It became totally out of the question. And there was no more woman around that would have been compatible with me. To me, being with a normal chick was like babysitting, paying and doing s~~~ for her. Just a burden, to get rid of as soon as possible.

Now I got my answer. Really dudes, is that hard? I’m trying to figure things my way out of troubles.

I'm a deaf tiger, hear me roar!

[Pedal, run, rowParticipant]

Oh for god’s sakes. I just spent a few moments to try to answer the OP’s question. I never stated that we should spend our ever waking moment trying to figure out how women view men. I don’t see any difference between discussing this and discussing briffault’s law or hypergamy.

[Anonymous 5]

Alpha – omega – feta , bobba fett? Dude f~~~ everyone else and read bobba fett comics. That’s what I did last week it saved me 500$ -why? Self control is a powerful weapon once you know it’s yours to have. It’s strange when no is a option it’s strange when you don’t play. Mgtow what on earth made you and the brothers so awsome?

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