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Atheism is a philosophy
Bulls~~~, its a lack of belief in god/s
Marxism and Evolution were two philosophical responses to the rejection of Christianity
Bulls~~~, one is an economic theory and one is a scientific theory to explain the origin and distribution of species.
Nietzsche, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot all lived their lives according to their atheistic beliefs.
Bulls~~~, atheism is lack of belief in god/s not a belief in superman.
One simple question: Where are the six million innocent Jews who were exterminated under Hitler? How you answer that will determine the basis for your moral philosophy.
According to you they are in hell burning for infinity because they rejected Jesus.
According to me the best answer I got us they no longer exist. Hope for humanity sake you are wrong.
If there is no God,
If there is one please provide evidence for it.
With God, Christ, there is truth, mystery, wonder, awe and eternal life.
No there is fear of infinite torture and blind obedience. There is no evidence of an afterlife.
With Atheism, there is despair, hopelessness and meaninglessness. And justified ruthlessness and horror.
Non sequitur, none of those follow logically from a lack of belief in god/s.
Do you have any evidence thus god thing exists?
Solzhenitsyn lived under horrible evil for decades. One cannot come away from this book an atheist.
Read the bible, one can not come away from it and think there is a loving god.
Since the average human being today has access to ancient documents, we can KNOW that they ALL believed in gods and the afterlife.
You do not know what ALL people believed throughout history.
That is a lie.
You use the word “logic” a lot, yet the way you expectorate on this thread and many similar threads before it proves you haven’t the first clue about what logic actually is. Do you even know what a syllogism is?
The sheer volume of logical fallacies you use would take up a whole new chapter in a book about logical fallacies. I can’t keep up, and I studied logic with philosophy at postgraduate level.
You Sir, are a f~~~ing window licker. You insult, degrade, boast, and whine like the worst kind of woman. You s~~~ on people here regularly, then use weasel words to accuse them of the very thing that you do. You argue in bad faith (look it up before you cover your keyboard AGAIN in spittle thinking it has something to do with God).
You think you’re smarter than everyone else here, but you have the intellect of an insect. Now f~~~ off.
Asserting someone has made a fallacy without demonstrating what the fallacy is actually constitutes a fallacy.
You fail badly.
Munch on that logic.
Seriously, if your existence mattered more to me than two shakes of a dead dog’s c~~~ I would. But experience of insufferable c~~~s like you means I have better things to do. Right now I’m going for my morning s~~~, that will produce more logic in it than you will in three lifetimes. Good day.
This is so interesting. Why do ya’ll get some emotional and argumentative on these subjects?
Like the original thread was supposed to be on books people would recommend on morality, which I guess also includes philosophy. And it’s turned into this back and forth deal about religion and atheism, which really had nothing to do with the original thread.
But what I find more interesting, is that this thread blew up based on religion. Why are people so hung up on this??? Like, I have my religious views, I don’t think there is a name or category for it, but I have my religious views. But if someone comes to me and tells me their a mainstream christian, or a jew or a hindu, I really don’t care. Like, it doesn’t affect me. Also, I don’t feel the need to like tell them my perspective on everything, unless they ask, even then I’m reluctant because usually when people ask, I find out they weren’t even interested in my perspective, they just wanted a foot in the door to tell me about theirs. And yeah, usually I’ll listen and nod my head, “yeah cool, that’s great. Glad you found something that works for you..” But that’s really all there is to it.
Why do people care sooooo much about their religious views. And to be honest here, Aethiest are probably the worse at this, that I’ve met in person, they just can not let it go and just go on and on and on. Which makes even less sense, like if an aetheist doesn’t believe in an afterlife, and what someone believes makes noooo difference what so ever to the outcome of their life, why do they care soooo much?
Like I’m pretty religious neutral, Like I got my views, it’s whatever though. Like in the grand scheme of things, I don’t see someone’s life being in jeapordy over what they believe, so I’m not even like “that”, yet these aethiest I’ve met, even dated on for a few months, g’ golly, they just can not shut up. Just on and on and on….
Truth has no place to live in the mind of a woman.
You corrected on your wrong view of what the word atheism entails.
If you are honest and gave a s~~~ about the truth you will find the only ones getting emotional and kinda pathetic are the theists here.
Why not give the guy a clue about a book on morals genius? After all that was what the thread was about before you and that other philosophical giant autolite took a massive s~~~ on it.
Got a clue? Or are you all just p~~~ and vinegar? Go on, recommend for us a book you have read on morals, expound on it.
Why not give the guy a clue about a book on morals genius?
Well I’ve never read it but if cherry picking is allowed (as is being done by the Christians) it seems that ‘Mein Kampf’ would be right up there with the Bible…
https://www.thoughtco.com/adolf-hitler-on-tradition-hitler-quotes-248192
Here is a book about feeding the hungry, sharing wealth, free healthcare etc just like Jesus preached;
But if someone comes to me and tells me their a mainstream christian, or a jew or a hindu, I really don’t care. Like, it doesn’t affect me. Also, I don’t feel the need to like tell them my perspective on everything, unless they ask, even then I’m reluctant because usually when people ask, I find out they weren’t even interested in my perspective, they just wanted a foot in the door to tell me about theirs.
Yes you abide by “live and let live”
You don’t FORCE your views on others
Yet many in this thread do. They say “can people of X philosophy tell me how they can believe in such obvious bulls~~~”?
That is FORCING your views on others. No discussion of “why do you think X?” Or “what do you think of Y?” Instead its “you need to change how you think or I will punish you here” Total contradiction to Ayn Rand objectivism (who was atheist) that in my opinion is core morality of MGTOW
Didn’t we all go MGTOW because we were sick and tired of others FORCING their views on us about how to think, what to do, etc? A MGTOW forum is last place I’d expect this
No discussion of “why do you think X?” Or “what do you think of Y?” Instead its “you need to change how you think or I will punish you here”
Which thread have you been reading because none of that happened here.
Oh wait one clown said;
“enjoy your death, that is when you’ll have your soul crushing moment”
Which thread have you been reading because none of that happened here.
You actually confessed you are forcing others to change their views even explained why:
Why do I care? Because theists (not deists) impact on the every day happenings of how people live their lives. don’t try make laws etc that impact me also stop leaching my tax dollars to fund your bulls~~~.
And then of course there’s the other countless examples of using personal insults, intimidation, shaming tactics, etc of posters attempting to force their views on others:
I VERY SERIOUSLY want to try and understand how so many people can believe in something that is so obviously man-made fabricated bulls~~~.
I want to know why Christians believe in something that has been shown to be man-made bulls~~~. It’s a legitimate and straight forward query.
How the f~~~ do you simply ignore the obvious, rather self evident fact that your god and your religion are just man made? What is it that you’re just not getting???
Lol, what a ridiculous claim, but I guess you are just parroting.
Dam why is a basic definition so hard for people.
For the record, look on any thread involving religion and the theists will be the first to bait and act like juveniles. They get the pussy pass tho.
I feel I am dealing with low IQ or brainwashed people.
It must be either fear or getting mind f~~~ed as a child you can be this thick. I can only try help you so much.
You guys are one trick ponies that delete every historical fact that doesn’t support your narrative. That takes a special kind of stupid.
I am glad people like you believe sky daddy is watching. You have no other reason not to go on a killing spree I guess. For Christ’s sake, please never stop believing, you are too dangerous to be out on public unsupervised.
If you are honest and gave a s~~~ about the truth you will find the only ones getting emotional and kinda pathetic are the theists here.
You missed the point. If drawing moral conclusions from the bible requires you to use your moral reasoning then where did that moral reasoning come from? It can’t come from the bible or god because you independently need that reasoning to interpret the bible. What I also don’t understand about using the bible as a source of moral reasoning is why God would bother to write such a complicated and opaque manual to morality? Why not just say: “Its bad to kill people?”. Of course it does say that but then it says its ok to kill people if they believe differently, work on the Sabbath etc… Its just an inconsistent mess of stories that offer nothing….
With God, Christ, there is truth, mystery, wonder, awe and eternal life.
With Atheism, there is despair, hopelessness and meaninglessness. And justified ruthlessness and horror.
Read the “Gulag Archipelago” and your life will not be the same. Solzhenitsyn lived under horrible evil for decades. One cannot come away from this book an atheist.
God bless, Michael
Says you. I say “wrong”! If anything falls under the category of “hopelessness, meaningless, and despair” it’s religion. Religion tells people that the world that God created is utter s~~~. That they need to abandon this life in which they live, and strive to live in heaven. Where everything is shiny and perfect. That they need to spend their energy trying to get close to God. That they need to await the end times and seek out a fantasy land of God’s special kingdom. That apparently God got everything on this Earth wrong.
I disagree. I believe that the “heaven” that people seek is right here on Earth. That is it this world in which we live (that humans destroy – that humans CHOOSE to live in a world of heaven or hell), that a being created for us to live in, which is heaven. I believe that because I have traveled the world over, and am still amazed at the natural wonders of this place that I call home. Esp given that as it stands, there are no other planets like this one.
I do not look to end times, I do not look to “God’s heavenly kingdom”, but instead recognize the gift I have been given and live life every day thankfully that I can have the experiences in life that were meant for me to have. Only religion could pervert man’s mind so much in the name of taking his money for profit and fill his head nonsense. Every religious person I’ve talked to in terms of religion against non belief always clings to the notion that without religion their life would have no purpose. How empty and shallow is that?
To place everything on one simple thought. Because those people cannot rationalize having something to live for. They don’t see how precious life is. Because rather than enjoy what their creator has made for them, they believe it’s best to wait till they’re one with God. What a slap in the face to the being who took all that time to design this world and everything it interacts with.
But again, folks like you believe that because I don’t live my life according to a concept designed to CONTROL man, I have no morality. That I have no purpose. That I am drowning in a sea of despair. How arrogant! How arrogant of you to presume such a thing to me.
There is no shiny afterlife in some astral plane, where we go to live if we’ve been nice, and no fiery place of burning or torture where we go to live if we’ve been bad. Those places religion speak of, is the choice WE MAKE for this world. Either we can choose to take care of this planet, and those we share it with, and enjoy our lives (heaven) or we can choose to kill everything, and destroy all in our path (hell).
And then of course there’s the other countless examples of using personal insults, intimidation, shaming tactics, etc of posters attempting to force their views on others:
It’s not about “personal insults, intimidation, shaming tactics or forcing views on others”. It’s about calling out bulls~~~ when we see it. If calling out bulls~~~ when we see it isn’t appropriate on a MGTOW forum then it seems that I’ve gotten the wrong impression. My bad…
Can the mute retard stop posting mindless memes it makes it more dufficult get to discussion posts.
Surfdude you have just made a bunch of quotes out of context that don’t even support your point.
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