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    Building the Iron Wall by Chris Hedges [1]

    Chris Hedges

    Chris Hedges is a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, New York Times best selling author, former professor at Princeton University, activist and ordained Presbyterian minister.

    Chris Hedges is a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, New York Times best selling author, former professor at Princeton University, activist and ordained Presbyterian minister. He has written 11 books, including the New York Times best-seller “Days of Destruction, Days of Revolt” (2012).

    Hedges spent nearly two decades as a foreign correspondent in Central America, the Middle East, Africa and the Balkans. He has reported from more than 50 countries during his work for The Christian Science Monitor, National Public Radio, The Dallas Morning News and The New York Times, for which he was a foreign correspondent for 15 years

    He writes a weekly column for the website Truthdig in Los Angeles, run by Robert Scheer, and hosts a show, On Contact, on RT America.

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    Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, along with 18 members of the House of Representatives — 15 Republicans and three Democrats — has sent a letter to Attorney General Jeff Sessions demanding that the Qatari-run Al-Jazeera television network register as a foreign agent under the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA).

    The letter was issued after Al-Jazeera said it planned to air a documentary by a reporter who went undercover to look into the Israel lobby in the United States. The action by the Senator and the House Members follows the decision by the Justice Department to force RT America to register as a foreign agent and the
    imposition of algorithms by Facebook, Google and Twitter that steer traffic away from left-wing, anti-war and progressive websites, including Truthdig. It also follows December’s abolition of net neutrality.

    The letter asks the Justice Department to investigate “reports that Al Jazeera infiltrated American non-profit organizations.” It says that the “content produced by this network often directly undermines American interests with favorable coverage of U.S. State Department-designated Foreign Terrorist Organizations, including Hamas, Hezbollah, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and Jabhat al-Nusra, al-Qaeda’s branch in Syria.”

    “American citizens deserve to know whether the information and news media they consume is impartial, or if it is deceptive propaganda pushed by foreign nations,” the letter reads.

    The ominous assault on the final redoubts of a free press, through an attempt to brand dissidents, independent journalists and critics of corporate power and imperialism as agents of a foreign power, has begun.

    FARA, until recently, was a little-used regulation, passed in 1938 to combat Nazi propaganda. The journalists Max Blumenthal and Ali Abunimah do a good job of addressing the issue in this clip on The Real News Network.

    Those who challenge the dominant corporate narrative already struggle on the margins of the media landscape. The handful of independent websites and news outlets, including this one, and a few foreign-run networks such as Al-Jazeera and RT America, on which I host a show, “On Contact [2],” are the few platforms left that examine corporate power and empire, the curtailment of our civil liberties, lethal police violence and the ecocide carried out by the fossil fuel and animal agriculture industries, as well as cover the war crimes committed by Israel and the U.S. military in the Middle East.

    Shutting down these venues would ensure that the critics who speak through them, and oppressed peoples such as the Palestinians, have no voice left.

    I witnessed and was at times the victim of black propaganda campaigns when I was a foreign correspondent. False accusations are made anonymously and then amplified by a compliant press. The anonymous site PropOrNot [9], replicating this tactic, in 2016 published a blacklist of 199 sites that it alleged, with no evidence, “reliably echo Russian propaganda.”

    More than half of those sites were far-right, conspiracy-driven ones. But about 20 of the sites were progressive, anti-war and left-wing. They included AlterNet [3], Black Agenda Report [4], Democracy Now! [5], Naked Capitalism [6], Truthdig [1], Truthout [7], CounterPunch [8] and the World Socialist Web Site.

    PropOrNot [9] charged that these sites disseminated “fake news” on behalf of Russia, and the allegations became front-page news in The Washington Post in a story headlined “Russian propaganda effort helped spread ‘fake news’ during the election, experts say.” Washington Post reporter Craig Timberg wrote in that article that the goal of “a sophisticated Russian propaganda effort,” according to “independent researchers who have tracked the operation,” was “punishing Democrat Hillary Clinton, helping Republican Donald Trump and undermining faith in American democracy.”

    To date, no one has exposed who operates PropOrNot or who is behind the website.

    But the damage done by this black propaganda campaign and the subsequent announcement by Google and other organizations such as Facebook last April that they had put in filters to elevate “more authoritative content” and marginalize “blatantly misleading, low quality, offensive or downright false information” have steadily diverted readers away from some sites.

    The Marxist World Socialist Web Site, for example, has seen its traffic decline by 75%. AlterNet’s search traffic is down 71%, Consortium News is down 72%, and Global Research and Truthdig have seen declines. And the situation appears to be growing worse as the algorithms are refined.

    Jeff Bezos, the owner of The Washington Post and the founder and CEO of Amazon, has, like Google and some other major Silicon Valley corporations, close ties with the federal security and surveillance apparatus.

    Bezos has a $600 million contract with the CIA. The lines separating technology-based entities such as Google and Amazon and the government’s security and surveillance apparatus are often nonexistent. The goal of corporations such as Google and Facebook is profit, not the dissemination of truth. And when truth gets in the way of profit, truth is sacrificed.

    Google, Facebook, Twitter, The New York Times, The Washington Post, BuzzFeed News, Agence France-Presse and CNN have all imposed or benefited from the algorithms or filters—overseen by human “evaluators.” When an internet user types a word in a Google search it is called an “impression” by the industry. These impressions direct the persons making the searches to websites that use the words or address the issues associated with them.

    Before the algorithms were put in place last April, searches for terms such as “imperialism” or “inequality” directed internet users mostly to left-wing, progressive and anti-war sites. Now they are directed primarily to mainstream sites such as The Washington Post. If you type in “World Socialist Web Site,” which has been hit especially hard by the algorithms, you will be directed to the site—but you have to ask for it by name. Searches for associated words such as “socialist” or “socialism” are unlikely to bring up a list in which the World Socialist Web Site appears near the top

    There are 10,000 “evaluators” at Google, many of them former employees at counterterrorism agencies, who determine the “quality” and veracity of websites. They have downgraded sites such as Truthdig, and with the abolition of net neutrality can further isolate those sites on the internet. The news organizations and corporations imposing and benefiting from this censorship have strong links to the corporate establishment and the Democratic Party. They do not question corporate capitalism, American imperialism or rising social inequality. They dutifully feed the anti-Russia hysteria. An Al-Jazeera report on this censorship begins at 14:07 in this link [10].

    The Corporate Oligarchs, lacking a valid response to the discrediting of their policies of economic pillage and endless war, have turned to the blunt instrument of censorship and to a new version of red baiting. They do not intend to institute reforms or restore an open society. They do not intend to address the social inequality behind the political insurgencies in the two major political parties and the hatred of the corporate state that spans the political spectrum. They intend to impose a cone of silence and the state-sanctioned uniformity of opinion that characterizes all totalitarian regimes.

    This is what the use of FARA, the imposition of algorithms and the attempt to blame Trump’s election on Russian interference is about.

    Critics and investigative journalists who expose the inner workings of corporate power are branded enemies of the state in the service of a foreign power. The corporate-controlled media, meanwhile, presents the salacious, the trivial and the absurd as news while fanning the obsession over Russia.

    This is one of the most ominous moments in American history.

    The complicity in this witch hunt by self-identified liberal organizations, including The New York Times and MSNBC, will come back to haunt them. When the voices for truth are erased, they will be next.

    The steps to tyranny are always small, incremental and often barely noticed, as Milton Mayer [11] wrote in “They Thought They Were Free: The Germans 1933-1945.” By the time a population wakes up, it is too late.

    He noted:

    But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and the worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and the smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked.

    If, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the “German Firm” stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.

    And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying “Jew swine,” collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you lived in—your nation, your people—is not the world you were born in at all.

    The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way.

    Despots, despite their proclaimed ideological, national and religious differences, speak the same language. Amoral, devoid of empathy and addicted to power and personal enrichment, they are building a world where all who criticize them are silenced, where their populations are rendered compliant by fear, constant surveillance and the loss of basic liberties and where they and their corporate enablers are the undisputed masters.

    The Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported that the Qatari government is seeking to improve relations with the Trump administration by forging alliances with right-wing Jewish organizations in the United States. It has promised Jewish leaders, the paper reported, not to air the Al-Jazeera documentary about the Israel lobby. Al-Jazeera in 2016 shut down Al-Jazeera America, which broadcast to U.S. audiences. With no broadcaster in the U.S., the program would have reached few American viewers even if Al-Jazeera had put it on the air.

    Haaretz reported that Jewish organizational leaders who have visited Qatar in recent months include Mort Klein of the Zionist Organization of America; Malcolm Hoenlein, the executive vice chairman of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations; Jack Rosen of the American Jewish Congress; Rabbi Menachem Genack of the Orthodox Union; Martin Oliner of the Religious Zionists of America; and attorney Alan Dershowitz.

    “What these leaders share is that none of them are considered critics of the right-wing Netanyahu government in Israel or the Trump administration in Washington,” Haaretz correspondent Amir Tibon wrote in the newspaper.

    The despotism of the United States and the despotism of Israel have found an ally in the despotism of Qatar. Professed beliefs are meaningless. Israel is bonded with the regime in Saudi Arabia and the Christian right in the United States, each of which is virulently anti-Semitic.

    Dissidents, including Jewish and Israeli dissidents, are attacked as “self-hating Jews” or anti-Semites only because they are dissidents. The word “traitor” or “anti-Semite” has no real meaning. It is used not to describe a reality but to turn someone into a pariah. The iron wall is rising. It will cement into place a global system of corporate totalitarianism, one in which the old vocabulary of human rights and democracy is empty and where any form of defiance means you are an enemy of the state.

    This totalitarianism is being formed incrementally. It begins by silencing the demonized. It ends by silencing everyone.

    “You walk into the room with your pencil in your hand,” Bob Dylan sang in “Ballad of a Thin Man.” “You see somebody naked and you say, ‘Who is that man?’ You try so hard but you don’t understand just what you will say when you get home. Because something is happening here, but you don’t know what it is, do you, Mr. Jones?

    Citations
    [1] https://www.truthdig.com/articles/building-the-iron-wall/
    [2] https://www.rt.com/shows/on-contact/
    [3] https://www.alternet.org/
    [4] https://www.blackagendareport.com/
    [5] https://www.democracynow.org/
    [6] https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/
    [7] http://www.truth-out.org/
    [8] https://www.counterpunch.org/
    [9] http://www.propornot.com/p/home.html
    [10] https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/listeningpost/2018/03/headlines-hyperbole-covering-sergei-skripal-story-180317065638228.html
    [11] http://www.press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/author/M/M/au5456987.html

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    Building the Iron Wall by Chris Hedges [1]

    Chris Hedges

    Chris Hedges is a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, New York Times best selling author, former professor at Princeton University, activist and ordained Presbyterian minister.

    Chris Hedges is a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, New York Times best selling author, former professor at Princeton University, activist and ordained Presbyterian minister. He has written 11 books, including the New York Times best-seller “Days of Destruction, Days of Revolt” (2012).

    Hedges spent nearly two decades as a foreign correspondent in Central America, the Middle East, Africa and the Balkans. He has reported from more than 50 countries during his work for The Christian Science Monitor, National Public Radio, The Dallas Morning News and The New York Times, for which he was a foreign correspondent for 15 years

    He writes a weekly column for the website Truthdig in Los Angeles, run by Robert Scheer, and hosts a show, On Contact, on RT America.

    Photo for Iron Wall Header

    Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas, along with 18 members of the House of Representatives — 15 Republicans and three Democrats — has sent a letter to Attorney General Jeff Sessions demanding that the Qatari-run Al-Jazeera television network register as a foreign agent under the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA).

    The letter was issued after Al-Jazeera said it planned to air a documentary by a reporter who went undercover to look into the Israel lobby in the United States. The action by the Senator and the House Members follows the decision by the Justice Department to force RT America to register as a foreign agent and the
    imposition of algorithms by Facebook, Google and Twitter that steer traffic away from left-wing, anti-war and progressive websites, including Truthdig. It also follows December’s abolition of net neutrality.

    The letter asks the Justice Department to investigate “reports that Al Jazeera infiltrated American non-profit organizations.” It says that the “content produced by this network often directly undermines American interests with favorable coverage of U.S. State Department-designated Foreign Terrorist Organizations, including Hamas, Hezbollah, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, and Jabhat al-Nusra, al-Qaeda’s branch in Syria.”

    “American citizens deserve to know whether the information and news media they consume is impartial, or if it is deceptive propaganda pushed by foreign nations,” the letter reads.

    The ominous assault on the final redoubts of a free press, through an attempt to brand dissidents, independent journalists and critics of corporate power and imperialism as agents of a foreign power, has begun.

    FARA, until recently, was a little-used regulation, passed in 1938 to combat Nazi propaganda. The journalists Max Blumenthal and Ali Abunimah do a good job of addressing the issue in this clip on The Real News Network.

    Those who challenge the dominant corporate narrative already struggle on the margins of the media landscape. The handful of independent websites and news outlets, including this one, and a few foreign-run networks such as Al-Jazeera and RT America, on which I host a show, “On Contact [2],” are the few platforms left that examine corporate power and empire, the curtailment of our civil liberties, lethal police violence and the ecocide carried out by the fossil fuel and animal agriculture industries, as well as cover the war crimes committed by Israel and the U.S. military in the Middle East.

    Shutting down these venues would ensure that the critics who speak through them, and oppressed peoples such as the Palestinians, have no voice left.

    I witnessed and was at times the victim of black propaganda campaigns when I was a foreign correspondent. False accusations are made anonymously and then amplified by a compliant press. The anonymous site PropOrNot [9], replicating this tactic, in 2016 published a blacklist of 199 sites that it alleged, with no evidence, “reliably echo Russian propaganda.”

    More than half of those sites were far-right, conspiracy-driven ones. But about 20 of the sites were progressive, anti-war and left-wing. They included AlterNet [3], Black Agenda Report [4], Democracy Now! [5], Naked Capitalism [6], Truthdig [1], Truthout [7], CounterPunch [8] and the World Socialist Web Site.

    PropOrNot [9] charged that these sites disseminated “fake news” on behalf of Russia, and the allegations became front-page news in The Washington Post in a story headlined “Russian propaganda effort helped spread ‘fake news’ during the election, experts say.” Washington Post reporter Craig Timberg wrote in that article that the goal of “a sophisticated Russian propaganda effort,” according to “independent researchers who have tracked the operation,” was “punishing Democrat Hillary Clinton, helping Republican Donald Trump and undermining faith in American democracy.”

    To date, no one has exposed who operates PropOrNot or who is behind the website.

  • But the damage done by this black propaganda campaign and the subsequent announcement by Google and other organizations such as Facebook last April that they had put in filters to elevate “more authoritative content” and marginalize “blatantly misleading, low quality, offensive or downright false information” have steadily diverted readers away from some sites.

    The Marxist World Socialist Web Site, for example, has seen its traffic decline by 75%. AlterNet’s search traffic is down 71%, Consortium News is down 72%, and Global Research and Truthdig have seen declines. And the situation appears to be growing worse as the algorithms are refined.

  • Jeff Bezos, the owner of The Washington Post and the founder and CEO of Amazon, has, like Google and some other major Silicon Valley corporations, close ties with the federal security and surveillance apparatus.

    Bezos has a $600 million contract with the CIA. The lines separating technology-based entities such as Google and Amazon and the government’s security and surveillance apparatus are often nonexistent. The goal of corporations such as Google and Facebook is profit, not the dissemination of truth. And when truth gets in the way of profit, truth is sacrificed.

    Google, Facebook, Twitter, The New York Times, The Washington Post, BuzzFeed News, Agence France-Presse and CNN have all imposed or benefited from the algorithms or filters—overseen by human “evaluators.” When an internet user types a word in a Google search it is called an “impression” by the industry. These impressions direct the persons making the searches to websites that use the words or address the issues associated with them.

    Before the algorithms were put in place last April, searches for terms such as “imperialism” or “inequality” directed internet users mostly to left-wing, progressive and anti-war sites. Now they are directed primarily to mainstream sites such as The Washington Post. If you type in “World Socialist Web Site,” which has been hit especially hard by the algorithms, you will be directed to the site—but you have to ask for it by name. Searches for associated words such as “socialist” or “socialism” are unlikely to bring up a list in which the World Socialist Web Site appears near the top

    There are 10,000 “evaluators” at Google, many of them former employees at counterterrorism agencies, who determine the “quality” and veracity of websites. They have downgraded sites such as Truthdig, and with the abolition of net neutrality can further isolate those sites on the internet. The news organizations and corporations imposing and benefiting from this censorship have strong links to the corporate establishment and the Democratic Party. They do not question corporate capitalism, American imperialism or rising social inequality. They dutifully feed the anti-Russia hysteria. An Al-Jazeera report on this censorship begins at 14:07 in this link [10].

    The Corporate Oligarchs, lacking a valid response to the discrediting of their policies of economic pillage and endless war, have turned to the blunt instrument of censorship and to a new version of red baiting. They do not intend to institute reforms or restore an open society. They do not intend to address the social inequality behind the political insurgencies in the two major political parties and the hatred of the corporate state that spans the political spectrum. They intend to impose a cone of silence and the state-sanctioned uniformity of opinion that characterizes all totalitarian regimes.

    This is what the use of FARA, the imposition of algorithms and the attempt to blame Trump’s election on Russian interference is about.

    Critics and investigative journalists who expose the inner workings of corporate power are branded enemies of the state in the service of a foreign power. The corporate-controlled media, meanwhile, presents the salacious, the trivial and the absurd as news while fanning the obsession over Russia.

    This is one of the most ominous moments in American history.

    The complicity in this witch hunt by self-identified liberal organizations, including The New York Times and MSNBC, will come back to haunt them. When the voices for truth are erased, they will be next.

    The steps to tyranny are always small, incremental and often barely noticed, as Milton Mayer [11] wrote in “They Thought They Were Free: The Germans 1933-1945.” By the time a population wakes up, it is too late.

    He noted:

    But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and the worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and the smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked.

    If, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the “German Firm” stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D.

    And one day, too late, your principles, if you were ever sensible of them, all rush in upon you. The burden of self-deception has grown too heavy, and some minor incident, in my case my little boy, hardly more than a baby, saying “Jew swine,” collapses it all at once, and you see that everything, everything has changed and changed completely under your nose. The world you lived in—your nation, your people—is not the world you were born in at all.

    The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves; when everyone is transformed no one is transformed. Now you live in a system which rules without responsibility even to God. The system itself could not have intended this in the beginning, but in order to sustain itself it was compelled to go all the way.

    Despots, despite their proclaimed ideological, national and religious differences, speak the same language. Amoral, devoid of empathy and addicted to power and personal enrichment, they are building a world where all who criticize them are silenced, where their populations are rendered compliant by fear, constant surveillance and the loss of basic liberties and where they and their corporate enablers are the undisputed masters.

    The Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported that the Qatari government is seeking to improve relations with the Trump administration by forging alliances with right-wing Jewish organizations in the United States. It has promised Jewish leaders, the paper reported, not to air the Al-Jazeera documentary about the Israel lobby. Al-Jazeera in 2016 shut down Al-Jazeera America, which broadcast to U.S. audiences. With no broadcaster in the U.S., the program would have reached few American viewers even if Al-Jazeera had put it on the air.

    Haaretz reported that Jewish organizational leaders who have visited Qatar in recent months include Mort Klein of the Zionist Organization of America; Malcolm Hoenlein, the executive vice chairman of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations; Jack Rosen of the American Jewish Congress; Rabbi Menachem Genack of the Orthodox Union; Martin Oliner of the Religious Zionists of America; and attorney Alan Dershowitz.

    “What these leaders share is that none of them are considered critics of the right-wing Netanyahu government in Israel or the Trump administration in Washington,” Haaretz correspondent Amir Tibon wrote in the newspaper.

    The despotism of the United States and the despotism of Israel have found an ally in the despotism of Qatar. Professed beliefs are meaningless. Israel is bonded with the regime in Saudi Arabia and the Christian right in the United States, each of which is virulently anti-Semitic.

    Dissidents, including Jewish and Israeli dissidents, are attacked as “self-hating Jews” or anti-Semites only because they are dissidents. The word “traitor” or “anti-Semite” has no real meaning. It is used not to describe a reality but to turn someone into a pariah. The iron wall is rising. It will cement into place a global system of corporate totalitarianism, one in which the old vocabulary of human rights and democracy is empty and where any form of defiance means you are an enemy of the state.

    This totalitarianism is being formed incrementally. It begins by silencing the demonized. It ends by silencing everyone.

    “You walk into the room with your pencil in your hand,” Bob Dylan sang in “Ballad of a Thin Man.” “You see somebody naked and you say, ‘Who is that man?’ You try so hard but you don’t understand just what you will say when you get home. Because something is happening here, but you don’t know what it is, do you, Mr. Jones?

    Citations
    [1] https://www.truthdig.com/articles/building-the-iron-wall/
    [2] https://www.rt.com/shows/on-contact/
    [3] https://www.alternet.org/
    [4] https://www.blackagendareport.com/
    [5] https://www.democracynow.org/
    [6] https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/
    [7] http://www.truth-out.org/
    [8] https://www.counterpunch.org/
    [9] http://www.propornot.com/p/home.html
    [10] https://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/listeningpost/2018/03/headlines-hyperbole-covering-sergei-skripal-story-180317065638228.html
    [11] http://www.press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/author/M/M/au5456987.html

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The year in hell is almost over, the bitch/c~~~ filed for divorce in February, 2017 after 24 years of marriage. There was no notice, just a process server waiting in my driveway for me, when I left for work. She quit her job five years ago to care for her mother who is in a nursing home and work on our marriage. Little good that did. No complaints from me, I wanted a divorce since 2010, just not brave enough to file. Of course, she wanted everything we have. In spite of the fact she earned about 1/3 of what I did over that period of time.

She gets the house (no mortgage), her retirement accounts. I get all my vehicles car, truck, two motorcycles, camper and keep 100% of my retirement accounts and she pays me $20,000 as a settlement. Retirement is the most important to me as I turn age 64 this year and plan to retire in December. Not what is fair, but the best I can do with the court system. I don’t pay her any spousal support so I am free from her money-grabbing ways after today. Some ways of computing things sucks, but the courts always favor the women. At least we don’t have any children. She didn’t before but changed her mind after marriage. I didn’t so I got a vasectomy to prevent any “mistakes”. Smartest thing I did during the thirty years I’ve known her.

That bottle of champagne in the fridge will be coming out when things are final.

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I ain't got a wife to spend my money, I have to do that all by myself.

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I don’t really know where to begin with what happened with my last girlfriend, only that it left my life in complete mess and 18 months on after she limply discarded me nothing still makes any sense and I need a little help sifting through the rubble and getting my life back.

I’m a sound engineer, specifically a monitor engineer, I do sound for the singer or band so they can hear themselves and stay in time and tune, it’s a very hard job with alot of pressure and responsibility, I was working on a tour with a well known “artist” from 2012, she thought I was cool and appreciated me so her minions started to notice me and her make up artist who I’d chatted to a couple of times took a shine to me, to be honest I thought she’d be quite a bit older than me and I never would’ve got involved with someone like her in a million years just because you know straight off the bat anyone working in fashion or that world is going to be a certain way. We had a night off in Paris one one tour in 2013 and I was walking back to the hotel with the make up artist who never came out with the scummy roadies and she’d just been there to see me, she told me her friends family were staying in her room and asked if she could stay with me, I said yes because I thought she was cute and I was drunk so whatever. Anyway we had a bit of a kiss and stuff and thats where it all began and the day I monumentally f~~~ed my life up.

The day after that I texted her and asked if she wanted to go for dinner, we had a nice night and ended up having full blown sex and were basically a couple from that point on. The only problem was she was moving from the UK to New York in a few months so I backed off a bit, she hated that and It got intense very quickly. Apparently she hadn’t been in a relationship for 6 years, something I now know is a lie, she told me she loved me within days, how could I let someone who felt that strongly about me leave? It was bollocks though, she was just scared of moving abroad on her own and saw me as someone who would protect her and someone who had their s~~~ together. I didn’t see that, I was blind to the reality of the whole thing. A couple of weeks after we got together I got offered a tour that would have seen me set for life, I turned it down to be with her and so it began.

It was win win for her, she hated being on tour so she got someone to hang out with and have sex with and kept her from being bored (seeing as she only works about 30 minutes a day) and it was good for me too at the start but then I couldn’t escape, I was expected to be there at her beck and call whenever she needed me. A few months later on the last show before she was going to move to New York we were in Chicago, I was very confused about what we were doing and went AWOL to avoid her, very grown up but I figured she’d get the message I wasn’t going to carry on as she was moving countries. She didn’t let me get away with that. She found me in the hotel and I’d got her a vitamix for a house warming/good luck/good bye present. She basically persuaded me to come with her and that was that. A 6 month tour romance and I was upping sticks and moving to New York from England, somewhere I never had any intention of moving, I was going to buy a house and live a quiet life but because I’d never been in a decent relationship I felt I had to, for her as well as myself and a few days later I was helping her move into an apartment in Brooklyn.

I’d never lived with a woman so at first it was great, I fell totally in love with her but it was hard, I moved back into my parents house in England and went back and forward to New York to be with her whenever I wasn’t away working. I decided to move there with her and started doing an 01 visa so I could live and work there. Thats when it started to get stressful and I realised what a huge undertaking this was. The visa itself cost about 10,000 dollars, so I was already resentful about that, we’d start arguing because I felt the relationship was one sided, it was me doing all the work, she just got someone to look after her for a few weeks at a time then I’d go home and work and she’d be needy and depressed so I was being pulled all over the place. I knew it wasn’t right but I loved her so I kept going, I thought it would be worth the sacrifice and that we’d be together forever.

About a year later we did the same tour again together. I’d had other offers but because we’d been doing long distance she wanted me there with her so I did it even though I hated that tour, I was treated terribly. A couple of days before the tour started they told me they couldn’t pay me what they’d promised. I was fuming, I told her about it and she just shrugged it off, didn’t care, I disappeared and went and got blind drunk, I knew I’d made a mess of things, her reaction to that told me she wasn’t right for me, she only cared about herself. It was too Late for me to go back to the other tours I’d been offered and I ended up doing it. I needed the money to move to New York. Massive mistake. We didn’t speak for a few days, I was livid at her but of course it was me who had the problem, not her for not supporting me or having my back, and I grovelled and begged and brought her a f~~~ing 1500 dollar purse to say sorry, I hated her but I also loved her and had already committed so much with the visa and the relationship I just had together on with it. That tour was f~~~ing horrible, the work was s~~~ and we were arguing all the time. A few weeks in her Nan died and I felt awful for her so I dropped all the resentment and was just there for her completely. This went on for awhile and it was exhausting. I felt like I had two jobs, one my actual job and the other looking after her. I got to the point eventually I had to leave the tour, it was killing me and we wouldn’t have survived if I’d stayed so I told her I needed to get my head down and focus on work for a couple of days then I was going to leave. Her response. “I will get my attention elsewhere then”. I was f~~~ing livid, I was in such a state I could barely function but I got on with it the best I could, the show came around and someone said something very stupid and I lost it and walked out during the first song and the show came to a stop. I told my ex I never wanted to see her again. So what did she do. Ran after me. I was due to move to New York for real with her in a few months she couldn’t be there on her own. I f~~~ing hated her. I really did. But I’m an idiot and we spent the week together at my parents house, it was never spoken about again and it was me that ended up in therapy because of my reactions, not her.

So a few months later I got the visa and moved there with her, I was desperately hoping it wouldnt have been approved so I could put an end to the whole thing to be honest. The day after we moved into our new apartment she went away for 2 weeks working for the same person I’d had to walk out of and humiliate myself doing and the rot set in. We had good times but most of the time I was there on my own and we’d argue every time she’d go away and come back. I’d sacrificed my own career to be out there with her, was doing s~~~ty work in the city and she was going all round the world and flying, 18 months later I was flat broke and we ended it and I moved back home to start my life again. Only what f~~~ing happened, 2 weeks later she changed her mind, she missed me, didn’t want it to end, I missed her too but I didn’t want to get back together unless she was going to move back, she wasn’t, but idiot here got back with her, she came back to visit the week after I’d had a trial at a place that offered me a job, it was somewhere she never would’ve wanted to live so I turned it down, we broke up again because it was too hard trying to think for 2 people again, I just needed to be working again. A few weeks later same thing happened, work started picking up, I was planning on moving to a little city in England and things were looking up, only she reappeared with the same crap about missing me and I fell for it. My goals changed every time she’d come back but I still loved her and because she’d started talking about moving back to England I thought f~~~ it, I’m going to make this work so I got a killer tour and started raking in money to move us to London. It would be better there, we had friends and family, it wasn’t as expensive. Sorted. Only it wasn’t. She moved back to London on her own and once she had her friends and family she had no need for me anymore and she gave me a weekend away with her as “a last chance”.

The weekend was dreadful, we stayed in a country hotel in Richmond and she couldn’t have made it more obvious that she didn’t give a s~~~ so I was resigned to my fate but at least I had work and could get my life back on track. We got drunk and next day had stinking hangovers. She called me an “awful person” for yawning. I just walked out and left her. The next day hugged her goodbye, nothing was said and I was on my way. Telling myself it was for the best and I had to get on with my life now.

Only what f~~~ing happened. 6 hours later she changed her f~~~ing mind again. Finally I had the b~~~~ to say no, I didn’t feel the same anymore, she was messing me around and that was it. But she hated that and wouldnt let it go. I said fine but I needed some space to get through work which was hard, she didn’t say anything but I made it clear I wasn’t done with her I just needed to do this without arguments or confusion. By the time I came around and asked her how she was a few days later her response, BY TEXT, after nearly 4 years together, was “I’ll talk to you when I get back. I’m busy with work too”, i.e it’s over. I didn’t know what the hell was going on anymore but presumed it was over and let her get on with it, a couple of weeks later I asked how she was and she couldn’t have made it more obvious she was done so I did what most blokes would do and got blind drunk and slept with the production assistant on the tour who’d said she’d liked me for years and used to stalk me, idiot that I am fell for this, I liked her too but she was fresh out of a 10 year relationship, she said I had to sort out things with my ex and get all my stuff back from America because she wouldnt have slept with me if she didn’t want to be together. I couldn’t believe my luck. So I got home a few weeks later, and the production assistant sacked me off, said it was too soon, I really was a mess by this point, I’d had a job lined up in London for when I got back I’d only got for when my ex and me were going to move to London and I walked out after 3 hours and went to the pub. Told my ex (who hadn’t even bothered to contact me when I’dgot back) I’d been an idiot and slept with someone and I was sorry, what the f~~~ for I don’t know but her response was (as usual) “well I was having second thoughts about ending it but not now”.

I moved back into my parents at 34, I went into an absolute spiral of drink and drugs, stupid really but only a few weeks later I thought I’d be moving to London with the love of my life, had work and money and it all went to s~~~. I blamed myself for everything and tried to commit suicide. I’d phoned my ex in tears saying how sorry I was and she just told me to go away, lied that she was on a date and told me she wanted to “explore meeting other people”, I took an ungodly amount of drugs and whisky and ended up in hospital. She of course turned up with my sister and sat there on her phone and left a few hours later, told me we couldn’t be in contact for awhile and I was fine with that, I had a chance.

I kept myself to myself, started doing therapy, got in the gym and knew what I had to do. A month later she got in touch, saying she missed me, I was f~~~ing confused, what did it mean, if it didn’t mean anything why would she say it, so we met up, I had a nervous breakdown when it was obvious I’d been used the whole time and walked out. Same happened a month later and we met up again, I was even worse this time and had tried to hang myself after she texted me when I got back, said she missed me that it was lovely to see me blah blah blah but it was just ticking boxes it didn’t mean anything. Then she went to Hawaii for work for a few weeks, I was convinced she was seeing someone, still do but she didn’t admit it, it was around this time I properly lost my mind, was put on anti psychotics, was so drugged up I couldn’t work, I was officially mental, was in and out of hospital, got sectioned, multiple suicide attempts, the thought of her being with someone else after all that effort and money and love just to be discarded by text killed me, she told me I needed to sort myself out, it’s only now I realise how bulls~~~ that was, I was in this mess because of her but I did. I got asked to do the biggest tour of last year and I f~~~ing smashed it, only I was doing it to prove to her I could be the person she first met, and 10 months after we’d last seen each other, after the most awful year I could imagine, begging, pleading, etc I finally got to see her and I fell in love with her all over again. Only meeting her was the worst thing I could’ve done, it brought about a breakdown even worse than the first one, all the money I’d made that year either went to pay off debt from living in America or on therapy that did nothing. I was diagnosed with several mental illnesses which rather than fight I brought in to, I was nothing to anyone anymore, was such a liability I’d never work again. 6 months after we me met that time now I see her for what she really is, she’s narcissistic, arrogant, entitled but I still love her, I still wake up at 3am every single day talking to her in my head. I’ve done some stupid things, really stupid, things I am ashamed of. I sent a pathetic letter to 200 people calling her a narcissist and that I was emotionally abused and that I was sorry for being such a mess. I started an instagram page when I was drunk with pictures of us together and some of the stupid things she’d said to me as the captions. I know I’ll never see or talk to her again, part of me is glad I finally exposed her to people for what she is and not the little timid sweetheart she makes herself out to be, part of me also hasn’t given up which is ridiculous, she’ll certainly never turn around and say sorry or admit her part in things or take responsibility, I was just a stop gap for her, I was used and I highly doubt I’ll ever trust another woman again which is why I found myself here. Still living at my parents at 35 and only 5 years ago had the world at my feet, was and still am one of the best around at my job but no one will touch me with a barge pole, meanwhile she didnt look back once, got on with her life, got her own flat, seeing other men and I can barely leave the house, nearly two years later. I have no enjoyment for anything apart from drinking, nothing stops me thinking about me, even took up motorbikes and it always comes back to the the anger, resentment and bitterness and what I did for someone who never loved me or cared and just used me.

HELP

Aussie
Aussie
Participant

TL;DR Woman destroys business because she can’t stop being a bitch:

There is a great little café I have been going to for a few years and now I am watching it slowly turn to s~~~. Let me explain. It’s a popular café in a touristy country town that also has a sideline hiring out bicycles. This place has a bit of competition but has the best location and premises and quite simply, is a diamond in the rough. Limitless potential for the right management and could make a lot of money.
For the last 8 years it has been owned by two women. And one of them (who only owned 30%) has been taking money out at the expense of her partner (who was either clueless or just dumb). Suppliers and taxes were paid late just so Owner 1 could take her wages out of the business. Well she finally left the shop to go and have babies leaving a financial mess to be cleaned up.

Owner number 2 convinced her live in lover to bail the business out financially as well as work in the café to help get s~~~ organised and basically sort it out while she stayed in the kitchen. Now this is a red pill kind of guy who is extremely capable and resourceful and though he had finally found a decent woman. Until he started telling her how to run the business that HE stopped from going under. Now she argues with him about everything even publicly in the café and today she humiliated him while he was sitting down talking to me. It seems she gets the s~~~s when I turn up for my weekly coffee and breakfast and he sits with me for some bloke time instead of ‘helping’ her. Meanwhile, she has two other females working for her who can do what needs doing but of course she would rather brutalise the MAN who does more than his share anyway. This is a guy who can fix things that break down in the store and do electrical work, mechanical work, just about anything is possible if this man is allowed to do what he wants. And it would all cost nothing due to HIS skills.
All she wants to do is spend money the business does not have on s~~~ they don’t need and when he says anything about it, she turns into instant bitch.

Now he has to tread carefully as he lives with her still, has his vehicles and tools in her garage and he has to legally extract himself from the business while avoiding the ONE PHONE CALL. I have offered him my place to park cars and things on if he needs to move in a hurry.
It’s a crying shame as a committed couple (of any configuration) who work hard and smart and TOGETHER could turn this place into an absolute goldmine. As it is now, he will walk away and she will f~~~ up what is left of it and somebody will end up getting a bargain in the eventual fire sale. This guy is already planning his next life, living alone on HIS property, working on cars and trucks and making a good living doing what only a man can do.

I am sad for the business but happy for the man who has just swallowed a big red pill and is on his way to a better life.

" I feel threatened "

Hmskl'd
hmskl’d
Participant

As I sit here outside taking a break from my spring cleanup activities looking up at the clear blue March sky .. a thought has crossed my mind … I have pondered this before .. I can’t shake this thought as it would be a fairly monumental decision .. plz, allow me to explain

Our nearest neighboring star Proxima Centauri has an Earth like planet orbiting near it called Proxima B. Proxima B might have liquid water and other features that could and possibly does sustain life.

Considering the hypothetical space propulsion system called Laser Sail, it is theoretically possible that one could reach Proxima Centauri and Earth like Proxima B in a mere fifteen years .. as compared to current space technology which would take about 81,000 years for the journey.

So, you are traveling to Proxima B on a quarter-mile-long “privately funded” deep space exploration vessel that can be piloted and comfortably maintained by one person. Even if the travel time were reduced from 81,000 years to the blink of an eye of fifteen years .. would you want an awalt (or awalts) on board? Given the opportunity for companions to travel with you .. would you still go it alone? What if females volunteered to travel with you? You are the Captain .. the final call is yours.

I would say, no travel companions at all, none, not even engineers other than virtual ones .. none other than Bot or Hologram. I can live alone .. I thrive on it as long as I have a decent collection of music and video and books. The mission would pass by much more effortlessly and enjoyably without fifteen years of nagging, name calling, hurling objects .. and who knows what else. I would definitely not take along any female companions.

I could enjoy music throughout the ship as I work .. with no complaints .. life would be so much more enjoyable alone. So much less hassle. Easier to concentrate. jmo To each their own. The computers, the Bots, the ship and myself .. should do fine along the way.

Let’s just say .. “I can make my own sandwiches.”

Besides, I prefer quiet during movie night so as to hear the dialogue .. with several women along there would be no hope for that. Have great day.

#760984

Anonymous

It’s a f~~~ing sickening thought.

I disagree w/those saying that this is a good thing. If a mass migration of a third world muslim populace occurred in the U.S. like it did in Europe, then the U.S. is f~~~ed.

It’s not some ‘cute’ dystopian “collapse of the system” where all men fend for themselves and women finally reap what they sowed. No, it’s turning our culture and country into an Islamic run State.

Does it matter? in the long run?
Like really really long run – a few thousand years in the future?
no it does not.
because Humans won’t survive on this planet to see the year 3000 anyway so stop giving a f~~~.

#760847

In reply to: No boys allowed

Gargamel
Gargamel
Spectator

I can see a future where Schools are a “Testosterone Free Zone.” They will force boys to take Hormone disrupting drugs in order to attend Elementary School. That is where all this Transgender bulls~~~ is headed.

We will fight to keep this from happening and destroy their final master plan.

We are on a mission!

BTW, here is the color of the future our female lurkers will have:

Also available in black, red, gray and white.

But no more man for any and every c~~~.

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim (.pdf file)

#759075

In reply to: Beer and Zoom.

Astro
Astro
Participant

Alcohol produces estrogen, need I say more? I can, I know allot about alcohol and it’s effects.
Try me?

OK, you made a challenge. According to our laws, it must be safer than the ganga. Correct? I don’t think so but we have what we have.

There was a dude I knew since he was an infant named Eddie, a rather big boy. I would offer him a brew but he insisted on his vodka. He was little more than a vagrant. He presented me with a half starved dachshund because he couldn’t take care of himself, much less a dog. A true vagrant left the dachshund with him. He named the dachshund “Oscar” and it was Love at first sight. Last September, Eddie drank himself to death at 37 and I found the bottle in my driveway. I watched them carry the big guy out stiff from the recliner he was sitting in. Yet he gave me an angel that I think was sent to me from a guy far bigger than Eddie and far more powerful. When my wife boasted of her betrayal during Christmas 2016, I wanted to kill myself and was planning my final trip as I cursed that f~~~ing tree. Then this funny looking dog did this meerkat stance and said: “But what about me and my Love for you?” I swear I heard him say it. I laughed and cried at the same time. I was broke down but he saved my life. It’s all because a drunk gave another drunk a half starved pooch. That is how God works. He has a job for even the most vile drunk. No more talking, I have an eye problem right now….

#758643
Daryll55
Daryll55
Participant

Does anyone else get infuriated with this response from blue-pill male friends when they try to meet up: “Let me check with the wife”? Happened to me again the other day. Drives me mad.

Did you mean “gatekeeper” there? “Jailor”, maybe? Or “master”?

If her girlfriends ask her to meet up, does she say, “oh let me check with my husband”? I guarantee she doesn’t.

I know some of you guys don’t hang out with blue pillers and I can see why. I’m isolating myself more and more. Then again, I do have some close friends who are blue pill, and I’m not going to give up on them, so I quietly tolerate this nonsense and then drop in red pill thoughts when we do finally meet.

But it still annoys me. Just grow some f~~~ing b~~~~ and put things in the diary without permission.

You won’t change them they can only want to change themselves. You can just keep planting the red-pill seed like you have been doing.
Once they realize their “b~~~~” are in a jar somewhere kept by their wives maybe then they do something about it.

As for me : I got a pair hanging…. (and I’m damn proud of it too !)

Marry again, Hell NO ! ( Even JESUS was hung on a cross just once)

PistolPete
PistolPete
Participant

This article was posted on MGTOW about two years ago. I really liked it and saved it. This seems an appropriate time/place for it:

The Generation Of Women Who Will Age Alone
One of the saddest parts of the feminist ideology to watch unfold for every man who is awakened to its true resultant fruits, is knowing that so many women who have become drunken from this particular challis will most likely end up completely alone and on their own as they grow through old age. These awakened men, all MGTOW included, will see the smugness of any young woman or even a woman up to middle age, of her absolute certainty that the lifestyle she is living and the beliefs she adheres to, will somehow bring her happiness and fulfillment in life, and that some master plan of hypergamous mating strategy will eventually come to fruition. These same awakened men who know the ugly truth, which is that for most of these women the exact opposite will be true: their plans will fail; and if by chance they did find a good man willing to join with her, these same women will most likely sabotage their own futures then too.
So many women now are living lives that are thoroughly destructive towards the family, and which are in opposition to every building block of the family unit, that family itself is being taken away from such women, as it cannot exist in such a ideologically toxic vacuum.
So many women have been served up a predesigned set of beliefs that are often completely destructive and which goes against any normal methodology to achieve any type of meaningful life at all. Beliefs which declare outright hostility towards everything in life that has any value.
From mass casual encounters, to serial monogamy, careerism, hating men, disposing of men on a whim, constant monkey-branching, rebelling against the strength of family structures, false accusations against men, attempting to be as men, delaying marriage, delaying children, deliberately ending pregnancies on a whim, the explosion of false accusations against men, destroying husbands, destroying marriages and the resultant lifelong deterioration of the wellbeing of the children… the list could go on. All of these beliefs and practices being taught to women under the guise of their freedom and rights, will in fact, and does every day, only bring misery, chaos, harm and societal and family breakdown.
Nothing good comes from any of it.
And for the individual woman who has bought into these carefully crafted ideologies, so many can expect unhappy marriages, broken marriages, multiple marriages, never to be married, children who have run amok, children who are broken for life, or no children at all. With the family breakdown, comes loneliness, despondency, and having nothing in this life which is of any value at all, and when they search for meaning in this life they can look everywhere around them and never find anything at all.
THE EARLY YEARS ABUNDANCE TO MID YEARS DROUGHT
Sure, in the early years with her beauty and her financial freedom, and her freedom to do exactly as she pleases without any consequences at all, life can seem very good and very rewarding and unending in its immense possibilities. Everything they were told seems to hold true, and then some. They fight for their rights, they spread their beliefs, they push the boundaries as far as they can possibly go, and they get away with absolutely everything. Life is good being a modern woman. Until… the wakeup call comes.
It begins in late 20s to early 30s, and only gets worse every year after that, as the urgency of their fast disappearing life-hopes worsens every day.
The men are gone, and almost all others have stopped looking or giving any attention to them at all; their mating choices have dried up to near nothing to choose from. All that worth of being a special snowflake for so many years has now gone; she realizes she wasn’t that special after all and that men were only reacting to her youth and beauty. She may have had children or not, she may have been married and divorced or never married at all; yet today she is alone, if she even bothered having children they are now ostracized from her or don’t even exist; and she now realizes that she will spend the rest of her life alone. There is no man, no husband of her youth, no-one who cares anything at all about her, she eats dinners alone, wanders aimlessly around her home alone, goes to the movies alone, she looks after herself when she is unwell, her home is in disrepair, simple jobs around the home never get done.
She realizes the stark ugly truth that that nobody loves her, nobody cares, her life on this earth has no meaning or worth to anyone in this world. She has her other single girlfriends who are in the same predicament, who all say how much they love each other; but she knows this love is a love of convenience of lost souls keeping each other company, and that it is very shallow.
Desperately she looks in every direction to find meaning, worth and love in her life, and finds none at all. Nobody on this earth loves her. Nobody calls her Mom, nobody calls her Grandma, nobody calls her Aunt, nobody calls her wife, no man is there to protect her at night, no man to lay next to for love and comfort during the night, no companion, no-one to share meals with, no compassion, no-one to share life’s journeys and struggles with, no-one to help when she is in need, no-one to comfort her at times of loss. Her nights are eerily quiet and so lonely that she feels like she only wants to die, what hope is there, what purpose is there, where is there any meaning anywhere in this world for her?
THE ALWAYS REPEATING ONLINE DATING DEBACLE
In her desperation to find love and meaning, she joins a dating site and is instantly inundated with messages. Wow she really is popular after all, she is worthwhile, and there is not only hope but an abundance of choice of men who all want her! Joy. And with this huge choice of men wanting her, she knows she deserves only the best of the best. Quickly she begins to filter out every man who is below her standards; normal decent good men are trashed because they just aren’t as hot or as wealthy as the other men wanting her. Wannabe suitors who are declared too short as they are under 6.0’ are told to F-OFF, no way is she going to compromise for the dregs. Working men are to be made a mockery of, after all: how dare they think they are worthy enough of this high demand princess. So she begins a series of flings with the muscle men, the younger men, the richer men, the hot men. She is used up time and time again and dumped and dumped again. She finally realizes she’s been deluding herself, she was repeatedly used as a cheap dumpster and thrown away afterwards, and it happened every single time. She realizes she was a cheap easy mark for these hawt guys and she never had a hope at all. Oh what a fool she was. She looks around at those ‘other guys’ who were interested in her and who may have been the real deal after all and her best hope of finding love and companionship. She reaches out to a couple of these men, and they block her. She eventually closes her account. She is still alone, she knows she will stay alone. However now she has just been repeatedly used up and spat out like trash by any number of men, she feels dirty and never speaks a word of it, lest she is found out and shamed. Behind her she has left a raft of men more embittered at modern women than they were before, men who are now more likely to see all women as being of incredibly poor quality and men now determined never to get into any relationship with any woman. She realizes that many of the men who did try to get to know her genuinely and who she so ruthlessly annihilated; could have been a perfect man for her. And now she is still alone, and will stay alone, she had a wonderful opportunity and she blew it big time!
MEMORIES OF DAYS PAST AND HOPE LOST
She powers down her laptop, messages a few single girlfriends, opens a bottle of wine, and sits in silence at her kitchen table, not knowing how any of this could have happened, as she asks herself “what’s wrong with me”, “why doesn’t anyone want me”. Her tears flow again, she knows she has no hope left, she will be alone for the rest of her life, that this very night is doomed to be repeated forever until the last breath she takes.
She remembers all those men who wanted her in her youth, who would do all the goofy things to get her attention, men who did want to get to know the real her and possibly take her as wife, she remembers all the ‘nice guys’ she blew off with such cruelty and humor, she remembers most of the men she has slept with in her youth and how cool they all were. She knows all of it is now passed forever. Her choices now and forever have little more than to do with going to work every day, forever, and coming home alone. To nothing.
Does this woman ever finally wake up to the lies she was told her entire life? Lies that have turned her life into an enormous train-wreck and which have left her in this predicament, where she is only 40 and has another 40 years to go, alone. That she completely trashed her entire life within the span of only a few years. Will she ever wake up to the truth of the lies she was told?
When she meets MGTOW, or other good decent men who want absolutely no association with her and most certainly will never entertain any notion of ever marrying her: with she get it?
Who knows.
Maybe. Maybe not.
Maybe it will be filed away under ‘mens fault’, ‘patriarchy’, or ‘all men are bad’, or the forever classic ‘where have all the good men gone’. Maybe it just wasn’t her destiny.
THE BRUTAL UGLY TRUTH
The truth is that she was sold an ideology from her very youngest tender years, via a system that was used to program her to go against everything within her own female nature, to hate everything which is good and to love everything which is destructive. A set of beliefs she was told were her right, that there was something wrong with her if she went against these beliefs. An ideology which became so ingrained into the core of her thinking that she may not even realize that every decision she has made in her life was based on this very indoctrination. That she has been programmed, from youth, to destroy herself, to destroy men, to destroy family, and which can only then destroy society and civilization itself as the natural end result.
Will she ever get it?
Will she ever understand?
Will she ever begin to wake up other girls to the dangers that lay in wait for them?
Or will she continue to drink the poison which has rotted every aspect of her entire life?
Who knows.
And throughout this entire process, the men who themselves are awakened, which by default does include MGTOW, can see everything that has been going on. They see the young 20 year old and know whats going through her mind, the same goes for the 30 year old woman, the 40 year old woman, and the 56 year old woman. They know the decisions these women are making and how those decisions will affect their lives in just a few short years. And these men see the women who have crossed that final barrier of acceptance of what has become of their lives, of the look of forever lost hope that seeps from every fiber of the being of the women who could have had so much happiness throughout their entire lives, and to still be living that happiness to this very day, yet time and time and time again, these women threw it all away, on a whim, for nothing.
This is the generation of women who will age and die alone, likely alone for the majority of the time they are alive on this earth, with only a lifetime of repeated trauma, pain and disasters to look back on in their memories, while desperately trying to always shift blame onto others for the outcomes of their own life decisions they chose for themselves at every step of the way.
And for those who did not end up alone and who are still married, what is left behind in their own lives? Trauma, bad or loveless marriages, fighting, bickering, broken and lost children, a history of adultery, illegitimate children? And what hope of the future but more of the past, and of a marriage without love or respect, nor which is even at all functional… for we all know that what goes on behind closed doors is never what is aired out in public. Or what we may each see should those doors be opened to these marriages that are ongoing when these same women who have become drunk from the same poisoned chalice have a willing man at their disposal who is willing or is forced to continue to live with her and the toxic beliefs she continues to be spoon-fed on a daily basis.
Both men and women of today’s society can indeed be a sad sight to behold.
At least for men, they have MGTOW, they have a shared understanding of truth, of wisdom, of a new way to understand the madness which goes on all around them every day. Men going their own way are awakened. When will women likewise begin to awaken and to throw away that poisoned chalice?
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IMickey503
iMickey503
Participant

Of course it’s a war. And they are winning in many respects. The only refuge today for young men is technology. Until there is a mass hysteria by men and a country that celebrates masculinity in the whole, there is never going to be anything done about it from a global standpoint.

We have to come to terms with something here. Men are always going to be at war. Be it by guns or the pen. It is a war.

And there is one very good reason why a real world war will not happen again. It would serve to invite men everywhere. That is something that has to be avoided. Hence why there is no outcry over things happening around the world like there use to be.

Again, Men all over will just quietly accept this. Its just how it is.

The only real solution is to take back politics, but then again, how are you going to change things now? We now have proof that men are just giving up. There is no reason to bother with changing anything if others seem to be happy to be just left alone.

The more you try to look into this the more you will see that the only thing that is going to happen is that more men will see what is around them and avoid it. That is all men can do.

Since there is no profit motive in defending men’s rights, there is never going to be any fanfare.

Think about it. These female politicians are using terms like manslapning. And nothing is happening. How about shaming people for affairs? This hardly ever comes up with women, but its normal to blame a man for this.

If the man is single, his life will also be called to question. The idea here is to keep a man vulnerable. Hence why they want to encourage marriage. If you have a man’s hands tied behind his back there is a real problem with a man like that being able to interfere with any plans going on.

But as you know, many of today’s men are stuck with families, and this really limits them to change anything.

Add in a woman, to the mix, and the dynamic changes. What man would think that protecting women is not a priority? We all thought that way at one time. It made sense.

The dogma behind it is that good men would not do that. But it never crossed our minds that women can be evil or do wrong.

Even women in the past that have done horrible things are just forgotten about. But men are always remembered and accounted for when failures occur, or even when political ideas are brought up to be questioned.

Men are in a losing battle for the long run. Its going to take some kind of real issue that affects all women first before men’s issues ever become a thing to even talk about.

When men start leaving the workplace, and there are no men that are willing to sacrifice anymore, and women are finally seen as men’s equals, then and only then will there be any talk of changing the dialogue about what is happening to men.

In a nutshell, when boys and men prefer the company of artificial women to real women. Follow that with the lack of caring what happens to women. And therefore the funding dries up for women’s causes.

When there is no longer a financial incentive to help women. Only then will things START to swing the other way.

The only thing we can hope for in the next 10 years is going to be more males leaving the system. And showing how good life is without the BS of female leadership or female groups.

When robots and AI start to run things, the long awaited equally windows will be set.

Like I said, it’s going to take something like accusing a robot of being sexist to make people start laughing at women universally over their idea.

Until they are seen as just what they are. There can be little to no change.

Again, what the elites in the AI world are warning people about is that when they take over, political power is going to fade away as well. You can’t scare a robot. You can’t make people believe a robot has bias. And when all the arguments of race or gender fade away, what will people do?

When there is no one else left to blame, there is going to be a real issue to deal with.

What do you do as a woman when you no longer have the sympathy card. Or the race card. Or any cards you can use? If you no longer can use the sex card. And you are no longer even useful for having children. And men overall and WOMEN do not gain anything from catering to you. And jobs can not be made to cater to your fears.. THEN WHAT?

That is what it is going to take. When MEN and WOMEN overall see the nonsense of what has happned.

When women have become obsolete. That’s when things are going to change. its already here btw. Men are just slowly trying to perfect the robots and try to get them into the real working world.

Men on the other hand don’t have much to worry about. Robots can do women’s jobs PERFECTLY. What are women going to do to stop this? Nothing.

When they can not use their feelings to attack logic. Its a problem. Women know this. And that is why they are scrambling for control in the political system.

You are all alone. If you have been falsely accused of RAPE, DV, PLEASE let all men know about the people who did this. http://register-her.net/web/guest/home

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SwampFoot
SwampFoot
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here is the letter from the “a concerned green beret”. decide for yourself what it is really all about. the cancer has now penetrated our most elite units…

To our fellow Active Duty and Veteran Green Berets,

Our Regiment has a cancer, and it is destroying the SF legacy, its capability, and its credibility.

SWCS has devolved into a cesspool of toxic, exploitive, biased and self-serving senior Officers who are bolstered by submissive, sycophantic, and just-as-culpable enlisted leaders. They have doggedly succeeded in two things; furthering their careers, and ensuring that Special Forces more prolific, but dangerously less capable than ever before. Shameless and immodest careerism has, in no uncertain terms, effectively destroyed our ability to assess, train, and prepare students, or to identify those students that pose very real risk to Operational Detachments. I cannot stress how systematic and severe the effects on the force will be if the standards, recently implemented here in the Special Forces Qualification Course, remain in place.

We consistently and concretely identify dozens of graduates every year who are incapable of ever being ‘value-added’ to ODA’s yet are pushed forward to you. THAT NUMBER IS SET TO RISE DRAMATICALLY in the very near future. To clarify, we instructors recognize that none of us graduating the Q-Course were fully competent Green Berets when we first arrived to our teams. We are also acutely aware that senior generations derisively judging their juniors is a tradition as old as humanity. So this address is not being written because ‘cherries are so much more cherry than we were when we were cherries’. We do not expect them to be assets yet, we only expect that they possess the basic qualities necessary to become assets. I am asking for 20 minutes of your time because many students graduating the Q-course now do not possess those qualities and, from this moment forward, determining if ANY students possess them is not possible. The actions of SWCS leadership have created a new era of Special Forces that are; increasingly incapable of actualizing SOF attributes; markedly and demonstrably weaker; and quantifiably projecting measurable risk and liability onto the teammates with which they serve. Before this paradigm shift, cadre due diligence was capable of some risk mitigation in these aspects. We could, did, and often still do reach back to teams and prepare them for those [inevitable] outliers that slip through the course unimpeded due to cronysim, nepotism, or malfeasance. But the recent systematic dismissal of course standards and continous violation of regulations at the Training Group and SWCS echelons makes student failure nigh impossible. Assessing, Identifying, and mitigating prolonged individual performance has historically been a cornerstone of the pipleline. That has been provably replaced with willful mediocrity. This climate has been empowered by a feckless, selfish, and recreant command ideology, set into motion by MG Linder and COL Lock, and actualized by MG Sonntag, CSM Arrowsmith, COL Kornburger, and CSM Berkibile.

In the last 24 months, Commanders and/or Sergeants Major at the Group and SWCS level have systematically removed numerous fundamental SF standards, lowered and undermined the grading metrics for others, all while simultaneously ensuring that a gagged cadre population was expressly prohibited from holding students accountable for their academic, physical, and character performance. Obviously, this concerns those of us whom are returning to Group. We have an understandably vested interest in developing the best new teammates we possibly can, for we will be serving alongside them. The issue is that career-focused leaders, far removed from team life, have no ‘skin in the game’ and thus do not concern themselves with the problems inherent in employing subpar soldiers in a no-fail environment: where individual limitation creates team-wide catastrophe, often with international repercussions. Their responsibilities involve ensuring that yearly graduation quotas are met and that political agendas are enforced. They do not concern themselves with ensuring that students are capable of surviving the rigors of combat, and in all fairness they shouldn’t. That is the cadre’s mantle to bear. Ignorance of their interference in this endeavor might be forgivable, but they have been told by the operational force numerous times what issues these policies would create, and chose career progression instead. As you will read, this moral cowardice started in the preceding command, and is shared by every current Commander and Sergeant Major at the Group and SWCS level. When one of our cadre addressed these concerns (with examples) directly to the SWCS leadership in an open forum, CSM David Gibb’s (at the time the SWCS CSM) response was verbatim:

“We push some of these issues forward [to the Regiment] because we believe that the Groups can succeed in fixing those problem graduates when they arrive. That is an amount of risk we willingly accept, because after all it’s much easier to get a tab removed at Group if he doesn’t pan out, than to risk relieving what’s basically a fully qualified student who might have been able to fix himself and become a solid Green Beret.”

Specifically, he was defending the decision to graduate a student that had failed the final graduation SFPA (Special Forces Physical Assessment) five times on the 40-minute 5-mile run. He finally passed on the 6th attempt: coming in 12 seconds under time, and 4 attempts past the mandatory 1-year relief dictated by regulation. Over 100 of your current teammates heard this exchange during at SLC in 2016, and can bear witness. A senior E-9, with approximately 20 years in SF, unashamedly acknowledged that reducing, and then ignoring course standards is a perfectly acceptable philosophy to embrace in pursuit of graduation numbers. His response embodied everything that is wrong with SF leadership today. Standards are being drastically reduced, and they are being done so to achieve a very acute goal, one that does not benefit or enhance the force.

So here we are, the trainers, hoping to illuminate to you, the operational force, the severity of this issue. Below, we’ve illustrated a variety of truths to fully encompass the selfish and careerist nature of the leadership that is injecting poison into the SF foundation. This does not capture everything, only the most recent events, and should sufficiently capture the essence of the systematically detrimental change and malfeasance occurring in the SFQC. Deducing their impact on the unit is easy to the operational soldier. Unfortunately it is not to Senior leaders. So, help us to affect change. This plea is on behalf of a clear majority of your brothers who have no real power to affect change on their own. Cadre hands are increasingly tied, and yet they are regularly, randomly castrated as scapegoats for a command that often confuses blind, knee-jerk reactions with due process. SF legitimacy is fading at the hands of self-serving careerism. Commanders truly want to be recognized and rewarded for the milestones they are achieving. Please accommodate them. Spread this message, publish it, share it online, go to the press, and send it to congress. If these “leaders” so desire the recognition for what they are doing, then let us ensure they receive all of it.

I completely understand that some of those reading up to this point may be skeptical. It sounds overly dramatic, tinged with emotion, and can easily be brushed off as the ranting of some scorned, disgruntled has-been who had a bad run-in with a senior leader too many times. Here are the facts, so you can make that decision for yourself. Every single one of you out there in Group knows a brother-in-arms or 2 doing time in SWCS, if your don’t believe me, give any one of us a ring…

THE SPECIAL FORCES QUALIFICATION COURSE

We work in 1st SWTG(A) at USAJFKSWCS. There are currently about 900 GB’s on the roster, and we account for and/or train every single one of the (roughly) 2200 students currently in the Q-course. As a refresher for those of you who have been away for a while, here is a breakdown of what were (key word) the major training requirements that students were were to pass to graduate each phase of the SFQC after getting selected.

o CLT: Graduate to move into the pipeline

o Special Forces Orientation Course (SFOC): Pass Phase 1
-Pass Land Navigation
-Pass Swim test
-Pass 12-mile ruck march (55 lbs dry in under 3 hours)
-Pass SFPA(57 push-ups, 66 sit-ups, 5-mile run in under 40 minutes, 1 rope climb w/25lbs vest)

o Small Unit Tactics (SUT)/SERE Pass phase 2

o MOS Pass phase 3
o ROBIN SAGE Pass phase 4
o LANGUAGE Pass phase 5

-Earn a 1+/1+ OPI in target language
-Pass graduation SFPA

o GRADUATE

Notes:

o The SFOC SFPA and the LANGUAGE SFPA are the only physical requirements enforced in the SFQC, as in they are the only PT events they can be relieved for.

o Failure of any 1 event on the SFPA is a recycle of that phase. Failure on any retest is by-regulation at least an automatic 1-year relief from the SFQC.

o Relief boards are held for all academic or attribute failures in all phases. Even if a relief is mandated by regulation, every instructor must justify why a student warrants relief or retention (e.g. 3x UXO failure, 6x late to formation, any SOF attribute violation, etc.). At the relief board, 15+ instructors and the Battalion Command team review every case, and debate what the punishment should be, and after everyone says their piece, the Battalion Commander makes his decision. Any appeals go directly to the Group Commander, and ALL NTR’s go to the Group Commander.

o Keep in mind, the SFQC goal for graduating Special Forces Green Berets is 550 Active Duty Enlisted (ADE) every year. More importantly, the SFQC produces on-average between 400-470 ADE annually. This is…very important to say the least.

PAVING THE WAY FOR THE FIRST FEMALE GREEN BERET

I hesitate to begin on this axis, but it warrants the most illumination. To be clear, this is in no way a commentary on the debate concerning the efficacy of women serving in Special Forces. The Regiment’s attitude is clear, the debate is a heated one, and both sides of the aisle have documented numerous credible arguments. That is a separate discussion entirely. Regardless of one’s opinion on the topic, a universally accepted truth recognized by all parties is that if women yearn to join the force, they should meet the same standards achieved by those men they wish to serve with. This is where no reasonable person disagrees. No one has said “If they want to join, give them a lower standard so they can join.” Yet this is exactly where the current leadership has taken it upon themselves to inject an end state no one wants, to achieve personal endeavors that benefit no one. They have stated through continuous action and policy implementation that they do not want women to meet the standard. What they want, is to markedly lower the standards enough to ensure that any woman attempting this path will have absolutely no issue achieving it. They have said time and again that they want to maintain the standards, but have continuously lowered, and now eliminated them. Consider the time-line of events:

o June 2015: SFOC has unanimous support at every level of command. Land nav, 12-mile, Swim, and SFPA all in full effect and standards are enforced. Historically all incoming command teams visit each phase of the course to get a capabilities brief. All sections spend time briefing.

o July 2015: Incoming upper-echelon command teams conduct first walk through of 4th Battalion, 3 hours is spent with SFOC cadre determining the ‘viability and value’ of training provided there: A discussion never before tabled. No other phases are visited or brief.

o February 2016: DoD Directive for SOF to integrate women into SOF is mandated down to the lowest levels.

o July 2016: Incoming Group/SWCS command teams conduct first walk-through of 4th BN. Entire time is spent with SFOC cadre determining the ‘viability and value’ of training provided. No other phases brief.

o August 2016: All phases are command directed to provide student critiques of training. Guidance from A Co 1SG is that they are for “leadership input”.

o January 2017: The first female attends SFAS. She is medically dropped during land nav (severe injury during prolonged rucking event).

o January 2017: SFOC student critiques are requested at the SWCS command level, the first time in history.

o February 2017-forward: SWCS level command request only negative feedback critiques from SFOC.

o June 2017: Incoming SWCS command team conducts first walk-through of unit. No phases brief.

o July 2017: 13 SFOC students transported to hospital for training related injuries, five are admitted (injuries during SFOC range from 7-25). ALL SFQC units put on a safety stand-down to “reassess training”.

o July 2017: MG Sonntag dismisses all SFOC testable events. Students will take the physical tests, but they can no longer be relieved for them as they are considered diagnostics. Students can no longer fail SFOC except for Voluntarily Withdrawing or getting injured.

-SUT can only accommodate 120 students so company leadership introduces a point system for the above events to determine the top 120 students who will move forward from SFOC to SUT.

-MG Sonntag conducts an all-command-teams meeting to discuss the way ahead. The point system is disregarded. Instead, SUT is command directed to now accommodate 240 students. The typical SFOC class starts with 160-250 students, so this ensures all students that start SFOC can move on to SUT without isssue now that there are no standards set in place to fail them.

o September 2017: All graded SFQC PT events including the SFPA, APFT, diagnostic APFT’s, and Diagnostic SFPA’s still banned from being conducted.

-Revision introduced that there will be ZERO graded physical events in the SFQC between the months of June and August.

o October 2017: Town hall meeting with cadre: CSM Arrowsmith assures every single cadre present that the standards are not going to be changed, and that the standards will not be lowered. Cadre bring up the issue that removing the gates in SFOC effectively eliminates all standards. He insist that those standards will be moved to language phase. Although there was massive outcry, some semblance of peace was restored when it was insisted that, although the gates had been moved to language and effectively cut the amount of graded events in half, the students would have to pass them AT LEAST ONCE in order to graduate the Q- course. “Standards did still exist.”

o October 2017: A follow up Town hall meeting is called last minute: MG Sonntag used is face time with the cadre to repeat exactly what CSM Arrowsmith said in the previous town hall. He assured the cadre that standards would remain in place.

o November 2017: An ordeal occurs with students in language phase. They are forced to show up for an additional PT formation due to numerous absences (discussed below). After this, a command directive is put out across SWCS: there will no longer be remedial training or physical punishment for student infractions. Only counseling or UCMJ action is to be taken.

o November 2017: The culmination: It has just been announced that graduation for students will be held immediately after they graduate Robin Sage. Language phase is no longer a requirement for graduation. Aside from passing selection, there are LITERALLY no physical gates or standards required of students in order for them to graduate the Special Forces Qualification Course.

This is the state of the entire SFQC as it stands today. Students do not need to be able to pass a 2-mile run at an 80% standard. They do not need to pass a 5-mile run in under 40 minutes. They do not need to be able to pass a 12-mile ruck march in under 3 hours. They are not required to find ANY points during their land nav training and assessment. They do not need to be able to perform 8 pull-ups. They do not need to be able to perform 57 push-ups, or 66 sit-ups. They no longer need to be able to climb a 15 foot rope with weight on. Students are no longer administered any form of physical or administrative punishment. After passing a 19-ish day selection process, there are no physical barriers to earning the coveted Green Beret. These all were standards for EVERY Green Beret in modern history prior to this month. To say that standards have not been eliminated would be laughable, were it not so tragic.

MG Sonntag and COL Kornburger have been transparent in their motivations. The moment they took command, their primary motivation for making changes to the SFQC was to acquire ‘Multi-star Potential’ on their OERs, They pursued this by, first, ensuring that the Q-course graduation rate was raised so they could lay claim to making the Q course more efficient and, second, ensuring that the standards were lowered so as to make certain that the first women able to pass selection would have the best possible chance of making it through the grueling 14 month (at it’s quickest) pipeline practically unimpeded. Being able to say they graduated the first female Green Beret is a milestone no officer (devoid of principles, that is) can possibly pass up. SFOC had the strictest requirements and the highest attrition rate, almost entirely physical in nature. They practically did away with it. They placated cadre, and the force as a whole, with promises of enforcing those standards in language. They assured instructors and battalion leaders that the relief decisions at the board would be supported. But in 85% of all NTR’s or 2 year relief appeals sent to them, they reversed the decision and put them back into training. They set the stage for mediocrity well before they made it official, pulling the rug out from under the force only once all the pieces set in motion 2 years ago were finally in place. There is not a single operator at the battalion level or below in all of SF that thinks this move is a forward one for the Regiment. But those concerns fall on deaf ears.

Although spineless, cowards are smart. They have learned from Ranger School’s previous ordeal. They won’t have to defend (real or perceived, I have no first-hand knowledge of how the female ranger graduates were treated) accusations of “ad hoc” lowering of standards or preferential treatment for women who brave SF training. No, the standards will have been lowered well beforehand. All accusations of preferential treatment or double standards will fall by the wayside when these ‘standards’ set forth have already been deemed the “status quo” well before their arrival. The cruelty of the situation is that any woman with the fortitude to attempt this training would most definitely have wanted the standards to remain the same. It is reasonable to assume they would have wanted to test their metal against the historical standards and ensured they were every bit as capable as the men they aspire to serve next to. It is a point of pride to know you are every bit as capable as the best of the best, IF you can do it. But they have been robbed of the ability to earn that achievement. Knowing there are officially no physical barriers to earning the Green Beret cheapens the experience for everyone involved, including the population it is misguidedly meant to assist.

The fact of the matter is that the Q-course today is markedly, measurably easier to skate through (I do not use that term lightly) than ever before. As long as one shows up for training, there is virtually no way to fail this training. MG Sonntag said it best: “Once they’ve been selected, there is no reason they should fail a single portion of the Q-course.”

He willfully disregards the vital failure rate the Q-course creates by identifying those that were never cut-out for Special Forces. A Green Beret is much more than just a person that can gut-out 19 days of suck. They are intelligent, responsible, mature, clever, work well with others, and capable of adapting to any situation. They embody the SOF attributes. And these attributes are nigh impossible to assess in a 19-day selection, but absolutely critical to discerning before going to a team.

IN PURSUIT OF NUMBERS

o Voluntary Withdrawals (VW). 1SG (soon to be SGM) Steven Mcdavid, mandated immediately upon his arrival that EVERY SINGLE VW in the SFQC talk to him before attending the relief board. In every single case, his express goal was to talk the VW out of quitting. He had a roughly 90% success rate in this endeavor. Yes, there are roughly 15-20 students who have graduated in the last year alone, Green Berets, who have shown a COMPLETE lack of perseverance and have quit on their teammates during training, who are currently operating in real world environments. Those that were convinced to stay had their VW statements shredded and thrown in the trash. The TAC’s that owned them were directed to delete their VW SASs (documents that record student actions), and they did not go before a relief board. The only VWs that went before the relief board did so when 1SG McDavid was absent, and cadre were able to expedite the process.

o COL Kornburger communicated his ideology immediately to the cadre upon taking command. His visit to a June 2017 Special Operations Instructor Course is where he laid out his philosophy, and what he truly things instructors are meant to do:

o “you are not here to assess students, they were assessed in selection, they are with you to train”

o “If a student fails in the Q Course, it is because you are a failure as an instructor”

o “There is not reason a student coming out of selection should fail any part of any phase of the SFQC”

Indeed, a student who fails the SFPA a total of 7 times, or recycles the 18C course 6 times, or is caught cheating 2 times, or attempts to blackmail instructors into passing him, or commits fratricide in a training environment (these are all actual examples), are all failures on the instructors part…with no exception.

o The SWCS leadership tasked several individuals in 1st SWTG(A) with combing through every single student in the OT pool, who hadn’t already left on orders, to assess who could be reinserted back into training immediately. To date, dozens of students who were only 2-3 months into 1 or 2 year relief sentences were brought back and reinserted into training where they had left off. They are ramping this operation up, and have identified as many as 1/3 of the students, who have been dropped, for immediately reinsertion into training.

o During a command meeting (the same one that dismissed all physical standards in SFOC) COL Kornburger command directed that a 92% graduation rate is his newly implemented standard for the SFQC. To note, there has never been a command mandated pass rate before. There is now. All subordinate commanders were tasked with ensuring that the SFQC met these numbers. We have been told time and again by every other previous commander/csm that standards, and not numbers, are what matters. We knew these were lies because command always spoke to the contrary, but at least they were ATTEMPTING to placate us. Now the leadership is not even trying. 92% is the prime directive from current leadership, not the quality of graduates moving out to Group.

o Another directive that came out of the above command meeting: students conducting training (IN ALL PHASES), will be carrying less weight during the summer months. The initial number thrown around was 45LBS versus the standard 55LBS. COL Kornburger, truly a visionary, seems to think that students should learn that in combat its ok to adjust mission requirements to the heat. What is more, we have a Commander who wants to ensure that we cadre don’t know if students can handle THE BARE MINIMUM during higher temperatures. Instead, the teams will find out that a soldier can not tolerate the heat in the middle of Afghanistan or Iraq, when they collapse the first time they are faced with physical adversity. That is an inevitability, because students will not be seeing any physical adversity here in the SFQC.

o As of July 2017, the incredibly risk-averse COL Kornburger directed that all SFQC graded physical training cease. The stated reason was a series of 4 Heat related injuries during one SFPA, and 13 heat related hospital trips during one land-navigation iteration. While that sounds concerning, put in perspective these are below average numbers. Summer classes routinely see double and triple these numbers. This knee-jerk reaction by gutlessly risk-averse commanders has delayed or completely cancelled well over a dozen previously scheduled events that affect the training and qualification of well over a quarter of all the students in training.

o A number of SFOC cadre identified over a dozen cached GPS devices along the SFOC Land Nav lanes, and identified several students violating integrity. This was brought before senior leadership. SFOC cadre wanted to address the issue, which would have meant numerous recycles and/or possible reliefs. In response to such a massive loss of trainees the CSM response was succinct: “I personally don’t mind, I would actually kind of want these guys on my team, if you ain’t cheating, you ain’t trying”. Regardless of your opinions on that sentiment, if you get caught cheating, you should deal with the consequences.

CADRE AS SCAPE GOATS

o SFC Barbecho, a Language TAC at the time, was reported multiple times by his students for conducting PT that was “too hard”. He would routinely take the students on runs ranging between 6-12 miles, personally leading the way each time. The BN CSM Martin at the time, directed him to stop, not once asking him for an explanation or allowing him to defend his training regimen. He was later reported again, this time for making students do push-ups on concrete “while it was hot outside.” Despite student complaints, no medical issues were identified or reported. He was reprimanded, without a single cadre being asked for an explanation, and based solely on student complaints. Regardless, he mitigated concerns and catered to the students, mandating that gloves be worn for follow on sessions. He also participated in all corrective training after that. He was shortly there-after relieved of his position and reassigned to a different company. He, nor any other cadre, was given an opportunity to speak on his behalf. Students for the first time in SFQC history verifiably understood that by anonymously complaining to the command, they could get cadre fired, and would not have to endure “harder or perceived unnecessary training.”

o SFC Geeseman routinely physically prepared students getting ready to go to selection. He would constantly have students ruck, run, and do team oriented events to prepare them physically. During one such training event, a student went down as a heat casualty. The medics on standby gave him IV’s, and moved him to Womack. Womack medical personnel failed to properly assess the patient, and gave him additional IV’s, more than was necessary. The student ended up losing part of his foot due to Womack’s error. Leadership, spearheaded BN CSM Martin, GRP CDR Col Lock, and SWCS CDR MG Linder, tried to fry SFC Geeseman for absolutely no reason other than to make someone take full blame for the incident. An incident, by the way, that is very common in training here. He did nothing wrong, and the ensuing IG complaint verified this. This did not stop the command from pursuing a GOMAR. This incident paved the way for a complete cessation of physical training in the Q-course.

o SFC Jackson, a language TAC, was administering routine PT one morning, on a Thursday before a 4-day weekend. During this particular formation roughly 1/3 of the students decided, for whatever reason, not to show up or at least call in during accountability. SFC Jackson, understandably, decided to address the issue. He decided to have another PT formation at 0600 on a Friday. This would not interfere with his class, as even though it was a four day, all of his students still had language class on that day. He also revoked *1* student’s 4-day pass, as that student had been a repeat offender. Because of this, several students walked straight over to the SWCS HQ building (Bryant Hall), and complained to the highest echelon they could. SFC Jackson was called into CSM Arrowsmith’s office immediately. His company and battalion leadership went as well. As a result of this meeting. SFC Jackson was relieved of his position as TAC. During the entire meeting, CSM Arrowsmith did not point out a single ‘actual’ wrong-doing on SFC Jackson’s part, only that ‘several students had complained’. He also made it clear that, should this happen to other instructors, they would be fired as well. It can not be stressed enough, SFC Jackson was excersing BASIC NCO professional development, well within Army regulation, and was fired for doing so.

o SFC Squires was newly placed as a TAC in SUT/SERE phase. He immediately started a PT program in which he routinely worked out with his students. During one session conducted at Towle stadium, he was reported “yelling” at the students (again, while PT’ing WITH them). His use of foul language resulted in him being immediately fired and moved to BN S-3. This is not hyperbole. When brought before the BN leadership, he was not once given a chance to speak, or allowed to defend his actions, he was fired based solely on what was reported by 3rd party observers. None of whom identified themselves. CSM Martin told him he would have taken his tab if given the chance, and that he disgusted him. No students had complained, and other cadre in attendance attested that while cussing was present, no demonstrably unprofessional behavior was exhibited. Shortly after this, all remedial corrective training was banned in 4th BN/1st SWTG(A). Cadre were instructed that they would be fired if caught punishing students through physical corrective training. Commanders used this incident to ensure that there would be a complete lack of student accountability through corrective training. There are entire classes that have graduated who went through the entire Q-course having never undergone a single physical event for failing to follow instructions, lying to instructors, or a myriad of other attributes failures.

COMMAND FAVORTISM

o SPC Thomas was an 18B trainee. He was first caught attempting to bribe an instructor with beer, and then later had a panic attack during an AAR while in the 18B FTX. During his relief board counseling, he attempted to blackmail 18B cadre by telling them that if relieved and returned to his unit, he would have to annotate that he witnessed the instruction of secret/noforn course material to international students. This was a completely fabricated event, and later verified as untrue via internal investigation. He then went behind his TAC’s back and, because he had a very good working relationship with his NG Group Commander, produced a memo directing his reclassification as an 18E. Despite all of these acts, he was not relieved, but was given a recycle into the 18E course. He would fail the SFPA and retest twice before being graduated.

o “Desk-side boards” happen all the time. When the BN command team knows that a decision they are going to make involving a student will be highly unpopular amongst Cadre, they don’t bring the student before the ‘public’ relief board (where all Cadre/TACs/Instructors offer points of view weight in on the decision). They set aside a time and the student privately sees the BC one-on-one, to receive a decision. These boards rarely involve enlisted students, and are almost entirely decisions to keep 4, 5, or 6 time academic or SFPA failures in training. These desk-side boards were used by previous commanders during training lulls where only 1 or 2 students were up for relief, but have currently become a go-to for unpopular decisions. They are now a tool to reduce the amount of students who would otherwise have become de-facto reliefs at the board.

o SFC Jimenez failed to earn a 1+/1+ in his language during language phase. He was allowed to graduate with his class. He has stated numerous times that he has several friends working in Bryant Hall directly under MG Sontagg. MG Sontagg was the authority that allowed SFC Jimenez to walk across the stage having failed the 1+/1+ standard.

o SGT Larios was given an NTR for nearly a dozen infractions during his tenure in the SFQC. The one that got him an NTR involved lying to cadre multiple times in conjunction with failing to report and failing to follow instructions. Approximately 1 month after being given an NTR, he was reinserted into training.

o CPT Mulholland (related to GEN Mulholland) was given an ARSOF NTR for his performance during the 18A course. He talked directly with the BN leadership, and was given an audience with the Group commander the next day (this process usually takes weeks). His ARSOF NTR was overturned, and he was allowed to attend CA selection the next class. He was attached to 4th BN so that he would not have to go through the normal process of moving to SPT BN and pursuing the CA application process there.

o CPT Beasley was given an ARSOF NTR for his VW during ROBIN SAGE. COL Lock granted his appeal and gave him a 1-year relief from the SFQC. Instead of being out-processed and sent on assignment, he was kept in 4th BN to work in one of the battalion shops. He completed “110 hours of SOCEP training” in less than 1 month, and he was then immediately reinserted into training by COL Lock. He VW’d again several days after returning to training.

o CPT Vasiliv was a VW out of ROBIN SAGE who quit on his team during training. He was brought before the 1st BN Commander, LTC Wheeler in a closed-door personal meeting for over an hour. After he exited, he had “decided” that he wanted to continue in the SFQC, and graduated the phase with his class.

o SSG Ontiveros has been in med hold for almost a year. All students are required to be administratively dropped if held out of training longer than 90 days.

o SSG Conklin was a 4 x SFPA failure who was put up for relief. He was never able to pass the “1x 15’ rope climb with 25LBS weight vest”. He was “tested on the rope climb” by 1SG Mcdavid…on a Sunday…with no cadre present. He miraculously passed and graduated with the next class.

o SSG Baker was given an NTR. COL Lock reversed his decision to NTR SSG Baker, who would go on to fail SUT. SSG Baker is currently in training. Not related, SSG Baker has family connections in SF which COL Lock is aware of.

o CPT Jimenez, currently in 7th Group, was the single source of several 4th Battalion investigations. He wrote anonymous emails, started IG complaints, or propagated rumors about virtually every single phase of the SFQC. His continual fabrications were verifiably false, and his numerous accusations resulted in several investigations that hampered operations for over a dozen cadre and battalion leadership. Literally every accusation he levied was proven inaccurate or untrue. But as a student, he was given complete top cover and left unimpeded to continue creating havoc, and was not held accountable for the numerous integrity violations he committed. He graduated with his peers.

o SGT Winfield was under investigation for a discrepancy in his clearance paperwork prior to entering the SFQC. He was brought before 1SG Mcdavid and told that if he did not rebut, he would be given a LOR that would be locally filed, would disappear once he left the SFQC, and that he would be put back into training. Deciding he was undeniably innocent, he stated his intent to rebut. BN CSM Pevehouse, along with 1SG Mcdavid, directed him to cut his 18-page rebuttal down to 2 pages. He was then given an LOR, but it was filed in his permanent record in his OMPF. Before company leadership changed hands, 1SG Mcdavid stated his personal intent to have SGT Winfield removed from the SFQC.

Students right now have witnessed the above transgressions. They are friends of or know every single person in each of the above cases. Students are being shown, time and time again, that the standards can be fudged. That failure is not a big deal. That if they fail they will get special treatment, or they can know the right person, or they can just try again; sometimes as often as 6 times before getting it right. We try to enforce that this is not so, that in Group you often only have one shot. But we can’t overcome the atmosphere of forgiveness and compliance that this place now breeds. The good students, through no fault of their own, don’t get taught the importance of first-time success. The bad students, visibly increasing in number, embrace it and are bringing it to Group. We are trying, but the commanders have the authority, and they are abusing it.

This is the next generation of Special Forces. In just a few years, most of our regiment will be a product of this foundation. We will become a brotherhood of parasites: devoid of any real character, feeding off of the achievements those before us earned, and consuming the heritage as a whole. We can cure it, but it needs to happen now. We need to take back ownership of our profession.

Help us fix this mess. The Regiment’s legacy depends on it.

A concerned Green Beret,

-DE OPPRESSO LIBER

#757238
Rhino
Rhino
Participant

Who is Qanon?

Q stands for Q clearance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_clearance) which is the highest top secret security designation. Anon stands for anonymous.

The person who is posting classified information (currently on 8chan boards) is a top secret military intelligence operative who is working closely with Donald Trump to combat and eliminate the Deep State and rogue elements of the CIA, NSA, DOJ, FBI, etc (pretty much all the intelligence agencies have been compromised) as well as the state department and all branches of the United States government.

It is estimated that two thirds of the entire government including senators and governors have been compromised by deep state actors and globalists like George Soros. Currently Q has posted as of today a total of 905 messages. Q started posting on October 28, 2017 on the 4chan boards but was compromised and he had to move to a more secure board to continue his work in red pilling the population to the 8chan boards.

Q likes to leave bread crumbs and is cryptic on purpose as to not tip the white hats plans (good guys, Military Intelligence) to the black hats (deep state, CIA bad actors etc). You will notice a lot of terminology he uses is vague and hard to understand and he will use coded language and initials of people’s names instead of the full name of the person.

In the 5 months that he has been posting there has been so much information and disinformation that it takes time to decode everything and you will not always find the answers right away.

Q likes to post stuff like “future proves past” or “future unlocks past” to indicate that what he posts today will be proved or better understood in the future that is why many people believe Q is legit because this has happened on many occasions. People on the 8chan research boards will ask Q to prove he is legit and he will have president Trump do stuff on live television during his speeches to show people that Q is working with Trump. You will find a lot of articles and people calling Qanon fake or a LARP designed to spread misinformation and how it is all a hoax and fake. This is in fact fake news do not believe it. Some people even on our forums still think he hasn’t proven anything yet but if they do the research they will see this is not the case.

There has been so much that has happened since Trump took office behind the scenes that it will take forever to list everything. Here is a great resource to use to start learn and read and you will be amazed at what you find. This PDF will also show step by step why Q is not fake and how he proved that he is legit. This is in PDF format and is over 500 pages long but the proof starts at the top of the first few pages. Link PDF.

I will give you some quick examples to get you intrigued as you will not find any of this information anywhere on main stream news because they are run by the CIA under Operation Mockingbird that is still being used today.

Obama was groomed from a young age by the CIA and the deep state to get into power. There was a program funded by a Saudi Prince to pick the best and brightest black person to groom them to become president. Obama was the candidate to emerge from this group. Traitor 44 (Q’s name for Obama who was the 44th president) with the help of HRC (Hillary Rodham Clinton) tried to destroy the United States from within by doing the following:

Destroy the middle class by inciting race wars, war on men, removing manufacturing jobs, and introducing carbon taxes and getting rid of coal plants to make us less competitive with China.

Attack on Libya to remove Momar Khadafi because he wanted a African gold backed currency and Libya was the gatekeeper to stop the influx of Muslims into Europe. Once he was removed the globalist plan to invade Europe with Muslims was realized.

Obama with the help of Clinton created ISIS and gave them guns along with billions of dollars in cash. Benghazi attack on the embassy was to destroy evidence of guns and money being run through there by the CIA to ISIS and that is why the ambassador had to die because he knew too much.

Bill Clinton helped North Korea build up their nuclear weapons. When Obama took over and with the help of Hillary Clinton they both helped Iran speed up their nuclear weapons program by giving rocket and other nuclear related blueprints through Operation Merlin. They gave them “defective” blueprints making little errors in them that any engineer could figure out within 10 minutes on how it really worked. This was done in case they were caught for disinformation purposes but they wanted North Korea and Iran nuclear capable.

Uranium One was also done so that Russia, North Korea, and Iran would be able to get Uranium to build nuclear weapons while the Clinton Foundation along with the people surrounded in this scandal got paid millions of dollars to make it happen.

Q post 855: Obama purposely imported defective steel and aluminum from China, Russia, Japan, South Korea, and other countries to undermine our military and cause problems with aircraft and ship building. That is why he had to get rid of the steel and aluminum plants in the U.S. so when we went to war we would be at a huge disadvantage. You will find a lot of articles saying this was not the case and that Obama tried to protect us with tariffs to combat the rise of foreign steel but this was just a front.

Since 9/11 over 20 trillion dollars have gone missing from the Pentagon. First audit of the Pentagon ever reveals so far 800 million dollars in helicopters missing as well as 44 thousand troops in an “unknown” country.
Obama and Clinton used a gang called MS-13 for illegal activities such as drug running, gun running, human trafficking of mainly children, and murder among other crimes. The CIA is a criminal organization that distributes drugs and guns all over the world.

Obama administration along with the ATF implemented Operation Fast and Furious in order to illegally funnel guns to drug cartels and MS-13 gang members. By attempting to increase gun violence along the U.S and Mexican boarders Obama administration would have an excuse to have stricter gun control laws which would eventually make way for the repeal of the second amendment.
Clinton Foundation is a front for pay to play programs you make a donation you get to be included into sensitive top secret classified information on Hillary Clintons servers along with other private parties and fundraisers they hold. Deals were made for when she was to become president she had to do certain things like start World War 3 and to destroy the constitution of the United States.

Obama flew in $65,000 dollars for pizza/hotdogs (code for underage girls and boys) at a private Whitehouse party. Yes he is a pedophile just like the Clintons which will be soon revealed along with many other political figures you have heard of. Worse has happened which I will not get into that is up to you to decide if you want to go down that rabbit hole but know that they are Satanists for the most part and pure evil.

Obama gave Iran/ Hezbollah 1.7 billion dollars in cash to help fund terrorist organizations and accelerate their nuclear program.

There is so much more this traitor did all will be revealed and the people that helped him will be tried under military court as most of the civilian judges are corrupt to the core.
Donald Trump signed an Executive order giving him the ability to try these people in military court by setting the ground work for martial law. Actually he signed 3 Executive Orders. One is on International Human Trafficking.

The next one is interesting it is on Blocking the Property of Persons Involved in Serious Human Rights Abuse or Corruption. In it he states:

I therefore determine that serious human rights abuse and corruption around the world constitute an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security, foreign policy, and economy of the United States, and I hereby declare a national emergency to deal with that threat.

By declaring a national emergency it allows him to start the process of martial law. It also allows him to confiscate and seize the assets of the globalists pedophile elites. You have to actually read the Executive Order to find out all the information contained in it as the MSM will not tell you what is in it they only give few details.

The final Executive Order regarding this topic is: President Donald J. Trump Proclaims January 2018 as National Slavery and Human Trafficking Prevention Month

Starting to see a pattern here?

Some more recent Q posts.

Trump already met Kim Jong-un during his visit to China on November 8th, 2017 inside the Forbidden City. There they discussed unifying Korea and removing the strings the CIA (Q calls them clowns when he talks about the CIA) had over Kim. Kim has been helping Trump since October 2017 by destroying his own nuclear test facility. You also find evidence for KIm being free by having the North and South join each other during the Olympics because the stage is being set for unification.

The NYPD has a video of Hillary Clinton with a child and maybe (still not confirmed) Huma Abedin doing unspeakable things that made seasoned detectives run out of the room and throw up and start to cry after viewing a video on Anthony Wieners laptop during his child sex investigation. This video will eventually be released they have to do it to red pill the nation to show how evil the Clintons are and to avoid a civil war once arrests are being made. All this information was dug up by the research board as Q was being very cryptic about what he has and who has seen what. It has been widely reported and speculated that the NYPD had this video during the election and that officers threatened to release the video if the FBI did not try to do something about it. That is why FBI director James Comey had to reopen the investigation into the Clintons because they forced his hand. They STILL swept it under the rug after the election anyway so now the video has been leaked and a few people have seen it supposedly and it is out there somewhere waiting to be exposed.

Debate ongoing if Edward Snowden is a white hat (good guy) or black hat (CIA black operative). Q is being cryptic for now future will prove past posts eventually.
This post has gone long enough for now at any rate this is just a small sample of what is out there you can find more in the following links below. Happy hunting.
This link is the Great Awakening board that Q posts on from time to time only he can post on it:

https://8ch.net/greatawakening/index.html

This is the Q research board where other anons like you and I can go and brainstorm and come up with ideas on what he has posted to figure out his clues that he leaves:

https://8ch.net/qresearch/index.html

Finally this is a list of every single Q post that was made by him in its raw form all compiled by date and in proper order. If he makes new posts you can reference this site as it updates as soon as he posts:

https://qanonposts.com/

Thanks for your time guys it took me awhile to post all this hope it helps.

#757722
Ancientwisdom
Ancientwisdom
Participant

So finally the blinkers are off. You are free from relationship obligations, what now?…

Am I to wait for direction from an outside source who never seems to arrive in time to give my life meaning?

We have the hardest task. To be free is accept responsibility for our own lives. We can blame no one else for our mistakes, bask in the admiration of no one else for our sucesses.

Our world is a maze with no map. We go our own way, at our own risk, for our own reward, and hope that the goal was worth the journey.

I think many people intentionally become entangled w/the entrapments of social constructs (despite how meaningless the modern version of these constructs are) for the simple purposes of:

Gaining ‘acceptance’ of society

-AND-

To become so busy that they AVOID facing these exact existential questions you’re asking.

It’s much easier to be a busy body, than it is to face such questions. Ignorance is bliss.

Most people today are such superficial conformists/”normies” that they don’t even possess the: introspection, philosophical abstraction, and the grit to seriously ask these questions. They’re too busy playing fantasy football or keeping up with the Kardashians.

But, to your point, mankind has always asked these questions. They date back to over 2,000 years ago. Realizing one’s finitude and questioning the ultimate purpose is something we all do. The logical conclusion/answer to our limited existence on this planet, can drive one insane.

My favorite verse is in bold.

Ecclesiastes:

Vanity of vanities, all is vanity. What profit has a man from all his labor In which he toils under the sun?

One generation passes away, and another generation comes;
But the earth abides forever.
The sun also rises, and the sun goes down,
And hastens to the place where it arose.

The wind goes toward the south,
And turns around to the north;
The wind whirls about continually,
And comes again on its circuit.

All the rivers run into the sea,
Yet the sea is not full;
To the place from which the rivers come,
There they return again.

All things are full of labor;
Man cannot express it.
The eye is not satisfied with seeing,
Nor the ear filled with hearing.

That which has been is what will be,
That which is done is what will be done,
And there is nothing new under the sun.

Is there anything of which it may be said,
“See, this is new”?
It has already been in ancient times before us.

There is no remembrance of former things,
Nor will there be any remembrance of things that are to come
By those who will come after

Resident cynic.

#755346

Anonymous

What follows is my letter to a feminist. Any feminist. It sums up almost all of what I think about feminism and feminists. Read, enjoy, comment. The text is in bold to help it be more readable.

Dear Feminist,

I’m what you hate. Yes, I’m one of those people, a man. No, not what you think a man is, or one of those pretenders that your ilk tries to shame everyone into accepting is a man. No, I have the biological credentials to back it up. Every cell in body testifies to the fact that I’m a man. You don’t define what a man is nor do you get a say in what I do with myself, ever. Your impotent rage is probably swelling up at this point but that’s to be expected. You’re unaccustomed to people not being bullied and shamed into agreeing with you. None of that works on me. Maybe in the past, but not now. Let me explain. A lot of men like me were taught to be polite to everyone, especially to women. But you exploit that for your own advantage across the board. That’s morally wrong. The first irony that I’ll point out is that when men do the exact same thing you howl about how women are oppressed and that there is a need for feminism as a result. That’s weird isn’t it? You may need some more explanation. That’s fine. Look up emotional blackmail and also “S**t tests.” Both of those things are exactly what I am talking about here. There are more examples that I could use but I won’t, those two things cover quite a bit of what you, the feminist, do on a political level. Also, on a personal level too but that’s for a different discussion.

I’d like to talk about your primary buzz word now. Which word is that? Equality. Whatever the dictionary definition of that word is you don’t mean it in that way, not even a little bit. You’ll hide behind the dictionary definition when you’re called on your egregiously antimale talking points, but it’s a transparent ruse. A poor attempt at camouflage if you will. There are two primary ways in which you use the word. First you use it to mean “sameness.” In other words, men and women are identical, the same, equal in every way possible. You and I both know that isn’t the case. In fact, reams of valid research indicate otherwise. You’ll deny that but that’s because your political ideology has created a narcissistic personality in you that won’t allow you to admit that your wrong. Not now or in the future. Oh, and you constantly clamor for “diversity” as well. Those two things are diametrically opposed. You can’t be equal yet diverse at the same time. Think about that. Any answer that you come up to reconcile those two terms will employ cognitive dissonance in its pure sense. Also, both of things are abstractions, so any definition for the words would fit. That’s how you try to wiggle out of things. But I digress. The second way that you use the word “equality” is hidden and coded. Essentially you want everything that you think men get that you don’t have, while simultaneously demanding all of the things that have traditionally been afforded to women. You’ll deny this one too, but it’s true. Just go into any divorce court in America. Men are getting hammered every day. But you don’t care because you’re a taker. It’s in your nature. You want every right that your mind can conceive but you don’t want any of the responsibilities that come along with them. Oh, by the way some of you feminists have realized this and have tried to argue that feminism is for men. That’s garbage as well. You forget that some of us actually know about your movement and its history that says otherwise. Plus, the word itself is gendered. But you don’t want to change that. Strange isn’t it?

A good point for you to remember is that far more men have died in war than women have. Why aren’t you calling for females to equalize that in the next armed conflict(s)? It’s because you’re a hypocrite. How about accidents? Yep, they take the lives of more men than women each year in the US. Again, you don’t really care. Suicide too. The rate of suicide is several times higher in men than women. Before I go any further I’ll address the only argument that you guys try and pass when the subject of male suicide comes up. That is, “toxic masculinity.” In every other instance you’d call that victim blaming. That is men themselves are to blame for their problems. Their machismo, their bravado, whatever. Remember earlier when I mentioned shaming language? Same deal. You just can’t stop attacking when it comes to men. Saying “toxic masculinity” is akin to saying men and boys are just broken girls. But that’s too deep for you. You’d rather jump from man to man and then blame them when you are alone when you’re middle aged and asking “where have all of the good men gone?” They’re toxic remember? Oh wait, there I go “mansplaining” again, I guess I need to learn that I can’t speak when women say something.

Here’s the next buzz word that I’d like to bring up, “wage gap.” That has been disproven time and again. Again, you don’t care. It’s because you’re a female supremacist. Actually, researching things takes work. Plus, if you actually addressed this honestly then you wouldn’t be ideologically pure. A horrible thing be for Cultural Marxist like you. You see humans are sexually dimorphic. There are very real differences in the biology and brains of men and women that express themselves in how people act and respond. That’s counter to your message though. It’s the same with your so called “reproductive rights.” That’s just code for abortion now since the word “abortion” is a hot button issue. You want all of the “reproductive” rights for women and none for men. A man has no say in whether or not his child is born, whether or not he has to pay for said child, or whether or not he ever sees said child. Sounds equal doesn’t it? It gets better though! Women can commit paternity fraud and the court will still force a man to pay child support because he “acted like a father.” One of the very real problems in our society is how fathers are treated. But again, you’re a feminist. Your gendered and Marxist lens won’t allow you see men as anything other than human ATMs who are just there to donate their bodily fluid and cash to support your whims and desires. How’s that rage of yours doing? I mentioned that it was swelling up in the beginning of this piece, I bet that it’s fomenting and frothing at this point.

I’d like to admit now that I don’t know what the feminist version of the “patriarchy” is, but you sure do. You talk about it all of the time. You act like it’s as pervasive now as the communist threat was during the Cold War. However, you make it sound like men are jack booted thugs hell bent on proverbially holding women’s heads underwater at all cost. But that’s a work of fiction, a phantom menace that no more exists than snipes exist on a sophomoric hunt meant to hoodwink some unsuspecting rube. Associated with this is that you also say that the US is a “patriarchal society.” That one would be true if men where the actual heads of their own households. But sadly, you’re mistaken. That hasn’t been the case for a long, long, time if it was ever true at all. You see all it takes is an accusation from a woman and a man’s whole life is ruined. Financial, emotional, and likely his work life too. Just one phone call and the police (mostly men), come out and take the male member who you’re accusing away and place him in a jail cell. You know the courts will take your side every time. Domestic abuse? Who cares if your claim is valid, you’re a woman! You can claim sexual harassment at any time either now or decades in the future and be believed. You’re the real liability and you know it. The real patriarchy is comprised of feminists and women in general. Why? Because they’ll chew up and spit out anyone and everything in their way, another bit of irony I must say.

Next, I’d like to address your other vacuous term, “misogyny.” That term is as vapid as the day is long. You are making things up as you go along and base things on emotion. Something makes you feel bad? It’s misogyny! Something goes against feminism? Misogyny! Something points out the rotten nature of so many women? Misogyny! Here is another word where you attach a hidden meaning. The hidden meaning is that women are perpetual victims. Well I say hidden, it’s fairly obvious for anyone to see. One has to look though. Women aren’t victims in any way that you claim. Western women are the most coddled and privileged creatures to have every existed. You know this but you just want more. Your victim mentality is all that you have in the end and to loosen the grip on that would mean that you are forced to admit intellectual failure on your part. It would also mean less funding from the corporations and government agencies that you’ve bullied into underwriting your political cause. As mentioned it’s part of the Marxist ideology that permites the left today. I don’t expect for you understand how Marxism fails at every turn. What you do understand are all of the manufactured problems pumped out by feminists to justify their existence. Examples? Domestic division of labor, the glass ceiling, and social inequality. All of those terms have been thrown around to control men and to gain more benefits for women on the backs of men because you assume them to be providers. See that’s a traditional role for men that you just won’t let go of. You’re equal right? So, do it all yourself. That’s what expect men to do isn’t it? Oh wait, men need to work and to pay taxes. Taxes that you need to fund the programs that prop up things like welfare for single mothers, abortion clinics, free housing, the list goes on. How’s that “I don’t need a man” thing going?

Finally, I’d like to give you some positive news. Men are getting hip to your tired old game. They see your faded tattoos, your classless and trashy behavior, they see your illegitimate kids and find it all to be disgusting. You do things because other women do it and because a magazine says so. TV says for you to have bi-racial babies so you do. The news says that you’re at risk for rape? So, you yell about the fictions rape culture. Speaking of rape culture, have you ever noticed how Bill Clinton is given a pass in this matter? He’s been accused of rape by several women. All you feminists can say is, “that was a long time ago!” Oh, except with other men it doesn’t matter if it happened a long time ago, they’re still presumed guilty and their livelihoods are taken from them. Not that’s not funny and is extremely telling of your double standards. We men are beginning to laugh at you as a result and we’re simply walking away. You can keep your condescending tone of voice and your desperate attempts to stay relevant. Life is better without you. It’s quieter and cheaper. Your opinion of a man is irrelevant. In the end men don’t need you to be happy. In fact, the risk that women pose in a man’s life far outweigh any benefit. Many men are done being your commodity to provide for your fantasy of a stable life only to be throw away when your board and in need of a tax-free check every month. You can keep the cats and the boxed wine that will populate your life as you approach thirty years old. You can keep the caked-on make-up and the tight-fitting clothes made for someone ten or more years your junior that you wear in a desperate attempt to look and feel alluring. So goodbye dear feminist. Have fun in your loneliness and isolation. Men have always had to deal with that, and now you are too. In the end I guess there is some bit of equality going on, but it’s ironically humorous that it’s happening to you.

With kind regards,

A Fully Red Pill Man

Sky-☯️
Sky-☯️
Participant

Hanging in the tent system above my Jeep next to a plane hanger tapped into drop zone WiFi and I checked my Facebook to make sure a sky buddy uploaded a couple of videos of me and tagged me in a couple of jumps from yesterday when I was in Last Action Hero mode.

One of my ex-pumpkins (she was my favorite) is on my friend list. She had systematically and methodically locked on and secured a beta wallet four years ago right as she was approaching the wall. She was really tactical about it too & maxed out the unicorn effect on him.

Her and I were way over at that point anyway. And her transition(s) as she approached the wall were not from chad’s to this beta but rather beta to beta to beta. Like, had a beta wallet secured, transitioned to one with more money, then discarded him and locked on to a wealthier beta for the final pre-wall acquisition.

I knew about the wedding but was like, whatever. Then three days after the wedding at about 1am, my phone rang. It was her. They were on the honeymoon and she called me, hyperventilating & crying and said she was on the deck of their hotel room (he was passed out inside, drunk) and she said ‘Why did you make me do this?’ and said she wanted me to ‘Just come get me. . .and take me away from all of this’ I was like, WTF V2.0

We talked for awhile while she was on the deck and she kept hyperventilating (or faking it) and crying.

Moving on since that point, she still texts and calls. While living in Beta’s house on a lake and amidst a post wall, beta wallet acquisition dream. She always calls late, like 1, 2, 3, 4am, throws some crying into things. Texts stuff like ‘I miss you so much. You are the only man I ever dreamed of and wanted’ Total mind-fck stuff.

And I won’t lie. When we were together, it was freaking on 24/7 sexually. Literally f~~~ing for hours. (See my post from July 2017 regarding ‘The Black Room’ – a room in my house she had me paint all black that she turned into a sex sanctuary where she had me fulfill her rape fantasies, etc. It got brutal)

Ok. Back to focus. So I went on my Facebook to make sure my sky buddy posted a couple of my videos from his GoPro from yesterday and tagged me and:

I scrolled down my feed and it showed that she had changed her profile pic to one of her and the beta-sarus maximus and she used some kind of Facebook app / feature to add the words (in a script style lettering) underneath the pic and it says, ‘thankful, grateful, blessed’

And it’s got me melting down on a whole new level. I’m so wasted right now after slamming the rest of the Jager and Redhook I have in my roof tent system that I didn’t want to risk injury going down the ladder so I opened the front of it and aimed out to take a leak.

Passing out soon.

Peace,

Sky-0

#752513
It'sallbs
It’sallbs
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We welcome the sensible approach the Prime Minister set out in her speech today.

Theresa May was right to reaffirm her commitment to respecting the result of the referendum and to take back control of our borders, laws and money.

Worryingly, a number of her five measures of success are dependent on the EU negotiating in a statesmanlike, reasonable manner during negotiations, yet it has done everything in its power to try to bully the UK and prolong and obstruct Brexit negotiations.

It is the task of the Prime Minister to make Brexit a success irrespective of the EU. The Government should work to secure a Canada-style deal – which the EU have confirmed is available to us – immediately. This removes the need for any transition or implementation period. The Government must also make preparations to move to a WTO rule agreement with the EU in the event that Brussels tries to block a Canada-style deal.

In any event, the UK should prepare to implement business friendly, economy boosting measures as soon as we leave the EU in March 2019, making best use of our new economic freedoms. This will give businesses and the public reassurance that Britain is ready to make Brexit a success from day one.

Meanwhile this week, the panicked Remainers were out in full swing, using their bullying and threatening tactics to try and destroy Brexit. The latest duo of Major and Blair, co-ordinated by the anti-Brexit Open Britain campaign, used their influential platforms to drum up support for a Brexit u-turn, with Blair calling for the British public to ‘undo’ their ‘historic mistake’. Former Prime Ministers who no longer believe in our great nation should not engage themselves in a desperate last ditch attempt to defy the largest democratic mandate ever in the UK.

In other news, the UK economy keeps growing from strength to strength. Toyota announced it will be building the next generation of Auris at its plant in Derbyshire, Dyson is advertising for 300 new employees to assist the completion of its first electric car by 2020 as the company celebrates a £801 million profit from Asian markets, while tech firm ARM Holdings increased their staff numbers by 25 per cent.

Finally, one of the freedoms we can embrace post-Brexit is the availability to sell and buy champagne in pint sized bottles – something Brussels deemed unacceptable in 1973, but described by Churchill as the “ideal size”. Cheers!

Kind regards,

Richard Tice & John Longworth
Co-Chairmen

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#752487
Russky2
Russky2
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In my career of over 20 years now, I can’t remember working alongside a woman for whom I did not have to pick up the slack, except one. While demanding equality and screaming empowerment, they worked at a level of performance that invariably left work to be done by a nearby man. I’ve had to stop my work and teach them things about how to do their job. I’ve had to do their jobs for them. I’ve had to stop my work to correct their f~~~ups, or cover for them.

I’m nearing retirement now, and I don’t stay quiet anymore. I’m self incorporated and hire myself out as a temp to cover gaps in department schedules where I am not employed. My business is booming! 20 years ago, gaps in schedules were created when women who had demanded eduction and training in my field left it to have babies and retire at 35 on some beta’s paycheck. Today, millennials coming into my field refuse offers of overtime and the increased income that goes with it. I’m happy to take that for them. As a contract worker paid by the hour (at a rate I set) the lazier they get, the more I earn. I’m in a position to retire now and they need me more than I need them.

So I can say what I think now. It’s a glorious thing to be able to drop some truth bombs in mixed company and not fear the walk to HR. Not long ago, I was on a mixed team and some 20 something cupcake was going off on gender relations. The two senior people on the team were me and another 50 something man. Most of the rest were women. The cupcake was blathering on and on about gender relations and how oppressed women have been. My buddy and I were just working. Finally, I had heard enough of that crap and decided to respond. At right about that time, she said, “Don’t you just hate it when men go around saying “We’re pregnant” when their wife is going to have a baby?”…”As if they had anything to do with it…<eye roll>”.

All the women in the room nod in agreement. I ignore this, but turn from what I’m doing and step toward my buddy. I lean in like I’m about to give him some technical information about what we’re working on. He leans in to listen, and it appears as though I’m going to tell him something about the work we’re doing quietly enough so as not in interrupt cupcake’s whining. But instead, as he leans in, I say (loudly enough for the whole room to hear) “DON’T YOU JUST HATE IT WHEN WOMEN GO AROUND SAYING “WE’RE BUYING A HOUSE, OR WE’RE PAYING DOWN THE MORTGAGE”…?” followed by <eye roll>.

My buddy is dedicated blue pill: successful with family, kids, stay at home wife… that whole picture. He did not see that s~~~ coming, and cracked up so bad that his work stopped. I turned and went back to what I’d been doing. But since he was facing cupcake at the time, and standing close, he was literally laughing in her face. I was already back to my work and never acknowledged her.

As he was laughing in her face, she got pouty and defensive and said something like, “Well, women do make a contribution…”. This time, I didn’t even turn from my work. I just said, “About the same as men’s contribution to a pregnancy…”. My buddy is the most senior person in the room, and was still laughing in her face so hard he couldn’t work. I didn’t turn away from my work or speak again in that crowd again, but cupcake shut up. The rest of the women in the room shut up, and we got the project done in relative peace.

Dude, everything you said here is the exact same thing that is happening at my workplace. Like word for word!

With that said, that was one of the reasons that I’m leaving work. But most importantly is when I hurt my back, they made a big deal out of it and didn’t even give me tylenol. Instead they send me to a clinic where I wasted 2.5 hours of my life.

Women are always protected and are actually not allowed to lift anything heavy. And they always talk about gender equality? I wanted to shove it down their throats but I don’t want to waste energy on them. They feed on it. The hypocrite of it all…

In some ways I understand why my supervisor gets p~~~ed of. But he also unfairly treated me at times, and he probably knows that.

The managers there go around trying to increase efficiency, but instead they waste time and actually screw us and entire place over with their f~~~ed up reasoning for why we do not produce MOAR!

And what’s worse is that nobody below them is in power to change anything, we workers are nothing. F~~~ all of it..

Now I’m in a bit of a panic mode cause I didn’t have plan B when I announced my exit. But there’s jobs out there, and this one is not the only one.

MGTOW AKBAR

seventy years of brainwashing and demonizing nationalism has not worked on tens of millions of Americans.

I can still remember Hillary saying in one of the debates, “we’ve been working for you for years”. What did I hear? “We’ve been working on you for years”, that’s what.

The irony was that Hillary being elected was the final part of the globalist plan to destroy the U.S.

During the 2016 election, the one thing that trouble me the most is the democrats did not care about the 1000 plus seats they lost in the the state and federal elections. They only cared about Hillary being elected president.

The only logical reason for this was the democrats and their globalist masters planned to have Hillary become a absolute dictator that would nullify the state and federal representatives that did not obey her.

It must have broken them to know they burned more money on that election (1.5 billion) than any other single presidential election in history, rigged the polls, media, voting systems, for Hillary and Hillary still lost to someone all the people on that side had written off as a joke and whom they had not given any money or support to, meaning President Trump did not owe them any favors.

To be stopped so close from completely their plans to destroy the U.S. must have broken something inside them. We can see this when the puppets of the globalists decided to riot in major cities at Nov 9, 2016, 4:00 AM EST, less than an hour after the election was called for President Trump.

After the Nov 2016 election, the establishment, deep state, globalists, democrats, media, and other groups have throw off any pretense of respecting the election system, the people’s voice, and the lawfully elected President Trump. Instead, these groups are doing everything they can to illegally overthrown President Trump, along with censoring, and even sometimes physically harming the supporters of President Trump.

Realizing that Generation Z might be more in line with nationalism creates even more pressure on the situation because those opposing nationalism realize their old two person monty of rigged elections, where both candidates support the same anti-American stances, will no longer work.

One of the reasons this con will no longer work is that President Trump is keeping his campaign promises and raising the bar of quality for being a politicians.

Though, due to all this means that those opposing nationalism are now opening displaying increasing acts of unrest against the American people.

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