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[Anonymous]

The link below is with Bar Bar ( Barbarossa ) and couple of other hardcore MGTOW’s talking about it almost 6 weeks ago.
It is a long discussion, two hours plus. I suggest as many brothers as possible listen to it at least to some extent to get a good idea of what is or may be
going on in regards to the way media may be portraying us. I’ll let you guys make up your own mind about it.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant]

Anonymous wrote:

Just a correction on my original post:

BadKan wrote:

Mgtows best weapons is NOT this website, Barbarossa, Stardusk or whoever. We just point the way and share our experiences. WOMEN, SOCIETY and TRADCONS THEMSELVES offer the proof that validates those experiences.

In this day of the Internet, a successfully lived life, and personal relationships, are the best way to validate anything. So much is faked and filtered on the Internet.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Anonymous]

Just a correction on my original post:

Anonymous wrote:

Mgtows best weapons is NOT this website, Barbarossa, Stardusk or whoever. We just point the way and share our experiences. WOMEN, SOCIETY and TRADCONS THEMSELVES offer the proof that validates those experiences.

[Anonymous]

Thank you for your analisys Cipher.

One thing that I am noticing about myself is that I believe I am actually growing as a person. I remember when I started posting on this site I was more protective on the “Mgtow” label, and now I am not so much. Not that my conviction is weavering, but because of the realization that, in the end, my life is mine to live as I please and in the end of the day, if all those people have, tradcons or feminists, is shaming, than they are just wasting their breaths.

That doesn’t mean that I won’t post here my opinion, specially if I read some gynocentric bulls~~~ regardless of what “side’ it comes from (to the dismay of some members here that think that posting opinions can be compared to being part of ISIS). However, my objective posting my views and debunking what I believe are weak arguments are not to “convert” whoever is posting, but to always review MY position. If the person I am debunking will change or not, is not of my concern. And this is what pepple like Matt Foeney fails to understand. Mgtows best weapons is this website, Barbarossa, Satradusk or whoever. We just point the way and share our experiences. WOMEN, SOCIETY and TRADCONS THEMSELVES offer the proof that validates those experiences.

So Matt can shame as much as he wants, and I pitty the fools that take his words to face value. I will do to his arguments what I do to ANYONE arguments: analise, and see what is worth to use on my personal life.

And just as a personal note, to the TRADCONS that are lurking this website and that once in a while try to shame us by being concerned trolls, I have a message to you: GO F~~~ YOURSELVES (you know who you are).

Sorry for wondering off the thread, but I didn’t want to create a new post and this post aligned to the subject anyway.

Cheers.

First of all, I want to thank the owner of the site for making this forum available. While I do not conceptualize myself as a “pure red-blooded MGTOW,” this site is an invaluable resource for men. Anyway, for a good portion of my life, I have behaved according to a MGTOW philosophy without realizing it. I am single, have never been married, and practice defensive strategies in the world of interpersonal relationships (with women, of course). That being said, I have never actually posted or participated in MGTOW. In part, because I felt a deep sense of shame of being associated with such “misogynistic, ignorant, woman-hating brutes.” The reason I held MGTOW in such low esteem was my previous admiration of the feminist movement. In many ways, I was a model male feminist. I conceptualized women as the embodiment of everything pure, noble, and innocent. The cognitive dissonance was astounding. While I noticed all sorts of abhorrent behavior on the part of women, I simply excused it as a legacy of patriarchy.
What caused me to discover MGTOW? Well, contrary to what many people believe, there are male victims of domestic violence. For some confounded reason, I have a propensity to attract emotionally volatile and manipulative women. In fact, I have sought of psychotherapy for this very reason. To this day, I have PTSD symptoms due to the abuse I received. To think that women are incapable of actually inflicting harm on a man is absolutely naïve, especially in today’s world. I do not want to discuss the violence I received as it would make it easier for my abuser to identify and further harm me. The vindictiveness of some women is amazing.
One thing I have appreciated about this site is that is betrays the lie that women rarely engage in violent, narcissistic, and sociopathic behavior. In fact, one thing I like about MGTOW.com is that it creates a sense of universality where men are no longer going it alone. Malignant narcissism, borderline personality disorder, histrionics, and other characterological disorders are much more common than I ever could have realized. Although Paul Elam and AVFM receive a lot of justifiable criticism, it was their site that caused me to look further into MGTOW. I think we do ourselves no favor when we adopt black-or-white, all-or-nothing ideologies. Many wise philosophers and psychologists have identified rigid, religiously held ideologies (whether patriarchy theory, Marxism, capitalism, atheism, Christianity, etc.) as the root of human disturbance.
That is not to say that I think we should not have definitions as to what constitutes MGTOW. Also, I think we should hold other members accountable when they damage the reputation of the movement or promote material that is antithetical to men’s interests. For example, I have to laud Stardusk’s (and the site moderator) criticism of Sandman. In particular, I am thinking about Sandman’s shaming of men who are allegedly ‘phobic’ of women. Also, he damages the MGTOW brand by making countless unsupported allegations and exploiting social media in such a way that drowns out other voices. As a simple exercise, go to YouTube and type in ‘MGTOW.’ It will appear that Sandman is the de facto leader of this movement. You will miss out on the excellent material offered by people like Barbarossa, TFM, Bane666, Stardusk, etc.
To reiterate, I laud the efforts of this site and its members. There is a toxic culture that treats men as disposable commodities. Too often, our value – as men – is contingent on what we do for women. We are stuck in an impossible situation where women simultaneously expect all the privileges of traditionalism AND feminism. Too often, men damage their own best interests by overvaluing their relationships with women. We have internalized a lie that men without romantic partners are necessarily miserable, incomplete, neurotic, and unbalanced. Curiously, there was a time in my life where I had only one romantic partner in an eight year stretch. By way of comparison, I have not been without one (often with another waiting in the wings) for the better part of the last three years. Was I deprived and miserable when I was alone? No. The only thing that really upset me was the internalized belief that I MUST have a romantic partner or I am a flawed, unsuccessful human being. Since April, I have deliberately gone without sex and avoided opportunities to date. In this time, I have hit the gym and advanced my education. My life is infinitely less complicated and I am able to be a better and more productive man.
It is interesting to read the posts of our younger participants. What they often cannot conceptualize is how easy it is to find attractive women when you approach middle age. Generally speaking, younger women want to sample men as though they were a big box of chocolates. Not surprisingly, many of them develop unrealistic expectations and waste their life “waiting for the ideal prince.” As others on the site have noted, they will eventually have to moderate their expectations as their beauty starts to wane. Some younger women actually prize the maturity and resources (over physical attractiveness) of older men, or even find them physically attractive. What I am trying to say is that your current situation is not your life’s destiny. Furthermore, you might discover – like I have- that what you thought was a blessing was actually a curse. Being viewed as desirable by an attractive woman (or women) does not make you a better or happier man. Rather, it creates a wheelbarrow full of liabilities. Our worth as human beings is intrinsic to us; it is not contingent on how many women we have sex with or whether our mate is ugly or attractive.
In conclusion, I want to express my gratitude for those who participate on the boards. Your stories played an integral role in my own recovery from addiction to pathological relationships. From my perspective, today’s self-respecting man needs extremely solid boundaries as intimate relationships with women have become exceedingly costly and downright dangerous. Your stories and wisdom help men properly assess the opportunity costs of having intimate relationships with the opposite sex.

[Sessna12Participant]

WestwardLord wrote:

I appreciate all the very valuable advice and the guidance here. It’s nice to know there other guys out there who can understand at least part of what this is like. Thank you all Also, I started watching some videos by Spetsnaz and Barbarossa today – very interesting stuff. I’m feeling a bit overwhelmed with the amount of information here and on YouTube, but it’s refreshing to hear stuff that isn’t just constant male deprecation.

 

welcome aboard my friend

Sebastian

"We can no more stop him from marrying than we can stop him from making a well researched decision to poke his eyes out with a stick."
-Sidecar

[WestwardLordParticipant]

I appreciate all the very valuable advice and the guidance here. It’s nice to know there other guys out there who can understand at least part of what this is like.

Thank you all

Also, I started watching some videos by Spetsnaz and Barbarossa today – very interesting stuff. I’m feeling a bit overwhelmed with the amount of information here and on YouTube, but it’s refreshing to hear stuff that isn’t just constant male deprecation.

[RoyDalParticipant]

Link to Barbarossa videos: https://www.youtube.com/user/barbarossaaaa/videos He has cross links to other YouTube bloggers discussing the same topic.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

Please help criticize this. Help make it something we ‘mostly’ all agree with:

MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way) – The modern men’s liberation movement
MGTOW is a statement of self-ownership, and, for every man to go his own way and make a logical choice for his well-being. It is a lifestyle; it’s a men’s liberation movement, which frees a man from the patriarchal traditions and expectations of dating and marriage; it’s about individual freedom. MGTOW sometimes is referred to as the Red Pill, or those who see an alternative view. These men empower themselves from subjugation defined by a hierarchical social order that places expectations on men, manning up and in particular, work and marriage. It is growing a global awareness, helping men to avoid possible toxic and dangerous relationships inside a gynocentric culture.
Some, but not all Men Going Their Own Way are establishing philosophies:
A. Liberate themselves from a patriarchal rulebook of dating.
B. Escape the emotional and financial risk involved with marriage.
C. Reject the role of sole provider , protector or pack mule roles in relationships.
D. Recognized the financial reality of relationships of today and the future.
E. Avoid the costs to have and raise children, Vetoing Gods commandments to go forth and multiply.
F. Empowered against societal male shaming techniques and slogans.
G. Fights society’s oppressive rules and unfair legal biases constructed against males.

MGTOW men’s liberation movement is raising consciousness and allowing every man to permit himself to write his own authentic set of rules. Rules that work best for him. MGTOW cannot be labeled. It is inaccurate, and unfair, to pigeonhole ideas and MGTOW come from a variety of backgrounds. It doesn’t matter how old or young, Asian, Latin, black or white, conservative or liberal. There are members across the world. MGTOW are about forging individualized life paths.
This is a liberty movement mostly of men and considered a brotherhood, but some women have discovered WGTOW too.

MGTOW‘s first appearance:
Many social and economic factors are cited in playing a role in this phenomenon, but MGTOW appears to have been inspired by the Japanese Herbivore or grasseaters who are a social phenomenon in Japan of men who shun marriage or gaining a serious girlfriend. Japan’s gender equality term was first coined by Maki Fukasawa in an article published on 13 October 2006 and became a buzzword in 2008 and 2009.[7][8][9][10] Now under the MGTOW moniker, the ideology has spread across every major nation under the acronym. Men are becoming aware of dangerous relationships inside a gynocentric patriarchy . In 2008 or so, marriage issues began to appear on YouTube, written and recorded by anonymous men with pseudonyms Stardusk, Barbarossa and other innovators of forward thinking. The initial videos attracted attention and quickly spread. Now hundreds of Youtube videos are posted every day, like Sandman videos that offer a daily dose of the Red Pill.

How MGTOW is Cultivated:
Men do not have and authorized college level men’s studies or gender studies, so individuals take on and share their message with others. It is a coalition of sharing that fuels the connection and consciousness raising. Today, social media such as Facebook, Reddit and YouTube are methods where MGTOW connect and share. Men reveal enlightened experiences and discoveries. There are also forums where stories are shared such as MGTOW.COM. Often someone discovers this movement after one or more very relationships become toxic, explaining any anger and pain.

Common misconceptions about the men’s movement MGTOW:
The men’s rights myth: Some people believe that MGTOW is an ideology that splintered off from the Men’s Rights Movement. And for some, they might have been introduced through MRA connections, but today, more and more members find the movement through MGTOW channels. We know that many MGTOW have found the lifestyle that serves those best and most are not advocates for men’s rights.
The sexless myth: Some people claim MGTOW ban sex with women. A small group of men may be asexual, but most continue sexual relationships with women.
The hate myth: This tsunami of consciousness it is mistakenly called a “rage against women” and “misogynistic”, these men are actually discovering freedom, fulfillment of dreams, sex, and love, as they dodge proverbial bullets and tunnel under razor wire. They love women. Many men have suffered devastating financial and emotional pain or loss in relationships, marriages and divorces with females and find MGTOW for emotional support. They are allowed a safe place to vent.
Wind society backwards myth: Some wonder if the movement wants to take society backwards to ownership of another gender and oppressing women. MGTOW are moving the male society forward. The liberation is uncovering alternatives for young boys to fit into.
The gay, cry baby or sissy myth: The overwhelming majority of MGTOW is not gay. They date and enjoys women but avoid any living arrangement that might douse their life ambitions. Each individual is creating their own path. The movement is ubiquitous.

POPULAR MGTOW BOOKS and WEB SITES
MGTOW.com
Reddit.com

The Manipulated Man
Men on Strike: Why Men Are Boycotting Marriage, Fatherhood, and the American Dream – and Why It Matters

The Rational Male
Why I Cheat; Men Marriage and Cheating
Stand By Your Manhood: A Game-Changer for Modern Men

Maybe add “No more Mr. Nice Guy By Robert Glover
Venus: The Dark Side

[RoyDalParticipant]

I don’t know if this is connected or not, but BBC is preparing to do a hit piece on MGTOW.

MGTOW: BBC documentary, I think not

Barbarossa has a podcast posted on his YouTube site. It is almost three hours long. I got started on it, but my ADD kicked in after the first ten minutes. Anyway, here’s the link:

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[Tim PattenParticipant]

Welcome. About 4 years ago now, I saw a barbarossa youtube video about marriage, and since I’ve become aware. Welcome again.

[Soldier-MedicParticipant]

If you ask all of the men here, women are not to be trusted.

You can give a woman a lie detector test now and she just may pass it.

But let her baby rabies kick in………..well, then you just better become a mindless drone.

Are her parents still married?  If so how do they interact?

My ex wife’s parents never divorced.  The former mother in law was a relentless nag.

I remember, many moons ago, my then father-in-law’s, brother-in-law had been arrested for theft.  His sister had contacted him about bail money.  My in laws had built a nice nest egg.  I sat in the living room as I watched my then father in law sit at the dining table and his wife literally stood over him, and then relentlessly went on and on about how they should not loan his sister any money for bail, and put what they had worked for in jeopardy.  I don’t think that he had any intention of loaning her the money at all, but it looked as though his wife wanted to be sure he understood by relentlessly saying the same thing over, and over, and over, and over, and over again.

Women learn how to interact in a marriage by direct lesson and/or through observation of their mothers.

What example has her mother set for your prospective mate?

Does she support MGTOW for real?  Or is she someone looking for a traditional conservative (tradcon) relationship so she can stay home and complain about how hard her day has been.  In turn, you get to become the guy that sacrifices all of his hopes and aspirations to fulfill her social worth of procreation?

I would strongly recommend that you do more studying within the archives.

Start with

Spetsnatz – the disposable male

Barbarossa – flawed male desire leads to traditional parasitism

Then do more research.

In support of what Megachris% has to say, watch this video.

"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.

[Binary LogicParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Barbarossa did a quick vid that covers some ground on this aspect of “Motherhood” you had to endure

He put that into perspective better than I could have any day of the week. Although my claims are mostly from personal experience yet lack any correlating data, his piece absolutely reflects my thoughts on the matter

@iliveagain, brother, hope I’m not hijacking or throwing a wrench in you’re thread. My experiences seem relevant to the point you’re making though. =|

[Anonymous]

@ Binary logic

Barbarossa did a quick vid that covers some ground on this aspect of “Motherhood” you had to endure

 

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Ancientwisdom wrote:

In any event, Id rather be authentic and NOT get laid, then be a lying douchebag JUST for a one night stand. I cant imagine LYING about my life to make me look better. To me that is more depressing, because that would mean Im so pathetic I have to LIE to look better.

The PUAs will actually use this AGAINST you, too. They understand there is a common pushback among men who look at their s~~~ and see it as “lying” or being who you aren’t. And they will defend their “game” as not being about giving women what they want – when that’s exactly what it is. Barbarossa once said:

“PUAs will attempt to convince you that – after studying what women want (as opposed to what they SAY they want) – that “game” isn’t about – and solely about – “giving women what they want”…. regardless of what they SAY they want.

So well put.

And that’s why it doesn’t sit right with us. If you and I should listen to what woman say, then translate into what they mean, and then adjust our responses, reactions, and actions to make a relationship work because that’s what women want…. then within that relationship YOU ARE ALL ALONE.

If you need to game your girlfriend or wife just to make sure she doesn’t dump you, man f~~~ing GET OUT.
Don’t even get INTO it.

I understand that “game” WORKS. Rather than getting upset when women try to “sucker me into their frame” or when they attempt to manipulate, I will apply some “amused mastery” myself to make interaction fun and amusing. But not to amuse HER. It’s to entertain MYSELF. It’s boring to talk to women. They are generally very uninteresting. That’s why so many of them say – on a dating profile – “I don’t like talking about myself”. Because there is nothing to say! She’s NOT INTERESTING. Women have actually lost the ability to flirt and get a good rally going. That’s why men are looking for ways to pull stunts out of their asses.

There is a difference between “games” and playing THE game. THE game can be fun. I fully admit it and I admit it works. But if we live in a world where I have to ask “hey my friend and I really want a female opinion!!! Who lies more men or women???” just to get women to talk to me…… It’s time to find a sharp kitchen object, and lay down on it slowly. And I don’t mean me. I mean , the people who recommended it and want OUR MONEY for that s~~~ty advice.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant]

And it was from a year ago.  Sorry.  It just popped up for me.  But here is the Barbarossa video on it:

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

Behold, this is the bull you see with tradcons, and trying to tell men what to do or not do.  Here is one example of that from Tucker Carlson:

http://www.rawstory.com/2014/05/fox-news-host-tucker-carlson-women-who-pay-for-mens-dinners-are-disgusting/

It isn’t just that bit, but also he slipped a line in pretty much calling any man who plays a videogame over the age of 35 a “loser” or something.

Barbarossa mentioned this in a recent video, but I lost it.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

sidecar wrote:

Regardless of acronyms and titles there are simply a hell of a lot of men out there who sensibly intend to never get married. And won’t. An no amount of stupid pathetic shaming language from some media outlet who clearly has failed to understand anything is going to change that.

Starting this year, NOBODY gets to shame men anymore for refusing to sign a marriage contract. Because for the first time in a century, 70% of men under 35 have not signed a marriage contract. It’s no longer a stigma by a long shot. It’s the MAJORITY. That aspect of MGTOW is already mainstream and totally acceptable whether anyone likes it or not. Be sure to rub their noses in it.

With regards to “the unknown demographic” just the introductions reveal that every 2nd or 3rd guy who arrives here and makes an intro is SHOCKED and expresses surprise that he is far from alone in his way of thinking. This reveals – beyond any conceivable doubt – that the actual number of men who are living MGTOW lifestyles must be 9X that of what we know – or infinitely greater.

Consider ACTUAL EXISTING MGTOW that we know of. Out of all of the feature 16 MGTOW channels we feature here (for example) only the Mayor of MGTOWN, Barbarossa & Messenger Rising signed up to our website – as far as we know. Niko Choski also may have – I think. That’s just 20% from a TINY population that we are AWARE of.

So that REALLY puts it in perspective.

MGTOW is “common sense for men” and there is NO denying it anymore.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous]

Your 8 points of MGTOW are spot on!
This would have been better as an intro too, another great intro. No matter how many intros I see I’m constantly blown away again and again just when I think I’ve seen them all.

If you’re going to have women in your life then watch Edmond Dantes videos on youtube. He’s relatively new, and going by subscriptions, severely underrated. We recently had a thread where the “Relationship Curve” was discussed and it’s a fascinating set of truisms that Edmond Dante relates to his own experiences. We can all relate the curve to our own experiences and extrapolate inevitable results.
Nothing wrong with short term relationships with women if you protect yourself with guidelines.

Messenger rising is now temporarily thrown off the rails because of absurd, nonsensical, inexplicable reversals by Johntheother but I’m sure he’ll get back to concentrating on positives when he’s calmed down.
Sandman gives a great McMGTOW version that the average guy can relate to. I think he’s introduced more of us to MGTOW than anyone else, including myself, but you’ll soon pass that level, you sound like you already have.
I’ll always think well of Sandman. He inadvertently gave me a label as a bonus! I’m now a proud, card carrying MGTOW Monk!

I think Barbarossa (Barr Barr) would be the level for you based on your meaning on MGTOW and best authors would be Esther Villar, Chinweizu and Warren Farrell.

[Anonymous]

To all PUA’s. From my perspective, PUA strategy is insane on every level from diseases (worst) to possible pregnancy (the other worst) and possible rape charges (which are almost always aimed at PUAs once the vagina has found out it was PUA’d)

Barbarossa says it all with his tone of voice when discussing PUA mentality, and not just the clip in the archives.
He dismantles the entire construct piece by piece.
It’s unnerving to realize how subservient you’re being to women when you adopt a PUA mentality, furthermore, how much time, effort and money you invest.
The most absurd aspect is basing your sense of self worth on women.

If you want to play that game, go for it. If it’s your way, then don’t let anyone else tell you otherwise.
But there’s something Barbarossa and no other NGTOW guy seems to have pointed out.
Please, don’t insist that I hear every detail of your exploits, every time you play the game.
It’s honestly interesting the first couple of times and yes, I did feel a little envious the first couple of times, but after that it gets BORING!!!!
It can go on for years and years,,,every time, you insist on relating the story to every person who’s stupid enough not to tell you to shut the f~~~ up.
To me, it’s the equivalent of some gossipy bitch going round telling a story to every woman she can.
Each time she tells the story it changes a little with experience, highlighting bits here and there and removing others that don’t quite get the required reaction. Till, at some stage, it’s just a construct, designed to extract awe and envy, much the same way that gossipy bitches tell stories to sooth their own egos and justify their s~~~ty behaviour when relating one sided stories again and again.

If you insist it’s about sex (which it isn’t, it’s about your ego), then do it all you want
Just f~~~ing don’t f~~~ing bore me with your boring s~~~ about it, ok, because I know, from many, many years of experience with many PUA’s, it’s all about keeping your ego inflated. Again, it has NOTHING to do with sex, nor does rape.

If any MGTOW or anyone else decides he doesn’t want to get married or have long term relationships with women, that’s their business.
Mind your own.

(P.S. EVERY PUA I’ve ever personally known eventually gets spectacularly f~~~ed over by a woman. No exceptions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)