Matt "Fugly" Forney on the fear of "TradCons"

[Cipher HighwindParticipant 1144]

https://archive.is/P50II – “Why The Manosphere’s Fear Of “TradCons” Is Misguided And Cowardly”

/shaming-tactics/ – Catalogue of Shaming Language cited herein

I will wade through this barrel of s~~~ so you don’t have to.

Analysis

Mr. Forney wastes no time bringing out the shaming language as evidenced by the charge of cowardice in the title.

To start, he uses nebulous, broad terms such as “left”, “leftists”, “right”, “conservatives” &c without really going in to any detail as to what positions these terms entail. In my experience, this is generally done as a hedge to prevent anything from being disproven.

He starts the article with a half-truth – “TradCons” are castigated because they purportedly want to force men back into rigid gender roles and because they enforce “male disposability,” whatever that means.”

The full truth is that they are castigated as the gender role they wish to enforce is the disposable male provider that bankrolls females. Male disposability is the dehumanisation of men, rendering them as less than full human beings deserving of basic human rights. Traditional conservatism i.e. marriage 1.0 is rooted in this as it drafts men in to the role of workhorse provider deferential to female interests.

In the next few paragraphs, he derides MRAs et. al. first for having Phillis Schafly as their “number one enemy”, then for treating “TradCons” as a greater threat than feminists, then for treating the former as a threat at all. He alleges that this animosity arises from those who “pretend” that the left is not the “sole [and] primary enemy of men, and that most of those who do so are “likely Marxist infiltrators.” This argument may be turned on its head if one demonstrate any “threat” to men in general from the right, and this threat is war. The last few wars of this country – the Vietnam War, the Iraq wars, a fight against plants (the “war on drugs”), and a fight against feelings (the “war on terror”) were launched by self-professed conservatives.

In the next section, he argues that conservatives have less power than leftists on account of having “won every significant cultural battle of the past century.” This is quite deceptive as a more accurate statement would replace “women” with “leftists.” He again derides those who “whine” about TradCons and alleges that they have “nightmares about right-wing Republican fascists coming to murder them in their sleep.” Conservatives favour a traditional brand of gynocentrism rooted in the family, whereas liberals favour one that is more rooted in hypergamy. This is not so much attributable to ideology as cultural and technological developments such as urbanisation and telecommunications. Winning “significant cultural victories” is irrelevant if one is merely substituting a better-adapted model of the same.

Afterwards, he addresses “MGTOW cultists” who claim that “right is just as misandric as the left” and states said claim fails on account of the Southern Poverty Law Center declaring certain websites to be “hate groups”. He then claims that there is no similar right-wing equivalent organisation doing so. Name-calling by the SPLC is nowhere as severe as the less-overt misandry perpetrated by various parties in the “right”, especially said “war on drugs” that confines men to places so horrid that the Irish refused to extradite Ali Charaf Damache to the United States.

He concludes with the self-contradictory argument that “most conservatives are content to let others live as they please”, yet “want to keep unwanted influences out of the communities”. As if that is not enough, he follows that by saying the big bad “left” wants everyone to conform. I only have one word for this – “doublethink.”

Analysis

This article is entirely absurd for the simple reason that, despite Mr. Forney’s claims to the contrary, the ideologies of the left and the right are two faces of the same misandric coin. I hesitate to even speak that as quite often, this article included, “left” and “right” are strawmen used without any substance and rather rely upon the reader to substitute his own prejudices toward either entity. The former view men as milk cattle in times of peace and beef cattle in times of war. The latter view men as walking wallets that need to be picked in the name of “equality.” These differences are not so much rooted in ideology but changing technological and social environments. He fails to define anything of substance, failing to so much as give an example. Therefore, Hitchen’s Razor is in play: that which is asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence.

Mr. Forney has his begging bowl out as bitching about others exposing TradCons as the gynocentric misandrists they truly are does not make much money – http://mattforney.com/support-me/

[Anonymous 1]

Thank you for your analisys Cipher.

One thing that I am noticing about myself is that I believe I am actually growing as a person. I remember when I started posting on this site I was more protective on the “Mgtow” label, and now I am not so much. Not that my conviction is weavering, but because of the realization that, in the end, my life is mine to live as I please and in the end of the day, if all those people have, tradcons or feminists, is shaming, than they are just wasting their breaths.

That doesn’t mean that I won’t post here my opinion, specially if I read some gynocentric bulls~~~ regardless of what “side’ it comes from (to the dismay of some members here that think that posting opinions can be compared to being part of ISIS). However, my objective posting my views and debunking what I believe are weak arguments are not to “convert” whoever is posting, but to always review MY position. If the person I am debunking will change or not, is not of my concern. And this is what pepple like Matt Foeney fails to understand. Mgtows best weapons is this website, Barbarossa, Satradusk or whoever. We just point the way and share our experiences. WOMEN, SOCIETY and TRADCONS THEMSELVES offer the proof that validates those experiences.

So Matt can shame as much as he wants, and I pitty the fools that take his words to face value. I will do to his arguments what I do to ANYONE arguments: analise, and see what is worth to use on my personal life.

And just as a personal note, to the TRADCONS that are lurking this website and that once in a while try to shame us by being concerned trolls, I have a message to you: GO F~~~ YOURSELVES (you know who you are).

Sorry for wondering off the thread, but I didn’t want to create a new post and this post aligned to the subject anyway.

Cheers.

[Klaus WindamierParticipant 543]

Yet another shaming story.

Decent analysis, Cipher Highwind, kudos.

[RoyDalParticipant]

@Cipher Highwind;
Thanks! You did a lot of hard work — much like mucking out the pigsty — so I get to keep the “muck” off my digital shoes. Keep up the good work, and thanks again!

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[chirParticipant]

There was comment which had a better logical reasoning than Fugly Forney’s whole rambling article. Anyone else see how the twit, actually uses his OWN BLOG as reference material. My what an inflated ego. As if his blog diarrhea has any relevance to reality.

Here is the comment someone posted regarding that article:
Quote “The sin of the TradCons is holding men responsible to what Rollo Tommasi calls the “First Set of Books.” SoCons/TradCons pressure American males to behave as if they were still in the 1950s when it comes to marriage and family life, and they pedestalize women so much that they’re reluctant to criticize them, so they pretend that the faults of modern women are a reflection of the faults of the males. This entices them to go much harder after men (and to believe they’re heroes for doing so) in advancing laws and policies which supposedly protect women and children but which really just push the feminist anti-male agenda all the more.

SoCons might be reasoned with, but they have a weird view of human nature, with the human female being a weak angel in need of protection, and the human male as a careless and corrupting individual from whom a woman needs protection (and from whom resources must be extracted to the female’s benefit.)

The feminist state we have today could not have come about without TradCons/SoCons assisting the feminists many policy goals when it came to family life and gender issues.” Endquote

BOOM! There it is. Tradcon/SoCon enabling of the leftist feminist agenda in a nutshell.

The other half of the leftist feminist agenda enablers are of course WOMEN. All women, unless actively opposing the leftist feminist agenda, are willfully enabling it by passively accepting it.

Long live MGTOW.

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, it is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning; it is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

[UntamedParticipant]

Mister Forney can shove his article where the sun don’t shine.
Thank you Cipher for enduring such drivel and bringing it down to its rightful level for us. Your analysis is spot on.
I couldn’t stomach reading the s~~~ without flinging my tablet across the room. I need it.
Such deluded menginas belong in those cages at the club, a rag in his mouth and a drag costume.
Or put him in the mash pit and show him what for.

Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!

[JollyMisanthropeParticipant 3356]

I have to question the sanity of anyone who looks back at the “Leave it to Beaver” days with reverence. They are so afraid of the possibility of a potentially successful family dynamic that moves away from the plantation scenario that they have a death grip on the “good old days”.

They want to be PUA’s and think they have a leg up on women but they are still engaging in behavior patterns that contradict the notion of their “masculine” sovereignty. If your time and energy is focused on acquiring monetary assets in the pursuit of finding women to f~~~ you aren’t all that far removed from the slave that busts his ass at the corporate plantation to provide for his wife and kids.

They might have the luxury of pumping and dumping but they are still focused on acquiring those assets and playing that role of the Playboy inspired bachelor. Hefner may have provided us with great fapping material but I’m not sure if I would classify him as a MGHOW or red pill. He can’t live without the pussy, even at this stage in his life.

The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

The enemy of my enemy is the enemy of my enemy. One reason why I won’t really have anything to do with MRM/MRAs is that they view the world as a giant battle, where you form alliances to defeat enemies, and you broker deals to do things. That breeds compromise. It is a collectively gains, rather than what benefits myself personally. Tradcons push things that aren’t of benefit to me, butcher an understanding of the Bible in the name of actually modern concepts, and have this fictional utopian view of the past they want to go back to that never really existed. All that is of no value to me personally what they advocate. Another nasty thing about those who go with this mentality, is the moment you don’t join their campaign, you become an enemy they will attack, as you are a threat to their cause, because you block them from recruiting others. You are going to see the manosphere turn on MGTOW(s) because MGTOW(s) don’t serve the utility of their campaigns. They don’t need PUA material, most won’t march with MRM for this or that issue, and Tracons end up seeing them as being boys who won’t “man up” and get married. And then, they write stuff complaining, some MGTOW get upside and fire back, and now you have them going, “See MGTOW are evil and vile men”.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Anonymous 42]

Traditionalists paint a beautiful facade of green pastures, milk maids, rays of light streaming from the sky, where man and woman are living in harmony under a blue and peaceful sky <skkkkrrrrrrkkkelllchhhhhhh> <needle scratching across record> <silence> now the MGTOW truth>>>>>>>
Man is in a thunderstorm, tornadoes, a very blackened sky, lightning bolts striking all around him, he wishes not to die. He sees a bunker, hears laughter, hears other men sigh, he struggles with the madness of mud and rocks waste deep, just another mud slide. Over the bodies of other men he seeks only not to die. He makes it to the door where he first saw a glimpse of light emitting from inside. Cold, wet, thirsty, and exhausted he’s invited to come inside, where other men brave the storm, their singing, their dancing their happy to be alive,
MGTOW is that bunker where “real men” must hide!

[Soldier-MedicParticipant 2566]

Other have said it but the possibility of TradCons surviving future technological innovations is even lower that it is now.

A company in England has already built a robotic kitchen with a robotic dishwasher on the drafting table. If these things are possible then a robot that washes and folds clothes can’t be far behind. We already have robotic vacuum cleaners. Realistic sex dolls are being worked on right now.

What will a woman have to offer a man in the next 50 years? The ability to procreate? Isn’t an artificial womb in the offing?

So what will be the reason for a man to keep a woman in a TradCon relationship in the future?

Matt Forney reminds me of old Native Americans that insist that the buffalo are coming back. The difference is that old Native American has a reason to hold his head up in dignity.

Cipher has pointed out just how much Mr. Forney’s article is a straw man argument. It is also just pointless.

"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.

[Anonymous 1]

Just a correction on my original post:

Anonymous wrote:

Mgtows best weapons is NOT this website, Barbarossa, Stardusk or whoever. We just point the way and share our experiences. WOMEN, SOCIETY and TRADCONS THEMSELVES offer the proof that validates those experiences.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Anonymous wrote:

Just a correction on my original post:

BadKan wrote:

Mgtows best weapons is NOT this website, Barbarossa, Stardusk or whoever. We just point the way and share our experiences. WOMEN, SOCIETY and TRADCONS THEMSELVES offer the proof that validates those experiences.

In this day of the Internet, a successfully lived life, and personal relationships, are the best way to validate anything. So much is faked and filtered on the Internet.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Anonymous 5]

I remember when I used to believe going back to the 1950’s style would be better. Thank god MGTOW exists and educated me on why that is just as bad as we have it now. The best option is to not play the game at all. MGTOW 4 Life.

[Anonymous 25]

A picture speaks a thousand words. I saw his picture on the website link you provided and that says it all. A genetically inferior ugly male who has to suck up to women in the hope that they may take pity on him and sleep with him. That’s scientific fact too as they have grids they can use to assess attractiveness which they use on models. It’s all to do with the mathematics and facial symmetry. Fugley Forney. DON’T BE THAT GUY. BE MGTOW.

I skim read his propaganda and it is nothing more than the use of obscure language with no substance. It’s fine for him to be insane and distort reality in his own feeble mind,, but that’s where it needs to stay. He needs to stop trying the spin reality, the little hamster is getting worn out from spinning so fast you supplicating mangina. I would have more respect for him if he was honest and used less words, I can re-write his article for him into one sentence, as follows “I’m begging you, please sleep with me, I will do anything for a woman’s attention.”

[ScandinavianParticipant 590]

Geez, I learn new things every day. This is the first time I’ve been told I’m a cultural marxist. Excuse me gentlemen, but I obviously have to go find a red flag somewhere and start a revolution or something.

On the more serious note; what this nucular family worshipper is mistaking is -current- power structures and ideals. Just because one idea is dominant in society does not mean the opposite is right. I’m not a feminist, no more than anyone here, or mr Forney himself, but feminism isn’t a threat, not to me, not to my lifestyle, not to my freedom. Feminism is a circus act, a quite entertaining show you can enjoy, unless you are the tradcon clown getting his shoelaces tied together and face smeared in cake.

[Anonymous 13]

They want to be PUA’s and think they have a leg up on women but they are still engaging in behavior patterns that contradict the notion of their “masculine” sovereignty. If your time and energy is focused on acquiring monetary assets in the pursuit of finding women to f~~~ you aren’t all that far removed from the slave that busts his ass at the corporate plantation to provide for his wife and kids — ChaosOverAll

I’m a traditional neoconservative – though I’ve melded well and I made some adaptions to the times
Ya’ll didn’t hate on me too much. There’s good chaps here. Real men – men who’ve had it with women.

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