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  • While it has a Libertarian bias to it, I consider the Nolan chart to be one of the best ways to describe the difference between left and right:
    http://nolan.jimeyer.org/nolan_example.php
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nolan_Chart

    The Libertarian bias here is that it frames left vs right in the context of government involvement in different sectors, whether personal liberty or economic.

    One can take conservative (right) to mean preservation, and returning to the past, and the left (progressive) to be changing of things. In terms of changes vs preserving, you have the Trumpian/Alt-Right side that sees government can be involved to end up actively reverse current changes going on. Given to a large degree, you end up with more of a statist conservative, that both wants to roll back globalization economically, and also roll back social change by outlawing drugs, and pushing promotion of traditional values. This use of government ends up being seen as a bad thing by Libertarians.

    "I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

    UnKnownSurviving
    UnKnownSurviving
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    NO. I’m never going to have children. There’s no point. I see parents bicker like children and at their own children, and complain why I’m still single. Why on on earth would I do that? I mean, why would I get married, plus have children? You look miserable.

    I’m trying to better my life, because I had a miserable past, and trying to get away from that s~~~hole I feel, and started planning on with my goals. I already told point-blank I’m not getting married or have children with “Ms. Future wife” to my mother and my aunt. My aunt JUST shamed me, saying that’s negative, “That’s negative, Mr. You need to beEEE positive”. I just scoffed and laughed in my head. She’s red-pilled. But she ain’t that far enough, and she ain’t that much blue-pill, though she is. (she doesn’t know how red-pilled deep I am with this knowledge.) We’ve come from a Christian family. Trust me, we all got a past.

    Rough past.

    But this isn’t about my family, though, I have experienced stupid Aunt/Sister fight all the f~~~ing time. I have never seen this bulls~~~, in my life. I mostly seen men reasonably argue, and part aways. Sometime, there’s some “barfight”, but that’s rare. It doesn’t help that often. Not with men. Women, though, on the other hand, just fight, fight, fight with other women, and just plain hate each other, like vehemently, on a huge level. And this is the family side. (of course now, the Aunt/Sister thing died down, and whatever bulls~~~ truce they had or something seem to work. At this point I don’t care)

    I grew up with women, and I just had it with them.

    Wherever I go, I try to be a nice guy, and IT NEVER F~~~ING WORKS. It backfires, every f~~~ing time. Then, I realized it was social conditioning, (THE RATIONAL MALE), and constant regurgitation and validation from social cues around me. Experiences made me realized how foolish I was. I was basically controlled in feminine strategy from birth, and this is what p~~~ed me off.

    RED-PIll RAGE

    I stopped couple time reading The Rational Male. It was too much. But I finished it. I knew I had to finished it. There’s something Rollo is saying. Similar clues I picked up in my experiences.

    I still have rage. Rage that my mother told me, to be nice gentlemen. Rage that my aunt told me, you’re going find a nice girl, and get married. F~~~ing p~~~ed me off.

    Two differing strategy from the mind of men and women:

    With women, it’s to cooperation with one another, in being nice to get what you want. Obeying.

    With men, it’s fight each other, in aggression, to win, to be Alpha, or take winnings from a weak loser,
    whose niceness gets him killed.

    It’s natural to be aggressive. I’m very angry at this point, because it suppressed my natural abilities to possess wealth or goals that I want. Trump is a good example of that taking and getting what he wants. And I had it with women suppressing my aggression.

    Western women who are single mothers, do not know what the f~~~ they’re doing with their sons. With daughters it’s worse. They do not possess the natural aggression or traits that could balance their sons well. I f~~~ing hate it.

    Single mothers are worse.

    Right now, I’m broiling up as I write this. And let me tell you, I feel immense power. Like my soul been freed.

    Western women do not know the f~~~ they’re doing with their sons. Single mothers get f~~~ing toxic with dealing their sons unnaturally. Only fathers could do it. And then, I see western women tell me I need a f~~~ing girlfriend or some s~~~, because I’m single. Get out of there with that s~~~.

    Parents do this to me too. And I see their misery. F~~~ no. I’ve been suppressed too long for anything that I want to do. And I only have one lifetime to do it. So get the f~~~ out of my way.

    "I come in Peace. I didn't bring Artillery. But I'm pleading with you with tears in my eyes, if you fuck with me, I'll kill you all." - Gen. Marine Mattis Mad DOG

    #767657
    IMickey503
    iMickey503
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    So what happens when the men have no interest in solving her issues or problems?

    What happens when when no longer see any value or benefit in a woman?

    When man turns his back on his instincts and starts to seek a replacement for it all.

    https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2018/03/donald-trump-jr-vanessa-trump-divorce-details

    Women. Not worth it. No value. And as you can tell from the link above, its all HIS fault.

    Any Takers?

    You are all alone. If you have been falsely accused of RAPE, DV, PLEASE let all men know about the people who did this. http://register-her.net/web/guest/home

    Trump may not have a week. He needs to be in full dmg control now out on the trail doing rallies.

    No. Rallies will not fix this. He needs to start exercising his presidential authority more and tell the federal judges whom hate him that he is doing what he needs to do whether they like it or not.

    I hear this omnibus bill was signed because Mattis needs funding pronto.
    The wall can be built by US Army engineers AND Trump can enforce veto over each line item, as this isn’t a true budget.
    Obama did it all the time apparently.
    I have limited knowledge here so go easy on me, but it’s another side of the coin to consider.

    If women ran the world = It would become the shithole you are seeing.

    743 roadmaster
    743 roadmaster
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    I said f~~~ Trump and the GOP in total after they stabbed us in the back with gun control.

    So, what are you going to do. Vote democrat, or throw away your vote, so you can be destroyed faster by the SJW hordes.

    Styx made a very good video about the matter:

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    Give President Trump a week and see what happens.

    By the way, I have been digging around. From what i have learned this is a “spending bill” not a “budget bill”. Big difference. The president may have such discretion and control on how the funding in the bill is spent, or if the funding is spent at all.

    Don’t have to worry about me,…but it in no way changed the fact this will keep a decisive number of voters from showing up and voting. In an era when single votes are massive (several wins or losses with votes 100’s difference) this rejection of the core voter will change outcomes.

    Trump may not have a week. He needs to be in full dmg control now out on the trail doing rallies.

    mgtow is its own worst enemy- https://www.campusreform.org/

    I said f~~~ Trump and the GOP in total after they stabbed us in the back with gun control.

    So, what are you going to do. Vote democrat, or throw away your vote, so you can be destroyed faster by the SJW hordes.

    Styx made a very good video about the matter:

    Give President Trump a week and see what happens.

    By the way, I have been digging around. From what i have learned this is a “spending bill” not a “budget bill”. Big difference. The president may have such discretion and control on how the funding in the bill is spent, or if the funding is spent at all.


    Anonymous

    Oh sure! Backlash for the millionaires that shower one another with the fruits of debt slavery???

    Hey TRUMP,

    F~~~ YOU!

    Tsar
    Tsar
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    I said f~~~ Trump and the GOP in total after they stabbed us in the back with gun control.

    “A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying, ‘You are mad; you are not like us.'”

    743 roadmaster
    743 roadmaster
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    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/24/trump-gop-leaders-face-backlash-over-1-3-trillion-spending-package.html

    President Trump faces losing support from his base in the wake of his decision Friday to sign a controversial and much-derided $1.3 trillion spending bill — over not only its size but its failure to fund his campaign promise of a wall on the U.S. southern border.

    Trump briefly threatened to veto the legislation, voted through the House and Senate on Thursday and early Friday in order to avoid a government shutdown.

    Conservatives balked at the $1.3 trillion price tag, as well as the failure to promote Republican causes such as the defunding of Planned Parenthood and the funding of the wall on the southern border in particular. While the legislation served up $1.6 billion for border security, it mainly consisted of repairs and additions to already existing fencing.

    ———-GOP with its self destruction in full force. This could very easy give the mid terms to the dems, along with the house and senate. Might as well the gop is not doing anything of value.
    All kinds of news out the liberals are happy with spending bill.
    This is so bad, it might even sway 2020.

    mgtow is its own worst enemy- https://www.campusreform.org/

    ForeverDone
    ForeverDone
    Participant

    Men in general are thirsty enough to continue chasing c~~~s past the wall, but not the 20% that all women want and feel entitled to. The fact that she hasn’t settled down already proves she isn’t satisfied with her options and still won’t lower her standards.

    Excellent point.

    Personally I am turned off by fake t~~~.
    Sure they look good in a T-Shirt or sweater but in the flesh they look f~~~ing wrong.

    I’ve never had the ‘pleasure’ of seeing a fake set in the flesh, but I can believe this.

    I have. They looked like balloons and felt like them too. Her past bf paid 10k for them.

    #767459
    Carnage
    Carnage
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    Weak men need other men to worship. I find both the Jordan Peterson male groupies and JP himself absolutely hilarious. These men growing up without fathers or any sense of self respect look to the likes of Trump, JP, sports stars etc etc etc to idolize and give all their attention and thought to.

    I’m too busy living my own life and have too much self respect to idolize or worship any man period. I don’t care what he has to say. I don’t pay any attention to him. I don’t give my money to him every month. I give him nothing.

    I have way more important things to spend my money on than him. Get mad at him. Hate him. Think much about him or have anything to do with him.

    Same thing with politics, same thing with sports, same thing with religion. What do I gain from giving a f~~~ or spending any amount of time energy or effort in these things? What do I get out of it? What does it do for me? How does it benefit me?

    I am absolutely ruthless when it comes to giving away my time, my attention, my money, my energy, or any piece of my life or my property to things that do not personally benefit me in a tangible way shape or form.

    I don’t give a f~~~ about famous people, sports stars, celebrities, politicians, youtubers, social commentators, radio hosts, bloggers, podcasters blah blah blah. Don’t care about them. I have my own thoughts my own mind and my own opinions my own life. Don’t care much at all about these peoples. I’m above it.

    I’m not going to spend any piece of my life on any of them. Flesh and blood life in this earth is limited.

    Cost benefit analysis. They come up short every time.

    Now that is a powerful 0 f~~~s given.

    To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

    #767395

    Eventually there will be a financial collapse. A nice rise in the interest on the debt would eventually cause a runaway debt. Sovereign debt crisis or hyperinflation from printing money will result; which happens depends on the choice made at the end.

    Considering the money is borrowed into existence, there is the possibility of hyperinflation that will blow up. I am not sure about hyperinflation, because the printed money is going into a money hole that is growing, and not the economy. It hasn’t been wages mostly, and globalization has put downward pressure on costs, along with tech advancements.

    Show me a government throughout human history that has every downsized willingly. The problem with the idea of “shrinking the government” is, it works in contrast to the government’s design to expand it’s power and authority whenever possible. That’s what governments do. And THAT concept HAS been proven throughout time. Again, and again and again.

    There isn’t a correlation between taxes and spending. The pitch for reducing taxes was the “starve the beast” argument, which was supposed to put a crisis in place that would force reduction in spending. What you see now, with the recent budget Trump signed, was that other factors besides the debt, are more pressing. Only way to shrink government is to grow the private options, reduce problems, and then show that the government services aren’t needed. Most other options are a form of weaponizing making people worse off, that pits sides against each other. Part of the Trumpian Deplorables backlash against Washington was they crying out that Washington was ignoring them. The basic idea isn’t the lower class Americans are the problem, it is those who aren’t Americans coming in. With this Trump said he wouldn’t cut any spending for them, was a master of debt, and would grow things so huge, the deficit would take care of itself.

    As long as currencies have existed, there have been those who have sought to devalue it and drive said currency down. Inflation is always the most suitable means. But this problem with the currency has happened half a dozen times in the US alone since we broke from Britain. Same deal happened multiple times in Russia, and in Germany (post WWII). You could do this all day. The toll of keeping a currency solvent is an every day battle in itself.

    The motivation to devaluing is to have it such that it makes people buy and consume. It comes out also from a need to charge interest to pay for money being stored. And with the interest comes currency being devalued also. What I see in Cryptocurrency is an ability to expand the money supply organically, and have it tied to economic sectors that grow. You release it in finite bunches, related to different sectors. What you see here, is you keep hearing arguments against deflation, based around the argument that it makes debt unsustainable, like it isn’t a choice. How about debt being unsustainable being a good thing, and economic growth be done differently?

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    Well to be fair…Republican’s have had all 3 branches for almost 2 years now and they haven’t exactly cut much spending either. I’ll appreciate the extra money in my pocket from tax reform but tax cuts + spending increases aren’t exactly the path to a balanced budget.

    The idea isn’t to cut spending, just to use it to score points. To overly simplify, the Democrat/Liberal side wants to punish the well off to make sure those who are less well off do ok enough. The Republican side wants to punish the less well off so that they work harder and become successful. Democrats want security, Republicans want merit. Each side uses pork and spending to get reelected.

    By the way, the U.S government doesn’t know how to put money into the economy without debt.

    "I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

    #767389

    THX could you do everyone a favor and NOT highjack this thread with your Israel/Zionist stuff? OK Israel/Zionism IS NOT THE SUBJECT OF THE THREAD…maybe you should read the title of thread. You highjacked my thread last night about England…and somehow you injected your usual problem with Israel.

    Look how about being adult for a change and limit yourself to the topic on hand—no one likes to be highjacked. If you want to START a thread with you Israel bashing then hey GO FOR IT knock yourself out; but how about growing up and giving the rest of us on the site a break? We’re tired of your highjacking.

    There is a TON of this conspiracy BS going on, where there is some sort of desire to single out some sort of single ethnic group, or collective group, that are conspiring together to destroy the group one is part of by genetics or culture. If it isn’t Jews, it is Muslims. If it isn’t Muslims, it is Mexicans. If it isn’t those it is the Irish or the Catholics, or whatever. It is a whole lot easier to end up saying group X is behind all things, than to try to take ownership, and see the larger picture. The whole entire damn system is now unmanageable, and everyone is scared. The economic system is broken, and there is a crying out for easy answers. The real short answer is that every single basis of all conspiracies show a player in the system. I personally hold none of them can sufficiently do anything about what is going on. But, those who subscribe to a set, are so desperate to recruit for their conspiracy, they will jump in every single place to recruit, hoping they can pull in sufficient numbers to their movement, to affect change. Well, if not that, they can feel smart they have it figured out, while the entire system goes to pot.

    Now that I’ve dealt with the child in the room I will return to the topic at hand. To wit the spending bill. Yes this is a catastrophe for the Trump presidency. The ONLY thing Trump had going for him was the conservative/populist base and he just slammed us. The republicans are a goner in the mid-terms, which means impeachment is back on the table.

    The situation is such that shutting down the government is seen as a worse option. The thing is that there is this entire lesser evil going on, with a basic line: Who else you going to vote for? I know this sounds bad, but the spawns of Satan democrats are worse. So, you have no choice but to vote for us. Be scared! That line of BS is why you have issues here.

    Trump is at fault for signing the bill,…not as much for the situation. 40 to I figure around 60% of republicans hate Trump. Outsider. 99% of the democrats hate the man. The deep state still holds the power.

    I suggest everyone who keeps pushing this whole “Deep State” rationalization to justify every single mess up and failure Trump has, end up finding a few things government IS supposed to do as a safeguard against the situation when an unfit person gets into power and may want to end stop bad things happening. There is so much seeing conspiracies, and blaming them, that if this mindset is acted upon, all safeguards against a dictator will be removed, and you create a dictatorship. I consider this worse than a bunch of government lifers safeguarding their jobs, and their meal ticket. This safeguarding is the usually government inefficiencies. The whole removing these safeguards makes America no longer a Democracy, and this longing for an emperor is not in line with anything fitting America.

    Trump just lost his base supporters. We will lose the House and Senate in November and I expect they will impeach him by January 2019. It is over….

    Where else they going to go? The whole thing is to throw out every single principle you have, in order to avoid a lesser evil.

    Trump just lost his base supporters. We will lose the House and Senate in November and I expect they will impeach him by January 2019. It is over….

    Trump had a huge Libertarian base, but our presidents seem to all serve the same masters without fail. Everything he campaigned on is has already been thrown out the window, all of it. He seemed the non-interventionist, nothing doing on that front, just signed an increased Military budget, still in Syria, permanently, just like everywhere else… A wall? Nothing doing on that front.

    He has very little chance of being reelected, I doubt he gets impeached though, he is being a willing puppet as Israel’s agenda gets furthered at every turn.

    Why the hell would a Libertarian be pro-Trump, unless it is to be anti-Democrat? Trump ran on nationalism, not personal freedom. He pays lip service to whatever will get him support, abut doesn’t have a single damn principle to stand on, outside of maybe “winning at all costs”. And this “winning at all costs” is winning little while costing everything. It is all now a matter of stopping a greater evil, than actually being in positive support of anything.

    There is this fear filter bubble going on, which causes all principles to be thrown out.

    "I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

    #767353

    Anonymous

    Trump just lost his base supporters. We will lose the House and Senate in November and I expect they will impeach him by January 2019. It is over….

    Trump had a huge Libertarian base, but our presidents seem to all serve the same masters without fail. Everything he campaigned on is has already been thrown out the window, all of it. He seemed the non-interventionist, nothing doing on that front, just signed an increased Military budget, still in Syria, permanently, just like everywhere else… A wall? Nothing doing on that front.

    He has very little chance of being reelected, I doubt he gets impeached though, he is being a willing puppet as Israel’s agenda gets furthered at every turn.

    #767341
    Joseph
    Joseph
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    Weak men need other men to worship. I find both the Jordan Peterson male groupies and JP himself absolutely hilarious. These men growing up without fathers or any sense of self respect look to the likes of Trump, JP, sports stars etc etc etc to idolize and give all their attention and thought to.

    I’m too busy living my own life and have too much self respect to idolize or worship any man period. I don’t care what he has to say. I don’t pay any attention to him. I don’t give my money to him every month. I give him nothing.

    I have way more important things to spend my money on than him. Get mad at him. Hate him. Think much about him or have anything to do with him.

    Same thing with politics, same thing with sports, same thing with religion. What do I gain from giving a f~~~ or spending any amount of time energy or effort in these things? What do I get out of it? What does it do for me? How does it benefit me?

    I am absolutely ruthless when it comes to giving away my time, my attention, my money, my energy, or any piece of my life or my property to things that do not personally benefit me in a tangible way shape or form.

    I don’t give a f~~~ about famous people, sports stars, celebrities, politicians, youtubers, social commentators, radio hosts, bloggers, podcasters blah blah blah. Don’t care about them. I have my own thoughts my own mind and my own opinions my own life. Don’t care much at all about these peoples. I’m above it.

    I’m not going to spend any piece of my life on any of them. Flesh and blood life in this earth is limited.

    Cost benefit analysis. They come up short every time.

    This site was sold by its original owner in secret. There is new management that doesn't care about quality. The new site is much better https://theindependentman.org


    Anonymous

    This guy is clearly classic Tradcon or Christian Conservative. In fact, Bob and the likes of him are a dying breed.

    Easy to label folks. If only that worked in the real world… NFG. We all have strong convictions. You’re welcome to yours.

    It does work in the real world, you just did it by stating that one cannot be fiscally conservative while being socially liberal thusly casting a very wide label upon an entire political party (Libertarians), which is patently false as much of the voter base that elected Trump are exactly that, therefore my assumption was/is that you are a Tradcon, as this is an argument that I have heard from these types repeatedly. Trust me, most here know this place attracts both Tradcons and Libertarians, you must be the new guy?

    #767297

    One of their strategies is to break up with their boyfriends if he has red pill knowledge, lol.

    Remember how that worked out for them the last time they tried it.

    trump

    Women trying to regain power and control. That’s what it was always about, except every time they do it now they just throw petrol on the flames. I look forward to seeing this backfire on them as well.

    Is she having a competition to see how many lies she can tell in one article? Here’s the author:

    lies

    I don’t remember Hillary being upset about women tying to influence their men to vote for her using their bodies.

    Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.

    I live on a destroyed and rotting dead body politic once part of the U.S.A. but now deceased by law, order, and corruption. It’s geo-political cancer! That’s right! America HAS CANCER! And it’s not benign! It’s malignant!

    THE CANCER IS EVERYWHERE!

    I look into Karl Marx. Interesting stuff.

    Karl Marx was one of the first to sound the alarm that technology could be used to destroy the family unit.

    Karl Marx was for private gun ownership.

    Karl Marx was against monopolistic practices, where a few people hold all the wealth and control all the industry and political power.

    Karl Marx idea of “globalism” was the people of each nation take control of their nation and prevent outsiders from taking control of their nation. This is more in line what what we consider modern day “nationalism”, which is against modern day globalism. With modern day globalism being the impoverishing of the people through monopolistic practices.

    This is counter to the tactics done by “progressives” and “SJWs”. The “progressives” and “SJWs” claim to be against fascism, but their tactics are fascism.

    On the other hand, it seems that nationalists/Trump supporters are naturally leaning more and more towards classic communism originally envisioned by Karl Marx.

    You cannot make this s~~~ up. (Modern Day Brown Shirts)

    I was not planning to comment on this, but as the day goes on, this is just to much.

    The globalist funded anti-gun ownership groups have organized and sent their useful idiots to D.C.

    The name of the match is called, “March for Our Lives”. Not to be confused with the pro-life “MarchForLife” which had nothing to do with the anti-gun ownership movement: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/03/vulgar-marchforourlives-protesters-flip-off-trump-dc-hotel-wave-obscene-anti-trump-signs-at-anti-gun-march/

    The people at the march believe they are going to start a revolution to take the guns away from the American people: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-24/what-democracy-looks-500000-people-storm-washington-during-march-our-lives

    These fools have been brainwashed into believing that anyone that is not for globalism is a fascist.

    You cannot call this a communist movement.

    Karl Marx was very pro-gun ownership: “To be able forcefully and threateningly to oppose this party, whose betrayal of the workers will begin with the very first hour of victory, the workers must be armed and organized. The whole proletariat must be armed at once with muskets, rifles, cannon and ammunition, and the revival of the old-style citizens’ militia, directed against the workers, must be opposed. Where the formation of this militia cannot be prevented, the workers must try to organize themselves independently as a proletarian guard, with elected leaders and with their own elected general staff; they must try to place themselves not under the orders of the state authority but of the revolutionary local councils set up by the workers. Where the workers are employed by the state, they must arm and organize themselves into special corps with elected leaders, or as a part of the proletarian guard. Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary. The destruction of the bourgeois democrats’ influence over the workers, and the enforcement of conditions which will compromise the rule of bourgeois democracy, which is for the moment inevitable, and make it as difficult as possible – these are the main points which the proletariat and therefore the League must keep in mind during and after the approaching uprising.”

    https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/communist-league/1850-ad1.htm

    No, disarming the people is the core of feudalism and fascism. The globalists are modern day feudalists trying to impoverish the peoples of the world to the point the people are debt serfs to the globalist world order.

    And these useful idiots marching in D.C. today against private gun ownership are modern day brown shirt fascists.

    It really says something when one of the main speakers of the march does a power-fist salute: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/03/hogg-wild-david-hogg-rallies-democrats-in-dc-if-you-listen-real-close-you-can-hear-the-people-in-power-shaking-video/

    You cannot make this s~~~ up.

    They are not even hiding the truth. They are just rubbing our facing in the truth of their open fascism, waiting for us to comment so they can hurt us while claiming we are the fascists.

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