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  • Beer
    Beer
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    Well one has to laugh at the EU complaining about American protectionism; what the hell do they think the EU is other than a tyrannical protection racket.

    Yeah…you can tell who the losers are here by who is crying the hardest. Trump has finally said America is done grabbing its ankles while we export all our jobs and wealth and its sending the rest of the world into a tail spin.

    Most of our imports are stuff we could very easily build here…we just don’t because its all about padding corporate profits. Take iPhones for example…they run a 200-300% profit margin…as in, you pay 2-3x what it cost Apple to produce one. I thought the benefit of exporting manufacturing was we get cheaper goods…but with iPhones clearly we have just sent our jobs over seas and now agree to get gouged on prices. Where do we benefit?

    Apple could build iPhones here, hire Americans, pay them a decent wage, leave prices as is, and still make a mountain of money, or if they want to offshore their production fine, but pass the savings along to the little guy…if we hit companies like Apple with tariffs I say f~~~ing good…I’m all for companies making a profit and I’m about as capitalist as they come, but the problem is we have literally designed a system that pre-Trump spanked businesses here with some of the highest taxes and most regulation in the world and gave them the option to move production over seas and import things tax free…then we sit back scratching our heads wondering why we have stagnant wages and a decreasing standard of living. I don’t blame businesses for doing it, but said policies obviously haven’t had any benefit at all for middle class America…how long do we have to pursue failed policies expecting different results?

    #767253
    Will Robinson
    Will Robinson
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    One of their strategies is to break up with their boyfriends if he has red pill knowledge, lol.

    Remember how that worked out for them the last time they tried it.

    trump

    Women trying to regain power and control. That’s what it was always about, except every time they do it now they just throw petrol on the flames. I look forward to seeing this backfire on them as well.

    Is she having a competition to see how many lies she can tell in one article? Here’s the author:

    lies

    May you walk in peace and happiness, May you and all mgtow, near and far walk in peace and happiness.

    Y_
    Y_
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    This is an excellent piece by one of my favourite economists. I will be taking up the different points he raises in future posts. The exposition provided here is sufficiently detailed to make this article a complete piece on its own. – Y

    There is No “Free Trade” — There Is Only the Darwinian Game of Trade by Charles Hugh Smith [1][2]

    Charles Hugh Smith is an American writer and blogger, and serves as the chief writer for the blog “Of Two Minds”. Started in 2005, this site has been listed No. 7 in CNBC’s top alternative financial sites, and his commentary is featured on a number of sites including The Mises Institute, ZeroHedge, The American Conservative, and Peak Prosperity.

    Defenders and critics of “free trade” and globalization tend to present the issue as either/or.

    It’s either inherently good or bad.

    In the real world, it’s not that simple. The confusion starts with defining free trade (and by extension, globalization).

    In the classical definition of free trade espoused by 18th century British economist David Ricardo, trade is generally thought of as goods being shipped from one nation to another to take advantage of what Ricardo termed comparative advantage:

    Nations would benefit by exporting whatever they produced efficiently and importing what they did not produce efficiently.

    While Ricardo’s concept of free trade is intuitively appealing because it is win-win for importer and exporter, it doesn’t describe the consequences of the mobility of capital.

    Capital — cash, credit, tools and the intangible capital of expertise — moves freely around the globe seeking the highest possible return, pursuing the prime directive of capital: expand or die.

    Capital that fails to expand will stagnate or shrink. If the contraction continues unchecked, the capital eventually vanishes.

    The mobility of capital radically alters the simplistic 18th century view of free trade.

    In today’s world, trade can not be coherently measured as goods moving between nations, because capital from the importing nation owns the productive assets in the exporting nation.

    If Apple owns a factory (or joint venture) in China and collects virtually all the profits from the iGadgets produced there, this reality cannot be captured by the models of simple trade described by Ricardo.

    In today’s globalized version of “free trade,” mobile capital can skim labor, currencies, interest rates, regulatory burdens and political favors by shifting between nations and assets.

    Trying to account for trade in the 18th century manner of goods shipped between nations is nonsensical when components come from a number of nations and profits flow not to the nation of origin but to the owners of capital.

    This was recently described in a Foreign Affairs article, (Mis)leading Indicators:

    If trade numbers more accurately accounted for how products are made, it is possible that the United States would not have any trade deficit at all with China. The problem, in short, is that trade figures are currently calculated based on the assumption that each product has a single country of origin and that the declared value of that product goes to that country.

    Thus, every time an iPhone or an iPad rolls off the factory floors of Foxconn (Apple’s main contractor in China) and travels to the port of Long Beach, California, it is counted as an import from China, since that is where it undergoes its final “substantial transformation.”

    That is the criterion the World Trade Organization (WTO) uses to determine which goods to assign to which countries.

    Every iPhone that Apple sells in the United States adds roughly $200 to the U.S.-Chinese trade deficit, according to the calculations of three economists who looked at the issue in 2010.

    That means that by 2013, Apple’s U.S. iPhone sales alone were adding $6-$8 billion to the trade deficit with China every year, if not more.

    A more reasonable standard, of course, would recognize that iPhones and iPads do not have a single country of origin.

    More than a dozen companies from at least five countries supply parts for them. Infineon Technologies, in Germany, makes the wireless chip; Toshiba, in Japan, manufactures the touchscreen; and Broadcom, in the United States, makes the Bluetooth chips that let the devices connect to wireless headsets or keyboards.

    Analysts differ over how much of the final price of an iPhone or an iPad should be assigned to what country, but no one disputes that the largest slice should go not to China but to the United States.

    That intellectual property, along with the marketing, is the largest source of the iPhone’s value.

    Taking these facts into account would leave China, the supposed country of origin, with a paltry piece of the pie.

    Analysts estimate that as little as $10 of the value of every iPhone or iPad actually ends up in the Chinese economy, in the form of income paid directly to Foxconn or other contractors.

    This is no longer the world of David Ricardo. In a world dominated by mobile capital, mobile capital is the comparative advantage.

    Mobile capital can borrow billions of dollars (or equivalent) in one nation at low rates of interest and then use that money to outbid domestic capital for assets in another nation with few sources of credit.

    Mobile capital can overwhelm the local political system, buying favors and cutting deals, all with cash borrowed at near-zero interest rates. Mobile capital can buy up and exploit resources and cheap labor until the resource is depleted or competition cuts profit margins.

    At that point, mobile capital closes the factories, fires the employees and moves on.

    Where is the “free trade” in a world in which the comparative advantage is held by mobile capital? And what gives mobile capital its essentially unlimited leverage?

    Central banks issuing trillions of dollars in nearly-free money to banks and other financial institutions that funnel the free cash to corporations and financiers, who can then roam the world snapping up assets and exploiting global imbalances with nearly-free money.

    There’s nothing remotely “free” about trade based not on Ricardo’s simple concept of comparative advantage but on capital flows unleashed by central bank liquidity.

    The gains reaped by mobile capital flow to those who control mobile capital: global corporations, financiers and banks.

    No wonder labor’s share of the economy is stagnating across the globe while corporate profits reach unprecedented heights.

    Rising income and wealth inequality is causally linked to globalization and the expansion of Darwinian trade and capital flows.

    Stripped of lofty-sounding abstractions such as comparative advantage, trade boils down to four Darwinian goals:

    1. Find foreign markets to absorb excess production, i.e. where excess production can be dumped.

    2. Extract foreign resources at low prices.

    3. Deny geopolitical rivals access to these resources.

    4. Open foreign markets to domestic capital and credit so domestic capital can buy up all the productive assets and resources, a dynamic I explained above.

    All the blather about “free trade” is window dressing and propaganda. Nobody believes in risking completely free trade; to do so would be to open the doors to foreign domination of key resources, assets and markets.

    Trade is all about securing advantages in a Darwinian struggle to achieve or maintain dominance.

    As I pointed out back in 2005, the savings accrued by consumers due to opening trade with China were estimated at $100 billion over 27 years (1978 to 2005), while corporate profits expanded by trillions of dollars.

    In other words, consumers got a nickel of savings while corporations banked a dollar of pure profit as sticker prices barely budged while input costs plummeted. Corporations pocketed the difference, not consumers.

    As a longtime correspondent of mine noted, restricting trade may be one of the few ways smaller nations have to avoid their resources and assets being swallowed up by mobile capital flowing out of nations with virtually unlimited credit (the US, the EU, China and Japan).

    Protecting fragile domestic industries with tariffs has a long history, including in the U.S., as Jim Rickards has pointed out in The Daily Reckoning.

    But the real action isn’t in tariffs: it’s in the bureaucratic tools to limit trade and the soft and hard power plays that secure cheap resources while denying access to those resources to geopolitical rivals.

    The bureaucratic means of restricting imports have been raised to an art in Japan and other export-dependent nations: there may not be any visible tariffs, just bureaucratic sinkholes that tie up imports in red tape.

    Then there’s currency manipulation, for example, China’s peg to the U.S. dollar. What’s the “free market” price of Chinese goods in the U.S.?

    Nobody knows because the peg protects China from its own currency being too strong or too weak to benefit its export-dependent economy.

    Those bleating about “free trade” are simply pushing a Darwinian strategy that benefits them above everyone else.

    U.S. corporate profits have quadrupled since China entered the World Trade Organization (WTO); is this mere coincidence?

    No; global corporations took advantage of labor, credit, taxes, environmental/regulatory and currency inputs to dramatically lower their costs (and the quality of the goods they sold credit-dependent consumers) and thus boost profits four-fold in a mere 15 years.

    They did this while tossing the hapless consumers a few nickels of “lower prices always” (and lower quality always, too).

    The Neoliberal Agenda trumpets “free trade” because “free trade” is a cover for “free capital flows.”

    Once capital is free to flow from central-bank fueled global corporations, no domestic bidder can outbid foreign mobile capital, as those closest to the central bank credit spigots can borrow essentially unlimited sums at near-zero rates — an unmatched advantage when it comes to snapping up resources and assets.

    If we ask cui bono, to whose benefit?, we find the consumer has received shoddy goods and paltry discounts from “free trade,” while corporations, banks and financiers have benefited enormously.

    Rising income and wealth inequality is causally linked to globalization and the expansion of Darwinian trade and capital flows: the winners are few and the losers are many.

    Tariffs will not solve the larger problems of reduced employment, stagnant wages and rising income inequality.

    To make a dent in those issues, we’ll need to tackle central bank and central-state policies that have pushed financial speculation to supremacy over the productive economy.

    Regards,

    Charles Hugh Smith
    for The Daily Reckoning

    Citation
    [1] https://dailyreckoning.com/central-banks-killed-free-trade/
    [2] https://dailyreckoning.com/no-free-trade-darwinian-game-trade/

    #767210
    MarketWatcher
    MarketWatcher
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    Trump just lost his base supporters. We will lose the House and Senate in November and I expect they will impeach him by January 2019. It is over….

    Y_
    Y_
    Participant

    Regardless of other issues Trump has made THE WALL his Alamo.

    He either wins or dies there. I believe to him it’s a symbol of his fight against all-comers.

    If he caves in on THE WALL – the fight is over.

    I did not expect the wall to be built. I expected Trump to be another bull s~~~ politician like all the rest.

    He has kept 60% of his campaign promises within a year of coming into office. That is a good track record.

    Among the tax cut is the insurance penalty is no longer in effect. Plus a lot more money for those Americans living on Main Street.

    He got the oil industry in the U.S. to go full out, which is wrecking havoc with the international oil companies. The foreign companies keep cutting back to keep the price up, while the U.S. oil companies keep pumping more oil driving the price down.

    This is why the oil price keep having weekly $0.30 cent a gallon swings on price.

    He has done a lot of other stuff, including a new Supreme Court justice.

    And yes, I love guns, and I believe bump-stocks should be banned because they are devices that create rapid fire without control, and they were likely allowed by the government be legal in the hopes something happening to be used to ban guns in general.

    He dropped the ball on one issue. That happens.

    Are you looking for Mr. Perfect? I am not.

    I am looking forward to the possibility of NATFA being either renegotiated or dropped, likely this summer. Either of which the President can do without congress.

    He will get the wall done, one way or another. If NATFA is dropped, that could spark a war with Mexico. That would be enough reason for a wall between the U.S. and Mexico.

    The only thing I learned from the Trump campaign: USA is headed for a Civil War. Racial Tensions escalated to fever pitch under Obama. Obama sowed the seeds of racial hatred and Trump is reaping in the Harvest.

    That was already happening, the only difference is the progressives have driven the SJWs to be the ones to start the violence.

    It'sallbs
    It’sallbs
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    I expected Trump to be another bull s~~~ politician like all the rest.

    So did I.

    http://www.leavemeansleave.eu


    Anonymous

    I did not expect the wall to be built. I expected Trump to be another bull s~~~ politician like all the rest.

    The only thing I learned from the Trump campaign: USA is headed for a Civil War. Racial Tensions escalated to fever pitch under Obama. Obama sowed the seeds of racial hatred and Trump is reaping in the Harvest.

    Groups like Antifa, Black Lives Matter, are very dangerous. They are being used by George Soros and his ilk, to create a Revolution. The USA is in serious risk of a Bolshevik style takeover. That is what I am afraid of in the near future.

    I am sure the same people pulling the strings in the USA are also bringing in the Migrants into Europe. We will see something similar unfold, when the Race Riots start in Sweden, Germany, and the UK.

    I don’t think the US is bad I think the deep state and it’s poodle charlatans that keep lying to you are bad.

    Those whom voted for President Trump see the lies.

    Before the 2016 November election, comments such as the “deep state” were ridiculed as conspiracy theory. Now, it is conspiracy fact.

    Everyone in the U.S. is waiting for the other shoe to drop.

    Also, people forget that President Trump is a counter-puncher. He thrives on responding to political attacks.

    After his political loss yesterday with that pork spending bill he was forced to sign, his ego will demand he respond in a large way.

    As for how the U.S. population is. The U.S. population has been divided. Deeply divided. The one thing most of the voters agree on, whether it be nationalists/Trump supporters, or SJWs, is that the system needs to be changed. The question is how the system should be changed.

    Unfortunately, the progressives have been brainwashed the SJWs people into wanted to destroy the nationalists/Trump supporters, with the justification that those that disagree with them are fascists, even though it is the SJWs using fascist tactics.

    The only good news is that most SJWs and progressives are in the large cities and not armed. Mostly in and around fifteen locations where major cities are located.

    Meanwhile Trump supporters/nationalists are spread out in the rural and small town areas and whom are heavily armed.

    To give you an idea of the size of just the U.S. mainland, not counting Alaska. The mainland is almost the side of Europe.

    #767154
    It'sallbs
    It’sallbs
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    during increasingly bitter tree-felling dispute as female demonstrator arrested for ‘tooting’ an orange plastic TRUMPET.

    Well is anyone really surprised.

    Peterloo Massacre
    Minors Strike (battle of Orgreave)
    Poll Tax Protest
    Barton Mass (anti fracking protest where a policeman is on film trying to arrest a pedestrian protester for drink driving)
    Many of you will remember the death of Ian Tomlinson who was trying to find a route home after the police blocked off all routes during the G20 protest. Ian was not even a protestor. ad of course e the PC was cleared of any wrong doing.

    They told similar lies after Hillsborough saying fans p~~~ed on and robbed the dead and stopped the injured being treated. All lies by 2 police forces 30 years of cover ups and changing of witness statements -why is no one in prison/
    Guildford 4
    Birmingham 6
    Brutality against ravers for over 20 years

    That is just a short sample of a very long list.

    We have always lived in a police state where the innocent are beaten up and convicted of false charges.

    http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

    #767115

    Anonymous

    The appeal of Putin to Russian females is clearly sexual.

    That is why, during the election I was never really scared.

    Hitlary looks like an old about to retire school marm.

    Men and a lot of heterosexual women voted for Trump.


    Anonymous

    Persistence will whittle away gun rights until the population is disarmed, docile, and controllable to their own demise.

    Female empowerment has removed all responsibility and ethical conduct within any society it infiltrates.

    The constitution has become a geo-legal-political toilet where all who oppose it can now take a s~~~.

    Trump for starters by signing the unconstitutional spending bill.

    America is diseased and dying, no question about it!

    #766910

    And it is just that, an illusion. I look at women now and simply have quiet disdain. Even the hot ones don’t make me interested. Just knowing truly what they are and how they think now makes me nauseous. They hold no fascination whatsoever for me now. It is sad and final to know the truth about them. It’s as if anything that we will do will just be less of a disappointment.

    P. S. Thanks Trump for selling us out. I pretty much done with politics and voting. Let the mother f~~~erz burn this system down.

    For in much wisdom is much grief, and he who increases knowledge increases sorrow.

    Beer
    Beer
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    I was speaking of social liberal’s desire to “set things right” and spending inordinate amounts of money in that pursuit.

    It seems a lot like you are defaulting to the mind set that democrat = socially liberal…and with the current crop of democrats in this country, that is wrong. For example…a true socially liberal person would respect other people’s freedom of speech and right to assemble even when they don’t agree with the message that person may be delivering…yet modern democrats seem increasingly unable to do that as they think those rights are only reserved for those they agree with.

    In other words…those democrat Antifa assholes that were out rioting and damaging other people’s property right after Trump got elected…yeah…those idiots aren’t socially liberal. If they were they wouldn’t be turning to violence, intimidation, and trying to silence the opposition…they’d have a little more respect for people who may think differently then them.

    #766736

    There are a lot of rage quits on Trump on Breitbart comments because of his signing.

    Ok, if Trump does veto. Then what? This battle will drag along and along for a long time while everyone will blame him for shutting down the government.

    Trump was set up by both the D and R. He knows he cannot win this time; better cut the loss to at least get the fund he wants for the military.

    So many right wingers got so mad, but be realistic, you win some and you lose some. The battle isn’t over yet.

    This. Exactly this.

    I don’t think so—I think bait was dangled in front of him and he took it—and the point was to alienate the base from the President.

    The point is to destroy the American people. This is gone behind just getting President Trump removed. Listen to the globalists, progressives, SJWs. They want the American people whom voted for President Trump to be ground into the dirt and erased from existence. They censor, economically harm, and the SJWs openly assault pro-American voters. The only people in DC whom gives a damn about the American people is President Trump and some of his cabinet.

    This is a spending bill, not a repeal of the tax cut, nor amnesty. It is a loss, but not a major loss.

    The congress bought that spending bill by buying votes with list of pork projects. This is the type of shortsighted greed where by these fools might someday tried to vote to give themselves all the wealth in the U.S.

    But, that is another matter.

    Today was not the end of the world. If you believe it is, then you need some perspective on what is happening in the world.

    For example there is this: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-23/china-says-us-warship-sailing-near-spratly-islands-severe-provocation

    But, what should really concern everyone is this: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-03-22/iran-pakistan-corridor-geopolitical-powder-keg

    China now has an inland route into the heart of the Middle East. And China accomplished this not by force of arms but by diplomacy.

    Should China decide to invade the Middle East with their military, they can use this route which bypasses sea routes and air routes, which side steps any U.S. or Russian military threats of stopping such a military movement China.

    You have to show your hand on an veto over ride.

    I agree that there was no way they would have the votes to override a veto.

    In Congress, the vote was 256 to 167. They only needed 290 votes for the two-thirds override.

    In the Senate the vote 65 to 32. They only need two more votes for the two-thirds override.

    #766711
    743 roadmaster
    743 roadmaster
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    Trump is at fault for signing the bill,…not as much for the situation.

    You do not understand. President Trump did not want them to override his veto. This would start something that would destroy the nation. The establishment would all but openly admit to be one party and have two thirds votes in the congress and senate to pass bad laws the President’s veto would not stop.

    IDK, republicans as a whole are damned spin less. You have to show your hand on an veto over ride. That would play big back home. Trump is the people’s man. No matter how hard the media tries to sway that. With some of the old main stays already fearing the next wave and getting out now, the rest would not show their hand. Would not have the votes.

    mgtow is its own worst enemy- https://www.campusreform.org/

    #766703

    Anonymous

    Ok, now I am out for real,

    OK the MGTOW playground bully has left the room. You know I think I know why he never starts threads on his views of Israel/Zionists etc. but rather injects and highjacks the threads of others. If he started threads no one would bother to comment so highjack the threads of others to insure attention is given to his agenda. Its kind of like he is channeling/emulating PLO terrorists. They highjacked planes and killed innocent civilians to gain attention—so THX highjacks and kills innocent threads because he can’t get attention any other way.
    I actually feel sorry for the guy because on non-Israel issues I usually end up agreeing with his points. He really needs to unf~~~ his mind and show others on the site a little respect and consideration.

    Holy s~~~, you need meds. You mind is the one f~~~ed with Religious bias. Flip the situation upside down in the U.S. and the Mid East and you would strap dynamite to your chest and run into a school filled with Muslim children. But no, your Religious bias has you granting rights to some and not to others. You are seriously a sick human being Pete. Even some of the MGTOW who have met you in person, Christians, one asked me to come into chat with you all a few times because we share the same views, and the other clearly believes 9/11 was an inside job and has said that much of what I say has value.

    You can’t see it, but you are the sick f~~~er who justifies funding wars of aggression and the oppression of a people based on Religious Bias that you are unable to break free from. Because rest assured, if the tables were flipped you would be singing an entirely different tune.

    You are a dinosaur Pete, religion is dying in the West, especially the sick type like yours, it won’t be long now before there is almost zero support for Israel on the ground level. As it stands if the U.S. were to have every citizen to vote on these wars we fight for Israel and the money we give to Israel the outcome would be around 70% or more voting no, easily. And once again, this brings us back to my original post in this thread that you objected to so vehemently.

    The man with no argument always tries to drag the conversation down into the mud. Have a look in the mirror Pete, that man is you.

    #766699
    Heave-Ho Mgtow
    Heave-Ho Mgtow
    Participant

    Remember that this was not a budget. It was another kick of the can for six months. This leads to September for the next show.

    Since it’s not a budget, can the president just slow pay some things and shift some money around?

    The Congress is supposed to present the president with a budget. They did not. Yes, I am not happy with the result. I hold faith that there is more behind the curtain then we see.

    Trump said never again. I will hold him to his word. This is our last hope at retaking back the government. If he does not stand by his word today, he looses any credibility and we should just burn the damn thing down.

    skip the cavernous vag and go your own way

    #766697

    Anonymous

    Ironically, I was thinking the same things towards you. That some of you are channeling SJWs

    That’s cute. I am the furthest thing from a SJW you will find. Every single thing I argue is based on my wallet my choice, and therefore whatever seems to be reaching into my pocket to further it’s agenda the most I will push back against the most at every turn. And here we are, president after lying president, we keep serving Israel’s interests…Big Military (huge part of what Trump just signed) fighting their wars of aggression for them, for eternity. Get ISIS and get out of Syria? More puppet president lies… It would only be slightly different if Israel weren’t such the s~~~heads they are in their treatment of Palestinians. Either way, I don’t like paying for other people’s s~~~, ESPECIALLY if that includes funding mass killing and invasions of countries who attacked nobody, often proven to be based on lies, extremely thin humanitarian reasons that ALWAYS make things worse, and Religious nonsense which grants God given rights to some groups of people and not others.

    Ok, now I am out for real,
    Shalom

    #766696
    PistolPete
    PistolPete
    Participant

    From the actions this morning, it seems that President Trump struck a back room deal. The question for what was agreed upon.

    I don’t think so—I think bait was dangled in front of him and he took it—and the point was to alienate the base from the President. They have been trying to do that from the get go and now they have been provided the tool.

    Mark my words this isn’t the beginning of the end of the Trump presidency but it is the end of the beginning of events that will result in a legal/political coup d’ te.

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