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  • DarkRyu
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    Most people that actively seek power are corrupt asshole narcissists that say they’re going to do one thing and do the exact opposite once they’re in. Unfortunately the only thing you can do is try to hire a good person and when you find out they’re f~~~wads and they try to f~~~ people, hit the eject button on their ass and get them out of there. Maybe if Trump fires enough of them they’ll stop trying to worm their way in there because they know they’ll get canned.


    Anonymous

    The alternative I prefer is being able to hire people who do a good job and don’t need to be fired.

    That is one alternative, the alternative that I was thinking of was to not fire the people b/c it makes you ‘look bad’.

    I think we can all agree that Trump is not business as usual.

    Business as usual sux-ass, lets wait and see.

    My guess would be b/c this is new territory for Trump mixed in with members of his cabinet getting attacked 24/7.

    Personally, I like the fact he fires people that aren’t doing a good job. Would you prefer the alternative?

    The alternative I prefer is being able to hire people who do a good job and don’t need to be fired. I prefer not to have to settle on garbage choice of bad things to begin with. There is a lot of things I prefer that don’t happen. It is so easy to get garbage when you settle.

    The question here, as a more useful example, would be one of how you go about and find competent people who don’t need to be fired. Competent people here are both people who can do the job, and have the right intentions.

    "I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.


    Anonymous

    My guess would be b/c this is new territory for Trump mixed in with members of his cabinet getting attacked 24/7.

    Personally, I like the fact he fires people that aren’t doing a good job. Would you prefer the alternative?

    What should be more concerning is as the establishment continue to refuse to allow the Trump Administration to be staffed, there will reach a point where President Trump will hit the “f~~~ it” button, he will put the people he wants in the positions by executive order, and he will tell the Congress and Courts to go shove it where the sun don’t sign.

    At which point the situation either leads to impeachment which sparks civil war, or dictatorship.

    Is every attack against those who pitch the theory of a deep state undermining Trump, considered to be by the government? Typically, those pushing the theory of the deep state out to destroy Trump, also are also anti-SJW and anti-social progressive. I would say a number of attacks can also come from SJWs and progressive tech types who also dislike Trump for a number of reasons. You will have those who are anti-drug war Libertarian types who hate Sessions.

    It is best to not presume that every single DDoS attack would be by the government. There are others involved also. It might also be a heavy weight guy on a bed somewhere, who got ticked off at fat shaming, or something…

    "I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

    It appears Trump is having issues of finding individuals who both know what they are doing, and also aren’t part of the swamp (or support the swamp?). Why is it that difficult to find anyone? It isn’t just a case of canning people who were there prior. But, you have the case of Trump going on his third National Security Advisor, and other things. Trump is looking at replacing the head of the VA, for whatever reason also. You also have people who have resigned, which is often the case of an individuals leaving before being fired.

    Why is it so difficult? What I will say here is that it may be expected to have things higher than normal, because the idea is to change, not maintain things as they are. But why is it so difficult?

    Fox News and others made mention of it, and you can do your own research on it. Here is just one article:
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/02/turnover-investigations-have-trump-administration-adrift.html

    And Business Insider:
    http://www.businessinsider.com/trump-turnover-rate-firings-resignations-compared-obama-bush-clinton-2018-3

    Why is Trump having problems finding people who fit here? Why is it so hard to find the best people for the job?

    "I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

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    Anonymous

    Ha ha ha
    Some great blog titles on there. Great LOLs

    Here’s What Trans People Really Think Of Your Dress Code
    Here’s How We Can Center Queer & Trans Survivors In The #MeToo Movement
    8 Things You Need To Know About The Uncertain State of Trans Employment Under Trump
    10 Examples of Straight Privilege

    And my personal favourite
    19 Examples of Ability Privilege

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    Anonymous

    I hope so.
    I knew Trump would do some stuff I wouldn’t care for like the new spending bill but overall he is a yuge improvement over Oturd.

    Murinees
    Murinees
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    Donald Trump tweeted out he is going to build the wall with the BIG military money from the Omnibus Bill.

    “Because of the $700 & $716 Billion Dollars gotten to rebuild our Military, many jobs are created and our Military is again rich. Building a great Border Wall, with drugs (poison) and enemy combatants pouring into our Country, is all about National Defense. Build WALL through M!”

    “Much can be done with the $1.6 Billion given to building and fixing the border wall. It is just a down payment. Work will start immediately. The rest of the money will come – and remember DACA, the Democrats abandoned you (but we will not)!”

    Gargamel
    Gargamel
    Spectator

    It’s natural to be aggressive. I’m very angry at this point, because it suppressed my natural abilities to possess wealth or goals that I want. Trump is a good example of that taking and getting what he wants. And I had it with women suppressing my aggression.

    All c~~~s tried to get me under control and because this was a futile effort they always predicted:

    “With this attitude, you will never get a girlfriend and wife”

    As if this was a loss.

    LOL.

    I became accustomed to life-long MGTOW life at a very early age. Between age 6 to 9.

    As a kid, way before the hormones came, I already thought:

    If it means giving up my personality only to get “satisfaction for my dick” than the price is too high.

    Well, later on in my youth, I also thought:

    “If women break the spirit of all men like they tried with me, this society will die one day”.

    Seems that I was right 40 years ago.

    That “gynocentric programming” – making you give up all of your hobbies and everything that brings you joy – has ONE BIG background agenda:

    Men are seen as slaves to the lazy women. They need the man for EVERYTHING and any household choir you can think of.
    And whatever the man does which is “of no use” to a woman will take away time he can not slave for her – or it is time that makes him “emotionally unavailable” to her endless “commands”.

    “Do this, do that” and “How long do I have to wait???” only works if he is there and not busy doing any hobby.

    Ever noticed that women always whine and complain when they have to do the easiest s~~~ in the household by themselves?

    My mother left me the dishes as a kid and yelled and threw them around when I sometimes refused to do it. Or when I simply forgot.

    And we had a good Miele dishwasher!

    And I was responsible for the entire place to be cleaned… The dirt HER CATS had made!!!!!!

    I was always responsible for EVERYTHING that caused her SO MUCH WORK and kept her from watching “ice skating” (1970’s) or “tennis” (1980’s) on TV.

    No wonder why I hate sports on TV.

    My mother was the one who was “unavailable” in all respects when the TV was on.

    And I was being “guilt-yelled-at” (not just guilt-shamed) whenever I did something that did not suit her needs.

    I survived the plantation back when I was a kid.

    She couldn’t exploit my father as he would just roll over and sleep when he came home from 10 hours of hard mechanic work…

    …and so she grabbed me as her substitute household slave.

    My life success took off when I moved out. And she is now complaining to her cats.

    A close friend told me once: I wonder why you still treat women with so much respect. Most other boys would have become a serial killer.

    Well that is where serial killers and mass shooters come from.

    It is clear to me how many single mothers do that – enslaving their sons – and turning them into future criminals that way. To me the “85 per cent jail inmate” statistics are well explained.

    On top of that: I can write a book on how much hate the c~~~s tried to fill me up with.

    In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim (.pdf file)

    With each passing day it is becoming clearer the deep state is in trouble.

    The last thirty years, since the fall of the Soviet Union have spoiled the deep state. They have forgotten how to negotiate. They incorrectly believe that threats and ultimatums are negotiating.

    Those the deep state use to give cover for their actions have lost the ability to debate and instead they shout down and censor those whom disagree with them.

    Even those lower on the ladder cannot keep control of their own narratives for one day.

    Those doing the youth gun control march yesterday wanted the march to appear to be a natural grassroots movement of a diverse number of young protesters.

    As far as those outside the SJW bubbles are concerned, this was a “casual Friday” style (no uniforms) modern day youth brown shirt nazi march.

    All those in the march did was cause the gun owners to grip their firearms more tightly as they realize the nation has strayed further from the path of freedom than they had previously thought.

    That the fascists have organized in the U.S. and they claim to be anti-fascists while accuse everyone that supports freedom of being fascists. The hypocrisy on this matter is off the scale.

    To add to this s~~~show, it has come out, to no one’s suprised, that this whole march was funded by the DNC, with the DNC being the shell organization for the funding from other sources because the DNC is broke: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/03/figures-marchforourlives-protests-were-funded-and-organized-by-democratic-national-committee/

    http://theweek.com/speedreads/752743/dnc-reportedly-dead-broke-rnc-nearly-40-million

    Razorfist put it best:

    On a side note: There are rumors that President Trump is planning use his authority to reallocate, or not use, the funding in the omnibus spending bill, because since the bill is a “spending bill” and not a “budget bill” as president he has the authority to do so.

    743 roadmaster
    743 roadmaster
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    It is just going to become more common. Trump has not cleaned house and is starting to look weak even before signing that last disaster. Don’t expect Hannity to be on the air much longer being I think the loudest voice.

    mgtow is its own worst enemy- https://www.campusreform.org/

    Old Buck
    Old Buck
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    These are inside attacks, no doubt FBI / CIA / NSA / (insert acronym here) are trying to keep Obama operatives in place as Trump keeps flushing the toilet on these turds. It is not the agencies directly, but again, Obama operatives INSIDE our government trying to derail the Presidency.

    Don't chase tail. Turn yours around, walk away, and live free!

    #767897
    It'sallbs
    It’sallbs
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    It'sallbs
    It’sallbs
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    hey are just smoke/mirrors for the masses. The real problem is the federal reserve turning our economy into a casino for the benefit of a wealthy elite.

    Correct like I always said Trump is just an actor working for his own need to have power and is a system controlled stooge.

    http://www.leavemeansleave.eu

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    FunInTheSun
    FunInTheSun
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    https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2018/03/donald-trump-jr-vanessa-trump-divorce-details

    Women. Not worth it. No value. And as you can tell from the link above, its all HIS fault.

    If Vanessa wanted more money for expensive dinners, she could’ve done some modeling for women’s magazines. She has the ability to earn a living while the nanny is watching the kids. There must be 1000 different ways to cash in on President Trump’s fame.

    Besides that, isn’t being a full time mother supposed to be a tough but fulfilling job (according to hundreds of women I’ve heard make this claim)? Consider all the mothers who raise their kids with a $40,000 a year household income and compare that to Vanessa’s “oppression.”

    "I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)

    Y_
    Y_
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    [This 4-part post is for our good bro Faust For Science – I hope he likes it and all of you as well.

    The ‘3-part series’ mentioned in the first paragraph of the article below will be Parts 2 to 4 of this 4-part post. This Part 1 contains combined articles by Partick Martin and Barry Gray as a primer to the main topic and stands on its own.

    It is to be noted the authors have their own views on POTUS and Republicans as well. This does not detract from the thrust of the topic or the information presented, which I urge are the items of critical import to be acted on.

    Lastly I have removed some small parts of the original article that did not contribute to the main discussion or narrative. No context has been lost therein The original can be viewed as linked in the Citations list at the end of this post.

    Again, thank you for reading. – Y]

    Trump's Swamp Draining Service

    The CIA Takeover of the Democratic Party : Part 1A of 4

    Patrick Martin of the World Socialist Web Site [1]
    Published by the International Committee of the Fourth International (ICFI)
    13th March 2018

    In a three-part series published last week, the World Socialist Web Site documented an unprecedented influx of intelligence and military operatives into the Democratic Party.

    More than 50 such military-intelligence candidates are seeking the Democratic nomination in the 102 districts identified by the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee as its targets for 2018. These include both vacant seats and those with Republican incumbents considered vulnerable in the event of a significant swing to the Democrats.

    If on November 6, 2018 the Democratic Party makes the net gain of 24 seats needed to win control of the House of Representatives, former CIA agents, military commanders, and State Department officials will provide the margin of victory and hold the balance of power in Congress.

    The presence of so many representatives of the military-intelligence apparatus in the legislature is a situation without precedent in the history of the United States.

    Since its establishment in 1947—under the administration of Democratic President Harry Truman—the CIA has been legally barred from carrying out within the United States the activities which were its mission overseas: spying, infiltration, political provocation, assassination. These prohibitions were given official lip service but ignored in practice.

    In the wake of the Watergate crisis and the forced resignation of President Richard Nixon, reporter Seymour Hersh published the first devastating exposure of the CIA domestic spying, in an investigative report for the New York Times on December 22, 1974.

    This report triggered the establishment of the Rockefeller Commission, a White House effort at damage control, and Senate and House select committees, named after their chairmen, Senator Frank Church and Representative Otis Pike, which conducted hearings and made serious attempts to investigate and expose the crimes of the CIA, FBI and National Security Agency.

    The Church Committee in particular featured the exposure of CIA assassination plots against foreign leaders like Fidel Castro, Patrice Lumumba in the Congo, General Rene Schneider in Chile, and many others.

    More horrors were uncovered:

    MK-Ultra, in which the CIA secretly subjected unwitting victims to experimentation with drugs like LSD;

    Operation Mockingbird, in which the CIA recruited journalists to plant stories and smear opponents;

    Operation Chaos, an effort to spy on the antiwar movement and sow disruption;

    Operation Shamrock, under which the telecommunications companies shared traffic with the NSA for more than a quarter century.

    The Church and Pike committee exposures, despite their limitations, had a devastating political effect. The CIA and its allied intelligence organizations in the Pentagon and NSA became political lepers, reviled as the enemies of democratic rights.

    The CIA in particular was widely viewed as “Murder Incorporated.”

    In that period, it would have been unthinkable either for dozens of “former” military-intelligence operatives to participate openly in electoral politics, or for them to be welcomed and even recruited by the two corporate-controlled parties.

    The Democrats and Republicans sought to distance themselves, at least for public relations purposes, from the spy apparatus, while the CIA publicly declared that it would no longer recruit or pay American journalists to publish material originating in Langley, Virginia.

    Even in the 1980s, the Iran-Contra scandal involved the exposure of the illegal operations of the Reagan administration’s CIA director, William Casey.

    How times have changed.

    One of the main functions of the “war on terror,” launched in the wake of the September 11, 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, has been to rehabilitate the US spy apparatus and give it a public relations makeover as the supposed protector of the American people against terrorism.

    This meant disregarding the well-known connections between Osama bin Laden and other Al Qaeda leaders and the CIA, which recruited them for the anti-Soviet guerrilla war in Afghanistan, waged from 1979 to 1989, as well as the still unexplained role of the US intelligence agencies in facilitating the 9/11 attacks themselves.

    The last 15 years have seen a massive expansion of the CIA and other intelligence agencies, backed by an avalanche of media propaganda, with endless television programs and movies glorifying American spies and assassins (24, Homeland, Zero Dark Thirty, etc.)

    The American media has been directly recruited to this effort.

    Judith Miller of the New York Times, with her reports on “weapons of mass destruction” in Iraq, is only the most notorious of the stable of “plugged-in” intelligence-connected journalists at the Times, the Washington Post, and the major television networks.

    More recently, the Times has installed as its editorial page editor James Bennet, brother of a Democratic senator and son of the former administrator of the Agency for International Development, which has been accused of working as a front for the operations of the Central Intelligence Agency.

    The media campaign alleging Russian intervention in the 2016 US elections has been based entirely on handouts from the CIA, NSA and FBI, transmitted by reporters who are either unwitting stooges or conscious agents of the military-intelligence apparatus. This has been accompanied by the recruitment of a cadre of top CIA and military officials to serve as highly paid “experts” and “analysts” for the television networks.

    In centering its opposition to Trump on the bogus allegations of Russian interference, while essentially ignoring Trump’s attacks on immigrants and democratic rights, his alignment with ultra-right and white supremacist groups, his attacks on social programs like Medicaid and food stamps, and his militarism and threats of nuclear war, the Democratic Party has embraced the agenda of the military-intelligence apparatus and sought to become its main political voice.

    This process was well under way in the administration of Barack Obama, which endorsed and expanded the various operations of the intelligence agencies abroad and within the United States. Obama’s endorsed successor, Hillary Clinton, ran openly as the chosen candidate of the Pentagon and CIA, touting her toughness as a future commander-in-chief and pledging to escalate the confrontation with Russia, both in Syria and Ukraine.

    The CIA has spearheaded the anti-Russia campaign against Trump in large part because of resentment over the disruption of its operations in Syria, and it has successfully used the campaign to force a shift in the policy of the Trump administration on that score.

    A chorus of media backers—Nicholas Kristof and Roger Cohen of the New York Times, the entire editorial board of the Washington Post, most of the television networks—are part of the campaign to pollute public opinion and whip up support on alleged “human rights” grounds for an expansion of the US war in Syria.

    The 2018 election campaign marks a new stage: for the first time, military-intelligence operatives are moving in large numbers to take over a political party and seize a major role in Congress.

    The dozens of CIA and military veterans running in the Democratic Party primaries are “former” agents of the military-intelligence apparatus. This “retired” status is, however, purely nominal. Joining the CIA or the Army Rangers or the Navy SEALs is like joining the Mafia: no one ever actually leaves; they just move on to new assignments.

    The CIA operation in 2018 is unlike its overseas activities in one major respect: it is not covert.

    On the contrary, the military-intelligence operatives running in the Democratic primaries boast of their careers as spies and special ops warriors. Those with combat experience invariably feature photographs of themselves in desert fatigues or other uniforms on their websites. And they are welcomed and given preferred positions, with Democratic Party officials frequently clearing the field for their candidacies.

    The working class is confronted with an extraordinary political situation. On the one hand, the Republican Trump administration has more military generals in top posts than any other previous government. On the other hand, the Democratic Party has opened its doors to a “friendly takeover” by the intelligence agencies.

    The incredible power of the military-intelligence agencies over the entire government is an expression of the breakdown of American democracy.

    The central cause of this breakdown is the extreme concentration of wealth in the hands of a tiny elite, whose interests the state apparatus and its “bodies of armed men” serve. Confronted by an angry and hostile working class, the ruling class is resorting to ever more overt forms of authoritarian rule.

    Millions of working people want to fight the Trump administration and its ultra-right policies. But it is impossible to carry out this fight through the “axis of evil” that connects the Democratic Party, the bulk of the corporate media, and the CIA.

    The influx of military-intelligence candidates puts paid to the longstanding myth, peddled by the trade unions and pseudo-left groups, that the Democrats represent a “lesser evil.” On the contrary, working people must confront the fact that within the framework of the corporate-controlled two-party system, they face two equally reactionary evils.

    Patrick Martin
    World Socialist Web Site

    Trump & CIA crest

    One year of Democratic sabotage of opposition to Trump : Part 1B of 4

    Barry Grey of the World Socialist Web Site [2]
    Published by the International Committee of the Fourth International (ICFI)
    20th March 2018

    One year ago, on January 20, 2017, Donald Trump was inaugurated as the 45th president of the United States.

    Even as he was delivering his “America First” rant from the The next day, the largest and most widespread protest demonstrations in US history were held in opposition to the new president. They involved between three million and five million people in more than 500 US cities, and were joined by protests in more than 100 cities outside the US.

    The following weekend, demonstrations broke out at airports and cities across the US against Trump’s anti-Muslim travel ban.

    Recent polls show that his approval rating is the lowest for any modern president after one year in office. Large majorities consider him a racist and oppose his foreign policy and his policies on health care and immigration.

    Trump won the 2016 elections by taking advantage of disgust with the Democrats after eight years of Barack Obama and hatred for Wall Street’s favored candidate, Hillary Clinton. He exploited the anger over rising inequality and the destruction of jobs and living standards that Clinton ignored.

    But one year later, all the causes of popular outrage persist. The past year has seen a series of hurricanes, wildfires and other disasters—Texas, Florida, Puerto Rico, California—that have exposed the collapse of basic infrastructure.

    Major indices of social wellbeing—opioid deaths, life expectancy, infant mortality, hunger, homelessness—all show a deepening of the disaster confronting working people and youth.

    The plundering of society by the financial oligarchy has proceeded apace. Even before the impact of Trump’s tax cut for the rich, America’s 159 billionaires added $315 billion to their combined wealth in 2017, bringing their collective net worth to $2 trillion.

    Trump’s major achievement since taking office has been a 31 percent rise in the Dow Jones Industrial Average.

    Nevertheless, the Trump administration has survived its first year and implemented large parts of its reactionary economic and social agenda. There are two basic reasons for this.

    First, despite bitter differences within the ruling class over foreign policy issues, Trump has largely retained the support of the financial-corporate elite on the basis of his economic policies.

    But what has kept him in power more than anything else is the suppression of popular opposition by the Democratic Party. The Democrats have spent the entire year sabotaging resistance to Trump and working to divert it along reactionary, pro-war lines.

    The Democrats’ neo-McCarthyite anti-Russia campaign has been aimed at preventing any retreat from the belligerent anti-Russia policies of the Obama administration and demanding a more aggressive war in Syria.

    It has borne fruit in the administration’s announcement this week of a permanent US troop presence in Syria and de facto American control over a large part of the country, a highly reckless escalation directed above all against Moscow.

    The anti-Russia hysteria is combined with a crackdown on the Internet and an assault on free speech and opposition views under the banner of fighting “fake news.”

    The Democrats have led the way in demanding that social media companies implement aggressive censorship protocols. Just this month, the Democrats supplied the votes needed to extend the government’s illegal mass surveillance programs.

    These anti-democratic actions have been joined by the Democrats’ right-wing feminist #MeToo witch hunt, which tramples on democratic principles such as due process and the presumption of innocence.

    The Democrats’ posture of opposition to Trump is shot through with deceit and hypocrisy. Whatever their tactical differences over foreign policy, they support the anti-working class social and economic policies of the administration. They back the lifting of regulations on corporations and the banks.

    They say nothing about the imposition of work requirements and fees on Medicaid recipients. They made sure the tax cut for corporations and the rich would pass, refusing to call a single demonstration to mobilize the broad popular opposition to the measure. The huge increase in budget deficits will be used, as the Democrats well know, as a pretext to lay siege to Medicare and Social Security.

    Now the Democrats are collaborating with Trump and the Republicans to build Trump’s wall and further militarize the US-Mexico border, while carrying out historic attacks on legal immigration.

    This year, an election year, will no doubt witness yet another campaign by sections of the media and the pseudo-left organizations that orbit the Democratic Party to elect Democrats as the supposed alternative to the Republicans. What a fraud!

    The lesson of the past year is that the fight against Trump is at the same time a fight against the Democratic Party. It can develop only based on an independent social and political movement of the working class.

    Barry Grey
    World Socialist Web Site

    Citations
    [1] http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/03/13/pers-m13.html
    [2] http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2018/01/20/pers-j20.html

    I hear this omnibus bill was signed because Mattis needs funding pronto.
    The wall can be built by US Army engineers AND Trump can enforce veto over each line item, as this isn’t a true budget.
    Obama did it all the time apparently.
    I have limited knowledge here so go easy on me, but it’s another side of the coin to consider.

    Don’t hold out hope for a line-item veto. I know Trump called for it, but it was determined to be unconstitutional by the U.S Supreme Court:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_v._City_of_New_York

    During the Clinton Era, congress gave Bill Clinton the line item veto, and it was shot down by the Supreme Court. This doesn’t mean it would NEVER happen, just it is going to require a constitutional amendment.

    This was meant to put an end to debate for a number of months. Because the Republican party has issues agreeing with itself on a number of issues, it ends up needing to bring Democrats in, which means their pet pork.

    "I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

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