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Pride And Prejudice (1813 Novel) OPENING SENTENCE: “It is a truth universally acknowledged that a man of great fortune MUST BE IN WANT OF A WIFE.”
I just have to add as a literature teacher that P&P is the biggest piece of s~~~ in the history of literature. It’s so bad that when the great American author James Fenimore Cooper (of Last of the Mohicans fame) was reading it, he threw it down disgustedly, saying “Even I could write a story better than this!” and then proceeded to produce some of the greatest works of American fiction.
Women are better at multitasking? Fucking up several things at once is not multitasking.
This seems to be a recurring point of contention within the MGTOW community.
Us older guys, who actually lived during a time when feminism wasn’t the driving social force, before no fault divorce came into play as the easy get rich free scheme for women will say: “It wasn’t always like this. Women were not as bad as they are today. Many men enjoyed stable homelifes and marriages with supporting wives, and women kept their hypergamy under check. Women tried to be of value to a man.. until feminism took over.”
Immediately the young guys who were not even alive during this time period will come in to tell you how stupid you are, how it has always been like this, because women have always been the way they are now.
Ummm… ok. You don’t want to believe the men who are old enough to have seen it…
So why was marriage the norm, and the societies were based around this concept, and only now are men saying en mass “f~~~ this”?
Without feminism, most women were manageable. FEMINISM is what caused this problem.
i come from a family of old fashioned farmers from the northwest, i’ve seen what you’re talking about, grandma doing all the traditional female roles for grampa, him doing all the traditional male roles for her as well, they grew old together in harmony.
My question is, what does it say about female nature, that they get a taste of “feminism” and all of the sudden, they turn into promiscuous wild animals ? What does it say about their nature, that they would allow a movement, to turn them into deeply corrupted people ?
Also you state women kept their hypergamy under check. Dare i say it was only because they had to, in order to find and maintain a marriage to a man, who provided for her. They are only as good as the world forces them to be.
Anonymous3Nobody on this website has come of age in an era without feminism.
Feminism was widespread and strong by the 70s. It was taking over even in the 50s and especially 60s however.
I suppose if you are about a hundred years old, fine, you live in an era without feminism. But probably you’re not. I can’t imagine 100 year old men bother wasting time on the internet.
Otherwise, women’s behavior doesn’t matter. Women are women, the same as at all times, AWALT all through time, every culture, every race, always. If you don’t think this, you are an absolute fool, one who lacks any knowledge and has zero culture, because he clearly has never studied any civilization of the past. Rudimentary figures from thousands of years ago show tiny small men carrying big fat women around on their shoulders. Since men have been able to write, they have written about women’s nature, spoiler alert: it’s the same as it is today.
There was no “good” time with women’s behavior. They’ve always acted this way.
The only difference is how other men acted. In other eras, when women acted s~~~ty, there wasn’t a horde of white knights and the large government “empowering” her, and victimizing every male with the misfortune of being associated with her. She couldn’t just destroy men willy nilly because nature made it such that women are weak and powerless creatures that can not actually do anything other than selfishly emotionally manipulate a man. When they’d overdo that and screw things up for themselves, that was that, they were out in the cold, and usually became prostitutes, or otherwise lived in misery. Thus, a strong man would deal with endless s~~~ tests but actually keep his b~~~~, his property, etc.
Nowadays though, again, obviously the government and white knights not only insulate women from all negative consequences of their terrible behavior, but they in fact openly emasculate men and inflict mass injustice as a matter of course.
The reason why even most MGTOW don’t understand this is the programming runs deep. It all starts with that whole equality thing. Claim equality, but then empower women and give them resources and authority. MGTOW have a problem with the latter but still foolishly believe the former. But the former is actually the error, it’s actually impossible, hence why if you accept the former, you must create the latter.
In a truly merit based, fair, objective system, women’s base inferiority becomes highlighted and undeniable. This is what happens every time they try any sort of survivor setting with men and women, or when they use objective, blind testing or use the same standards for men and women. Women fail miserably every time. This is the exact reason there are lower standards for women and affirmative action. It has nothing to do with this alleged history of patriarchy or whatever other garbage narrative that is used as an excuse—if the elites truly believed that and cared so much, they’d also be paying reparations to black people or really everyone for all of eternity. No, they don’t do that, they don’t believe it, they just need a way to create the result of female “success” because there was no way on a fair playing field women could achieve any type of parity. The number of capable women is very small. And even then, in all physical activity, they still are vastly inferior.
Women themselves know this. That is why they practice hypergamy. If women truly believed in equality, they wouldn’t even try to be hypergamous. But they instinctively know that men are supposed to be superior, and thus can not accept the typical “equal” male. He is “equal” in that he is a failure and falls very far behind traditional men.
Anonymous6Listen I can only speak from my own experience and that’s what I’m going to do here. I am a man in his early forties. I have never been married nor do I have any children. Nor have I lived with a woman, ever. What I have done, and this is significant, is catted around for most of my 20’s and a lot of my teenaged years. Also a little bit in my 30’s. I also observed those around me. Meaning I would watch how women acted and I would take notes. I am not happy about much of what I used to do. But I did it. Also I would like to say that I am no expert, not by a long shot. No I’m going off of my experience only and my experience informs me of this one point. Women have been like they are today for my entire life! IT’S A MATTER OF DEGREE AND NOT TYPE! Seriously. I was watching all of the things that go on today when I was 16 years old in the early 90’s and even before then. The only difference, and I mean the only difference, is that it’s more acute and in your face today. That’s it. It’s out in broad day light, it’s on TV. It’s in movies, it’s laughed about by f~~~ tard feminists. Think of it as a quasi Jerry Springer effect, but it’s because of third wave feminism. Seriously! MGTOW is the only left for a sane man to do to save himself in this world.
Please take this as one man’s opinion. But it’s true as far as I see it, and see I have.
This seems to be a recurring point of contention within the MGTOW community.
Us older guys, who actually lived during a time when feminism wasn’t the driving social force, before no fault divorce came into play as the easy get rich free scheme for women will say: “It wasn’t always like this. Women were not as bad as they are today. Many men enjoyed stable homelifes and marriages with supporting wives, and women kept their hypergamy under check. Women tried to be of value to a man.. until feminism took over.”
Immediately the young guys who were not even alive during this time period will come in to tell you how stupid you are, how it has always been like this, because women have always been the way they are now.
Ummm… ok. You don’t want to believe the men who are old enough to have seen it…
So why was marriage the norm, and the societies were based around this concept, and only now are men saying en mass “f~~~ this”?
Without feminism, most women were manageable. FEMINISM is what caused this problem.
i come from a family of old fashioned farmers from the northwest, i’ve seen what you’re talking about, grandma doing all the traditional female roles for grampa, him doing all the traditional male roles for her as well, they grew old together in harmony.
My question is, what does it say about female nature, that they get a taste of “feminism” and all of the sudden, they turn into promiscuous wild animals ? What does it say about their nature, that they would allow a movement, to turn them into deeply corrupted people ?
Also you state women kept their hypergamy under check. Dare i say it was only because they had to, in order to find and maintain a marriage to a man, who provided for her. They are only as good as the world forces them to be.
If you had a son, would you find it more constructive to focus on his actual deeds and misbehaviors, or just blame it on his “nature”? “You always were like your Mother!” doesn’t seem to be the best way to go about it. Maybe it would be better to deal with their lying or stealing etc. instead.
If it truly is Women’s nature, and they have not changed a bit, then you really cannot blame them can you? Can you blame a man for being short? For being an introvert? Is that even fair?
It is their actions that you can judge. Feminism is their action.
Nobody on this website has come of age in an era without feminism.
That is not what I said. I was alive in the 60’s and 70’s were you? Why the f~~~ would you tell men who were alive what it was like, and discount their actual experiences?
Yes, there were feminists. They were pretty much the outcast, the troublemakers, the sluts. They were by far the exception and not the rule. Men might use them for a pump and dump. most women still operated under traditional social protocols. Most women were raised by depression or WW2 era mothers. You are telling me they acted the same? You have no clue.
Women today were all raised full bore under feminism rule.
Women were different. They behaved differently, they looked different, and I have yet to meet a man in his 50;s or above who would disagree. Just the arrogant kids who weren’t even around to know.
A woman whom takes responsibility for their personal actions
Is this possible? I am thinking…possibly not.
I’ll just go ahead and say it, since nobody wants to say it for fear or lurkers and trolls: Women should be relegated to being slaves. That was and is the only solution to their horrendous nature. At least then, they could thrive and be of use, and really, they would be happy – like a horse that is broken and then loves the cowboy life.
If you had a son, would you find it more constructive to focus on his actual deeds and misbehaviors, or just blame it on his “nature”?
If your son is misbehaving, and this is a real problem, it is because he is going to school. Home school him from the beginning, and teach him what YOU want him to know, and do not expose him to any TV, hollywood movies, and social norms of the day, from the beginning, and there will be no misbehavior.
If you had a son, would you find it more constructive to focus on his actual deeds and misbehaviors, or just blame it on his “nature”?
If your son is misbehaving, and this is a real problem, it is because he is going to school. Home school him from the beginning, and teach him what YOU want him to know, and do not expose him to any TV, hollywood movies, and social norms of the day, from the beginning, and there will be no misbehavior.
I totally agree.
Anonymous6This seems to be a recurring point of contention within the MGTOW community.
Us older guys, who actually lived during a time when feminism wasn’t the driving social force, before no fault divorce came into play as the easy get rich free scheme for women will say: “It wasn’t always like this. Women were not as bad as they are today. Many men enjoyed stable homelifes and marriages with supporting wives, and women kept their hypergamy under check. Women tried to be of value to a man.. until feminism took over.”
Immediately the young guys who were not even alive during this time period will come in to tell you how stupid you are, how it has always been like this, because women have always been the way they are now.
Ummm… ok. You don’t want to believe the men who are old enough to have seen it…
So why was marriage the norm, and the societies were based around this concept, and only now are men saying en mass “f~~~ this”?
Without feminism, most women were manageable. FEMINISM is what caused this problem.
i come from a family of old fashioned farmers from the northwest, i’ve seen what you’re talking about, grandma doing all the traditional female roles for grampa, him doing all the traditional male roles for her as well, they grew old together in harmony.
My question is, what does it say about female nature, that they get a taste of “feminism” and all of the sudden, they turn into promiscuous wild animals ? What does it say about their nature, that they would allow a movement, to turn them into deeply corrupted people ?
Also you state women kept their hypergamy under check. Dare i say it was only because they had to, in order to find and maintain a marriage to a man, who provided for her. They are only as good as the world forces them to be.
If you had a son, would you find it more constructive to focus on his actual deeds and misbehaviors, or just blame it on his “nature”? “You always were like your Mother!” doesn’t seem to be the best way to go about it. Maybe it would be better to deal with their lying or stealing etc. instead.
If it truly is Women’s nature, and they have not changed a bit, then you really cannot blame them can you? Can you blame a man for being short? For being an introvert? Is that even fair?
It is their actions that you can judge. Feminism is their action.
Nobody on this website has come of age in an era without feminism.
That is not what I said. I was alive in the 60’s and 70’s were you? Why the f~~~ would you tell men who were alive what it was like, and discount their actual experiences?
Yes, there were feminists. They were pretty much the outcast, the troublemakers, the sluts. They were by far the exception and not the rule. Men might use them for a pump and dump. most women still operated under traditional social protocols. Most women were raised by depression or WW2 era mothers. You are telling me they acted the same? You have no clue.
Women today were all raised full bore under feminism rule.
Women were different. They behaved differently, they looked different, and I have yet to meet a man in his 50;s or above who would disagree. Just the arrogant kids who weren’t even around to know.
Hey I’d like to here what you’ve got to say here. When did the tipping point happen in your mind? Or, when did the feminist garbage take over and the women change from what you mentioned in the 60’s and 70’s to the insane crap that I’ve known since the early nineties? I mean I saw the crazy back then like I’ve mentioned in a previous post, it’s so much worse now!
When did the tipping point happen in your mind?
I’ve known since the early nineties?
Personally I would pin-point it at exactly the same time. Early-mid 90s. Thats’ when I noticed women were universally “off”, and a VERY clear marked (and sudden) turn around in their attitudes and behavior became apparent.
Snide. Catty. Laughed at someone else’s pain. Openly confrontational. Abrasive. Deliberately cutting and crass, and proud of it.
They seemed to have no idea themselves, because every woman born in the last 60 years has been raised in the toxic, corrosive, negative world that is feminism. It was as if Madonna was the start of this time, because she was really (in my opinion) the first celebrity female who was celebrated for being gross, vulgar and disgusting. Shameless, gold-digging “material girls” etc.
Women who were born after her – who “came of age” in the mid-90s were remarkably different than women who came of age 10 years prior. I noticed this in young students who I watched closely grow up from age 11 to age 18.
I would place the “misandry bubble” at about 1997-2005 – “peak misandry”.
Exchanging with older guys here (like Old Sage)… he had said he saw similar in the 60s and 70s and it was always around, so it may be personal perception, but the 90s is when girls stopped even TRYING to be feminine anymore. Like they “stopped caring”.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
Anonymous6When did the tipping point happen in your mind?
I’ve known since the early nineties?
Personally I would pin-point it at exactly the same time. Early-mid 90s. Thats’ when I noticed women were universally “off”, and a VERY clear marked (and sudden) turn around in their attitudes and behavior became apparent.
Snide. Catty. Laughed at someone else’s pain. Openly confrontational. Abrasive. Deliberately cutting and crass, and proud of it.
They seemed to have no idea themselves, because every woman born in the last 60 years has been raised in the toxic, corrosive, negative world that is feminism. It was as if Madonna was the start of this time, because she was really (in my opinion) the first celebrity female who was celebrated for being gross, vulgar and disgusting. Shameless, gold-digging “material girls” etc.
Women who were born after her – who “came of age” in the mid-90s were remarkably different than women who came of age 10 years prior. I noticed this in young students who I watched closely grow up from age 11 to age 18.
I would place the “misandry bubble” at about 1997-2005 – “peak misandry”.
Exchanging with older guys here (like Old Sage)… he had said he saw similar in the 60s and 70s and it was always around, so it may be personal perception, but the 90s is when girls stopped even TRYING to be feminine anymore. Like they “stopped caring”.
Alright your answer helps. I was a young teenager in the early nineties. I spent time in New York City and some place in the Lone Star State during that time. What I noticed was that the NYC feminist stuff at that time was extreme. Like it would be extreme even by today’s standard. When that Bobbit dude got his manhood cut off there was sign over a lesbian oriented business in the Village that read: “Cut it out or we’ll cut it off!” It was some s~~~ man. So what I noticed was that like an infection this stuff just grew. I got old enough and was like damn, this is jacked up. Now I’m older and it’s way worse. Feminism is the literal cause of the downfall of America in my book. Families are broken up, men are vilified, chicks are nuts now, the courts hate men. MGTOW is the only way to go.
This seems to be a recurring point of contention within the MGTOW community.
Us older guys, who actually lived during a time when feminism wasn’t the driving social force, before no fault divorce came into play as the easy get rich free scheme for women will say: “It wasn’t always like this. Women were not as bad as they are today. Many men enjoyed stable homelifes and marriages with supporting wives, and women kept their hypergamy under check. Women tried to be of value to a man.. until feminism took over.”
Immediately the young guys who were not even alive during this time period will come in to tell you how stupid you are, how it has always been like this, because women have always been the way they are now.
Ummm… ok. You don’t want to believe the men who are old enough to have seen it…
So why was marriage the norm, and the societies were based around this concept, and only now are men saying en mass “f~~~ this”?
Without feminism, most women were manageable. FEMINISM is what caused this problem.
i come from a family of old fashioned farmers from the northwest, i’ve seen what you’re talking about, grandma doing all the traditional female roles for grampa, him doing all the traditional male roles for her as well, they grew old together in harmony.
My question is, what does it say about female nature, that they get a taste of “feminism” and all of the sudden, they turn into promiscuous wild animals ? What does it say about their nature, that they would allow a movement, to turn them into deeply corrupted people ?
Also you state women kept their hypergamy under check. Dare i say it was only because they had to, in order to find and maintain a marriage to a man, who provided for her. They are only as good as the world forces them to be.
If you had a son, would you find it more constructive to focus on his actual deeds and misbehaviors, or just blame it on his “nature”? “You always were like your Mother!” doesn’t seem to be the best way to go about it. Maybe it would be better to deal with their lying or stealing etc. instead.
If it truly is Women’s nature, and they have not changed a bit, then you really cannot blame them can you? Can you blame a man for being short? For being an introvert? Is that even fair?
It is their actions that you can judge. Feminism is their action.
Nobody on this website has come of age in an era without feminism.
That is not what I said. I was alive in the 60’s and 70’s were you? Why the f~~~ would you tell men who were alive what it was like, and discount their actual experiences?
Yes, there were feminists. They were pretty much the outcast, the troublemakers, the sluts. They were by far the exception and not the rule. Men might use them for a pump and dump. most women still operated under traditional social protocols. Most women were raised by depression or WW2 era mothers. You are telling me they acted the same? You have no clue.
Women today were all raised full bore under feminism rule.
Women were different. They behaved differently, they looked different, and I have yet to meet a man in his 50;s or above who would disagree. Just the arrogant kids who weren’t even around to know.
Hey I’d like to here what you’ve got to say here. When did the tipping point happen in your mind? Or, when did the feminist garbage take over and the women change from what you mentioned in the 60’s and 70’s to the insane crap that I’ve known since the early nineties? I mean I saw the crazy back then like I’ve mentioned in a previous post, it’s so much worse now!
My generation was mostly raised by traditional parents, nuclear family, husband as head of household, mother stay at home homemaker, and were raised by their mothers traditionally, and they were probably the first to start to receive some of the feminist indoctrination at school.
Feminists who had become teachers in the 60’s had finally risen to some power in the education system.
We still had mandatory homemaking classes for the girls, but around the senior year they were done away with.Female teachers and counselors were pushing the men out of the system, and taking the female students under their wings in mentorship, while sabotaging the male students.
The younger women, the ones in their 30’s, 40’s and younger, straight up indoctrinated with feminism. Both in the home and at school, media etc.
Now I am talking about normal women from good families, there have always been freaks and losers/feminists. They were bottom of the barrel, and even the women didn’t like them. Now even the girl from a good family who doesn’t like feminism is 90 feminist just through what is considered normal now. The loser freaks are the norm now.
Personally I would pin-point it at exactly the same time. Early-mid 90s. Thats’ when I noticed women were universally “off”, and a VERY clear marked (and sudden) turn around in their attitudes and behavior became apparent.
Exactly right. I attribute this in large part to the mercury and diseases and other s~~~ in vaccinations. I agree with Jordan Maxwell that we (humans) are being deliberately genetically modified. Call me a lunatic, but that’s what I believe.
Women also are not attractive after mid 1990s. Before, they had pretty, sweet round faces. Now, every woman looks has facial features of a cow, which is not surprising seeing as how baby formula is dehydrated cow’s milk and the GOT MILK revolution took off.
Humans are definitely not supposed to be feeding babies cow’s milk, which is what baby formula is. Should only be breast feeding. Have researched this in depth.
Women today are objectively butt-ugly. A lot of boys are messed up too, but they seem to bounce back better in the long run – not sure why. Babys these days are obese, and the baby formula gives them BIG HEADS like cows, and vaccinations eat their brain cells, makes them autistic and retarded, allergic, diabetic, gluten intolerant and a hundred other life-long problems.
How do you think we ended up with universal government mandatory health-insurance. Why do you think vaccines are mandatory now, even though the ONLY one’s getting sick are the ones being vaccinated. It’s all related, and yes it is far sicker than the sickest conspiracy previously devised, which was fractional reserve banking. Fractional reserve banking caused WWI, WWII, and feminism, but is child’s play compares to vaccinations.
DON’T STICK YER DICK IN CRAZY!
LOL that should be engraved on the inside of every pair of Denver Hayes and on every condom package.
"Women have become so full of hatred that they are blind to reason and humanity. That which they practice will be the end of humanity, long before any war that men may fight.." "Women are predators by nature. Why else do you think they are so quick to gang up and go after a man they hate for showing any sign of weakness?"
If you look at things from a biological standpoint, then it makes sense that women’s innate temperaments would be relatively similar to their mothers and more distant ancestors.
Everyone is born with a temperament that determines how they interact with the world. It’s programmed in their genetics. Women today have the same biological drives as their mothers and grandmothers. If you took the same good girl from the 1940’s, put her in a time machine to 1990 and raised her there, she would likely be the typical feminist-indoctrinated bitch that we all know and love.
The only difference here is that feminism lets women get away with their impulses and whims. If you take away feminism, women will be controlled again.
Women have to be controlled in order for society to flourish. Otherwise, they will pop lots of kids who won’t grow up with their fathers, and that will inevitably lead to the death of society.
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If you look at things from a biological standpoint, then it makes sense that women’s innate temperaments would be relatively similar to their mothers and more distant ancestors.
Everyone is born with a temperament that determines how they interact with the world. It’s programmed in their genetics. Women today have the same biological drives as their mothers and grandmothers. If you took the same good girl from the 1940’s, put her in a time machine to 1990 and raised her there, she would likely be the typical feminist-indoctrinated bitch that we all know and love.
The only difference here is that feminism lets women get away with their impulses and whims. If you take away feminism, women will be controlled again.
Women have to be controlled in order for society to flourish. Otherwise, they will pop lots of kids who won’t grow up with their fathers, and that will inevitably lead to the death of society.
No, women don’t need to be control for society to flourish. The reality is men should should not be enslaved for society to flourish.
The state need to stop f~~~ing things up, like everything else it touches.
If there are no state and mangina substituting women bad decision and pushing the responsibility to men, women have to be responsible for themselves or men can just walk away.
Who have so much time, resource and mental energy to control women. Men just need to be free from the bad decisions women make themselves, and women will correct themselves.
What we are seeing in the fall of Western civilization and advance country like Japan is they are becoming like a slave state for the men. Slavery is not abolished. We see communist country fall one by one because the people have no motivation to do more to better themselves the through it improve civilization.
The Japanese herbivore have no motivation to work themselves to death for a big house and car for their women. Western country is going the same way with how men is enslave by women and government. More and more men realize the life of a slave is just not worth it.
There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.
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