Was marriage always bad? Will it always be bad?

[UintatheriumParticipant 1861]

Hi guys. I just have two more important questions.

1. Was marriage always bad?
2. Will it always be bad?

I’m starting to think that marriage did work in the distant past. It doesn’t work today because women have lost their natural femininity. The few women nowadays who still have healthy femininity are classified as “hyper-feminine ditzy doormats”. Even those women are not safe because they could change at any moment.

What if the world entered a neo-primitive state in the future? Would marriage be a viable option again?

This could happen because civilization is already on the verge of collapse.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_Clock
Of course, we could still enter a different sort of catastrophe if the liberal feminists win. Global feminism could cause the global population to decline. Most of civilization would be abandoned and neo-primitives would claim the wilderness.

Will marriage become great again if this all implodes?

MGTOW: because you can (and should) say anything about a woman as long as she isn't within earshot

[Truthseeker82Participant 6406]

As one who has been married twice I can attest to the issues you raise. The current climate, more predominately in westernized countries, is hostile to men. Even if you find the elusive “unicorn”, the system is simply stacked against men.

Marriage was traditionally, other than a ritual carried out in many religions, a financial arrrangent. The groom received a “dowry” from the brides parents to take care of the daughter. It also brought economic security to the woman. Things went downhill after the feminist revolution in the 60s. No fault divorce, sexual promiscuity by women, the “I don’t need a man” attitude and more.

Women are hypergamos by nature – then add the bias thrown towards them and men are screwed. There’s too much risk and little reason to involve the state in a mans life.

If the laws and society changed to be more favorable toward men the question is still – why do two people need a contract to relate to each other? I like women – at least the few who are decent and fun to be around. And I enjoy sex – no bot or digital faux female at least for me equals the real thing. But the risk is often just too great and with most women being obese or fat and the few who are attractive and approachable scarce – many men are left going full monk and MGTOW in regards to the ladies.

[Anonymous 54]

There have allways been nagging misrable wives.
There has allways been sexless marrages.
All through time.
The laws may change, but allways, women are a downer that ruin your life.Or at least the part of life that you are supposed to enjoy.
Women dont like men to be happy.

That will never change!!!

[DorkShitParticipant 4353]

Uintatherium wrote:

Hi guys. I just have two more important questions.

1. Was marriage always bad?
2. Will it always be bad?

Bad is a relative term.
I see it more as a spectrum.

Your question is based on a societal position/influence.

Marriage is a contract. Society allowing a party to exit the contract for irreconcilable reasons/conditions is a loop hole. Basically, a woman can exit the contract without any real negative impact. In fact, she can even get rewarded.

Imagine if this was allowed in commerce or any other endeavor.

Answer: marriage contract has gone in a negative spectrum direction and will continue until the contract is enforced.

It has not been this bad. Marriage use to be family centric. Society kept women in check, etc.

As my father said, “neither have ever been happy but marriage is best for the child”

From a child’s perspective it has been going in a negative direction. You can see the generational impact.

On the spectrum we are heading for scorched earth!

Peace brothers

[narwhalParticipant]

Uintatherium wrote:

1. Was marriage always bad?

I would guess if you talked to someone from 2000 years ago, they would say marriage doesn’t exist today. Sure same name, but that’s not a marriage. From what I’ve seen, the family was what was important, and wife/mother was just one of the roles played in the family unit. Everyone had their place and role, from Father, Mother, husband, wife, son, daughter and …slaves (I think of slaves as those were not part of the family but allowed to take protection from the family as long as they contributed). So the idea of a partnership, of a wife as a princess to be pleased with equal or greater say is just nonsensical. She wouldn’t even want the burden of watching over and protecting the family.

Uintatherium wrote:

2. Will it always be bad?

I don’t think it will really exist in the future. I see 3 options really.

1 – Total disaster, and we go back to a ‘might makes right’ society where alpha males rule and women are forced into a secondary role in order to survive.
2 – Feminsim continues till men and women are practically separate entirely, accept that men are forced to artificially prop of women to equal outcome.
3 – True equality occurs…no marriage.. men are rather happy and women are generally considered a subclass because they cannot provide at the same level as men.

Ok. Then do it.

[AwakenedParticipant 35202]

It doesn’t matter what was, or what might be in the future. Currently, marriage is more then a BAD deal for men, but remains a potential gold mine for women.

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[TaxGuyParticipant]

I’m probably saying the same thing, just in a different way. I think it depends on your definition of good and bad.

Take the following marriage: You met young, you got married, the husband goes out and works while the wife pops out a couple of kids and stays home and takes care of the kids and the hubby. She’s generally nice to the guy and he is nice to her. They appreciate that it takes both of them to run a family. They like each other, maybe even love each other, but there isn’t some Disney happily ever after love. Is that a good marriage or a bad one? Where is that magical vagina-tingling love that makes her drop everything at the site of hubby? Is he getting a blowjob during the Sportscenter commercial with a beer in his hand?

To some guys that marriage sounds great. To others it’s a death sentence.

Today’s expectation, especially from women, is some romantic love that is new every day. There is no “comfortable love” anymore. So if your idea of marriage is that hot intense love that takes your breath away, then marriage was always bad and always will be bad.

And since most women expect that kind of marriage, the marriage ends up bad. Because if she isn’t happy then no one is happy. So, I would say marriage will be bad until women change their expectations. And I’m not even factoring in the divorce laws. Marriage will ALWAYS be bad for a man until the laws change.

I for one won’t be holding my breath.

Order the good wine

[Truthseeker82Participant 6406]

There was a play / movie from the 60s early 70s called Fiddler on the roof. Despite the misgivings of the lead characters (Teyve), daughters about his choices for his girls, there was an inherent expectation that a mans role was as provider for his family. Listen to the song “Tradition” from the film. Granted this took place in Russia over 100 years ago but there is no comparison today.
Tevye was not afraid to be a man and assert himself. Contrast that to the mess the westernized world finds itself in. Men who have been socially castrated, single mothers being glorified, thug worshiping by young women, it’s a mess.

[Truthseeker82Participant 6406]

[narwhalParticipant]

I’ve been told a few times before that I’m now ‘damaged’. I sometimes wonder if there is some truth to that. Not in the sense that there is something wrong with me, but in that my brain has conditioned so that the idea of sharing my home, time and money has lost so much appeal.

I can’t wrap my head around it. I know that I enjoyed certain parts of it in the past, but now? And I don’t see are reason to want to change that.

Ok. Then do it.

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

This is thread that goes back to 1295 about marriage.

Written around 1295 by Mathieu of Boulogne

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[SuggestiusParticipant 3312]

There is nothing about traditions. It’s about our nature and that what we think is bad. Our nature, I mean the nature of men, is polygamous, so the women is! Two polygamous human beings can’t create a reliable family union. No way. Time for the old, good family is ran out. Marriage will be back, I’m sure, in the Muslim way, along with spreading of the Muslim influence. Good example is Saudi Arabia. Woman is just an addition to the man. No rights, no thoughts about an opression, just a self-strictly behave

Western civilization is deadlocked, and it looks like an uncontrollable train that is about to fall down from the bridge. I see the future of the western men as sperm donors only. We can’t stop it because the new generations of young men are raising by women. They imprint on teens a sperm donor-like behave. In better case, they will have raised like just males, in the worst case – manginas.

Happiness for all and let no one be forgotten ("Roadside picnic", Arkady and Boris Strugatsky)

[TaxGuyParticipant]

narwhal wrote:

I’ve been told a few times before that I’m now ‘damaged’. I sometimes wonder if there is some truth to that. Not in the sense that there is something wrong with me, but in that my brain has conditioned so that the idea of sharing my home, time and money has lost so much appeal.

I can’t wrap my head around it. I know that I enjoyed certain parts of it in the past, but now? And I don’t see are reason to want to change that.

You’re only damaged to the person that wants something for nothing from you. To the likes of us, we refer to that as “sane”.

Order the good wine

[BadgerParticipant 2277]

Anonymous wrote:

There have allways been nagging misrable wives.
There has allways been sexless marrages.
All through time.
The laws may change, but allways, women are a downer that ruin your life.Or at least the part of life that you are supposed to enjoy.
Women dont like men to be happy.
That will never change!!!

Once again, OldSage tells you the truth. FrostByte recently posted about the misery of marriage for men in France in 1295 A.D. My recent posts of “Don’t Marry. France from 1400-50” show the same descriptions about women that are repeated from the experiences of guys on this forum.

The thing that has changed is now men have begun to share information about the behavior of women because of computers and the Internet. Otherwise, unless you were lucky and some male or your father or uncle warned you about the loss of freedom once you married, you were likely to fall into the trap. As so many have documented here, marriage today leaves the guy at the whimsical mercy of a woman who can divorce him and gain from it, whereas the laws punish the guy severely.

[MGTOWmonkey aka No More Fucks To GiveParticipant 6635]

Then: Taking care of an adult child as well as 2-4 children and making sure they’re clothed,fed,and a roof over their heads. Man gets f~~~ed because he dies early due to taking more risk to do dangerous jobs or working more hours to take care of family. When he dies the wife lives off his labor and has a long fulfilled life off of his pension/life insurance for a once a month f~~~.

Now:Same concept as above but this time instead of waiting for death wife will extract the same resources via a proxy state,so man has to live through this same misery without seeing his kids,dying early,and paying for vagina he never gets as the times before it was once a month. Either way you look at it the deal was bad for men so going your own way is the only way. Video below will bring visuals to my point,thanks Major

Never lose sight of what brought you here.

[Anonymous 3]

I think, yes, marriage was always bad. But the whole thing went even more bad since extreme feminism.

Also my parent’s marriage was terrible, and there was no extreme feminism back then here. Only two people with terrible personality, plus bad circumstances are needed for a bad marriage.

Marriage always limited the options of men on career and wealth and travel and friends and hobbies.

[BadgerParticipant 2277]

Maybe the questions should be changed to:

1. Have women always been bad for men?
2. Will women always be bad for men?

Those are rhetorical questions.

[GnosticParticipant 2491]

Suggestius wrote:

There is nothing about traditions. It’s about our nature and that what we think is bad. Our nature, I mean the nature of men, is polygamous, so the women is! Two polygamous human beings can’t create a reliable family union. No way. Time for the old, good family is ran out. Marriage will be back, I’m sure, in the Muslim way, along with spreading of the Muslim influence. Good example is Saudi Arabia. Woman is just an addition to the man. No rights, no thoughts about an opression, just a self-strictly behave

Western civilization is deadlocked, and it looks like an uncontrollable train that is about to fall down from the bridge. I see the future of the western men as sperm donors only. We can’t stop it because the new generations of young men are raising by women. They imprint on teens a sperm donor-like behave. In better case, they will have raised like just males, in the worst case – manginas.

An Arab brother here has given testimony regarding Saudi Arabia, things are bleak there too.

Snoonz – THE RISE OF ARAB MGTOW

You know the media lies, like regarding MGTOW, Single mother, politics, women etc etc. why start believing their story regarding other countries?

There is no magic in MGTOW, just recognition of the truth and logical decision how to avoid dangers. The red pill is but the truth, it is no magical potion. Do not think in this modern world men have no longer have natural enemies, men are prey to women and government.

[UintatheriumParticipant 1861]

Badger wrote:

Maybe the questions should be changed to:

1. Have women always been bad for men?
2. Will women always be bad for men?

Those are rhetorical questions.

I don’t care if the questions are rhetorical.

Women must have been good at one time. How else can the long-term survival of our species be explained?

I still think that technology has made women unnaturally powerful. This has caused women to lose the grace that their ancient ancestors had. Fortunately, civilization is unsustainable. That’s the main thing that makes me feel optimistic. I’m going to spend the second half of my life wandering the post-apocalyptic wastes. I’m bound to find a chick there … since women will need male assistance again.

That’s what I need: I need a harsh, brutal, wild environment that will make women physically dependent on men again.

MGTOW: because you can (and should) say anything about a woman as long as she isn't within earshot

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

Uintatherium wrote:

Women must have been good at one time. How else can the long-term survival of our species be explained?

Was Eve good for Adam?
woman are not good or bad. They simply are, and if you to make wife out of one you need to know what you’re getting into.

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

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