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I get the point to an extent. The US should take a policy of protecting our borders only, only attack when they are attacked. I think it sounds great in principle.
It seems to me since the world wars, and maybe before then, we started taking an attitude that we need to be proactive and have smaller conflicts in order to prevent a large conflict from starting. We decided that we know enough about how devastating war can be that we are willing to settle for a little bit of war rather than full blown all out war. That sounds like a great strategy in principle as well.
The problem with that is that you can’t predict when something’s going to escalate into all out war, so you end up fighting on anything that could end up in war. And then you cheat a little bit and start wars for personal gain on the excuse that you’re just trying to stop a bigger war. It’s easily corruptible.
So me personally, I don’t know the right answer. I agree with Trump in that it’s time to start pulling back a bit and push for other countries to start contributing more to their own defenses.
Ok. Then do it.
Nobody is attacking nor invading us, we are doing the attacking and invading. If you are going to bring up 9/11 those dudes were all Saudi, when do we invade Saudi Arabia?
I was more just going to point at, that again, if you look at history…nobody was attacking us during the WWII era prior to Pearl Harbor either. How’d that end up working out for us?
It wouldn’t be so bad if we were playing world police from a neutral standpoint. We could have saved millions from death in massive genocides in West Africa like in Ghana and been a powerful broker for peace in the Mid East. But nope, instead the U.S. is Israel’s bitch, so all we do is f~~~ with who they want f~~~ed with. Millions are left to die as we are busy killing millions for Israel… Human lives mean nothing to those running the show in D.C., well, certain ones do, others don’t.
Understood…when you claim “Libertarian Neutrality” what you actually mean is f~~~ Israel. You’ve got no problem apparently intervening all over the place…just not helping Israel.
Newsflash for ya…the Middle East never left the crusades. They weren’t a peaceful paradise prior to Israel. If the manage to wipe Israel out, they aren’t going to suddenly stop killing each other, or not become more aggressive towards us or Europe. You continuously post anti-Israel on these forums…yet, you fail to grasp this simple concept.
Let’s just look at Iraq as an example…right from the Wiki…
we estimate that in the last twenty-five years of Ba’th Party rule the Iraqi government murdered or ‘disappeared’ some quarter of a million Iraqis, if not more.
The 1988 Al-Anfal campaign resulted in the death of 50,000-100,000 Kurds (although Kurdish sources have cited a higher figure of 182,000), while 25,000-100,000 civilians and rebels were killed during the suppression of the 1991 uprisings.
I’m not necessarily saying we chose the correct path of action with Iraq…but when you have leaders like Saddam that murder 1/2 million of his own people its not exactly like the region would be all unicorns and rainbows if all the Jews moved out of Israel and the US pulled out entirely and ignored them. They were f~~~ed up long before the United States or Israel even existed, and they’ll be f~~~ed up long into the future.
It seems to me since the world wars, and maybe before then, we started taking an attitude that we need to be proactive and have smaller conflicts in order to prevent a large conflict from starting. We decided that we know enough about how devastating war can be that we are willing to settle for a little bit of war rather than full blown all out war. That sounds like a great strategy in principle as well.
Exactly…had we not sat on the sidelines so long during WWII the extent of devastation caused would have been far less…and we could have won it with our opponents being fortified is so far fewer areas. THX1138 seems to not understand that…
The problem with that is that you can’t predict when something’s going to escalate into all out war, so you end up fighting on anything that could end up in war. And then you cheat a little bit and start wars for personal gain on the excuse that you’re just trying to stop a bigger war. It’s easily corruptible.
I don’t even think personal gain is the issue…I think its more an issue of we simply intervene too much. Just for example…the major threat coming out of the Middle East is Islamic extremists…yet we topple Hussein, Ghaddaffi, and are trying to topple Assad…all leaders, who although were f~~~ed up in their own ways, weren’t Islamic extremists, which in turn emboldened Islamic extremists because we took some of their enemies out for them.
So me personally, I don’t know the right answer. I agree with Trump in that it’s time to start pulling back a bit and push for other countries to start contributing more to their own defenses.
Definitely. This is what I don’t get about our country. We are in a lot of countries right now pretty much acting as a mercenary defense force for them…only we aren’t getting paid. We shouldn’t play that game indefinitely…they should be boosting their own defenses instead of depending on us, or helping absorb some of our costs for services provided.
Similarly when we go to war…we don’t go to war to win anything anymore. Its not like we took out Hussein then said f~~~ yeah…we’re going to take all these oil fields over to pay for our war debts…nah…we wreck the country then spend stupid amounts of money rebuilding it for people who hate us, and at times their own people are blowing up s~~~ as fast as we can rebuild it for them. Its retarded. If you are going to go to war, winning it should at least put you in a better position than before. Take for example Russia…they go into Crimea and take it over because its a strategic piece of land…and they’re like ok, this is ours now, we won. Did they go and blow up Crimea than say alright Eukraine…we know you guys hate us…but we’re going to spend hundreds of billions helping you guys rebuild Crimea, then we’ll be on our way? Hell no they didn’t.
Anonymous14Jewish control of Youtube
But its bollox, there is no jewish control of Youtube, at best there are people pretending to be jewish that are in control of it to blame the jews!!!
I know damn well what is going on.
And your readers?
How do you explain that the orthodox jews are the ones being targeted in real life, on the street…they are the ones being attacked and often killed while your “jewtube jews” are never being threatend.
Ok, I get what you are saying, and yes I agree, the Rabbi would be more the “REAL JEWS” I suppose of you are looking at it through the lens of religion. And if this is what you are doing then tell me, are you a Zionist? Because Zionism was founded by Atheist Herzl. Many Rabbi oppose Zionism… If you are Team Rabbi, you are not for a State of Israel. If you are team Atheist/”Fake Jews” which is what you seem to be saying here you are likely team Zionist as well.
Let me hear your back round and your position on it all before I go any further… I have told you enough about me, now you talk.
Anonymous14Understood…when you claim “Libertarian Neutrality” what you actually mean is f~~~ Israel. You’ve got no problem apparently intervening all over the place…just not helping Israel.
Bulls~~~. I have not once supported a single Military action on this site. Quote it in context, you cannot find it, because it does not exist. I have said “look at all this s~~~ we do and then we don’t go help these other people over here who are far worse off”, like the genocide in Ghana for example in which we sat and watched as over a million people were killed. I have not called for a single Military action of aggression, even in Ghana that would have been as a neutral peacekeeping mission, no agenda, no playing favorites. The U.S. is a country of immigrants from all nations, we sure as f~~~ should not be playing favorites.
What about them Beer? What about the million or more in Ghana? Huh? Oh, that’s right, they have no power or influence in the U.S., so let em all die… And I am the one playing favorites…
Completely full of s~~~ here Beer, but that is what comes from people with bias, BULLS~~~, and lots of it.
Once again, what if we were helping Iran Beer? Would you be singing a different tune? I wouldn’t be. I say stay the f~~~ out of my pocket, stay the f~~~ out of other people’s business, and most importantly, STAY THE F~~~ OUT OF OTHER PEOPLE’S COUNTRIES, especially if your intents are to harm and not help. And clearly since 9/11 all the U.S. has been doing is HARM. Libya is not better off, thousands dying in the seas fleeing to E.U., ISIS rose up in Libya after we took out Gaddafi, then were conveniently shuttled into Syria, 400k dead there and counting, and we fuel it, get ISIS and get out Trump said? lol The Russians had to do that job that we “somehow” couldn’t get done even with a Military budget as big as the rest of the world combined… Same old never ending bulls~~~ story, paid for on MY DIME.
But don’t worry Beer, I don’t see anything changing no matter who the president is, I am just spinning my wheels in the mud here talking sense, silly me…
The U.S. will continue to crumble in decline due to the wishes of “Patriots” like you as this war machine costs big money, and every dollar printed and borrowed to fund it makes your dollar worth less, puts the country more and more in debt, and creates enemies that the U.S. did not have before we got involved in the whole mess. Six Trillion is what servicing the entire war machine has cost since 01, not a small number… That is nearly half our deficit that took 200 years to rack up…
Anonymous14Are you either a hasbara or splc troll trying to paint this site as an anti-semetic hate site? It’s a yes or no question. I’ll be waiting for you to answer it.
What is a hasbara? What is an splc troll? English is just my second language.
In fact it is not a yes or no question.. how to answer a ” Are you either…or?” question with yes or no?
That is no excuse. You have multiple search engines at your fingertips.
Similarly when we go to war…we don’t go to war to win anything anymore. Its not like we took out Hussein then said f~~~ yeah…we’re going to take all these oil fields over to pay for our war debts…nah…we wreck the country then spend stupid amounts of money rebuilding it for people who hate us, and at times their own people are blowing up s~~~ as fast as we can rebuild it for them. Its retarded. If you are going to go to war, winning it should at least put you in a better position than before. Take for example Russia…they go into Crimea and take it over because its a strategic piece of land…and they’re like ok, this is ours now, we won. Did they go and blow up Crimea than say alright Eukraine…we know you guys hate us…but we’re going to spend hundreds of billions helping you guys rebuild Crimea, then we’ll be on our way? Hell no they didn’t.
The whole ‘nation building’ idea has shown to be a great failure. In effect, the wars we’ve been in the middle east don’t change anything, they just postpone the eventual breaking point.
And the US can’t really do what Russia did. We would self destruct. Perhaps we can take some resources on our way out the door, but even that is highly frowned upon, and brings doubt to the reason we were there in the first place.
All that though just leads to the conclusion that we need to start pulling back a bit. If nothing else than reminding the world of what happens when we don’t intervene. We’ll be blamed for that too though.
Ok. Then do it.
Anonymous14That is nearly half our deficit that took 200 years to rack up…
Correction, lets call it over 240 years and roughly a third.
Also, Beer’s numbers on what Saddam did are far less than what the U.S. did in Iraq. Half million CHILDREN dead, and a half million adults, just due to sanctions under Clinton, that’s a million f~~~ing people right there, and then up to 200k dead in 91 (back when they actually televised and reported on war) and maybe 600k dead in 2003. And I am sure that a lot of what Saddam was fighting was once again, per usual, backed by Israel and the U.S. There are no innocents here.
Oh, and by the way, all proven to be based on lies. Israel wanted this, Jewish Albright delivered. I mean did I even need to say that? Or is everyone aware that nearly every string pulled in the U.S. is due to Jewish/Israeli interest? I am not so sure at times…We all supposed to collectively suspend reality or something?
Anonymous1I was more just going to point at, that again, if you look at history…nobody was attacking us during the WWII era prior to Pearl Harbor either. How’d that end up working out for us?
Except the USA was provoking Japan for decades leading up to Pearl Harbor. They funded the Chinese, gave them arms, airplanes and pilots to attack the Japanese. The Japanese gave many warnings of what would happen. FDR chose to ignore the warnings because he needed a pretext to go to war. The USA was the antagonist in that situation.
Anonymous1They aren´t at all evangelical.
All evidence to the contrary. Keep denying reality even when presented with the Facts. You are a Disinfo Agent.
re you either a hasbara or splc troll trying to paint this site as an anti-semetic hate site?
It’s a yes or no question. I’ll be waiting for you to answer it.
Yes, he is. He comes on here after a 7 month leave of absence just to start a s~~~ storm between members.
He spreads only Disinformation and Confusion.
Are you getting childish, because I disagreed with you?
Looked in my profile to see what you can find to use against me, because I disagreed with you? Yeah, that´s what it looks like to me.Actually I wasn´t absent. I lurked once in a while.
I know all the MGTOW content already. There´s nothing new here for me so why should I come on often?
Anonymous1Are you getting childish, because I disagreed with you?
Looked in my profile to see what you can find to use against me, because I disagreed with you? Yeah, that´s what it looks like to me.No, we cannot disagree because we aren’t even having an argument. You have made no argument or counterpoint. All you do is take a contrary position. You are the childish one. I make an argument and you say “No, it isn’t” over and over again.
Actually I wasn´t absent. I lurked once in a while.
I know all the MGTOW content already. There´s nothing new here for me so why should I come on often?Yes, you are quite the Know-It-All aren’t you? Why did you show up, just to start a fight with THX?
Anonymous14Are you getting childish, because I disagreed with you?
Looked in my profile to see what you can find to use against me, because I disagreed with you? Yeah, that´s what it looks like to me.Actually I wasn´t absent. I lurked once in a while.
I know all the MGTOW content already. There´s nothing new here for me so why should I come on often?Disinformation, confusion and shaming. Wizard is correct.
How’s that google search working for ya? Eh?
Ok, I get what you are saying, and yes I agree, the Rabbi would be more the “REAL JEWS” I suppose of you are looking at it through the lens of religion.
No that´s not what Im saying. I certainly said nothing like “the Rabbi would be more the “real jew”.
And if this is what you are doing then tell me, are you a Zionist? Because Zionism was founded by Atheist Herzl. Many Rabbi oppose Zionism… If you are Team Rabbi, you are not for a State of Israel. If you are team Atheist/”Fake Jews” which is what you seem to be saying here you are likely team Zionist as well.
Let me hear your back round and your position on it all before I go any further… I have told you enough about me, now you talk.
I think the revelation might start soon. I´m not sure if god exist, but it somehow looks like it. My goal is to try to bring people to team Jesus, because I probably have to do that to receive eternal life. My knowledge is my curse if you will. I don´t claim to know that god exists, but I think it´s more reasonable that there is god than that there is not by now, despite of the fact I was raised as an atheist.
I really would prefer not to say anything at all and not talk to anyone about anything related to this matter.The Parable of the Talents
14 “For it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants[a] and entrusted to them his property. 15 To one he gave five talents, to another two, to another one, to each according to his ability. Then he went away. 16 He who had received the five talents went at once and traded with them, and he made five talents more. 17 So also he who had the two talents made two talents more. 18 But he who had received the one talent went and dug in the ground and hid his master’s money. 19 Now after a long time the master of those servants came and settled accounts with them. 20 And he who had received the five talents came forward, bringing five talents more, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me five talents; here, I have made five talents more.’ 21 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant.[c] You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’ 22 And he also who had the two talents came forward, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me two talents; here, I have made two talents more.’ 23 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’ 24 He also who had received the one talent came forward, saying, ‘Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you scattered no seed, 25 so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. Here, you have what is yours.’ 26 But his master answered him, ‘You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I scattered no seed? 27 Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest. 28 So take the talent from him and give it to him who has the ten talents. 29 For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. But from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’The lazy servant with that 1 talent he dug in the ground…if you read the text…I feel that could be me.
I can see how Jesus meant people like meEveryone who believes Kenobi just has to scroll up to see why he is so butthurt. He did it himself, by asking a stupid question that pointed out his intellect. You blame me for that?
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Anonymous14Everyone who believes Kenobi just has to scroll up to see why he is so butthurt. He did it himself, by asking a stupid question that pointed out his intellect. You blame me for that?
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LoL. Try again.
Yes, you are quite the Know-It-All aren’t you? Why did you show up, just to start a fight with THX?
I´m actually trying to not get in an agruement, but keep being honest. It just doesn´t work out so well often.
Why did you show up, just to start a fight with THX?
Kind of yeah. He is a dangerous man, even though he doesn´t know it I guess. I learned that from the little conversation we had.
It´s not my priority to be liked.I didn´t intend on staying here long, I just have nothing else to do at the moment, but that will soon change.
Anonymous1Everyone who believes Kenobi just has to scroll up to see why he is so butthurt. He did it himself, by asking a stupid question that pointed out his intellect. You blame me for that?
You keep calling other people stupid. You claim intellectual superiority. You think you Know-it-All, but you are full of s~~~.
For example…
What is a hasbara? What is an splc troll? English is just my second language.
In fact it is not a yes or no question.. how to answer a ” Are you either…or?” question with yes or no?
This is a basic conditional Or Statement in boolean logic. It is a True or False condition. It can only be answered with a yes or no.
If you are a hasbara, the condition is true. If you are a troll the condition is true. If you are both then it is also true because this is not an Exclusive Or statement.
The only false outcome is if you are not a hasbara and not a troll.
Can you understand Logic?
For a Know-it-all you sure are wrong a lot.
Kind of yeah. He is a dangerous man, even though he doesn´t know it I guess. I learned that from the little conversation we had.
It´s not my priority to be liked.Judge much? Since you like to quote Bible verses here is one for you…
Matthew 7:5
You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
Think about it, apply it to your life.
Anonymous14Kind of yeah. He is a dangerous man, even though he doesn´t know it I guess. I learned that from the little conversation we had.
It´s not my priority to be liked.I didn´t intend on staying here long, I just have nothing else to do at the moment, but that will soon change.
I am a dangerous man? The one who call’s for peace at every turn? F~~~ man, you should see a doctor.
And you who calls for the Crusades to continue are not dangerous?
If your Christ exists I am 100% sure he would want peace between the Abrahamic religions, and therefore he would look upon me, the passive Atheist with delight, and condemn you, to what degree, I have no idea.
I am not going to waste my time on you anymore, your God would not want me to, in fact he just whispered in my ear “put distance between you and those who would use my name to justify violence against his fellow man”.
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