U.S. no longer a democracy ?

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Yumbo and Meister are correct. The US was NEVER a democracy and was never intended to be a Democracy. It is a Federal Republic. Madison makes clear in Federalist 10 that:

“A common passion or interest will, in almost every case, be felt by a majority of the whole; a communication and concert result from the form of government itself; and there is nothing to check the inducements to sacrifice the weaker party or an obnoxious individual. Hence it is that such [pure] democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.”

So the notion of democracy was rejected at the outset.

[OhnoParticipant 668]

PistolPete wrote:

Yumbo and Meister are correct. The US was NEVER a democracy and was never intended to be a Democracy. It is a Federal Republic. Madison makes clear in Federalist 10 that:

Being a Republic is not in opposition to be being a democracy.

A republic is always a democracy, but a democracy isnt always a republic. I think I explained it well enough.
I showed you the definition of democracy and the definition of republic. Those are not my personal definitions, they are taken from the dictionary. Whats not to understand?

A republic is a state, with a democratic elected goverment+president in which the electorate understands itself as the owner of the sovereign power.

I didnt have the feeling the last presidents were only the executers of what the people want. I had the feeling they were more controlled by their donors that funded their campaign and elite groups.
But maybe you see that different.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Ohno wrote:

. Whats not to understand?

I doubt I can improve upon James Madison but I recommend you consult Federalist Paper #10. Our Government is defined by the Constitution not the dictionary. Our founders understood that democracies devolve into rule by majoritarian factions which have a habit of depriving those not in the majority of their rights. And thus democracies end badly–usually in civil war. (If we were a democracy and Hillary had won–through the popular vote—what is the first thing she and her faction would do? Answer: curtail the rights of those NOT in her faction–ie speech, carry arms etc.)

Ours is a Constitutional republic–and if you READ the original Constitution carefully you will see some decidedly UN-democratic principals–like life time appointment to the courts, the senate and the President were NOT directly elected by the people—sound democratic to you? Only the house of representatives was directly elected. We call this “Federalism”…pull out your dictionary and look that up. Then look up “separation of powers” and “checks and balances”.

The correct analysis is that we WERE a Constitutional Republic at the inception and we have been sliding ever closer to true democracy ever since the civil war. Even now people are calling for the abandonment of the electoral college–which under federalism is designed to PREVENT highly populated states from dominating less populous states.

Relax I son’t charge $$ to teach civics courses anymore.

[OhnoParticipant 668]

PistolPete wrote:

I doubt I can improve upon James Madison but I recommend you consult Federalist Paper #10. Our Government is defined by the Constitution not the dictionary

I dont see how Madison made your point.
You are wrong because the dictionary defines what is what.
The Constitution doesnt proove that USA really IS a republic.
Reality must match the definition.
The Constitution WANTS a republic, but thats it.

[OhnoParticipant 668]

PistolPete wrote:

UN-democratic principals–like life time appointment to the courts, the senate and the President were NOT directly elected by the people—sound democratic to you?

No it doesnt sound democratic to me, because UN is not democratic, EU is not democratic either.
They dont fit the definition, because like you said, they werent elected by the people.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Ohno wrote:

The USA has always been a democracy.

No it isn’t nor has it ever been—read Madison #10—

[Veritech AceParticipant 699]

America is supposed to be a Republic, not a Democracy. We stopped being a Republic when The Fed took over the money system. We became a Socialist country when Wilson and both Roosevelts got all those socialist laws passed.

[OhnoParticipant 668]

PistolPete wrote:

No it isn’t nor has it ever been—read Madison #10—

No, it doesnt matter what stands there.
If the people vote the government, then it is democracy.
Does the electoral system match the definition of democracy?
It does, right? So it is democracy.

[OhnoParticipant 668]

Veritech Ace wrote:

America is supposed to be a Republic, not a Democracy.

If you say America is supposed to be a Republic, not ONLY a Democracy. Then I would agree.
Youre right in saying that America is supposed to be a Republic.

guys, I cant believe so many are thinking that you dont have democracy 🙂

[OhnoParticipant 668]

Democracy
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Democracy (Greek: δημοκρατία, Dēmokratía literally “rule of the commoners”), in modern usage, is a system of government in which the citizens exercise power directly or elect representatives from among themselves to form a governing body, such as a parliament…

You dont have that in America???

[Anonymous 24]

Team Zionist always wins in the U.S. no matter who is in office. When your government is in a never ending state of war, and the people do not want war, yet Israel does, I would go ahead and say no, it is clearly not a democracy, what we have in the U.S. is more like an Oligarchy. Voting means very little in regards to the core of what the U.S. does, and that is give money and military aid away hand over fist all in the interest of Israel while many other countries face famine.

So no, I see the U.S. as a near puppet of Israel, nothing more than a fleecing really when you get right down to it. Democracy? We voted the peace guy in 8 years ago, and got 3x more war…

[UnicronParticipant 752]

Good. F~~~ democracy and its gyno bulls~~~.

Marriage is the process of finding out what kind of man your wife would have preferred.

[OhnoParticipant 668]

Democracy is something that smells good but tastes like s~~~.
The problem is that when you first look at the voting system that democracy is, you would expect it to be something fair, made for everyone, good for everyone and so.
We do have democracies, but they turn out to function like oligarchies and even backdoor tyrannies.

“The best slave is the one who thinks he is free.”
― Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

You can see it right now with Trump, that when the government of a democracy gets closer to what it is expected to be, then the media outlets of the elite and other political puppets claim that “democracy is in danger” and wanting to overthrow him.

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