Two MGTOW contradict each other.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 25021]

The millenial men might be the first generation to whom feminism is truly toxic. With campus rape laws and yes means yes they are experiencing female deception and hypocracy full on.

They may the first generation of herbivore men in the anglosphere. They are being taught the moral bankrupcy most women embrace.

I see a future where many men fear have learned and experienced women’s power and go their own way.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[VeniversumParticipant 492]

You say some good stuff too v, and you have a hopefullness. I just have seen the fema camps for the mgtow and the freemen on the land..

Have you seen those guys on youtube, questioning the jurisdiction of the court, claiming not to be chattel on the high sea. Going on about the 14th amendment and creation of the national corporate entity? It’s great tv.

When I realized that the function of law is to create and perpetuate an advantage for the ruling class, and suppress and subjugate all others under the guise of protection, it occurred to me that law is fiction. It’s a religion, that is based on credulity. Therefore, I don’t bother reading into it. What the state cannot accomplish through legal means, it accomplishes through illegal means behind plausible deniability and the veil of secrecy. Even if what you say is accurate according to what is written, the state will twist it or take it out of context to create the desired result. So no, I have no care for any of those laws. The state creates it’s illusion of legitimacy by solving problems that it creates. The only thing that actually holds the system together is the credulity; the belief *of* the systems legitimacy by the participants of it. The ruling class can use various forms of dogma to cultivate a belief system in the populace that coincides with, and promotes their agenda. These are called “religion”, “dogma”, “law”, “capitalism”, “communism”, etc. The house of cards will eventually fall. Trust in the state, worldwide, is at an all time low. At this point, even if a crisis wasn’t the state’s fault, they would be blamed for it. Welcome to the collapse of civilization. Ragnar Redbeard expressed these facts in several quotes:

THE ESTABLISHMENT:
“Government is founded on property
Property is founded on conquest
Conquest is founded on power
All power is founded on brain and brawn.”
― Ragnar Redbeard, Might is Right

OF THE LAW:

“Citizens who break
the written law are hauled before judges, inquisitorially cross-
examined, and chained for long years in State dungeons; but the
statesmen and legislators may sell their country for gold, and break
every statute law and constitution in the land; without the least fear
of legal intimidation. Indeed the approbation of the State, is all-
sufficient nowadays to sanctify any crime — even the most
abominable. In this particular (of granting absolution) the State is
gradually supplanting and absorbing the Church.”

[VeniversumParticipant 492]

was tfm advocating war if so im displeased.

Absolutely he was. Check the comments in the video I linked, and look for the name of the person he was having the conversation with.

[Big BossParticipant 4496]

Veniversum wrote:

Can they both be correct? I’m leaning more towards Sandman’s point of view, due to the fact that MGTOW’s existence is a rational response, and proof that men no longer wish to compete for women, because there is more liability than there is benefit. Once technology can provide a man with all of the benefits that a woman would provide, then women will be reduce to only a liability. In a civilization of abundance, why bother murdering each other? Clearly there would be more to lose, than to gain. Right

TFM puts out higher quality stuff because Sandman does it at a high rate while TFM doesn’t. Sandman does it every day in response to users input. Because of that Sandman will be inconsistent all the time as he doesn’t have a writing team to keep him consistent and high quality.

[VeniversumParticipant 492]

War mongers all promote war, and the idea of competition because they benefit from it through the stock market, or otherwise get fed from the trough of printed money. Anyone who advocates war, cannot be trusted because of the conflict of interest.

[narwhalParticipant]

On the original topic, I don’t think MGTOW has any standard statement on predicting the future. I see it as about ‘right now’, it dictates your actions right now.

I personally think it’s fun to try and predict the future, but any extrapolation has to assume that surrounding conditions will remain constant, which simply never happens. The women, government, etc are going to have a reaction to MGTOW, and in some ways it will be rational, and it some ways in will be irrational, making the ‘problem’ worse.

I don’t think technology will change much of anything. You cannot replace flesh and blood with a sex doll, not for a lot of people. I personally would rather do without then play pretend. I just don’t think it will replace the biological drives. I’d like to say that those drives can be replaced with other activities, but I’m an older guy, and can’t really tell if I now have a lower sex drive, or am no longer as ‘brainwashed as I used to be.

What’s interesting to me, is what the next few reactions are going to be to the MGTOW movement. What will the government do? I don’t think they mind the divorce rate as it actually is good for the economy as a whole. Kids now have 2 of everything. What would hurt is the birth rate. What will they do? Increase incentives to marry and have kids? Perhaps they will fix divorce laws so that men are not screwed in divorce, and women are less compelled to divorce. Perhaps lower male direct responsibility for kids by increasing taxes for welfare, education etc. Allow for me to opt out of parental responsibilities altogether. I can imagine a world where only the alpha males are reproducing since there is no need for male protection since the government is providing. The betas will go about there lives either ignoring women or fighting to be selected by a female.

What will women do? I think quite a few will double down on feminism and blame men for all their issues. They will push for government support over male support. I think there will be quite a few that may look to go the opposite. Possibly even voluntarily or actively pushing for divorce laws to change …to reduce the risk for men.

I don’t see an artificial womb coming about, since women will hate it, and there will be ethical issues involved. I don’t think there will be enough men who want to raise a child without a mate for this to really become a reality. I do think that male birth control and vasectomies will increase.

But honestly, it’s extrapolations without knowing all the variables that will be at play. It amounts to wild ass guesses.

Ok. Then do it.

[VeniversumParticipant 492]

I think some people are just wondering what you want to do about. of course one can personally replace women in one’s life with something else, but Im not for a pogrom on women. Its like they say. Can’t live with them, can’t kill em.

Well there are many things being done about it:

1. People are joining MGTOW.
2. Law enforcement officers are refusing to enforce unjust laws.
3. Military people are refusing orders, or intend to refuse orders given a specific scenario.
4. Bitcoin was invented.
5. Propaganda is being destroyed by individuals who are exposing it for what it really is on the internet.
6. The public is educating it’s self, and with this information can simply refuse to cooperate, opting out in mass.

The ruling class cannot enslave their subjects without the cooperation of their subjects. Without the willingness of a wielder of a weapon, power doesn’t exist. Attempts are being made to circumvent this by using drones, but drones are susceptible to being turned on their masters, or otherwise programmed to hunt people down or assassinate them. If people refuse to war, they will try to win support for government using climate change as the tool for expansion of power.

[Big BossParticipant 4496]

Veniversum wrote:

“Turd Flinging Monkey” released this video, that claims that a Utopian type of society cannot be created because of the biological instincts of men to compete for women: https://youtu.be/8rgNPhETuDI

“Sandman” released this video stating that men will no longer need to compete for women, because their biological functions will be replaced by technology: https://youtu.be/SfDfjIILkJQ

Can they both be correct? I’m leaning more towards Sandman’s point of view, due to the fact that MGTOW’s existence is a rational response, and proof that men no longer wish to compete for women, because there is more liability than there is benefit. Once technology can provide a man with all of the benefits that a woman would provide, then women will be reduce to only a liability. In a civilization of abundance, why bother murdering each other? Clearly there would be more to lose, than to gain. Right

TFM is far more consistent and high quality because he doesn’t pump out content at the rate Sandman does. Sandman doing videos every day like Jon Stewart without an actual writing team to check consistency and keep quality up is going to suffer as frequently as it does.

I think MGTOW need relax.

[Big BossParticipant 4496]

Had some technical issues, can mods please delete my last post? K thx bai

[VeniversumParticipant 492]

was tfm advocating war if so im displeased.

He’s a Malthusian. I have a screenshot here [url=http://postimg.org/image/je4wosd2p/][/url]

[VeniversumParticipant 492]

Keymaster, what is going on with this link? Why is it being obscured by an image?

[FullMetalExoParticipant 2383]

I dunno what will come out in the end. Im like a waken up slave, still a slave to my biology for better and for worse. Im at peace with myself right now, having my own projects. Will see what happens next. =)

As long as technology doesn’t bother me too much, Im happy with it. Once its a hassle, its out the door or window hehe.

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