Trump won the fifth debate!

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Might as well make up some debate that didn’t happen, so that people can say who they think won, happening to correspond with who they want to win.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[HitmanParticipant]

I think he was winning from the start.
He looked super confident .
Kept his composure.
Pressed good points.
CNN is busy trying to trash him right now. .
She is a “nasty woman ” !

[BeerParticipant 11832]

Don’t know why your saying this crap. After the first debate not everyone on here was claiming a Trump victory and I thought a lot of guys on here gave some good criticism of his performance. I didn’t watch and wasn’t around to post after the second, but I think there are some pretty smart dudes on this forum that can see reality and not just tow a party line.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Pat Buchanan: “all you have to do to win the debate is meet expectations” and the bar was pretty low for the first two debates. Yes Trump missed some soft b~~~~ to be sure—I’ve been waiting patiently for him to say: “name me one country that taxed itself to prosperity?” Oh well.

[HitmanParticipant]

Hey, Trump did a better job than I could have. .
May not be saying much but I think he was pretty damn good. .
I wish he tore into bigger flaws with the Clintons. .

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22520]

We were expecting Trump to be a political brawler looking for a quick victory. Instead, Trump was a solid political boxer. He kept going. He remained calm and stayed on policies, making his case. While Hillary lied, lied, lied. And her lies showed, as she visibly wore down as the debate progressed.

Meanwhile, Trump just let Hillary have enough rope to politically hang herself with. Hillary became boring.

I think Hillary tanked her campaign on three points in this debate. When Wikileaks was first mentioned in this debate, she went full on tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist against Russia, and she did not let up.

Hillary attacking Russia over Wikileaks makes her appear she wants to start War World III over her bruised ego. That is a very bad political move to make.

She could not create an adequate defense to the Wikileaks concerning her speeches and how she does not want borders between nations.

And instead of avoiding the Clinton Foundation, she defended the Clinton Foundation with lies to outlandish no one believes them, and Trump called her on the lies. Trump also pivoted to Haiti with the Clinton Foundation.

And Trump pointed out the hypocrisy of the Clinton Foundation accepting money for Saudi Arabia and others islamic nations, given how such islamic nations treat women and homosexuals so badly.

Trump showed how Hillary was not friend to women, nor homosexuals.

Trump even asked Hillary to return that money.

Trump was good on a number of policy points. How he approached pro-life, gun ownership rights, economy, the border wall were good. While he continued to verbally attack Hillary in ways that made her weak.

Trump did not want a knock out tonight. Trump wanted to drag the debate out to show how weak Hillary was. And Trump accomplish this task.

In this debate, Hillary hoping to win this debate battle to win the war. Trump went into the debate battle as a stepping stone to win the war.

Remember, Hillary is in ill health. She is not attending rallies, nor speaking functions. Outside of rigging the election. She needed this debate to be a solid victory.

On the other hand, Trump is doing two rallies a day. Trump can take this debate victory and parley the victory into a great strategy to make sure his election victory is a solid victory.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22520]

I also noticed she got mad at one point, she mad as hell.

That is going to politically hurt her.

Her performance in this debate could be one of the find straws to cost her this election.

By the way. Wearing white after Labor Day is a big no no for traditional trade-con women. And she did not wear her white suit well. White is not her color.

And if her debate performance was not bad enough. Right afterward, she tweeted herself into another scandal dealing with classified information she just shared with everyone: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/breaking-hillary-commits-another-crime-leaks-nuclear-secrets-debate-video/

[Big BossParticipant 4496]

Beer wrote:

Don’t know why your saying this crap. After the first debate not everyone on here was claiming a Trump victory and I thought a lot of guys on here gave some good criticism of his performance. I didn’t watch and wasn’t around to post after the second, but I think there are some pretty smart dudes on this forum that can see reality and not just tow a party line.

It’s how women operate.

[JuehueParticipant 1316]

I heard she slipped out another govt secret on the debate. Something about nuclear response time. Is it true?

[Big BossParticipant 4496]

Hillary clinton revealed Top Secred information when she talked about the 4 minute timer from order untill missile launch.
It is TS/NC2 classified and anyone else revealing it would face court-martial

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Juehue wrote:

I heard she slipped out another govt secret on the debate. Something about nuclear response time. Is it true?

She said it but its not a secret because what she said was incorrect.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Sorry
BIG BOSS I was wrong and you were right! In my day it was 15 minutes but you are right on. I can admit when I goof.

[Big BossParticipant 4496]

No prob

[TaxGuyParticipant]

Here’s my problem with Trump. When the email thing came out and Hillary pivoted to them being stolen by Russia, his response should have been:

1. Of course I condemn other countries stealing the emails, no matter which country it was (he did say this).
2. They stole the emails from the Democratic party. Which PROVES that you mishandle sensitive information, otherwise they couldn’t have got the emails. Maybe if you didn’t have all this stuff on some makeshift server in your basement they wouldn’t have got them, which PROVES that you don’t know what you’re doing.
3. Notice how she didn’t deny anything that is said in the emails? Because it’s all TRUE. One of her minions offered more FBI jobs overseas in exchange for changing the status of a few of the emails to classified so they wouldn’t be read by the public. That’s ILLEGAL. And she isn’t denying it, she just wants to pivot to where they came from. Because she can’t defend the truth that is in the emails.

The fact that he can’t make a coherent argument and stay on point is what will ultimately cost him this election. This is just one example, but I find myself watching him thinking I could do better in a debate with Hillary than he does.

Example two: NAFTA and him moving jobs overseas. My response:

Let’s say NIKE came out with a new shoe that would cut a second off of your 100 yard dash time. Do you know what an advantage that would be for a runner? NONE, because EVERYONE would wear them. It would be great for NIKE but it doesn’t create an advantage for the runner. NAFTA is the same thing. You created a way to take cost out of the businesses expenses, by buying and producing overseas. If you keep making things in the US, you are a second behind. There’s no way to win. So the fact that I moved my manufacturing overseas is because you made the law in such a way that it is the only way to be competitive.

You made the law and business reacted. And then you blame me because you weren’t smart enough to know what the law was actually going to do. This is why I say that I understand trade deals better than she does. Because I run a business that has to react to her decisions that are bad for the American worker.

He does not make these cases goodly. He makes them badly. And it’s going to cost him badly.

Order the good wine

[SamsquanchParticipant 4226]

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

Might as well make up some debate that didn’t happen, so that people can say who they think won, happening to correspond with who they want to win.

So in previous posts you claim not to have time to spend in the political corner of the forums, yet you continue to make topics…

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22520]

TaxGuy wrote:

When the email thing came out and Hillary pivoted to them being stolen by Russia, his response should have been:

Actually, that is not what happened.

The moderator mentioned the Wikileaks, specifically about Hillary’s Goldman Sachs speeches with her staying she did not want any borders. Hillary immediately put on her tin foil hat and went full retard conspiracy theories against Russia.

When Trump spoke, he responded, “Great pivot away from borders” which got some giggles from the crowd.

Trump did not lay into the Hillary e-mail mess until a little later with the foreign policy discussion. Which Trump pointed out that Hillary had the chance to change the law as a Senator. She did not. Hillary had the chance to do things as Secretary of State. She did not. Trump pointed out all Hillary did was talk and talk for the last 30 years.

TaxGuy wrote:

He does not make these cases goodly. He makes them badly. And it’s going to cost him badly.

Trump made a wonder case on policies. One solid comment after another. I know. I watched and listened to the debate. While Hillary lied, lied, and lied. And Hillary lied badly.

The worst lies Hillary told was the Clinton Foundation. Trump’s responses on where Hillary gets some of her money from the Clinton Foundation, such as arab governments that murder homosexuals and treat women badly were spot on.

The moderator was a bias, and the moderator tried to trip Trump up at the end by demanding he accept the results of the election. After he pointed out how the election is being rigged in detail. And Hillary was not asked this question.

Trump’s reply, “I will leave you in suspense.” Was spot on. While Hillary replied to that comment, “That horrify.” Shows so much of what is wrong with her character.

Hillary also did not do herself any favors with her joker smile and that white pantsuits. Also, while Trump remained calm, Hillary lost her cool a few times. She became upset and flustered, bordering on angry.

This morning, the propaganda arm of the Hillary campaign, the media is trying to spin the not accepting possible voter fraud results. But, given what he said earlier about election rigging in detail, it will not play. And by the end of the day, the media will try to down play the debate.

The media were hoping that Trump would be rougher, so they could accuse him of being a bully. But, he remained calm and he got his message across.

TaxGuy wrote:

Example two: NAFTA and him moving jobs overseas. My response:

Let’s say NIKE came out with a new shoe that would cut a second off of your 100 yard dash time. Do you know what an advantage that would be for a runner? NONE, because EVERYONE would wear them. It would be great for NIKE but it doesn’t create an advantage for the runner. NAFTA is the same thing. You created a way to take cost out of the businesses expenses, by buying and producing overseas. If you keep making things in the US, you are a second behind. There’s no way to win. So the fact that I moved my manufacturing overseas is because you made the law in such a way that it is the only way to be competitive.

You made the law and business reacted. And then you blame me because you weren’t smart enough to know what the law was actually going to do. This is why I say that I understand trade deals better than she does. Because I run a business that has to react to her decisions that are bad for the American worker.

Trump was not speaking to corporate executives, whom lobbied government to pass laws and treaties to allow them to take tens of millions of jobs from the American people.

When the American people demand money be taken from companies and the wealthy, the companies scream “communism”. But, when companies and the wealthy, take jobs, wealth, property, futures, lives, they say “business”.

Now you understand why so many people support Trump and his policies.

[<<>>Participant 435]

Trump’s rhetoric was sound he stood confident in his convictions and called out a liar. When she hit like a girl he let it slide and never appeared to be on the defensive. The only problem is that women and liberals (indoctrinated into fem-mindset FEELZ over REELZ) are everywhere voting in droves. The 19th amendment was the beginning of the end of rational governance.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22520]

<<>> wrote:

Trump’s rhetoric was sound he stood confident in his convictions and called out a liar. When she hit like a girl he let it slide and never appeared to be on the defensive. The only problem is that women and liberals (indoctrinated into fem-mindset FEELZ over REELZ) are everywhere voting in droves.

And here I thought MGTOW liked to point out how women do not like each other. Since Hillary appears unwell, but physically and mentally, along with her scandals. I believe such dislike is in play for the election.

[TaxGuyParticipant]

Faust For Science wrote:

Now you understand why so many people support Trump and his policies.

Faust: I do get why people support Trump and his policies. I actually support his policies more than I support him. I just think he does an “OK” job at explaining them. And frankly, I think he sounds stupid when he uses words like goodly and badly.

Back to the NAFTA thing, my hometown was devastated by NAFTA. The people there know it but don’t exactly know why or who to blame. In short, for them they are right for the wrong reasons. He could do a better job of explaining why those trade deals matter and why he is the best one to trust to fix it. Just saying the trade deals are terrible and he is the only one that can fix it isn’t enough. Explain it.

And remember, they are fighting over the undecided people at this point. It doesn’t matter that he makes his base happy, he needs to explain to people who are on the fence that he is right. I just question whether or not he did that.

And it seemed to me he got more agitated as the night went on. He started interrupting her more and more. And I don’t think the part about the rigged election will play well with undecided voters. That’s not to say he is wrong, but most people choose to believe that voter fraud isn’t “that bad”. Bigv might remember this story or can debunk it, but I remember reading in the last election that King County Washington (Seattle) had counted more votes than they had registered voters. All that said, most people don’t believe it and I doubt it got him any undecided voters. They are “blue pill” when it comes to elections and prefer to have their heads in the sand.

It seems like he is counting on maximizing his base and hoping that he gets record turnout in his base rather than expanding the tent. We will find out in a few weeks if that strategy worked.

Order the good wine

[<<>>Participant 435]

Faust For Science wrote:

And here I thought MGTOW liked to point out how women do not like each other. Since Hillary appears unwell, but physically and mentally, along with her scandals. I believe such dislike is in play for the election.

She appealed to women in the urgent sense and most directly in her attacks on Trump’s supposed lack of respect for women in general mentally and carnally. What sane men agree with namely the 2nd amendment and a pro-life stance, irrational women and feminized indoctrinated minds fear. We are talking about people who actually believe that burger flippers and under the table carpenters should be paid the same wage, that’s a huge demographic bovine idiocy.

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