Three months to long! Time to go my own way

[Freeman_KParticipant 3524]

Man, reading this just gave me red pill rage. The f~~~, she tells you she has 200k in debt after marriage. Good luck.

As per advice I have no such experience but my 2 cents from no bias outside perspective – this is f~~~ing war. And in war you dont share information with enemy. If she married you knowing she is offloading her 200k debt and turned into cold no phycical contact in months this is fraud. I dont know the situation, who owns the house, etc, but if there are no ties run and never look back. Otherwise listen to lawyer if you trust him.

The choices we make, not the chances we take, determine our destiny

[The Manipulated ManParticipant 1856]

Lex wrote:

…….Her debt is from student loans…….

I studied with some Wimmin Grad Students who emigrated from Canada to the Mid-West USA. They spent most of their lives as “Professional Students” with multiple degrees while living off both governments and taking out “Student” loans. They all talked about womyn’s issues in the sciences, the “Glass Ceiling,” and the boat loads full of money they were going to make when they graduated down the road. Nevertheless, they all still managed to find husbands.

Appreciate the additional information Lex.

Can you go after her legally in Canada for fraud?

As a former Bible Dupe, I felt spiritual pride when I repaid all of my ex-wife’s College loans while we were in our thirties. What a guy! What a guy!

I “voluntarily” did it to myself.

Now in my fifties, I finally learned that “no good deed goes unpunished” when dealing with wimmin.

I am ashamed of my foolishness and wish I could take it all back.

According to Matt Alden, a bankruptcy lawyer in the USA focusing on student loan issues, “In most instances, a spouse will not be held responsible for student loan debts unless they cosigned for the loan.”

According to New York divorce attorney Cari Rincker, Educational Debt incurred before a marriage, is considered separate property and barring some predetermined contractual agreement, it stays that way after a divorce. “My law-school-loan debt is forever mine,” Ms. Rincker says. “No spouse will ever be liable” for it.

Lex wrote:

…….Another unfortunate part of Canadian Law is that debt brought into a marriage becomes marital or joint debt potentially…….

Until you posted your Introduction Lex, it was my understanding that in Canada, Federal and Provincial governments do not expect spouses to pay student loans for their partners unless they cosigned for the loans or voluntarily decide to pay.

I hope Canuk MGTOWs will weigh in and enlighten us TAPs (Typical American Pricks) with their knowledge on this topic “for sure.”

Lex, how did you like our Presidential election in the USA?

Anyhow, it is very good to read how you woke up after a few months and are proceeding to take action.

I look forward to reading your updates and the advice you will get in this Introduction thread.

What happens when a man finally comprehends the cold and calculating thoughts that are going through a woman's mind, while her eyes are brimming with tears?

[AkanbiParticipant 2120]

Tuneout wrote:

but at least it wasn’t till after you had kids with her.

Share that sentiment.

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What @tuneout said.

My brother make you no follow sheeple o. Look them and Go Your Way.

[LexParticipant 117]

The Manipulated Man wrote:

Can you go after her legally in Canada for fraud?

– I would never be able to successfully go after her for fraud, even if I sued civil., though if she wants alimony (spousal support), my pension, and savings I should have a decent argument that no judge should be able to ignore given the short marriage.

Though tomorrow I start the process of setting up my apartment (signed a contract for a lease and its the best contract I have signed since being married!) – Though I am positive she knows there is something going on, she all of a sudden wants to jump me, or flirt and provide her attention. Atleast earlier today, my lack of interest in her and her attempts have angered her of course, so its an enjoyable evening here, and searching for books to pass my time in the next few months (Any suggests on reading material pass along brothers)

The Manipulated Man wrote:

Lex, how did you like our Presidential election in the USA?

I enjoyed the election actually. I mean yeah it was a s~~~ show, and Hillary was disgusting in how she handled matters, from the private server, emails, being sick, hiring actors to ask questions.
I don’t agree with The Don on everything but it was clear to me he was going to win early on. The man basically walked into the election and said he has the biggest dick. He whipped it out and slapped it on the table. Hillary couldn’t put anything on the table so they came up with he has small hands.

I think the lack of her coming out the night of the election for a concession speech really summed up her character. She reminds me of the kid that would take his football home because he couldn’t score a TD.

[The Manipulated ManParticipant 1856]

I have never had so much fun during a Presidential election.

Afterwards, I have been bathing in the tears of Feminists.

The joy derived from the misfortune of Communist Feminists is overwhelming.

Is that schadenfreude?

Lex wrote:

…Any suggests on reading material pass along brothers…

Whenever I want to escape, I enjoy reading science fiction. Robert A. Heinlein is my favorite.

However, here are some Good MGTOW approved Books that are available as free PDF’s:

The Manipulated Man by Esther Vilar.

Anatomy of female power by Chinweizu.

The Predatory Female by Rev. Lawrence Shannon.

I started a discussion thread about being forced to pay off a New Bride’s old college loans. A MGTOW named Beer posted a remarkable approach to understanding the problem. Feel free to add your thoughts to the discussion. Click the link below to follow/ post reply:

Is a man required by law to pay off New Bride’s old college loans?

Nevertheless, kindly shed some light on the following questions:

Is paying off your New Bride’s college loans something that you volunteered out of programming, honor, and/or the goodness of your heart?

If no, then who exactly told you that you are legally required to pay off your blushing bride’s prior debt after marriage?

What did your lawyer say about the information provided below?

The Manipulated Man wrote:

………. it was my understanding that in Canada, Federal and Provincial governments do not expect spouses to pay student loans for their partners unless they cosigned for the loans or voluntarily decide to pay………

According to Matt Alden, a bankruptcy lawyer in the USA focusing on student loan issues, “In most instances, a spouse will not be held responsible for student loan debts unless they cosigned for the loan.”

According to New York divorce attorney Cari Rincker, Educational Debt incurred before a marriage, is considered separate property and barring some predetermined contractual agreement, it stays that way after a divorce. “My law-school-loan debt is forever mine,” Ms. Rincker says. “No spouse will ever be liable” for it.

What happens when a man finally comprehends the cold and calculating thoughts that are going through a woman's mind, while her eyes are brimming with tears?

[LexParticipant 117]

The Manipulated Man wrote:

Nevertheless, kindly shed some light on the following questions:

Is paying off your New Bride’s college loans something that you volunteered out of programming, honor, and/or the goodness of your heart?

If no, then who exactly told you that you are legally required to pay off your blushing bride’s prior debt after marriage?

What did your lawyer say about the information provided below?

Sadly the first thought I had when I heard about the debt was. I have to solve this problem. It wasn’t I have to solve “her” problem. I was completely believing we were a team and we had a problem to overcome and how do we move forward. (what did I do start paying the debt, take every OT shift I could, look at taking on second jobs – I looked at liquidating any assets that still had minor debts with monthly payments etc)
It wasn’t until I was hitting the streets looking for that second job (I know I am actually ashamed I did this looking back) that it hit me, I am selling things off, making sacrifices and when I suggested that she look for other work as well – I was told she is a Doctor it would be unbecoming for her to work a second job. That was my rage moment my what the f~~~ I am just a slave! Completely programmed that I am supposed to come in an solve her problem.

So I start reading federal and provincial statues seems very straight forward. Pre-maritial debt (specifically student loans) will also be the responsibility of the person carrying the debt. In Canada though civil court like criminal court there is Case Law (decisions made on a case to case bases that actually effect every other case – some at some point some guy got royally f~~~ed and had to pay off his ex-wifes debt – well now all those woman with debt can in fact marry and push half there debt onto there soon to be ex-husbands (EVEN IF THEY DIDN’T COSIGN!) **This was confirmed by my lawyer-someone who I actually do trust, and showed me the case law around the matter.
– Now the shorter the marriage and if the man leaves specifically because of the debt (not knowing how much it would be or the payment schedule etc) if the ex-wife wants to push that debt on him the guy can fight it and chances are highly likely he will win (if its a short marriage). Now if I stay in the marriage for a few years to try and make it work (as my lawyer said you are either the bad guy now or the bad guy later in her/her families eyes. The only difference is you will be setting yourself up to be her financial slave for however many years, and she will be entitled to half of all my pension earnings, possibly spousal support if she stops working or starts earning less and you could be stuck with more of her debt)

Any new members or anyone that has read my introduction and has read this far. Please learn from my mistake DO NOT GET MARRIED! THERE IS NO BENEFIT FOR YOU. YOU LIKE MYSELF WERE PROBABLY RAISED BY WOMAN (AT HOME, AT SCHOOL, UNIVERSITY) IS ANOTHER WOMAN IN YOUR LIFE REALLY WHAT YOU NEED?! NO! BE TRUE TO YOURSELF AND ENJOY LIFE

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