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Did the people of the Roman church in Christ’s time have anything to do with the conversion of the Roman pagan religion to Christianity in Constantine’s time?
Constantine forced christians into the pagan religion by making Sunday (sungod worship) the new day of worship to them, practically giving Satan the honor instead of god. Constantine tried to force them by law and if they didnt follow, they had to die.
I described it yesterday in the threat that is now in the litter box.
flavian theory
Check this out.
I’m not anti Christianity. I’m anti Churchianity.
Jesus is the word of god. It is God who speaks through Jesus. That is why when Jesus got asked if he is god, he said that he is.
What else can he say?
The cornerstone of gods church is Jesus Christ.
The closer of the church of Satan (represented as a pyramid) is Satan.
Look on your dollarbill theres a picture of it.You cant “invent” christianity.
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.You probably cant imagine that I thought hard about this, since you have said that.
I came to a conclusion of how I am going to present myself and my thoughts from now on.
It was what i had to be reminded of.
I tell you that, because it doesnt seem that it got to me from what I wrote.
So thank you.The private message doesnt work at all the whole time so I just say it here.
Hey German Truther,
Not sure I understand that, but I’ll take it in the spirit I think it is meant, and just say, God bless you.
@MG-Tower – Catholics certainly don’t worship Mary, though I understand Marian doctrines are a sticking point for other Christians. Happy to chat about this if you want, since it’s one of the rare occasions where I think I can prove a negative. If you don’t want to, no sweat.
Anonymous42I’m not sure, but I think the virgin Mary was classified as holy, saint, or something? (I don’t remember) but I do know it was done by the Vatican sometime in the late 50’s. 57/58? And stuff like this today>>>
Feb 18, 2011 – The Vatican has named a tiny shrine in a small northeast Wisconsin town as a holy site, claiming “Mary” appeared. The Catholic Church has … Green Bay Bishop David Ricken says the Virgin Mary appeared there three times to Belgium immigrant Adele Brise in 1859. Devotees have since visited the site to pray for miracles.
sourse: http://ivarfjeld.com/2011/02/18/wisconsin-site-deemed-holy-by-catholic-leaders/
I’m not sure, but the last time I checked, only deities can appear long after their,,, deaths? lives? time machine?
Holy? Earth? I don’t think so, it’s like saying holy Satan! The earth is cursed; so don’t go offering god any vegetables, he likes his meat (lamb chops).
Hey German Truther,
Not sure I understand that, but I’ll take it in the spirit I think it is meant, and just say, God bless you.
Thank you.
[quote quote=182324]Catholics certainly don’t worship Mary
Why dont you use google?
for example “pope worships holy mary”
http://www.remnantofgod.org/godmary.htmor this
http://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-deception_end-time_paganism_Catholic_Mithraism
I’m not sure, but I think the virgin Mary was classified as holy, saint, or something? (I don’t remember) but I do know it was done by the Vatican sometime in the late 50’s. 57/58? And stuff like this today>>>
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sourse: http://ivarfjeld.com/2011/02/18/wisconsin-site-deemed-holy-by-catholic-leaders/
I’m not sure, but the last time I checked, only deities can appear long after their,,, deaths? lives? time machine?
Holy? Earth? I don’t think so, it’s like saying holy Satan! The earth is cursed; so don’t go offering god any vegetables, he likes his meat (lamb chops).
Well, I agree the earth in general is under the curse of sin – people too of course – but you still get holy bits – eg the burning bush, “take thy shoes from off thy feet, this is holy ground” as I think Cecil B DeMille put it, and likewise the Jerusalem temple site is considered a holy site. Areas can be sanctified,
Re declaring Mary holy, well, the word holy means sanctified, which in turn means technically “given over to God”. Hence the Christians of the early Church are all called ‘saints’ or ‘holy ones’ in the New Testament – they are all holy because they are being sanctified by Jesus. He get’s all the credit, we get the benefit, so to speak.
Re Catholics not worshiping Mary, what I mean is, there are no doctrines that put her on a par with God or regard her as anything other than one of God’s creations like the rest of us. (You can check the Catechism and the Vatican II docs HERE if you really want). Also – and I’m happy to post these – if you look at the mentions of Mary in the missal (the little book you read along with in Mass when you ARE worshiping in a Catholic Church) the few mentions of her are very much down among the members of the Church, not at all up with God, eg “with Mary and the saints we praise you O God, we bless you, we glorify you etc”.
There is certainly a great devotion to Mary in the Church, but that’s celebrating what God did in her life, not her for herself. I think it’s quite consistent with Scripture which talks about all sorts of people gone by, lauds them for their faith or famous acts and invites us to remember them eg Heb 13:7, “Consider the outcome of their way of life and imitate their faith”. I mean, this is the woman whom the Holy Spirit called, “most blessed of women” (Lk 1:42), so it’s not surprising we remember her and say nice things. Would there were such women nowadays.
(Again, happy to say more, it’s a big topic). And people say MGTOW don’t say nice things about women…. tsk tsk.
And Mary turning up after her death? “God is not the God of the dead but the God of the living” (Matt 22:32). She’s very much alive in Christ. 🙂
Why dont you use google?
for example “pope worships holy mary”
http://www.remnantofgod.org/godmary.htmor this
http://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-deception_end-time_paganism_Catholic_Mithraism
Why would I use Google to search for nonsense? Do you get up in the morning and Google, “Christians go to Church on Sundays but I go on Saturday so I must be a Wiccan?”
I’m guessing… no.
I did follow some of your links though, there was nothing about worshiping Mary, nothing about regarding her as level with God or on a par with God, just people who are devoted to her and are better Christians for contemplating and imitating her faith. To explain that sort of devotion I’d basically have to take you through the entire Bible, starting with all we learn about Moses – who was he? Why did we learn about him? Was he important somehow? Is it of value that several books of the bible talk about him? Does God want us to know about him? – and the rest of the patriarchs, King David of course, the prophets etc. We are told about them to study, understand and imitate them. Many people grow to be quite devoted to such people – that’s why there are folks called “Moses” and “David” to this day. (PS If you don’t know about David, you’ll NEVER understand Jesus – half the OT is dedicated to exploring the Davidic kings precisely because they are a human, imperfect type of Jesus’ perfect kingship.)
Question: The first Davidic King, Solomon – who was his queen?
Question: The last Davidic King, Jehoiakin – who was his queen?
Question: When Elizabeth addresses Mary as, “mother of my Lord” – what did that phrase mean among Davidic royalty?
Ever heard of such things? Ever thought about them? Ever do some research, some genuine consideration of possible meaning of Scriptural passages before you started carrying on about Catholicism?
The thing is, German Truther, you’re talking s~~~ about things I’d bet dollars to donuts you’ve never actually thought about and don’t really care about. You just like going to hate sites and being confirmed that your little cult or whatever is right (and it’s pretty obvious which one you’re in) and everyone else is wrong. That’s sad.
My evidence for this is your linking to Mithraism, and arguing it in that other thread (I didn’t read it previously as I genuinely try to avoid these religious blowups, but I went and looked it up when you referenced it).
Last week, you were telling a whole forum full of people – thousands of us (plus lurkers) that Catholics worship Horus and Isis. A ridiculous, base libel on a billion of your Christian brothers and sisters, for what? To talk s~~~. This week, you’re making the same claim but now it’s Mithraism. What’ll it be next week?
As I said, you don’t know about Catholicism, and you don’t seem to care.
Come back at me if you like, but I won’t respond to you unless you NAME your cult, so we can run that through Google.
Last week, you were telling a whole forum full of people – thousands of us (plus lurkers) that Catholics worship Horus and Isis. A ridiculous, base libel on a billion of your Christian brothers and sisters, for what?
If anyone else but you understood my intention that way… Im sorry.
Wasnt my intention to attack anyone.<sigh> Alright, thankyou for saying that. Let’s just drop this.
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Anonymous42Survivor does have a point^^^^…
It seems every force on heaven and earth is moving men to become MGTOW,,, My bitch is how people are expected to rise and kneel in a public forum, like Court, all rise,,,,, be seated,,,, to show respect? NO! to show submission! Same in a church, everyone submitting to one dude/CHICK? WTF! I can’t do it anymore!
Pay godlike respect to a bunch of f~~~ing creeps?
Be handed a lifetime misery award in divorce court, enslaving you like an animal?
Criminalized for being a man if you don’theedheel to their outrageous demands, while cloaking the woman in a free heated home, medical, and cash awards for having bastard babies for big daddy government?
The only knee I’m bending is to god directly!
I’m the last motherf~~~er you’ll see swallowing the KoolAid!survivor, it doesnt have to do with shiny or this threat in particular. Its prophecised that people in our time will be exactly what they are like. Everything is exactly like god always said.
HE was never a deceiver.I want all deleted since a few days, because I found out my behaviour was not acceptable before and I really regret it alot, that I wildly accused people… not without a reason, but I should have been more calm about this all. I cant take back what I did of course, but still…
I wish I would have found out before of how to deal with the situation in gods will.
All I wrote was to bring out the truth…
but what did i reach? only fightings.
Anonymous42Hey gt, you’re over reacting, it’s no big deal, we’re supposed to give each other metaphoric black eyes, it’s the hammering process for refining the thought process, f~~~ what ya said, the important thing is to keep on saying, keep moving forward, improve yourself.
The lesson is to refine and improve, not stumble over the past in an endless cycle of regret, rinse and repeat, Just keep on keeping on! Look and move forward, forget the rear-view mirror!
Don’t let s~~~ get you hung up… I don’t see a problem….I certainly don’t want to see you leave either, GT, you’ve written plenty of other stuff that’s benefited me and others.
Shiny what about the Catholic church’s pervasive child sex abuse,and how the church just shifted these pedos around so they could continue their reign of terror. I mean it with all my heart when I say f the Catholic church. And you really have a lot of nerve for feigning outrage about people criticising that piece of s~~~ organization.
You’ve missed the point entirely, Survivor. My issue isn’t people bagging the Church, which is at the end of the day a bunch of people, some good – many good, I’d say – and yes, some just pedophiles who should be locked up at the very least. My issue is people bagging the Church’s teachings, which I happen to think come from God. Nobody has to agree with that and people can challenge it all they like, but I would prefer civil discussion about such things, not off-the-cuff nonsense – “them Catholics have been Sun-worshipers since Constantine’s time!” – about something that is central to so many people’s lives.
Call it manners, if you will. You’re pretty obviously s~~~-stirring at this point with the multiple posts so I’m not that concerned if you think my outrage is real, feigned or a bot to sell you afterlife insurance.
the Church’s teachings, which I happen to think come from God.
No the Churches teachings dont come from god. The bible teachings come from god and tell us the truth. Its not possible to change gods plan.
The prophecies of the bible have been fulfilled until now precisely and the last ones will fulfill also.
What to discuss if the bible is 100% true and will fulfill anyways?
I want to wake up people to this fact, thats all.Heres a link to an “opinion” that explains it pretty well that the churches are not gods will.
Jesus is the word of god. It is God who speaks through Jesus. That is why when Jesus got asked if he is god, he said that he is.
What else can he say?Im not happy with the way I said it.
the Church’s teachings, which I happen to think come from God.
No the Churches teachings dont come from god. The bible teachings come from god and tell us the truth. Its not possible to change gods plan.
The prophecies of the bible have been fulfilled until now precisely and the last ones will fulfill also.
What to discuss if the bible is 100% true and will fulfill anyways?
I want to wake up people to this fact, thats all.Heres a link to an “opinion” that explains it pretty well that the churches are not gods will.
Happy to discuss this with you GT – “the Church’s teachings come from God” and “the Bible is 100% true and fulfills it’s prophecies” are NOT mutually exculsive positions – but gimme 24 hours to get back to my PC (on the road for work atm).
Matthew 23
A Warning Against Hypocrisy
1Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2“The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat.3So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach.4They tie up heavy, cumbersome loads and put them on other people’s shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
5“Everything they do is done for people to see: They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long;6they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues;7they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called ‘Rabbi’ by others.
8“But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers.9And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.10Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah.11The greatest among you will be your servant.12For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.
Seven Woes on the Teachers of the Law and the Pharisees
13“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.
15“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.
16“Woe to you, blind guides! You say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gold of the temple is bound by that oath.’17You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?18You also say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but anyone who swears by the gift on the altar is bound by that oath.’19You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?20Therefore, anyone who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.21And anyone who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.22And anyone who swears by heaven swears by God’s throne and by the one who sits on it.
23“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.24You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.
25“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.26Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
27“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean.28In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.
29“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.30And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’31So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets.32Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started!
33“You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?34Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.35And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar.36Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation.
37“Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing.38Look, your house is left to you desolate.39For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’ ”Matthew 24
The Destruction of the Temple and Signs of the End Times
1Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2“Do you see all these things?” he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”
3As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?”
4Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you.5For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many.6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places.8All these are the beginning of birth pains.
9“Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me.10At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other,11and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold,13but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.Hi again GT,
Just reread your post. I agree with you about the Bible being God’s Will and (understood correctly) 100% accurate – I’m certainly not a short-Earth Creationist or anything but I do think every word of the Bible is Truth. So nothing to debate there. Judging by your follow-up post from Matthew about the endtimes, you think the end is nigh? It does feel like that – there’s wars, and mass movements of peoples, and global disasters, and ye ol’ Mark of the Beast cashless finance could arrive any day now – but then we’re a bunch of guys (in part) lamenting how gynocentrism is destroying society, so we’re not exactly objective. A lot of people thought the end was nigh just before the millennium less than 2 decades back, and 2 decades before that during the arms race, and back in the 60s with the first arms race / sexual revolution etc, and 2 decades before that was WW2, and 21 years back was WW1…. I think we may be in a period like RoyDal mentioned, like the fall of Rome with the barbarians at the gate and a Dark Age coming. The end could be 1000s of years off.
So, since I couldn’t mention the Church teaching God’s word without you denying it, I’ll just explain why I believe that, and then you can explain why you believe in the Bible alone if you like. (Didn’t find your link about Church systems at all convincing btw, but I did read it. The church is MEANT to own buildings – can you think where Jesus asserts that? )
Anyways… I believe that Jesus is the son of God, the very Word of God, as you do, and that God sent him to us that we may know His Word, as God himself said once: “this is my beloved Son, listen to him”. (Mk 9:8)
I believe that Jesus preached the Gospel, as he was authorised by his Father, and then instructed his Apostles to do the same: “All power in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you, to the very end of the age”. (Matt 28:18-20) He authorised the Apostles – the leadership of his Church – to go forth and teach.
Notice the 3-fold commission
– make disciples and baptize them
– teach all that Jesus taught, not just what is recorded in the Bible (Jn 21:25) but EVERYTHING that Jesus taught
– Jesus himself will be with the Church to empower them to do so.That’s Matthew. Luke has exactly the same idea: “whoever listens to you, listens to me. Whoever rejects you, rejects me”. (Lk 10:16)
John elaborates on this frequently throughout his Gospel. “As the Father is sending me, so I am sending you” (Jn 20:21). As Jesus was sent by the Father, authorised and empowered by the Father, such that Jesus could say, “whoever rejects me rejects my Father”, so he authorised and empowered the Apostles as leaders of the Church, and said, “whoever receives one whom I send receives me, and whoever receives me receives the One who sent me” (Jn 13:20). Hence we are called to follow the Apostolic teaching, for he also taught the Apostles, “if they kept my word, they will keep yours also” (Jn 15:20). John said many similar things, I’m trying to keep this short.
What was the mechanism by which Jesus passed on his teaching? Did he distribute Bibles, as God distributed stone tablets to Moses? Did he have the apostles sit down and write as the likes of Ezekiel or Ezra were told to? Not at all: as his Father was with him to teach the truth, so he stayed with the Church through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, to guarantee the Church always had the very Spirit of Truth (Jn 15:26, 16:13).
If the Church is guided by the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, who would dare say He speaks falsely through the Church? Who would say that the Holy Spirit, the very Spirit of Jesus, does not speak directly to the Church as guaranteed but has to be mediated through the Bible, as though there were more than one mediator between God and man? (1 Tim 2:5) This is why Paul later called the Church of the living God, “the pillar and foundation of truth” (1 Tim 3:15). I’m sure you’ll remember he also called the leaders of the Church “pillars” (Gal 2:9) – the pillars are the people, the Apostolic leadership, not the buildings as that link you posted. Who cares about buildings? The leadership of the Church are people authorised and empowered to teach God’s Word by the very power of God’s Spirit.
(Aside: something you’ll never EVER hear at one of your meetings, G_T, or read on one of your links, but that you can easily look up and verify for yourself: The name “Cephas” that Jesus gave to Simon (Jn 1:42 etc), the name we translate as Peter, means in Aramaic, “a foundation stone, the base of a pillar”. You can figure out what that means, I’m sure. Why are they withholding that knowledge from you?)
As the “pillar and foundation of truth”, the Apostolic leadership of the Church taught and preached the Word of God, directly authorised and empowered to do so. Preaching the Gospel took many forms, not just verbal but healing and exorcising, for the Gospel is the very “power of God for salvation” (Rom 1:16). ONE of the forms of the Gospel, long after Jesus’ time, when the Church had been exercising this authority for decades and new Apostles were being anointed (the second generation were figures such as Paul, Barnabas, James, Apollos: the third generation, Timothy, Silas etc: the fourth generation Linus, and so on) the New Testament was written to be “useful for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness”. Longer still, centuries later, the same Church canonised the Bible, officially declaring which books were the Word of God that there may be no mistake. And so we have our glorious Bible that we can refer to at any time and know we have the Word of God right there. But it is not the only way the Holy Spirit leads the Church in all truth, as though he could be shackled, nor is it the basis of our covenant with Christ, for that Covenant is, “written not in ink but by the Spirit of the Living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets that are hearts of flesh” (2 Cor 3:3). The indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
G_T, to say, “I believe in the Bible but not in the Church who wrote or canonised it”, is as ridiculous as saying, “I believe in this word of God but not that one”, or, “well, the Holy Spirit was right to say this but wrong to say that” (which I know you’d never say). It’s the same Spirit, whether teaching what is written in the Bible or passed on by word of mouth (2 Thess 2:15).
I could go on for days taking you through all Paul’s letters, showing how the tradition was handed down through the leaders, through the generations, but I’ll leave it there. I’ll finish by saying, I’ve used the Bible to demonstrate all this, because it is the only authority you’ll recognise, but I could as easily have demonstrated it from the writings of the Early Church. Were I to be debating with an Atheist who believed neither, I could also demonstrate from historical sources that the Church in Rome was teaching the gospels before a word of the New Testament was written (the “Chrestus” controversy etc) but admittedly that’s harder.
For me, authority is a straight line.
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ChurchAnd the Church teaches the Gospel – fresh and alive in every generation through the Holy Spirit – and wrote and canonised the Bible.
The alternative theory, that the Bible alone is our authority, is very much a circular argument – “I believe in the Bible because the Bible tells me to!” “God wants me to believe in the Bible! The Bible says so!” As well as being wretched logic and something you could as easily claim about any other text, it also goes against what Jesus said: “if I testify to myself, my testimony is meaningless” (Jn 5:31).
Anyway, I look forward to your response. Please tell me your own thoughts on the matter, and not just a bunch of links.
Anonymous42The end could be 1000s of years off.
I kinda doubt that, maybe 20 years, 50 tops, or sometime this week, who knows???
“Revelation 9:9 And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.”
The alternative theory, that the Bible alone is our authority, is very much a circular argument – “I believe in the Bible because the Bible tells me to!” “God wants me to believe in the Bible! The Bible says so!”
I said the bible is 100% true and not that the bible is an authority.
“I believe in the Bible because the Bible tells me to!” “God wants me to believe in the Bible! The Bible says so!”
Why do you picture me like that?
That is so not me.G_T, to say, “I believe in the Bible but not in the Church who wrote or canonised it”, is as ridiculous as saying, “I believe in this word of God but not that one”, or, “well, the Holy Spirit was right to say this but wrong to say that”
That is also not me.
Witnesses to Jesus
(John 5: 37-47)
And the Father who sent me has himself borne witness about me. His voice you have never heard, this form you have never seen, 38 and you do not have his word abiding in you, for you do not believe the one whom he has sent. 39 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and wit is they that bear witness about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life. 41 I do not receive glory from people. 42 But I know that you do not have the love of God within you. 43 I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not receive me. If another comes in his own name, you will receive him. 44 How can you believe, when you receive glory from one another and do not seek the glory that comes from the only God? 45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father. There is one who accuses you: Moses, on whom you have set your hope. 46 For if you believed Moses, you would believe me; for he wrote of me. 47 But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?”My authority line:
God/Jesus
1Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:
2“The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat.
8“But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers.
How Paul Became an Apostle ( Galatians 1:11-17)
11 My friends, I want you to know that no one made up the message I preach. 12 It wasn’t given or taught to me by some mere human. My message came directly from Jesus Christ when he appeared to me.
13 You know how I used to live as a Jew. I was cruel to God’s church and even tried to destroy it. 14 I was a much better Jew than anyone else my own age, and I obeyed every law that our ancestors had given us. 15 But even before I was born, God had chosen me. He was kind and had decided 16 to show me his Son, so that I would announce his message to the Gentiles. I didn’t talk this over with anyone. 17 I didn’t say a word, not even to the men in Jerusalem who were apostles before I was.To me, Pauls authority line looks the same as mine.
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