The Toxic gift that just keeps giving

[Anonymous 0]

A few minutes ago my five year old daughter said to me ‘I don’t want you to die daddy’. I explained that I probably will live for quite a while yet. I asked her if someone had been saying anything to her that was worrying her. She said ‘mummy told me (when I last dropped her off) that you were going to get cancer and die).Of course I again reassured her. I have got into the habit now of classifying these things with her as ‘silly things that mummy says sometimes’. She is now getting this so hopefully it will reduce her worry.
I remember when she was still 3. She was very articulate and she was saying the same thing (mummy saying me getting cancer).
I have an evil one boys. Read and thank f~~~ you don’t have one quite as bad if you are not unlucky.
I recorded in the diary as usual. Its hard to have the camera for these spontaneous events. But I really should work on it.

[The_Mad_PirateParticipant 1278]

Any chance you can buy a body. Camera with audio like the one cops use ?

"We didn't start the fire. It was always burning. Since the world's been turning" "A world that vilifies men only breeds a generation of men that feel no empathy towards women" “In a woman’s mind , there is really no such thing as a ‘we’. In her eyes, earth allways revolves around her, not the other way around. So thinking that your needs , aspirations or desires are valid enough to be persued, or even that you are entitled achive such goals, is like asking your boss for a pay rise in your very first day at the job.”

[GnosticParticipant 2491]

There is these body camera used by police that cost $25 per month.

http://www.vievu.com/plans/plans

If not you can shop in amazon for a body camera, but need more research.
https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Electronics-Body-Mounted-Video-Cameras/zgbs/electronics/10048714011

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[Anonymous 0]

The_Mad_Pirate wrote:

Any chance you can buy a body. Camera with audio like the one cops use ?

Hey Gnostic that’s not a silly idea at all. The fact is a covert wearable camera is probably the next best step. The camera I am currently using is smaller than a matchbox and I hide it in the garden near the gate. Its brilliant and almost impossible to see. It’s HD but sometimes the audio isn’t the best. I will look into a wearable one for changeover times that are not at my house. Thank you.

[experiencedParticipant]

That’s an extremely important question regarding the antibiotics.
I would listen to what the doctors on this site say!

(Pretty sure that intermittent administration of antibiotics kill all but the strongest each missed dosing so your daughter ends up with super-bred sickness.)

Definitely worth involving the authorities IMO.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[Anonymous 0]

experienced wrote:

That’s an extremely important question regarding the antibiotics.
I would listen to what the doctors on this site say!

Thanks ‘experience’. Yes I agree with you. I’ve worked out I can go into school and give her some on Wednesday too.

experienced wrote:

Definitely worth involving the authorities IMO.

The thing is here, I spent 50 grand and told the ‘authorities’ everything about her behaviour and all they did was rip the children away from me and give them to her. They did not care about my concerns. They took the only person who could protect the children away and placed them with the worst. When it was week about I could at least complete a weeks course of antibiotics.
She told the court ‘(child) was suffering anxiety from not being with her’) that’s all she had to say because ‘mummy knows best’. The fact I was detailing her abuse of me and the children meant nothing. This is how it is here in Australia at the moment. I feel I am alone fighting a massive beast (the system) Its is actually not the C~~~S fault. She is sick. The system is to blame.

[MemberParticipant 323]

Hello ParasitFree,

I don’t log in much anymore due to all the system crashes and other issues with the board. However, I wanted to reply to your thread.

You already know that you are fighting an uphill battle with the courts. It is just a fact that is hard to swallow. A lot of people will tell you to come at her full speed with lawyers etc. It has been my experience that unless you are in a father friendly court system (rare) this will only result in you spending gobs of money and spending less time with your kid. Every situation is different of course but this tends to be the them.

The things she has been telling your daughter about cancer and your house flooding away are all of course ways to undermine your relationship with your kid and make them anxious to be around you. Its another form of parental alienation. Unfortunately women have been using versions of this tactic for millennia in all other aspects of their life as well so they are Masters.

I would like to suggest some basic ideas that might help you.
– Every time your daughter brings up comments like getting sick from cancer talk with her about it in an age appropriate way and let her know that although everyone dies it is unlikely that you or her will get sick from chemicals in shampoo etc. Do whatever you can to make her at ease without directly bashing the ex. When she asks why Mom would say that just say that Mom worries about things too much and those things hardly ever happen. Try to appeal to her reason as best you can and then laugh it off. Smile and chuckle about it with her so that she knows you are not worried. Always make her think dad is going to protect her from her worries. You need to combat the garbage that the ex is putting in her head. I have known more than one woman who does this sort of thing to their kid…..putting fear in their head for no reason. Its sick and selfish.
– Keep documenting as you are but don’t expect to gain much from it. Also, do your best not to let the ex know you are doing it. It may take years of documentation before anything useful is gained by it. Also, the less combative you are with her the more likely she will let her guard down and say or do things that you can use at a later date. The key is to not use the documentation until it is the best time to use it. I know you want your kid with you now but its best to wait until you can do the most damage.
– Do you have issues with your ex at your home picking or dropping off the kid? If so install discreet security cameras for recording. This can be gold.
– Always be available to take the kid off her hands to stay overnight, babysit while the ex is on a date…..whatever it takes to get more time. What you want to happen is for her to think of you as the default babysitter so that YOU get to spend as much time as possible with the kid. Over time she will like to fight with you less (not entirely of course) and the kid will be with you more. This is a very important step. Why go to court and FIGHT over a little more time and blow thousands of dollars when you can convince her to willingly hand the kid over?

America is very similar to what you are describing. Court systems are a joke designed to make the father a criminal and to keep him out of the kids life. The women are out of control due to the pandering legal and social system. It is a f~~~ing joke….all of it. And it so very cruel to men who love their children. Recognize that you have a child and be grateful for that……do your best to spend as much time with the kid as possible…..speak to the ex as little as possible while still maintaining the façade of babysitter. Do not think that the next wife or girlfriend will be much better. Even a relatively good woman will f~~~ you when she realizes she has nothing to lose in a divorce or break up. Don’t get married again…..don’t have any more kids. It sucks but the whole marriage and kids concept is doomed unless serious changes take place. Be glad that you already have a kid and enjoy as much as possible.

Go your own way and enjoy life. Avoid the female drama and traps and the pain will fade away.

Good luck.

P.S

Forgot to mention help our your fellow man when you see him tangled up in a divorce etc. Just an encouraging word may be all it takes to help out. We need to stick together.

[experiencedParticipant]

The courts are lazy.
They will lock in future activity based on what they see in the short term.
So, until it’s all locked in, get every second you possibly can with the kids and document it in a log to enter as evidence and present to the judge.
That helped me anyway.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[Anonymous 0]

Member wrote:

I would like to suggest some basic ideas that might help you.

‘Member’ your contribution and others is the reason I started this thread. I’ve never actually felt so understood and supported than through this thread and others I have posted on here.
Virtually everything you suggested I have already implemented, but hearing it from you only strengthens my sole as I constantly battle this mummy monsters poison.
The court orders state that when my youngest turns 6, in about 23 months (and counting), then my access goes from 4 nights a fortnight up to a five night block. Then when she turns 8, it goes back to week about. So I have hope and can see no point rocking the boat. If I tried to call her out on her s~~~ in court now, she would just make me seem like the bad guy and perhaps even would lose the care-increase that’s coming (sounds crazy but its true) Your observations about data collection and the point of it all was spot on. I keep collecting even though I feel it is pointless. I can only hope that the love and guidance and balance I can offer my children will see them through this mess of a childhood. Thanks everyone. I’ve got a twisted story every week from this mummy monster.

[Anonymous 0]

I have a virtual library of toxic stories. Here’s another.
Not long ago I introduced to my daughter the concept of a ‘worry box’. I explained that wherever she was, if she had a worry box (in her head), she could send the worry to the worry box and it would fly there. She wanted a real worry box so she chose a box and in it we put a heap of different finger puppets and a lock of her hair.
I explained that when she sent a worry to the box from wherever she was, then the puppets would take care of the worries for her. I said that if she wanted to talk about her worries to me then she could and I would never tell anybody unless she wanted me to. She looked at me intently and asked whether so and so, and so and so (mummy monters friends) would find out “because they will tell mummy”. I said only she and I would know.
She asked to hide the worry box so that no one could find it. She hid it in my bedroom. She was excited about this box.
The next time she came she went straight into my room and got the box, opened it and threw the dolls out across the room and gave the box to her little sister. I was worried about this. I asked why? She said ‘its stupid, its not even real’. She was angry.
I got the box and contents and put it back together and said it was also my worry box. I used a doll to start talking about it with her. Her initial excitement about the box caused her to tell her mother. Mummy monster pretty much destroyed this for her.
Over a number of weeks we have reinstated the worry box but the magic was poisoned.

[experiencedParticipant]

You’re a better man than I.
I’d get a two by two by six foot box.

This is a c~~~ box.
This is where mommy belongs.

I’m only joking, had to let off a little steam thinking about that bitch.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[Anonymous 0]

Trust me ‘Experience’ when I say I know how you feel. I almost topped myself when the judge ripped our lives apart. I actually gained an insight into how a man can be driven to suicide and also how a man could be driven to murder. I actually felt that the only escape I had from this monster was one of those two options because no one in the system cared a f~~~ about me and my children.
When I read about some C~~~ getting murdered by her partner now, my first thought is what pain did she inflict and what else did she do to destroy that mans sanity enough for him to do it?
I would say this to any SJW C~~~ sympathiser – if I strapped you in a chair so you couldn’t walk away, and put a knife next to you and then started to burn you with a cigarette and said the only way for me to stop is by you killing me, how long before you took the knife and killed me? Would you eventually just cut me a bit hoping I’d get the message to stop? What if I just went and got stitched up and continued because the deal is that I wont stop until you kill me.
Would you kill me after the first layers of skin and muscle were charcoal? With enough time and cigarettes I’d reduce your bones to charcoal too. Would you suffer like a martyr or stop the pain by removing the source?
Psychopaths don’t stop.
A father can walk away and trust me I understand why they do probably run rather than walk. I was lucky enough for my children to have manoeuvred myself into the position I am in now with regards to my relationship and access to my children. I was pretty much their primary carer for 3 years of their life. Even though they wont remember this, I’d like to think that those emotional connections wont be destroyed considering the access I still have.
Also this mummy monster is like a retard in many ways so she makes bad decisions in many ways which can assist me. also she is restrained by government funding. And she has no family. If she was being supported by family and money I would now be in jail, dead or I would have run away. There would have been no other choices for me.

[MemberParticipant 323]

“‘Member’ your contribution and others is the reason I started this thread. I’ve never actually felt so understood and supported than through this thread and others I have posted on here.”

I am glad I could help you. I was amazed as well how many other people had went though similar things that I did. I never felt as alone as I did dealing with the courts, lawyers, teachers, cops etc. Almost everyone would fight vigorously to defend a woman they did not know who did horrible things……ME?…..they always assumed the worst and I was always on the defensive trying to refute some lie the ex made. I worried all the time about making a mistake and not seeing my child again. I am not out of the woods but things are better with time (although it can change very quickly for the worst sometimes).

I 100% understand what you said about strapping someone in a chair and burning them with a cigarette until they snapped from the strain. I was under great pressure and it effected my whole life negatively. I am sure if I was older I would have had a heart attack or stroke from it. To make things worse I was dealing with an ex that was physically dangerous as well (not sure if you had to deal with that or not). She would try her best ( and still does at times ) to incite physical fighting between us however she could….threats of not seeing the kid, trying to get me fired from my job, you name it she tried it. All I could do is try not to give her what she wanted and loose it. I told people this when I tried to explain it….” Picture yourself having to deal with a woman on a regular basis who was unstable and very vindictive…..every time you were around her you had to have your hands tied behind your back. She was given a large board to hit you with whenever she felt upset with you for any reason. A person doesn’t have to be very large to do a lot of damage with that board and you are not allowed to EVER fight back……she can scream, cuss, threaten you, threaten your child, and no one will help you EVER. If you ever fight back you will go to jail, never see your child again, will be labeled an abuser, will lose your job and all future jobs because of these lies etc. Now do you understand just a bit more about dealing with these people?”.

Like you I used to hear stories of a woman claiming abuse and think ” Wow if that’s true what a crappy person that did that to her”. Now I think ” Bulls~~~….9 times out of 10 even if there was some kind of fight she probably drove him to it somehow and even then she probably threw the first swing”. Most of them are f~~~ing liars of the worst sort. I feel sorry for all the men that have went through this.

I have actually asked around in my area to see if there are any support groups for men that went through things like this. I have found none. Of course most people thought it was a f~~~ing joke and had no sympathy whatsoever when I asked around about it.

I think about the future a lot. I am sad to think of my kid growing up because of all the good times together…..but at the same time I look forward to the day when the ex doesn’t have the leverage over me anymore. Perhaps it will be a great weight lifted from my shoulders and life will feel good again. I sure hope so.

I am so disgusted that this s~~~ happens in this country and others like yours on a regular basis. How do we make people understand what is going on? I know I didn’t have a clue this s~~~ existed until I dealt with it firsthand. I lost my faith in a lot of things after this nightmare.

Look at the boards when you need advice….look at other sites as well ( a lot out there nowadays ), try to find other divorced dads in your area and talk things over. It does help when you realize other people are living this nightmare as well. Don’t let the bitch win…..keep the kid in your life at all costs even if it means giving up other things in your life. Nothing will ever replace a child.

[FunInTheSunParticipant 8289]

No need to apologize for the rant. I’m sorry that you have to put up with that woman. It’s hard for me to believe how far some people will go with their vindictiveness.

"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)

[Anonymous 0]

Member wrote:

I have actually asked around in my area to see if there are any support groups for men that went through things like this. I have found none.

In Australia we have this thing called the ‘Mens Help Line’. Its a telephone counselling service. I called up one bad day when I felt I just needed support and understanding. The very first thing the female operator said to me when I asked how could ‘Mens line’ help me, was “Mens line is here to help men deal with their anger”.
I politely ended the call.

Member wrote:

I am so disgusted that this s~~~ happens in this country and others like yours on a regular basis. How do we make people understand what is going on?

I thankfully found MGTOW. MGTOW website was/is to me a ‘safe room’ with lots of corridors leading off into different knowledge areas.

Member wrote:

I lost my faith in a lot of things after this nightmare.

I hear you there too.
The thing that almost finished me was that for years I was getting my energy drained by this parasitic c~~~. When the final and most important battle started, as in all the legal s~~~, I was exhausted before it began.
I was already like a WW1 soldier in the trench with shell-shock and PTSD-in fact forget the ‘post’, how can it be ‘post’ when you are in the middle of it and still fighting? Its just plain TSD!
I was feeling spent and done. I knew I had used too much of my energy resources. Still I managed to stand up and charge that c~~~ with f~~~ knows what. Its left me now fearful and with an added problem- a fear of the court system and the place that should actually be offering me sanctuary and support.

[experiencedParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Also this mummy monster is like a retard in many ways so she makes bad decisions in many ways which can assist me. also she is restrained by government funding. And she has no family. If she was being supported by family and money I would now be in jail, dead or I would have run away. There would have been no other choices for me.

Perhaps “key” later down the road is for her to identify your kids as a liability from her selfish point of view. As they approach eighteen,this’ll be easy, but if she starts considering everything, she might plan to ‘use’ them in her elderly years. My guess is it won’t be a problem, but it never hurts to be prepared for it. Also prepare them on avoiding abusive people as growing up with this tends to misalign their senses.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[Anonymous 0]

experienced wrote:

Perhaps “key” later down the road is for her to identify your kids as a liability from her selfish point of view.

Yes I did consider this for a while as this mummy monster is very very lazy and selfish. The thing is I have accepted that there is a demented energy within her that is untiring. When she first withheld my kids, It was immediately from the point I ended the relationship. I was lucky that she had no foolish slaves at her beckoning. Not so lucky the second time she withheld, which was when she had gathered the right kind of people around her to entrance, so they could basically look after the children and feed her warped ego. Oh the stories I could tell here about her ‘flying monkeys’. As I said before its a wonder I’m still here. She would rather leave the children with others or even alone than give me an extra minute-literally. For example, my last Birthday was when there was still interim court orders which did not take my spending time with the children on my birthday. As it was, I had to return them at 9am every second Monday. My birthday was a Monday and officially I needed to return them at 9am on my birthday. I asked her if I could have my children still for the day. I suggested 5pm-no-4pm-no-3pm-no-2pm-no.
I texted a final, but not abusive “F~~~ YOU, I’ll see you at 4pm.”
She threatened the cops. I stood my ground and returned them at 4pm but not before I was receiving emails and phone calls from my lawyer. Of course she had told her lawyer that I was refusing to return the children and didn’t know when I was going to. The text thread showed otherwise. So the lawyers had another feed. I got to spend my birthday with my children. They were both unwell. Had been the whole weekend with a cold. So I spent my birthday making them as comfy and happy as possible.
She would have called the cops and they would have said they weren’t interested so in a way she may have learnt that she can do it too and there is nothing the cops will do. One has to be careful to not accidently train them in more evil ways.

experienced wrote:

As they approach eighteen,this’ll be easy, but if she starts considering everything, she might plan to ‘use’ them in her elderly years.

If I manage to get through the next four years and have the week about back again without nastys I will be relieved. At time my brain works overtime, but it has to. Here in Australia once the children turn 12 they can basically ‘vote with their feet’. In other words it doesn’t matter what a judge decides, the kid just runs back to the preferred parent and the cops may come and return the kid but once they have done that a coupdl of times, they aren’t interested. So basically the responsibility of choosing the best place for a 12 year old child can be made by a 12 year old child. Appalling! I know my 2 children will be more mature than the mummy monster before the age of 12. Ideally it would be great if the children are happy living 50/50 with both of us. But my biggest fear is that mummy monster will be the bigger child and bribe the children with enticements such as ‘Daddy makes you go to school?, stay with me and lets have some fun today’. I’m sure you get my drift. I know of a similar mummy monster and her 15 year old has never been to secondary school. The mother blames the kid. I’ve always blamed her but never to her face. The kids a basket case now.
In the way the best outcome will probably be that my children work her out and then choose me, and of course learn to get over the resentment that realising what a f~~~-up mummy is.
Sorry for the rant. If anyone here is interested in the outcome of the medication problem I asked earlier, I called a medical help line. The woman would not be explicit but guided me saying ‘do what you can’. She had to say this about three times before I got it.
So I told her just about the medication issue and after the call I started thinking- I wonder if I had been a woman and had called and gave her the exact same details but reversed, would she have asked ‘do you have any other concerns’. Also I found myself talking in a manner that was ‘asking to be believed’. The shell shock is still strong.

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