The need for "echo chambers"

[Anonymous 3]

This topic is about something I have been thinking for a long time, and was aligned with Snake’s post about MGTOW being an “echo chamber”.

I agree, and I think its necessary for this “echo chamber” to exist.

I believe that we are subjected to social programming. Much like in the matrix, we are inserted in a machine that requires our acceptance of the program. Resist the program and you are cast out of the matrix.

That is why I think ghosting is required. If one shows not to conform to the norm, then it is targeted for persecution.

When a person sees the reality outside the conditioning, then they will suddenly be alone. The first thing anyone says to himself is: there must be something wrong with me!

Its amazing how in every introduction post we can find this phrase.

And almost every time that person will take a blue pill, forget the reality they had a momentary glimpse of, and return to the oficial party line. Until such day that it is to painful, or to obvious, to keep avoiding.

The lucky ones find others that have seen the same things and confirm for the first time that we are not crazy!

So, I cannot overstate the importance of us being here and restating our findings. This is an active countermeasure to social conditioning.

Anyone that is alone, surrounded by the constant bombardment of mind control messages, is prone to doubt himself.

There is nothing wrong with an echo of my thoughts, quite the contrary. It just confirms that what I see is real. I do need the same messages in different voices. This is OUR OWN program that we are making here.

It is really necessary to have a daily dose of red pills.

[The Batman 2020Participant 2112]

Thank you for summing it up so eloquently. I definitely need my daily dose of red pills. Too bad it seems I’m the only one taking them in my sphere of existence.

Your 20's are for learning, your 30's are for earning.

[WallyParticipant]

Perhaps it is our duty to pay it forward in a manner to be an echo chamber to the men that find their way here. Coming up on one year for me, I found this site the night I was at my lowest and the gentlemen were here for me.

Do we talk about certain subjects namely women and the dangers of relationships too much? Maybe, but better too much than not enough and some gentleman falls prey to women and marriage.

"what a waste of a life, to marry, give up your freedom, just for the hope of not dying alone. Don't get married Son."

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22521]

There is a different between an “echo chamber” and discussing ideas.

An “echo chamber” is a group of sycophants agreeing with each other. While discussing ideas leads to constructive discussion both for and against ideas.

[Anonymous 54]

Repetition is key to learning new skills skills skills…skills…….skills……

[SOLI2DEParticipant 746]

Thank you for this. A few days ago I was triggered by a piece of blue pill residue in my system that had me temporarily think it was ok to go back to the plantation. Thank heavens my situation allowed me to wake up but I was so close, so close. Thank MGTOW

“Do not give your strength to women, nor your ways to that which destroys kings.” -Proverbs 31:3-

[Anonymous 3]

Faust For Science wrote:

There is a different between an “echo chamber” and discussing ideas.

An “echo chamber” is a group of sycophants agreeing with each other. While discussing ideas leads to constructive discussion both for and against ideas.

Words and concepts are tricky things. One word can say a lot, but it can say wrong things because its meaning is different for other people.

My meaning is that we talk essentially about red pill knowledge. THAT is the base of this site in my view.

Each one may have a different interpretation of that knowledge, and that may lead to a discussion. That discussion can be constructive or just a bunch of name calling guys taking sides. That is a human thing that we see everywhere.

One of us may say “women are evil”, and others may disagree saying “its their nature”. However the base remains, its: women’s behavior.

In fact almost everything nowadays is an “echo chamber”.
Go to youtube and you will be surprised by the number of MGTOW videos proposed “just for you”. That is because google filters things based on your past preferences, you see only what relates to you.
Any google search is different for different people. The facebook content is also individually generated.

And nobody complains about it. In fact everyone likes it!

What they fail to understand is the inherent threat of this. One day these companies will not try to customize what you see to please you, but to make you think differently.

These are very powerful things. They play with us at conscious and subconscious level.

I prefer to have it under my control. I prefer to program myself.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22521]

Anonymous wrote:

One word can say a lot, but it can say wrong things because its meaning is different for other people.

Not just what word is said. How the word is pronounced. What words are stressed when stating a sentence.

Anonymous wrote:

In fact almost everything nowadays is an “echo chamber”.

I believe you mistake “catering” with “echo chamber”. An “echo chamber” requires multiple people communicating with each other with complete agreement in the ideas stated among the group.

[Anonymous 3]

The Batman 2020 wrote:

Thank you for summing it up so eloquently. I definitely need my daily dose of red pills. Too bad it seems I’m the only one taking them in my sphere of existence.

THIS is the key.

Most likely we are all alone where we live. If it was not for this site I would feel like something is wrong with me. That is how it has been throughout history, there is always social pressure for conformity, external and internal.

I see people saying MGTOW is going to be mainstream. I think it will never happen. Several million man will never understand MGTOW, and the powers would do something if there is the risk of this happening.

Most likely we are alone were we live, and very few would agree with us. Many would actively fight us for what we say.

Sure, people may envy a man that is happy. But they will fear him if he messes with the status quo.

[bobphiloParticipant 1772]

There is definitely a need for men who are beginning to realize that there are other men with similar life experiences and views.
Society has the view that men must pay for a woman on dates every time
Society believes that men must spend 3 months salary on an engagement ring to win a woman’s love.
Society has ruled that in fashion women have the only beautiful bodies and must be displayed with skimpy clothes while men’s body are ugly and disgusting and must be covered with long and baggy clothes, preferably expensive. The list can go on.
While I may not agree with the political philosophy of some of my brothers here, I am in solidarity with the fact that this is the only place where men’s issues are addressed.
We need a place to hear like-minded men help us to drown out the bulls~~~ that traditional society imposes on us.

[Anonymous 42]

I wouldn’t call it an echo chamber cause everyone is speaking their minds and stating opposing opinions. What I will call it is a house of mirrors, we all look the same because we’re covered head to toe with feminism’s s~~~, we look like this:

[Anonymous 3]

Faust For Science wrote:

I believe you mistake “catering” with “echo chamber”. An “echo chamber” requires multiple people communicating with each other with complete agreement in the ideas stated among the group.

I see your point of view. You are right to distinguish a corporation trying to personalize their service from a discussion board where people validate their own point of view. And these discussion boards may become the “echo chamber” of your definition.

In fact I went so far as posting about this: The internt clown fest

But what I am trying to address here is the “social programming” issue. Under this view it does not matter if you are in a proper discussion board. It is even better if you are not, because your programming becomes subliminar.

Most members here become weary of mainstream social networks, social media, and even news or magazines. Why? Because they are constantly feeding us with blue pill ideas, that we know are wrong. THIS is the programming.

There is no discussion in mass media. You have no say in how a movie will portrait things. We are subjected to what is know as the “vox populi“, the voice of the people. Except that “the people” have no voice in the matter, only a handful of “illuminated” that are given the podium.

The idea in this post is that MGTOW is the only place of full acceptance of the red pill knowledge. In a mainstream forum the level of acceptation of these ideas is very low to none. In fact, we might take a lot of aggravation for it.

Any sane person would start doubt itself if the only thing he receives is the message “you are wrong”. But it is all around us. Therefore we need the MGTOW forum as an immunization against blue pill programming.

You dont want to call it “echo chamber” for your mind and thoughts? Fine. We can call it something else. Only it’s function is important, not the names it is called.

[TaxGuyParticipant]

Wally wrote:

Perhaps it is our duty to pay it forward in a manner to be an echo chamber to the men that find their way here. Coming up on one year for me, I found this site the night I was at my lowest and the gentlemen were here for me.

Do we talk about certain subjects namely women and the dangers of relationships too much? Maybe, but better too much than not enough and some gentleman falls prey to women and marriage.

Thank you for saying what I was trying to say in the other topic. I find myself echoing things I’ve already said to someone who most likely hasn’t heard it before. That definition of echo chamber I totally understand. But as you said, I feel the need to pay it forward.

Order the good wine

[HitmanParticipant]

La Cosa Nostra,
this thing of ours..
we are the fortunate who escaped the shackles of the mind.
once freed it’s IMPERATIVE to have new input sources..
notes get compared and we learn.
we are all certainly not saying the same thing,like an “echo”..
look at me..
if this was “the modern monk’s club . com ” ,
i wouldn’t be a member.
yet i share here and listen to men who CHOOSE to refrain from sex.
they have my UTMOST RESPECT .
but the “my own way ” is just that ..my way..
this site is the last bastion of freedom i know of.
sometimes i NEED to hear the same thing a few times.
digesting knowledge in a busy world isn’t always a one time thing.

[experiencedParticipant]

We’re supposed to seek support and support others through society…
BULLS~~~!

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[ChuddoxParticipant 585]

I’m not sure I agree with the “echo chamber” comparison. MGTOW do not (generally) strive for external validation, they provide insight and ideas for other struggling to get away from the need for such validation.

In the Echo chamber, there is one right thought and all others are not welcome. The unwelcome is enforced by the keepers of the chamber (admins) and reported by the membersheep. I seem to remember that even in my brief time Keymaster and I have had more than few disagreements already. I couldn’t liken it to an echo chamber simply because there a few core principles we (mostly) all agree on.

“Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing.” - Robert E. Howard

[The Batman 2020Participant 2112]

SOLI2DE wrote:

Thank you for this. A few days ago I was triggered by a piece of blue pill residue in my system that had me temporarily think it was ok to go back to the plantation. Thank heavens my situation allowed me to wake up but I was so close, so close. Thank MGTOW

I had a blue pill moment not too long ago when I was thinking of texting a coworker and asking her out. Glad I didn’t, that feeling passed by the time I got home and cracked a beer. Just thinking about the time that would be wasted on her and the things I would have to change… no thanks.

Your 20's are for learning, your 30's are for earning.

[AttonParticipant]

In news media an echo chamber is a metaphorical description of a situation in which information, ideas, or beliefs are amplified or reinforced by transmission and repetition inside an “enclosed” system, where different or competing views are censored, disallowed, or otherwise underrepresented.

This is how wikipedia defines and echo chamber, I would say to a very limited extent this is the truth. I think criticism rather than being censored is instead showcased, which does sort of ruin the echo chamber.

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[GrumpyParticipant]

When ever I hear or read that term (Echo Chamber), for some reason a piece of my mind automatically shuts down and start playing this song.

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