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What do you think the future if work is going to be?
I am trying to plan for the back half of my life and I’d like your input.
I look at technology.
For example, self driving cars are awesome, no more DUIs. But what about all the, cabbies, truck drivers, bus drivers, that are going to be unemployed? How will they eat?
If drones can fly combat missions how long before a remote drone pilot can fly a 747?. How will the pilots eat?
Same for shipping captains.
30 years ago there were a lot of secretaries. Now with desktop PC’s
And the list goes on.
What do you think?
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Anonymous3I posted in another thread. There won’t be work.
Right now 95% of jobs are pure pointless makework, but the economy is collapsing because the oligarchs don’t want to spread around the profits from the makework.
There are very, very few producers in this world. And even then it’s just taking advantage of natural resources, which once you have a robot setup to work on, there is really no need for a human to handle it.
I will be dead probably before this happens, but it’s extremely obvious to me that either 95% of the population is killed off and we start over, or the oligarchs get wiped out and humanity works together to advance into the next era. Which would eventually lead to leaving this planet.
If there isn’t work, how will we eat?
I’m not a Luditite, and cost savings are good, etc. But….It concerns me so I am trying to think of things to do today to set me up for a less dismal future.
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When NASA was asking for a budget raise they brought up both the over-population of our planet and how robots and software are gradually replacing everyone’s work. They said the only realistic goal is to move to space with colonies and space stations. They said there’s more than enough resources in the asteroid belt and by skimming Jupiter’s atmosphere to support the human race for millions of years. They weren’t taken seriously of course.
If there isn’t work, how will we eat?
I’m not a Luditite, and cost savings are good, etc. But….It concerns me so I am trying to think of things to do today to set me up for a less dismal future.
Just raise taxes on corporations, and give unconditional basic income to people. For starters.
That isn’t going to stop people from being productive: most people will still wish to do something, mostly things they really like.
Next June, 5, in Switzerland there’s a referendum about the adoption unconditional basic income
http://bien.ch/en/node/1052
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I think the idea of 95% unemployment is a little over the top. Robots won’t be able to any job that requires actually thinking…basically STEM jobs that involve any sort of planning ahead, researching, coming up with new ideas, dealing with unforeseen situations, etc. Yeah maybe they’ll replace some burger flippers and taxi drivers…but at the same time its going to create new jobs in the robotics and maintenance fields. Even “robots” in manufacturing are pretty much just good for one repetitive task, and they have to be watched by people. Yeah they’re more efficient than people but its not like we’re going to have self replicating, self improving robots to serve man kinds every desire or anything close to it in the span of time that any of us will be alive.
Just raise taxes on corporations, and give unconditional basic income to people. For starters.
Just curious…what happens when those corporations save f~~~ off and move to another country? Its not like we haven’t already been setting a precedent here for the last couple decades of that happening and we haven’t even raised corporate taxes yet lol.
That isn’t going to stop people from being productive: most people will still wish to do something, mostly things they really like.
I’d disagree…my perception of most people is if they had money to do whatever most of them would resort to activities like drinking, video games, recreational drug use, or pursuit of other totally non-productive activities…like going hiking, riding bikes, kayaking, etc that although fun don’t really produce anything.
Next June, 5, in Switzerland there’s a referendum about the adoption unconditional basic income
We can’t even afford social security for what, 1/4 of our population here in the states? We’d need 96% income tax rates to afford a similar program for everyone…at which point…why work…which is where the whole concept of a UBI completely breaks down.
According the surveys, less than 2% people would stop to work while having unconditional basic income: 2% people leaving their jobs is not even enough to fully compensate the unemployement rate that is actually 3.7%: basically the unemployement rate will pass from 3.7% to 1.7%.
I’m not really putting much faith into surveys on an obviously biased site like that, but I can tell you this…if 2% of the population quit their job and live off the system instead…that is not a net gain like you seem to think it is.
At best it would be a totally lateral move as you’d have just as many able bodied working age adults and just as many jobs before and after the change…but again…that is obviously a heavily biased site. If we got a UBI implemented I’d fully expect a crapload of near retirement people to say f~~~ it, I got enough now, I can go early, and the baby boomers are a disproportionate chunk of our population. I’d also expect a ton of low wage earners to say f~~~ it as well as if the UBI was an amount of money decent enough to live off, it would be more than they’d make for working. There are plenty of people that are content just scraping by because that is all they’ve ever done anyhow. In the end I think it would just create a death spiral as taxes would go up on the people who continue to work, and the more taxes went up, the more people would just decide f~~~ it, I’m done to…its not worth it.
Check the book, or at least the debate regard the book, “The End of Work”:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_End_of_Work
What is left now is creativity, and producing things in an artistic manner people want. On a meta-level, if you can produce systems that keep extracting money from society, and you own it, you can go somewhere. But, we are now faced with the Share Economy, and other things related.
Prince happened to say something also also the impact of the Internet on musicians:
http://www.cnet.com/news/prince-says-he-was-right-about-the-internet-being-over/
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What do you think?
The machine master race will send the meat bags into high temperature fires. This would be funny if it wasn’t actually really quite realistic. A computer with many times the power of all the computers on earth isn’t some kind of impossible feat, once an AI becomes around as smart as a child then all control is lost.
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Jobs will definitely disappear. I would hope to see some kind of collaborating movement which would adopt policies such as piracy and working together.
Even if the rich corporations would leave the country, people could steal their resources via piracy. There would still be a lot of know-how of technology from the unemployed people.
But will people work together given the fact how divided USA is today?
One possible scenario I believe could be that we are trying to create unneccessary low-paying jobs and pretend that end of the work is not happening.
Nice thread..
I think those robots mean work for technicians, of course that won´t fill the gaps they created. But since society will have a lot more spare time a lot of other fields not yet existing will open up and create jobs, possibly in entertainment. I think there´s going to be a lot more freelancers creating their own products or services.
I´m worried more about what are we going to eat or drink and not how we are going to pay for it.
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I think there would emem\rge from technoogy a branch that will create more jobs. Although I’m not quite sure how something like that will play out. My speculation is somewhat like Mr. Phoenix: working together to advance into an era where Earth wouldn’t be the only planet with life. But just think…we wuld need so much advancements in science and technology to even draw a basic plan for survivng off-site.
The future of work is bleak; I think it could be saved if the major corporations agree to find a solution to this future problem. The question remains: would they care enough to do that?
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
I posted in another thread. There won’t be work.
Right now 95% of jobs are pure pointless makework, but the economy is collapsing because the oligarchs don’t want to spread around the profits from the makework.
There are very, very few producers in this world. And even then it’s just taking advantage of natural resources, which once you have a robot setup to work on, there is really no need for a human to handle it.
I will be dead probably before this happens, but it’s extremely obvious to me that either 95% of the population is killed off and we start over, or the oligarchs get wiped out and humanity works together to advance into the next era. Which would eventually lead to leaving this planet.
That has always been my one dream and hope for humanity, to see the importance of space colonization. It’s the only way we’d survive for another 1000 years, I’ve felt for a very long time now that it should be on the top of our priority list when it comes to research. I see almost all of the problems of today as primitive nonsense when I think about space colonization, the blue pill sea needs to wake up.
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Anonymous3I think there would emem\rge from technoogy a branch that will create more jobs. Although I’m not quite sure how something like that will play out. My speculation is somewhat like Mr. Phoenix: working together to advance into an era where Earth wouldn’t be the only planet with life. But just think…we wuld need so much advancements in science and technology to even draw a basic plan for survivng off-site.
The future of work is bleak; I think it could be saved if the major corporations agree to find a solution to this future problem. The question remains: would they care enough to do that?
Well you have to ask why do you even want a job in the first place?
The answer is because you need food, water and shelter.
The question is what did people do before the rise of corporate oligarchs?
The answer is they just owned their natural resources outright.
Then you come to the question why can’t you have that access?
And the answer is because the oligarchs don’t want you to, because they like you being their slaves. As survivor points out, all the ruling classes and aristocrats around the world are heavily rooted from the warrior classes. Knights and other soldiers. The reason for this is because they were completely obsessed with owning other people, and they did so with physical force. Over time that became more sophisticated, to adding on mental force and having the population enslave themselves with invisible shackles.
On the occasion that a few men woke up and fought back, they are either put down ruthlessly or paid off. This is why the term “terrorist” is used and why there are “public benefits” for the lower classes: these two groups are uninterested in being the patsy, and one will never compromise that ideal whereas the other will take the payoff and get out of the way.
The entire Western financial system is a sham that can’t mathematically ever work. It only works with the exploitation of third world countries and the mindless Western middle class buying into things and droning away.
We in America are accomplices in the evil acts perpetrated by our government and military. We are no better than the Germans with the Nazis. We just refuse to admit it because of a combination of stupidity and self centeredness. Those that we are taught to hate and insult in the most vulgar of terms are fighting for their own freedom, and would have been perfectly content if they had just been left alone.
But as Machiavelli states, the nobility always want to oppress others. And as Orwell shows in 1984, the government is an excellent means of inspiring hatred against the enemy of the day. When I was young I remember vaguely a time the country hated the Japanese. Afterwards it was mostly the Soviets. Then for awhile the Germans. Then it became the blacks. Then the Hispanics. Now the Arabs. It amuses me greatly, that just like from 1984, the average person apparently does not have the attention span to see this in action. They just immediately forget the enemy. And it’s been many enemies.
There was a time when they used to make movies praising the “brave Muslim Mujahadeen” that worked with American troops to topple the evil Soviets. I think one of the Rambo movies was like that. Now the country is set to hate Muslims and has vicious terms for them, even on this site. Haha, hilarious if you’re old and aware like I am. Unfortunately even though I wrote this, for the vast majority of you, it still won’t trigger a lightbulb in your heads, and you’ll insist “it’s different this time”.
Getting back to the work and resources topic. Aristotle insisted that work was degrading to a man’s spirit, and the only real wealth was ownership of natural resources. I think he thought only women and slaves should be working, and men should mostly be free to pursue knowledge. I quite agree with him on these counts.
It seems we’ve as a society mostly gone to the Platonic ideal. It’s thousands of years old and has had slight variations in the modern era, but the base principles remain the same. I’m not altogether that fond of Plato.
What do you think the future if work is going to be?
It’s rather bleak for a substantial part of humanity because we’re fast approaching a point where cognitive stratification is going make a substantial part of humanity unnecessary.
When it comes to raw intelligence and the ability to learn complex skills, there have always been haves and have-nots. That’s never been much of an issue because a lot of stoop labor and other simple jobs existed for the have-nots.
That’s all changing now. For the first time in human history, the number of of simple manual labor jobs is dwindling and we can envision a point when none will exist.
It’s not just the fact that “meat puppet” jobs the have-nots used to fill have gone to Mexico and China because, as automation advances, those jobs will disappear there too. It’s not just the fact that “meat puppet” jobs the have-nots used to fill which haven’t gone overseas are being filled with illegal immigrant slaves because, as automation advances, those jobs too will disappear no matter how cheaply illegals can perform them.
It’s the fact that more and more jobs require a raw intelligence and ability to learn complex skills which a substantial portion of humanity does not have and can never develop.
Sending the lower half of the IQ bell curve to college for free isn’t going to improve their employment chances and an assembly line “meat puppet” cannot be retrained as an IT professional. The man on the assembly line replaced by the robot most likely isn’t smart enough to repair that robot no matter what training he receives, because, if he was smart enough, he wouldn’t have been on that assembly line in the first place.
All this is not to say there won’t be a need for plumbers, carpenters, welders, and the myriad types of other skilled manual laborers. The proviso, of course, is “skills” and many people will never be able to develop any professional skills at a marketable level.
The future is not going to be pretty. There will be more and more people for whom the economy and society as a whole have no actual use for. Just what those people will do is unknown but, if you look at the US African-American community with it’s large numbers of permanently unemployed and indeed unemployable people, you’ll have a pretty good idea what might happen.
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OldBill,
I am afraid you and others are right.
Our future is fairly bleak.
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we will always need human hands to care for the sick, fight crime and build housing.
even in an over-automated world.
the future is what you decide,
so decide now to roll with the punches and be able to adapt to new scenarios as they arise.
prepare for emergencies in advance and stay healthy.
be optimistic and trust in yourself to handle whatever you need to.we will always need human hands to care for the sick, fight crime and build housing.
even in an over-automated world.Those are the skilled manual labor jobs I mentioned.
A substantial portion of humanity cannot learn the skills those positions require.
There’s a great difference, for example, between being a janitor in a hospital and someone who manages/supervises the automated janitorial machinery in a hospital. Not only is there a skills gap which many cannot cross, there will be far fewer job openings for latter than the former.
There isn’t going to be enough “meat puppet” work for all the people who can never be anything but a “meat puppet”.
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Phoenix thank you. Sometime’s its just good to hear another man speak his mind and better yet is to realise that one is not alone in their thinking. So again thank you.
We might differ in that you appear to look on with amusement while I seem to be boiling away with rage.
I guess seeing things for what they are is wasted on me since I cant even find peace now let alone a way to change things.
Interesting thread
Makes you think with Europe being deliberately set up for some form of mass unrest, maybe a “cull” is on the way through the use of another world war
Bill. We don’t have to let the eugenics values of the elite color our thinking. We don’t have to measure all humans according to the needs of internationalist fascist population control freaks.
I’m not saying I approve or applaud these trends and their logical outcome anymore than I approve or applaud cancer in children. However, much like cancer in children, cognitive stratification is a fact.
It’s reality and as MGTOWs we should never shrink from reality.
Technology has been reducing the number of stoop labor jobs for centuries now. The ranks of the cognitive have-nots – those without the intelligence and/or ability to learn complex skills – has been growing as the skills “hurdle” rises. Given our increasing speed of technological development, a tipping point will occur in our lifetimes as it has already occurred in the inner cities and Appalachia.
The unemployment and under-employment rate in those regions is well over 80% as the vast majority of the inhabitants live on public assistance because they lack the intelligence and skills to provide the labor the economy needs. Currently we’re able to afford the bread and circuses, plus policing, those regions require but what will happen when the number of those regions grow?
I don’t like what has happened, what is happening, and what will happen but I’m not stick my head in the sand either. Unless we deliberately adopt luddite policies for certain aspects of our economy, there isn’t going to be any work for the bottom half of the bell curve.
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