The friend zone.

[AFTParticipant 2722]

Stargazer wrote:

What gets me is how willing you guys are to credit women for trapping you and so ready to reject responsibility for walking into said trap.

Ummm, didn’t I say

AFT wrote:

Like all things in life it is up to the man to work this out and protect himself.

Is that not taking responsibility?

Stargazer wrote:

Women aren’t that clever. They’re not trapping us, we’re trying to trap THEM.

Really, there’s a whole heap of child support and divorce victims that would beg to differ, care to guess which gender? I’ve never tried to trap a woman, merely share a mutual benefit, the Blue Pill indoctrination f~~~s with men’s ability to stand up for their own self interest and the friend zone is just another example of a trap.

I’ve told women I just want to be friends when I didn’t want to f~~~ them, and poof they disappeared, like David Copperfield.

Stargazer wrote:

But guys in the so-called “friend zone” just f~~~ed up and got themselves snagged by their own noose.

No, they’ve been conditioned, lied to and doing what they incorrectly believe they should.

Stargazer wrote:

Women benefit from thirsty men who refuse to take “no” for an answer but it’s the men who put themselves in the position to be fleeced for their resources in the hopes of getting some meat hole action.

Exactly, Blue pill men just don’t get it and get used, that’s why I said it for THEM to work this out and do what works.

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

[Anonymous 3]

I will chip in my opinion, for what is worth, since I am still married and trying to get out. I have no experience in the dating field.

Women have no friends in a male sense. Men are with other man for companionship. We support our friends.

Women use people. They use their female and male pseudo-friends.
Women need attention like food. If none of the more important friends in their list is not available, they will call you.

In a pure and simple statement: we are ALWAYS USED by women. And they WILL NEVER REPAY if they can get away with it.

We men are, unfortunately, wired to provide, instinctively driven by sex and male protectiveness.

So, we think that providing them with some utility they might provide us with sex. And if we get to close, we might even care for what happens to them.

And they will provide nothing, unless somehow they “feel attracted”, which is again a self-serving interest.

So, friends with benefits is actually NOT friendship, but rather a polygamous arrangement.

Just last night I dodged sex with the wife. I used with her the same techniques she used with me for 20 years. What I didn’t say was that I will never have sex with her again.
Some might think its stupid not take advantage of the opportunity. She is more attractive than ever, “Pump and dump”…

But what I realized after much suffering is that there are 2 areas in sex: the physical and the mental.

In a strict physical sense sex with a woman is equivalent to masturbation.

The mental level of sex is VERY COMPLEX. Let me show it with some scenarios:

1- you have a girlfriend that likes you, she is beautiful, sexy and wants to have sex with you.

2- your beautiful wife is willing to give you obligational sex once a week.

3- you pay for an escort for sex. She is sexy but you know she is not into it.

4- you are ISIS jihadist and you have a beautiful sex slave. She will have sex with you or you will beat her. She looks at you in fear and trembles in your presence.

See where I am getting here? The maximum sexual pleasure comes from people WANTING the other, and not USING or FEARING. Unless we have some sociopathic tendency…

Once we realize this we simply cannot endure manipulative behaviour. It takes the whole pleasure out of it. I will rather masturbate, it actually feels better. And I regained my integrity.

Stargazer wrote:

That’s all you, buddy. Quit trying to blame it on women and own it. Be a man… take the L and move the f~~~ on. It’s thirsty, lying schmucks like you who actually keep these succubi alive. For every gold digging whore swinging a pick out there, there’s a pack of mules carrying her s~~~ around in the hopes of some day getting a sugar cube. That’s you. Stop it, ass.

This should be written in stone and placed at the gates of the MGTOW temple.

[Anonymous 6]

Anonymous wrote:

I just like to write the truth, and if the truth hurts, and you want to avoid reading it, then avoid my topics.

No, you wrote an opinion like every other man, while the self-reaffirming statement that everything you say is the truth, no matter if you situate it (as a conclusion to a counterpoint), in no way makes your statement more valid.

You clearly have an issue with guys who bang chicks, and don’t give a f~~~ what the using, cheating, c~~~s situation is at home, and more perhaps this is personal for you, perhaps have had some Chad f~~~ your girl and now you’re p~~~ed at every guy that f~~~s other guys girls.
I too have been cheated on years ago, I used it as a lesson learned, and would never have a committed-relationship with a girl again. I see what I had learned a positive in my life.

You’re the one that said “many of them probably have boyfriends and husbands” I replied ya they do..and I don’t give a s~~~…that’s right, I don’t give a s~~~..if guys wanna live a bluepill mangina life..then they will finish last, and if its not me it will be a million other guys f~~~ing these sluts..always has been, always will be, unless you go MGTOW.

[Elric GreenstoneParticipant 1637]

Wandering off from the last few messages back and forth.

I don’t think men and women can be friends. I’ve recently, after a long grand tour of the world’s religions, returned to the faith of my childhood . . . the orthodox observers of which have, to my understanding, either the lowest divorce rate on Earth or one of the lowest (perhaps 1+% of all marriages).

Men and women who aren’t first-link related (parent/child, sibling, husband/wife) aren’t even allowed to be in the same room together with the door closed.

The interactions between men and women are seen as so sexual in nature, at a basic, basic level, that interactions between them must be carefully controlled. Men and women don’t pray together, don’t ‘hang out’ together, and aren’t ‘friends’. They simply aren’t. They celebrate after a marriage separately. To the extent that women work, they have professional relationships only with males, are never in closed offices with them, and have closeness strongly discouraged. Women and men do mingle after religious services, but such interactions are highly regulated. One does not touch, ever, women past a first-link relationship. *Any* touch of a woman past this relationship is seen as dangerous. Medical and security examinations are highly regulated and actual touch greatly restricted. Doctors always, always have female nurses present, and always, always wear gloves to prevent skin-to-skin contact.

Marriages continue to be generally arranged, and dating as practiced in the West is almost unheard of.

That said, within one’s gender, people are very physically expressive, warm, and there are deep, loyal friendships. In fully observant groups, loneliness is far, far rarer than in Western society, and the community is *all*. I have vaguely considered emigration back to my religion’s homeland for these reasons, although the standard of living is not as good as in the States.

Upon returning to an orthodox observance, I am frankly *delighted*. Given the urban nature and mixed population of my house of religious worship, there are women at the study of our holy books in a mixed group, and frankly I generally find them annoying. It’s so freeing to be in a single-gender group that when I’m forced back into a coeducational setting, it’s quite jarring.

No, I don’t think women and men can be friends. I’ve never had close female friends that at some level or another I wasn’t trying to nail, and the only women in my life who weren’t even vaguely sexual, ever, were those who had so thoroughly friend-zoned me that I wasn’t even on their long list as a potential mate. I’ve had female ‘friends’ for decades who, frankly, were backups and potential mates at different levels, and my understanding is that the reverse has also been true.

So much of what the West believes is insane, and is the mark of a declining society. Male and female friendships, imo, is one of these idiot concepts.

"You can either love women, or understand women. You can't do both. Because once you understand women, you realize that there is really nothing to love."

[Anonymous 0]

Just going to chip my 2 cents in here, I do not let myself become classified by women or fall into their games. (Well, I try at least, I have no idea how they actually see me, but I do not care. I know I serve only my purpose not theirs.) Mostly in part, because I do not do free stuff for them or help without reward, preferably money. I do not try to be friends with them, because from experience I know better. I have no want to be friends with women, I interact with them at work as my role dictates and no more. In public out side the job I do not have much to do with them. Maybe a brief conversation. I do not treat them with unpleasantness but I do try not to give them indication that I recognize them as women. I think of talking to women as talking to an inanimate object, and try to give them the impression of such. My attempt at stealthing. I do not involve women in my personal life. I have worked too hard for what little I have just to have it ruined and taken from me. I do not go out of my way to screw women, it is not worth the effort to me. I got s~~~ to do!

[Deadly RaverParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

I am not rich @truthseeker82, but I’m younger and a decent looking guy, so ya it helps, like I said…I would never be just a friend with a girl if there was not chance of sex, but if I’m having sex with them now and then, I’ll have some interesting conversation with them as well (i.e. back and forth advice, convo, etc). For me, going my own way, is about still enjoying the company of women, at arms length, now that after years, I have a fully developed sense of MGTOW, and essentially their jedi powers are useless against me…like Darth Vador, it is to late for them to bring me back from the dark side.

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For women, MGTOW is the darkside. Ironically, I need to order a new lightsaber as I say this. plasma swords. They look cool………….until you break the bulb.

Learn from the past, Control the present, and you will know the Future.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Nero wrote:

How pathetic it must be.

It’s worse than that. Say there’s another man you know. Whenever you’re around him he’s always asking to borrow money he’ll never pay back, always asking you to buy him things, always asking for free rides. You never get anything back from him at all. You even know better than to call him to help you move a couch.

You wouldn’t stick by a user like this for long, would you? Nobody would.

But that’s exactly what blue pill chumps in the so called friend zone are doing. They willingly hang around and serve users like that simply because the users have a pussy.

They wouldn’t put up with that s~~~ from a man, but they’ll willingly suck it up from a woman.

That’s beyond pathetic.

Anonymous wrote:

You are part of the hypergamy’s system.

Not really.

Hypergamy is all about giving women everything they want. Getting laid on your own terms is all about denying women what they want. As such the blue pill orbiters are hypergamy in action. As are the PUAs and their ilk.

When a man walks the f~~~ away from women, is it his fault the women come chasing after? Taking advantage of female nature, making use of female nature, is not the same thing as serving female nature – quite the opposite, really.

[Masculine_ManParticipant 2735]

Keymaster wrote:

Dolla_DD wrote:

the “friend zone”, in this way, I have found it to be a rewarding place to be.

To a man, friend means FRIEND.

To a woman “friend” means “i will never have sex with you”…. and nothing else. Every man learns this the first time a woman says “I want us to be really good FRIENDS and dont’ want to ruin what we have!!!”

…. but she doesn’t even know when your birthday is – or ever asked your middle name.
That’s what being “friends” with a woman is like.

Birthdays and middle names don’t mean jack of course, but then she shouldn’t throw that word “friend” around like a frisbee. It’s so insincere it’s ridiculous.

A friend to a woman is a dude who is nothing more than a utility. Replace friends with ” you to be just a utility” anytime a woman wants to be just anything.

I don’t like you like that.
What do you mean?
I want you to be just a Utility.

How it should be handled

I don’t like you like that.
Neither do I, this is awkward…
Wait what?
You thought I was interested in you? Weird…

If it costs you your peace of mind, then it is too expensive.

[Anonymous 1]

sidecar wrote:

Math wrote:

You are part of the hypergamy’s system.

Not really.

Hypergamy is all about giving women everything they want. Getting laid on your own terms is all about denying women what they want. As such the blue pill orbiters are hypergamy in action. As are the PUAs and their ilk.

When a man walks the f~~~ away from women, is it his fault the women come chasing after? Taking advantage of female nature, making use of female nature, is not the same thing as serving female nature – quite the opposite, really.

And do you think that they want Chad to f~~~ their pussies or not? but they want more.

As for Getting laid on your own terms is all about denying women what they want. I have met some Chads, and the ones who seemed like denying women were the ones who pumped and dumped, no dates, no emotional distress, no drinks, NOTHING. Just pump and dump, and women HATE IT, because that is the true denial for them.

@Dolla_DD I have never been cheated on, at least not that I know, I do not have issues with guys banging chicks(nature). I just follow some rules, and the moment I know that a girl has a husband/boyfriend I am out. It is not respect towards the poor cuck, everyone is responsible for his life choices and for ending up in a bad spot, it is respect towards myself. A woman that is cucking her companion with me is most likely doing the same with other men, she is for sure a manipulative whore, that uses the husband as beta bux, and you, me or anyone else as alpha fux. For a one night stand? great! as FWB, f~~~ no.

You are free to deny what I say, I have seen enough to state that women live the best out of our society, and feast on men, either be them chads or else.

[Anonymous 6]

Anonymous wrote:

You are free to deny what I say, I have seen enough to state that women live the best out of our society, and feast on men, either be them chads or else.

Agreed, they probably do, and have laws, and intrinsic systematized protection that furthers such standard of living.

I will continue to use them for their holes..although, I understand, as dangerous as those holes may be!!

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Anonymous wrote:

And do you think that they want Chad to f~~~ their pussies or not? but they want more.

What they want is what they think every other woman wants. Moreover, what they REALLY want is to get what they think every other woman wants while those other women don’t get it but know she has it.

In other words, what they want from Chad is to be the ONLY woman he’s f~~~ing. And Chads instinctively know better than to give them that, or they wouldn’t be Chads.

Hypergamy is women exchanging sex and reproduction, or, more usually, the mere empty promise of sex and reproduction, for a man’s wealth, labor, and status. If a man doesn’t have a greater perceived wealth or status than she has, she sees no need to make any such exchange or empty promise. That is hypergamy.

But you can flip that script right around on them. The moment you refuse that s~~~ty deal, the moment you reject her, the moment you let her know you can live without her pussy, is the moment she starts throwing it at you, because she knows she can’t live without a man’s wealth, labor, and status, and most women have never bothered to develop anything else to offer you. Whether you choose to sample what she’s now freely offering is up to you.

So no, it’s not hypergamy. It’s pretty much the opposite of hypergamy.

Just pump and dump, and women HATE IT, because that is the true denial for them.

Exactly. And they keep coming back for more. That’s my point.

[Anonymous 6]

sidecar wrote:

Whether you choose to sample what she’s now freely offering is up to you.

lol..it may like sampling the poison apple..I still stand by using these sluts like a underground nuclear cum storage site, and forgetting about them when I’m done.

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