The changes of the LAW that we need

[MrMeParticipant 651]

I don’t teach you anything when I say: the law favors women in many ways.

Of course alot of non-written laws also favors them such as : ladies first, free drinks for the ladies, the long dead chivalry code still being used by feminists for … equality purpose maybe? Who knows if they understand logic but anyways, thats another story.

The reason I start this topic is to focus mainly on the actual laws that benefit one sex over the other and how we can fix them into making it balanced. I know we come from different countries, it becomes difficult to universaly assess the question but still, an interesting subject to discuss.

I am not a laywer but am curious in knowing more about the laws that protect us, the laws that plays against us and the laws that would need a good old paper shredding treatment with a complete makeover with the help of a 20 years experienced Kim kardashian esthetic surgeon.

Canadian Divorce: “The value of any property that you acquired during your marriage and that you still have when you separate, must be divided equally between spouses. Property that was brought into your marriage is yours to keep, but any increases in the value of this property during the duration of marriage must be shared.”

Does that mean I get to keep half of my future ex-wife’s dress, makeup, jewelry, expensive lotions and s~~~ like that? How does that even work? How the hell do they decide on how to split all what you own?

Canadian Divorce: ”When you separate, both of you may want to stay in the family home. If you cannot agree on who should stay in the family home, you can use lawyers, a mediator or an arbitrator to help you decide, or you may have to go to court to have the judge decide. An order or agreement for exclusive possession allows one spouse to use it, but not the other. It may be that, after the separation, neither of you will be able to afford to stay in your home. If you have children, the person who has custody of the children will most often be the one who stays in the family home with the children. This helps children adjust to their new family situation in a place and neighbourhood that they already know.”

We all know what that means, judge will favor women for the custody of the children AND than guess who keep the house?

What solutions could we bring to the actual LAW. I am not only talking about divorce and mariage but also any law that favor women over us that would need a good spanking.

[Solo MAN’S WisdomParticipant]

F~~~ any imposed law. Men understand Natural Law. Think the Laws of Physics/Chemistry. The Laws of Health. The Laws of Exertion, etc. Only women want to use the power of the State to manipulate and coerce behavior to fit their ever changing agenda.

When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.

[MrMeParticipant 651]

Solo MAN’S Wisdom wrote:

F~~~ any imposed law. Men understand Natural Law. Think the Laws of Physics/Chemistry. The Laws of Health. The Laws of Exertion, etc. Only women want to use the power of the State to manipulate and coerce behavior to fit their ever changing agenda.

I understand your point but lets be realistic here: our society would fall into anarchy if it wouldn’t be for the laws.

[Anonymous 0]

MrMe wrote:

The reason I start this topic is to focus mainly on the actual law that benefits one sex over the other and how we can fix them into making it balanced. I know we come from different countries, it becomes difficult to universaly assess the question but still an interesting subject to discuss.

Discuss all you want by means. However the point of MGTOW is not to change the law or system. The point is to walk away from it all and travel your own path away from the gynocentric world, focusing on your self improvment and independence. That being said your best solution is to research your politicians, and their decisions in office on your key issues,then vote accordingly to your beliefs, if that is how your government works(Saying that because I do not know from where you hail). MGTOW is not a mens rights group. Yes the laws do usually favor women and it is political trend that will not end for sometime if at all. Best do your own thing and walk away from it. Turning your back on it all sends quite the message. But if you must fight it there are groups for that, however this is not one of them. Going your own way brings a zen like peace into your life if you will let it.

If you avoid women in your personal life I.E, marriage, dating, co-habitation, most of those laws can do nothing to you.

[Anonymous 0]

Perhaps this is a better question for the MRA’s. MGTOW men have left the building and are no longer concerned with changing anything. The social contract that included marriage is broken. We have opted out and will longer participate. When and if feminism/women place some value on a relationship with men then perhaps society will change. Until then, I think you may get more responses at the MRA site. Thank you

[MrMeParticipant 651]

Thanks for the clarifications.

Cheers.

[Anonymous 42]

F~~~ the LAW! Modify your behavior to avoid all brushes with uncertainty and ambiguity in this manslaughter of unnatural law, order, and co called equity!

The law is f~~~ed, erase them all in the sovereignty of MGTOW, it’s the only realm where the law is f~~~ed and not the man!

[Solo MAN’S WisdomParticipant]

MrMe wrote:

I understand your point but lets be realistic here: our society would fall into anarchy if it wouldn’t be for the laws.

I would submit it’s already there. We need to be self governed, and while I concede your point that many [?? most] cannot self govern, that doesn’t mean we cannot.

When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.

[MrMeParticipant 651]

I disagree with many of our laws. Walking away from them laws is a good solution since they will no longer apply to me.

[AwakenedParticipant 35204]

Anonymous wrote:

Perhaps this is a better question for the MRA’s. MGTOW men have left the building and are no longer concerned with changing anything. The social contract that included marriage is broken. We have opted out and will longer participate. When and if feminism/women place some value on a relationship with men then perhaps society will change. Until then, I think you may get more responses at the MRA site. Thank you

I Couldn’t agree more. You are in the wrong place my friend to find interest and discourse from most in regards to legislation, but feel free to stay and learn about many other topics.

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[Anonymous 0]

MrMe wrote:

I disagree with many of our laws. Walking away from them laws is a good solution since they will no longer apply to me.

Exactly! I suggest some further reading on the site. There are many good threads here. Never stop re-enforcing the points to yourself, keeps you sharp!

[narwhalParticipant]

MrMe wrote:

I disagree with many of our laws. Walking away from them laws is a good solution since they will no longer apply to me.

Any other solution requires persuasion, either through logic or force of some sort. Unfortunately, laws are not subject to logic or persuasion because they are made by politicians, who are persuaded by vote. Since women vote and make up 50+% of the vote and have significant sway over the vote of men as well, politicians are going act according to women’s wishes…which are never logical.

The only ‘force’ we have is not to play. If there every comes a time when politicians and women decide to listen to a solution, then it’s worth the time to think of an actual solution. Right now, it’s not worth the effort.

Ok. Then do it.

[Anonymous 25]

The laws (for the most part) are gender neutral.

Laws have to be interpreted by individuals and judges. It’s supposed the be an “objective” test. But human experience is subjective, so at best it’s an objective test ‘judged subjectively’.

The subjectiveness is ‘gynocentric subjectiveness’.

The legal system and legal professionals (most of them) lack the intelligence to wake up to this realisation yet. That’s one of the first things that needs to happen.

Then there needs to be a return to the common law tradition. the common law tradition is that cases have to be decided alike and the judge has to reason by analogy from the previous cases. That curtails the judge’s discretion and personal opinions and acts as a safeguard that like cases are treat alike. If judges tried handing out the pussy pass, the male would argue for a pussy pass too under the common law system and it would make it very difficult for judges to get round it.

feminists deliberately undid this and introduced statutes that say stuff like “the best interests of the child”. As we can see, that becomes the best interests of the mother, because of gynocentrism.

Until the legal system wakes up to the dangers of gynocentrism and returns to the common law tradition, nothing is going to change.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Solo MAN’S Wisdom wrote:

F~~~ any imposed law. Men understand Natural Law.

Yes SolWiz is touching on Absolute Truth vs. Relative Truth.

They call it a “legal system” now because it’ not actually a justice system anymore. The legal system is steeped in relative truth…. where certain things are “legal” but that doesn’t make them RIGHT.

EXAMPLES:

• paternity fraud
• sperm-jacking
• a woman “forgetting” to take the pill and trapping some sucker into fatherhood against his own will and better judgement
• what assets your cheating wife is entitled to.
• Fabricated false accusations for a bigger payout for the c~~~.

etc…

F~~~ that noise and f~~~ trying to change laws or expecting women to have any moral decency. The solution is never give a woman the keys to your place, and never sign a marriage contract under any goddam circumstances.

Done. MGTOW for the win.

Never let a woman into your life. No meetings. No conferences. No “couples counseling”. No picketing to change laws. No negotiating with terrorists. Not even a discussion. MGTOW are not screwing around and mean business.

Everyone thinks women always get “the last word”. But guess again.

MrMe wrote:

What solutions could we bring to the actual LAW.

This is why MGTOW is different from the MRAs who will negotiate AFTER the fact about “better laws for men” and trying to un-skew the unfair anti-male bias in the divorce and anti-family court system. But as a MGTOW, you own that s~~~ and got the f~~~ed-up system by the b~~~~.

I could have easily been married 5 times if I wanted to and if I had pursued it. Instead, I figuratively bent over a few divorce attorneys, and f~~~ed them instead – just by stopping a few weddings, and saving a few men’s lives along the way.

It ruined the bride’s weekend but who gives a f~~~ about her?
I cared more about the groom than she ever would have.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Solo MAN’S WisdomParticipant]

Keymaster wrote:

They call it a “legal system” now because it’ not actually a justice system anymore. The legal system is steeped in relative truth…. where certain things are “legal” but that doesn’t make them RIGHT.

Well said.

When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

I know your going to hate me for this buy I consider myself as someone who has gone his own way and cares deeply about laws that affect me.

As we leave the plantation the Jim Crow laws are fast approaching. Things like a man tax or locking more men behind bars.

Don’t forget a tenet of feminism that they want to reduce men to 10% of the population, living in concentration camps and there for manual labor, no college educated work (and we see women make up over 65% or college graduates and the numbers are going up…men’s response…none.

How is their plan working out? With Hitlary in charge we will find out.

Anonymous wrote:

Until the legal system wakes up to the dangers of gynocentrism and returns to the common law tradition, nothing is going to change

How do men retain any legal rights if no men get involved in affecting change in laws?

One thing the true feminists are p~~~ed off about is that now their are mens rights groups sending members to the meetings and the women are saying…now that men have shown up to the show, they want to win fairness in family law.

There is a war against men and while it’s best to avoid the the conflict and go your own way, at least raising consciousness by discussing the matter makes a difference.

I understand that a lot of you want to avoid contact with the outside world altogether there are others who have gone their own way that feel that fighting for the rights of men is just as rewarding as trout fishing.

Fighting about who is more going their own way is fruitless.

I will fight for the rights of men and boys because it is right and fair and someday may be necessary to save a site like this.

I’ve been there before, crackdowns do happen, especially when you become popular.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[narwhalParticipant]

Puffin Stuff wrote:

How do men retain any legal rights if no men get involved in affecting change in laws?

Are we interested in retaining or changing? I think the point to me is, as of today, men are ok. Ok in the sense that for almost every trap women and the law have put out there, we can chose not to play and avoid the trap. We have the right to say no.

In that regard, I would say that we don’t have an overwhelming need to change laws, because virtually all the laws have an ‘if’ condition associated with it. The future your talking about is a gigantic step, removing the right to say No. No ‘if’s, just certainty of penalty. When and if that happens, I think we see MGTOW split into those that go complete ghost and those that are in open rebellion.

In a sense though, we are negotiating for change. A crucial part of any negotiation is to walk away. I can’t predict the future, but I would bet that a future where women come to enough sense to return rights back to men happens before we reach open rebellion.

Ok. Then do it.

[PhantomParticipant 3328]

Puffin Stuff wrote:

Fighting about who is more going their own way is fruitless.

Perhaps my reading comprehension skills are lacking here, but I didn’t see any of that in this thread. Different views and perspectives with men sharing their reasons & reasoning, is what I was able to muster, gather & understand.

In short, it is impossible for us men to argue about it anyway…
Even if we all were yelling in all caps and bold letters about it.

Why? How can I proclaim that? Because each one of us is an individual, and each one of us is going his own way.

At best, we each could argue with ourselves, if we have reservations about the road we each have decided to travel on, or more to the point, if we are double-minded about our stand we have each made in regards to marriage, etc.

As for the discussion, (debate)? Some of us want to ghost, some want to fight, and some have already spent the majority of their lives fighting tooth & nail, just to get their life back…

Regardless of which road each of us travel, I say more power to ya. I tip my hat for those that want to fight for laws, etc. & I tip my hat for those that say f~~~ that & just want to have some peace and focus on themselves.

So, neither do I see us men fighting, nor it being fruitless, regardless of each man’s decision & conviction. But, if The whole thread went over my head, and I missed it…then I know I am about to learn & grow more.

TLDR: I don’t see that…just because some of us want to zig & other’s want to zag.

[Anonymous 25]

Puffin Stuff wrote:

How do men retain any legal rights if no men get involved in affecting change in laws?

Flood the legal profession with mgtows. Get them into positions in the judiciary. Do it stealthily.

Then start hitting them with private prosecutions and all kinds of litigation. A few thousand skilled mgtow lawyers across westernised countries will cause them havoc

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

Laws need changing. Incarceration rates need changing and so does child custody laws. Men who want 50/50 physical custody should be able to get it as a default unless they are proven to be a danger to your children. Not following the parenting plan is guilty of child abuse.

Adjudication of rape accusations on college campuses. Young men are being railroaded, with loss of due process, onto a don’t go rapist list for the mere accusation of some one with a vagina.

Laws about freedom of speech on the internet. The first salvo has been taken with tweets being damed emotionally abuse. Any anti-feminist talk in Sweden is looked down upon and being eye’d to be outlawed. Russia outlawed porn.

How long till they come for us. Us spreading the word to the world that men are useless tools of society and should avoid the plantation at all costs. Avoid any contact with females. Not just feminists, we say that they are all like that.

How long until they come for us?

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

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