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FrankOne wrote:
It’s interesting, but it should be noted, many regard the prophesies to be ‘vaticinium ex eventu’, a prediction after the outcome. The topic of WHEN the Book of Daniel was written, is debated. The more widely accepted scholarly position, is 2nd century BC composition, not 6th century BC.
bulls~~~…watch first!
I would also add, Daniel resides in the 3rd and final section of the Tanakh (Hebrew Bible) and NOT in the Nevi’im (Prophets), likely because it appeared after the cannon had closed. Jews and scholars regard it as an apocalypse, rather than a prophetic book.
As for the first word of the Bible. Since this is such a convincing argument, why then, have not more Jews converted to Messianic Judaism and accepted Jesus? Oh, I forgot, Jesus didn’t meet all HIS necessary prophetic requirements spelled out in the Hebrew Bible. And so, we have a Christianity, that is comprised of Gentiles.
There are no ‘real’ prophecies. What, exactly, do I mean by that? Well, take Nostra Dumbass (Nostradamus), for instance. There is no prediction, of the year and dates wars and battles will occur, the numbers killed, etc. The same is true for the Bible. And the Oracle of Delphi. Or a prediction such as ‘Man will land on the moon on this date and this time, after orbiting it. The distance traversed will be xxx miles and the journey will take yyyy days’ or ‘The population of the earth with be x.y billion in year z’. Why? Because if a prophet could predict the future, they’d gamble or play the stock market, as that, would be even more lucrative than selling horoscopes and prophesies.
FrankOne wrote:
It’s interesting, but it should be noted, many regard the prophesies to be ‘vaticinium ex eventu’, a prediction after the outcome. The topic of WHEN the Book of Daniel was written, is debated. The more widely accepted scholarly position, is 2nd century BC composition, not 6th century BC.
bulls~~~…watch first!
I would also add, Daniel resides in the 3rd and final section of the Tanakh (Hebrew Bible) and NOT in the Nevi’im (Prophets), likely because it appeared after the cannon had closed. Jews and scholars regard it as an apocalypse, rather than a prophetic book.
As for the first word of the Bible. Since this is such a convincing argument, why then, have not more Jews converted to Messianic Judaism and accepted Jesus? Oh, I forgot, Jesus didn’t meet all HIS necessary prophetic requirements spelled out in the Hebrew Bible. And so, we have a Christianity, that is comprised of Gentiles.
There are no ‘real’ prophecies. What, exactly, do I mean by that? Well, take Nostra Dumbass (Nostradamus), for instance. There is no prediction, of the year and dates wars and battles will occur, the numbers killed, etc. The same is true for the Bible. And the Oracle of Delphi. Or a prediction such as ‘Man will land on the moon on this date and this time, after orbiting it. The distance traversed will be xxx miles and the journey will take yyyy days’ or ‘The population of the earth with be x.y billion in year z’. Why? Because if a prophet could predict the future, they’d gamble or play the stock market, as that, would be even more lucrative than selling horoscopes and prophesies.
stop spamming. get out of here.
There are no ‘real’ prophecies.
lol… only 2200+ fullfilled ones and 0 that have fullfilled differently or not at all.
Whether you just dont know s~~~ about prophecies or you are watering down the discussions.
I spectate how you are spamming the topics “work”, “money-system” and “religion” with useless stuff and bulls~~~ on a high linguistic levelI think you are a troll, paid to water down discussions. Same with John Doe.
Who else would write 100000 words a day that noone reads?I dont read your texts, i got a partly photographic memory, thats how i “read” them.
GT: A couple miles down the street from me, is a large Jewish community. There are storefronts in which this community gathers and studies the Torah. These people know more about the Old Testament than any other group, other than Academics without Faith. Since all of the Messianic prophecies have been met, why haven’t they converted?
Let’s get off discussion of vague prophecies and stick to something really, really simple. This is a diagram of the Cosmos according to the Old Testament. Does it represent physical reality?
Where’s the dome that held the water up, whose windows open when it rains? Are you a flat-Earther, GT?
Since all of the Messianic prophecies have been met, why haven’t they converted?
People know smoking is bad, yet they do it anyhow. The fundamental core principle of this argument is that a prophecy is true or false depending on whether a person follows it. Assuming a prophecy is true, does not require people to follow it.
You are under some delusion that people only operate rationally. And if that is the case, and we are illogical as you claim we are, then by default you are also illogical (to use logic against the illogical is illogical).Obviously you know scripture well, and would then have to explain that why according to scripture, have people witnessed Jesus’s miracles and some believed him and some did not believe him. Obviously there is a right or wrong behavior behind this, either he should be believed or shouldn’t be believed.
This is a diagram of the Cosmos according to the Old Testament. Does it represent physical reality?
Neither does heliocentricism, as Aztec tribes followed a more accurate astronomical method. Frankone what do you know about physical reality either? The truth is in regards to the physical world, we know more than before but in the scheme of things so little. One cannot argue for or against scripture from a viewpoint that cannot even claim to know everything.
Where’s the dome that held the water up, whose windows open when it rains?
Metaphors are a universal language for reality. A scripture, or even prophecy, by its very nature has to be metaphorical because:
-metaphors are the means to express unconscious truths
-metaphors consolidate large amounts of information in simple thoughts/pictures
-literalism is fundamentally inefficient:
+ as it requires to much information to get a point across
+requires a hierarchial form of knowledge where ones status is determined by how much they know,
+etc.Where is the behavioral requirement that all truth be read literally, because last time I checked, you claim their is know right or wrong behavior.
So, Abrahamic God can’t even get basic cosmology right, BUT can deliver accurate prophecies and morality?
Why not just predict in the Bible, Koran, Book of the Dead, Vedas (or whichever book is the True Revealed Text), when Halley’s comet will be appearing, when some major solar flares will be occuring, the number of large planetary bodies, their masses, and how the Sun produces light? Or provide the equations governing relativity, and electromagnetism that govern God’s special creation? That would most certainly, be more convincing, than these prophecies!
As for why Jews don’t convert, I’ll leave it to you to look up what the requirements are for the Messiah, spelled out in the Hebrew Bible, and decide for yourself.
As for how people choose religion, there are a couple possibilities:
1.) People act rationally, study the religions, and choose the one with the True Prophecies, or reject them all. Since one religion isn’t dominating, this clearly isn’t happening. Either none of them have a preponderance of true prophecies, or people don’t choose religions rationally.
2.) God has provided an alternate means to choose the right religion and attain salvation, and being a just God, has provided it to all — divine inspiration. In this case, again, one religion will predominate.
3.) People adopt their religion based on that of their parents — they are indoctrinated into it. And God will punish them for having the wrong one, because She didn’t provide divine inspiration or rational reasons to believe in the One True Faith.
I have the feeling Im only feeding the troll.
Frank wants you to not watch the videos! I say it how it is.
Jesus DID fulfill ALL Prophecies about him. All 365!.
Chances are 1 to 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
We had this already not long ago, Frank.
I dont loose the feeling you are onto something. You care a bit too much about these topics for a non believer. Also I dont find a plausible reason, why someone that has informed himself so well like you claim to be… does all these mistakes you are making. Its just unbelievable if this is the result of your studies.This all just doesnt add up.It sucks that others get sucked into reading your texts and get misinformed by you.
To me you are a pain in the ass, because you are only casting doubt here with lies that only well informed people in this matter can debunk easily.
I really dont enjoy doing it, but I will do it once again, tomorrow!.German Truther, while we all appreciate new insights and information, we also appreciate CIVIL discussion. It seems all you are doing is spouting rude “my way or the highway” “to hell with you” type comments towards some very polite and well-meaning people who have a reputation for being helpful and supportive. Why are you going to such great lengths to bust everyone’s b~~~~ for not agreeing with you?
Are you drunk posting or are you always this nasty towards people who are only trying to add something to the discussion? Maybe you should create your own, independent “forum”, where no one else is allowed to add to whatever it is that you decree. I read and contribute to these forums and this website because I usually don’t have some control-freak dictating what I’m allowed to say. You are trying to control the “discussion” like a feminist bitch.I would also add, Daniel resides in the 3rd and final section of the Tanakh (Hebrew Bible) and NOT in the Nevi’im (Prophets), likely because it appeared after the cannon had closed. Jews and scholars regard it as an apocalypse, rather than a prophetic book.
Look into the bible, Daniels book is in there, isnt it? Enough said.
King Nebuchadnezzar had a very realistic dazing dream, which was unsettling him.
He called all seers and wise men of the court and ordered that they should tell him what the dream was about and then explain its meaning to him.
They said that its impossible to know what the King was dreaming. After that Nebukatnezah told Daniel to tell him what the dream was. Daniel asked for a bit time and Daniel prayed to god to tell him its meaning. God did so….and Daniel went back to the Nebukatnezah the next day and told him what he saw.
King Nebuchadnezzar saw a statue, with a golden head, a silver upper body, bronze hips, iron legs and feet mixed of iron and clay. And at then end of a dream a huge stone came down from heaven and destroyed the statue.
Nebuchadnezzar then said ” Yep, exactly dude”
Daniel then told the interpretation of the dream.
The Head of the Statue represents the King himself and the Babylonian empire, and the rest of the statue represents the world empires coming after his, in this particular order.The Video i posted talks about this dream only, obviously and without any doubt..
Daniel Unsealed- Worlds History response to biblical prophetyLater on, in the Book of Daniel…Daniel himself had an own dream, a different one, which has nothing to do with the dream of Nebuchadnezzar That dream is about the end time apocalypse. That dream is about to fulfill.
Now look the title of this video again.No apocalypse found in this video….not at all.This video talks about history and that you can see that this dream has fulfilled.
I know alot of people dont want to know about the future. Well, the video doesnt talk about future it talks about history from our perspective.
Some MGTOWs said that they wanted to believe, but only with proof.
Well here it is in the video i posted.
The video is also a very good history lesson.Jews and scholars regard it as an apocalypse, rather than a prophetic book.
so you say that jews say that…? umm ok who knows…and what does it matter even?
The apocalyptic dream is a small part of the book. At least, it would be plain dumb to label his book as an apocalyptic book. Hes not the only prophet to write about the end days, their books are labeled as apocalyptic books too just because 1% of what they wrote talks about the apocalypse?
As for the first word of the Bible. Since this is such a convincing argument, why then, have not more Jews converted to Messianic Judaism and accepted Jesus? Oh, I forgot, Jesus didn’t meet all HIS necessary prophetic requirements spelled out in the Hebrew Bible. And so, we have a Christianity, that is comprised of Gentiles.
Proof that you are bringing this up, even though you got debunked already.
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FrankOne wrote:
Jesus does NOT fulfill Biblical prophecies about the Messiah. He was not descended from David on his father’s side, among other problems.German Truther wrote:
Jesus is descended from David via his mother Mary, who was of the tribe of Yehuda and thus physically descended from David. Also it wouldnt make sence if Jesus is descended from David via Joseph, because Mary is a virgin.and what would the other problems be?
There were over 360 prophecies foretold about the coming Jewish Messiah – hundreds of years before Jesus was born in Bethlehem. Jesus fulfilled all 365 of these prophecies. Of these 360+ prophecies, there are 109 that only Jesus (Yeshua) could have fulfilled. See complete list of 365 Messianic Prophecies
list: http://www.bibleprobe.com/300great.htm
There are no ‘real’ prophecies. What, exactly, do I mean by that? Well, take Nostra Dumbass (Nostradamus), for instance. There is no prediction, of the year and dates wars and battles will occur, the numbers killed, etc. The same is true for the Bible. And the Oracle of Delphi. Or a prediction such as ‘Man will land on the moon on this date and this time, after orbiting it. The distance traversed will be xxx miles and the journey will take yyyy days’ or ‘The population of the earth with be x.y billion in year z’. Why?
Nostradamus was a seer and not a prophet and also he didnt claim to be instructed by god.
In fact he did make prediction about events and said the year when it will happen too.
He was often close, but not correct.Ecclesiastes 10:14
and fools multiply words. No one knows what is coming— who can tell someone else what will happen after them?God knows the future. There is a reason why he just doesnt give us a calendar with future events and exact dates. Also Daniel didnt know the exact future himself. But if you watched the video you could understand that he still foretold the future and it all became reality.
Because if a prophet could predict the future, they’d gamble or play the stock market, as that, would be even more lucrative than selling horoscopes and prophesies.
Prophets predict the future, but they dont get this kind of information.
Why? because god obviously doesnt want it to be that way.German Truther, while we all appreciate new insights and information, we also appreciate CIVIL discussion. It seems all you are doing is spouting rude “my way or the highway” “to hell with you” type comments towards some very polite and well-meaning people who have a reputation for being helpful and supportive. Why are you going to such great lengths to bust everyone’s b~~~~ for not agreeing with you?
Are you drunk posting or are you always this nasty towards people who are only trying to add something to the discussion? Maybe you should create your own, independent “forum”, where no one else is allowed to add to whatever it is that you decree. I read and contribute to these forums and this website because I usually don’t have some control-freak dictating what I’m allowed to say. You are trying to control the “discussion” like a feminist bitch.Only hate comment for no reason I see is yours.
It’s always the religious topics that create the most friction. Attack the point and blow it to bits if you desire, but please don’t attack the member. That’s for everyone. Peace.
As for how people choose religion, there are a couple possibilities:
People don’t choose it as much as act it out, as it is nothing other than a set of beliefs and guidelines. That is it. Even you, in many respects, follow a religion. Religion is controversial, because it is unavoidable in a time where people rather live in self illusions over reality.
Religion will always be around, because it is the manner through which people operate. Culture comes from the latin derivative “cultus” or “Colo” which means “to till, cultivate, worship”.
To continue from my above post, to have prophecy exist really isn’t that far fetched because prophecy is a way of understanding reality through a revelation of some form. Heck, if I remember correctly and that is a big “if”, some quantum physicists who are working with the large Hadron Collider have discovered (or might have found evidence implying the possible discovery of) the fact that future particles can affect the past.
If this is true, and that is a big “if”, it definitely opens up a strong possibility to the fact that prophecy can exist.
because prophecy is a way of understanding reality through a revelation of some form.
That is sooooo far off… they are warnings and also proof that god is there.
Proof for those who didnt see Jesus perform the wonders with their own eyes, for example.
It is “to be fair” if u will, because its tough to believe in the wonders if you havent seen them.
Also alot of efforts were made in the past 2000 years until today, to distract us from the bible and what is written in there.The Bible in Basic English
John 20:29 (BBE) Jesus said to him, Because you have seen me you have belief: a blessing will be on those who have belief though they have not seen me!And pretty please… I posted 2 videos without asking a question or telling my own thoughts and suggestions to start a general debate again.
some quantum physicists who are working with the large Hadron Collider have discovered (or might have found evidence implying the possible discovery of) the fact that future particles can affect the past.
What does this have to do with the videos?
What does this have to do with the videos?
Nothing at all because my post wasn’t directed towards you. Between telling me to “f~~~ off” then erasing it, then taking my points out of context, while pushing a form of “better than thou” Christianity I and many of the others here are talking more to eachother than you.
Frankone and I are often at eachothers throats and we really don’t agree on anything. But there is some form of mutual respect (not much but it is there) and he at least tries real hard with his “arguments”. So in many respects the posts were directed at him. With that being said, you are just some “kid” taking things really out of context. There really isn’t anything else to say. And if that offends you, well I don’t know what else to say other than “deal with it”.
Whatever… ill just ignore you. Nothing you just said about me is true.
Whatever… ill just ignore you. Nothing you just said is true.
Thankyou. +1
GT: This is a good, unbiased laundry list of the Hebew requirements for the Jewish Messiah — i.e. if prospective saviors don’t meet the requirements, they’re not the real deal.
Rather than blather on about MY opinion of whether they’ve been met by Jesus of Nazareth, I’ll leave it to any interested readers to review the list and make up their own scorecards: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messiah_in_Judaism#Scriptural_requirements
I used to think my beliefs in what I thought was true were ‘ME’.
I learned that this is not so.
As the only illuminated vegetable on this forum, there’s no doubt my words be wise.
yea keep me busy please, Frank
You keep making 1 sentence long false facts and I labourisly work them off.
When Im done with that… you dont say thank you for setting me straight or admit that you were all wrong.
No, you just ignore it all and state a few more irresponsible 1 sentence long false facts.
Just what I expected, because you always do that.
Thats not how it works!
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