Suicide Text from the Ex…

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

decades ago as a medical student, I rotated through a psychiatry ward for 2 months. What I learned about involuntary commitment of mentally ill people:

Any ‘reasonable adult’ can approach a judge (possibly justice of the peace in some places) with concerns or evidence that another person may be a “danger to themselves or others”. A report of dangerous or threatening behavior by the ‘reasonable adult’ is often enough, but a text message or email is documentation self generated by the dangerous person. That will be certainly be enough. By ‘enough’, I mean it will be sufficient to convince a judge to sign out a mental health warrant. This is a document that activates the mechanism for involuntary commitment to a mental health facility. Most counties have a county hospital, and the county hospital has a mental health facility. It may be a separate building, or it may be built in to the county hospital, but there will be one in your county.

Once the mental health warrant is signed, the police will deliver it, usually the same day. Some individual officers may choose to have a conversation with the person to see if it’s possible to convince them to go to treatment willingly. But if the person named in the warrant refuses, the handcuffs go on and they go to that mental health facility in handcuffs. Either way, there is no negotiating once that mental health warrant is signed. It’s essentially an arrest warrant with the option to go willingly. As noted above, not answering the door does not make much difference.

Once delivered to that mental health facility, they can be held behind locked doors for up to 96 hours without anything further happening from the judge or court. During this time, psychiatrists will interview, study, and possibly medicate them, by force if necessary. At some point before the end of that 96 hours, a psychiatrist will make the decision to either release them, or go back to the judge with evidence that further treatment is necessary. In that scenario, the involuntary commitment can be extended for up to 90 days, with another review every 90 days after that.

In this scenario, if you had taken that text to the police immediately, they would have taken it to the judge and she would have been committed. While committed, if she threatened any psychiatrist, nurse or other staff, or failed to convince them that her text was just bulls~~~, she would have gotten that involuntary commitment extended.

I don’t know enough about the way courts work to know what happens if you approach a family court judge and ask for custody of your kids on the grounds that their mother is locked up in a psych’ ward somewhere, or if you could ask for custody from the same judge that signs the mental health warrant. I think any civil judge can sign that warrant, but in big cities, there is often a judge who does nothing but mental health warrants. But if she ever sends a text like that again, my advise would be to call the police immediately, meet them at her address with the cell phone where the texts were received, and take my daughter home when the cops take their mother to the psych’ ward.

GOING TO HER ADDRESS WITH YOUR SON WAS THE WORST THING YOU COULD HAVE DONE, if you had done it. She could have called the police and claimed anything while you stood on the porch trying to get in. And that’s how the cops would have found you: at her home trying to get in. Had she been serious, she could have shot you, and then herself, in front of your son.

Don’t ever go down that road with her again!

If you ever want, or have to fight for custody of your kids again, police documentation that their mother was found drunk and threatening suicide, and subsequently locked in a psych ward, while supervising those same children will be difficult for family court to ignore. Family courts love to claim that they are acting in the best interests of children. And if they fear anything, it’s appearing on the local news having failed to protect them from a crazy mother after evidence of that crazy was clearly presented to them…

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[coolthingy450Participant 1223]

SH3LLZ wrote:

Let this be a lesson. People who are going to really kill themselves, do not threaten. They just do it. If anything, they usually are super nice and try to make amends with those they’ve screwed over. Still, I would work on that “getting full custody” thing. Who knows if and or when she decides to kill herself if your daughter could be in danger just to hurt you one more time.
Something to think about seriously.
#ICETHEMOUT#MANOUT#HIDEYOURWEALTH#VAGINAISWORTHLESS

Yup pretty much. Had a friend that did it, no word nothing. One of the few that gave a damn because I cared. But couldn’t stop him. One of the nicest people I’ve known. If anything I wish he was less nice and killed of the ex.

Actions have consequences and consequences have prices. Cause and effect at work.

[Secret Agent MGTOWParticipant 22515]

Gravel Pit wrote:

Next time she is drunk and texts you. Do what 3 mgtow men here have suggested, call 911 and report her ass. She will go to the Cuckoo’s Nest. She needs to learn.
We shouldn’t have to disregard people’s foolish threats. Take them at their word. She says she may harm herself? That is not a joke. That bitch is unstable and could harm others too.

Yes, this. Clarify my prior response, I was saying it because its a s~~~ test on you and giving her YOUR attention is the total wrong thing to do. Now calling 911 and showing them the texts and letting the authorities deal with a suicidal person, and letting her s~~~ test blow up in her face, and damaging her reputation, well, yes, do that instead.

But never ever respond to her, no replies, no going over, none of that s~~~. Attention whore just gets her fix and knows she can control you.

Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.

[CombatRollParticipant 2594]

I’m too kind. I could have had her dragged away in cuffs to the looney bin.
Water under the bridge…

Cons:
My daughter would have witnessed it.
This is out of character for her – so it was her freebee. If it ever happens again I know I’ve Fked up, but I don’t think it will. Time will tell and I’ll be remorseful if it happens again and I didn’t call PoPo.

Pros to calling:
She was a horrible lying c~~~ to me and it would have been sweet payback.
She took a ton of 401(k) and half my hard earned assets – would have been Karma
I’d have my daughter full time – but do I really want her motherless if this was an isolated incident?

Noted, Brothers: If she ever sends another text like that it is OVER – she will be carted away and I’ll take full custody.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

CombatRoll wrote:

Noted, Brothers:

Only you know the full details in your life to make a judgement call.

Never underestimate what an alcoholic will do next. They are sick people and they need healing. They do deranged s~~~ that escalates.

Godspeed COMBAT ROLL. (love that name dude. I was thinking of renaming mine RUCK SACK or RUCK RUN. But I broke-in the name Gravel Pit for better or worse, may as well own it.

[MemberParticipant 323]

Definitely trying to get a reaction.

Cops will show up if you call….however she will lie and say the text was misunderstood or some other lie. The cops will then be looking at YOU for wasting their time. Personal experience with this.

I learned pretty quick that suicide threats are how manipulative people terrorize others.

It is super hard not to respond when a kid is involved but now you realize she is full of s~~~. Don’t respond again. She just wants to aggravate you.

Just another game they play…….ain’t they great?

[CombatRollParticipant 2594]

Gravel Pit wrote:

CombatRoll wrote:

Noted, Brothers:

Only you know the full details in your life to make a judgement call.
Never underestimate what an alcoholic will do next. They are sick people and they need healing. They do deranged s~~~ that escalates.
Godspeed COMBAT ROLL. (love that name dude. I was thinking of renaming mine RUCK SACK or RUCK RUN. But I broke-in the name Gravel Pit for better or worse, may as well own it.

I’m on the watch and am diligent about her bulls~~~ antics! She is spiraling downward and I’m thriving. F~~~! I should have left a long time ago! Scratch that. I should have never married.

Gravel Pit is a great name. Rucking is big around here. The trailrace I did NYD had a heat just for Ruckers. Very cool.

Mine is actually unrelated to war. A CombatRoll is how a kayaker rolls back upright while bouncing through rapids… his head ricocheting off of rocks. Versus a flat water roll, which is easy. Staying cool while your head is bouncing off rocks and being able to right oneself is key to the sport – otherwise you pull your skirt and eject/swim and all your s~~~ floats away…. which is called a “YardSale”.

[Two Time WinnerParticipant 1090]

Note to any guys reading this that are still married. A competent divorce attorney will insert words in the divorce agreement listing the insurance, retirement or benefit payable upon death will not go to the soon to be ex-wife, even if she has not been removed as beneficiary. Her signature on the divorce agreement overrides the beneficiary on the asset. If you put those words in the divorce agreement, be sure yours has it.
Be smart and change the beneficiary as soon as you can but even if you don’t, it will go to your heirs, not the bitch from hell.

TTW

I ain't got a wife to spend my money, I have to do that all by myself.

[SandalsParticipant 4253]

SH3LLZ wrote:

People who are going to really kill themselves, do not threaten. They just do it.

Some do threaten. But some who threaten are s~~~ tests.

narwhal wrote:

I would tell her that you’re keeping track of communication between the two, and let her know that texts alluding to suicide and/or drunkenness while you’re daughter is under her supervision will be saved if you ever need to take full custody

Why pull a Donald Trump and announce your plans? Just keep it a secret. White guys talk too damn much. We need to learn to just shut the f~~~ up and keep all our cards to ourselves until we’re ready to play our hand.

TaxGuy wrote:

It was a s~~~ test brother. A sick one, but a s~~~ test. She was hoping for a panic phone call from you and she didn’t get it.

Yep.

[SandalsParticipant 4253]

What BrainPilot said is exactly right. I know from experience. But also note, if any of YOU are thinking about checking into a mental facility, is that the people working there are JUST AS F~~~ING CRAZY as the inmates!!! And I know that from experience too!

[Anonymous 1]

Women love to threaten suicide and “attempt” it. They aren’t serious about it though. Women almost never actually complete suicide. I can think of a few instances in my life and its very very rare.

Men on the other hand….seems to happen all the time. I personally have known quite a few.

[Dark KenshiParticipant 2132]

Gravel Pit wrote:

I sent out a text like that once when I was drunk. The next morning, while I was asleep drunk… the Police KICKED DOWN MY DOOR. They handcuffed me and took me to a mental hospital where I was held against my will for 3 days.
All you have to do is make the phone call on her ass.
“911, what’s your emergency”
“I need to report a loved one who texted me and is at risk of harming themselves, a suicide text”
“what’s the address sir?”
Problem solved. Anyone sending out texts like that ought to learn better. I wish I had learned from that experience and I wish I had just stopped drinking at that point. (These were the final stages of my alcoholism about 6 years ago). I staggered on a few more months drinking very hard and self harming but keeping it secret. Then one night, the BAD ONE happened. I lived and I never drank again.
If she has a child over there. Let me be straight up with you. Your child is at risk.

Gravel, do you know why they kicked your door, to “save you” from suicide and held you against your will for 3 days, so you could “recover” from your suicidal thinking?

Better yet, do you know why suicide is prohibited by law?

It is because government does not like when his properties are damamged…

"Young was I once, I walked alone, and bewildered seemed in the way; then I found me another and rich I thought me, for man is the joy of man." Odin, Hàvamàl, stanza 47.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Dark Kenshi wrote:

Gravel, do you know why they kicked your door, to “save you”

Yea I hear you but I make so little money, they dont give a s~~~. If they gave a s~~~, they’d stop Vets from killin themselves. Im a Vet, I nearly became the statistic. Modern surgeons saved me in the end.

They kicked the door down because apparently they knocked but I didn’t answer because I was still drunk, naked, totally asleep face down on the tile floor in my own kitchen. Apparently they saw me faintly through a window. I was very angry about this whole ordeal, especially them kicking down the door because my brother (the asshole that called them in) knew that a neighbor had a key. Why the f~~~ would you have police kick down a guy’s door when there is a f~~~ing key?

I suddenly awoke as they kicked down the door and jumped up like I thought it was combat drills in the Marines or something. Totally naked and drunk mind you, and thank god when I ran around the corner and the cop had a 9mm pointed right at my face, thank goodness he didnt pop my ass right there, drunk and sleeping in my own apartment, nearly shot in the face because of a “concerned family member.”

So my justifications and excuses didn’t go over well since I was still drunk at 9am and they had found me naked lol. I also had some small scratches on my neck where’d Id been playing with a dull knife while drunk. They hauled me into the local mental hospital. After 3 doctors and 72 hours, I was released “Against Medical Advice AMA.”

It happened because I was p~~~ drunk and watching that movie with Tom Hardy Lawless movie. He plays a southern boy who distills alcohol during prohibition. In the movie he gets his throat slit but survives. Somehow the throat wound, on the protagonist hero, hit me as something cool that I should do so was going to make a scar right there. (makes great sense when you’re blackout drunk). After some drippy blood wound was made, I had texted someone about it in a very offhand way… my overly concerned brother got wind of it, (a maniacal drunk himself) then called the police and morning and had them kick down my door and haul me off. I was p~~~ed.

To be honest, I was not suicidal at that time. I was just a total drunkard. It took a long time to not hate my brother for that, but it was my doing to be fair. Alcoholism is a serious thing whether you think its a disease or whatever… it kills people daily.

After that event, I continued drinking. Obviously I knew better than to text people about my drunk episodes where I’d self harm. I managed on for 3 more months until finally I really did try to kill myself (by self throat slashing) and damn near succeeded. I would have but it was also sort of a “crying out for help” type thing because I did it in vicinity of another person in the middle of a blackout. If I had done it alone, there is no way I would have survived because Id of bled out too fast.

The point is. If she is “crying out for help” (its never obvious, its always subtle and hidden) and she is drinking alcoholically. That child could be at rick. And that woman may end up doing something psychotic and truly suicidal during a drunking episode. Often the alcoholic is the last person to know he/she is capable of such a depressive, suicidal event. I didn’t know. I could have passed a lie detector because during the day when I was sober, I was very happy, a good helper at work…etc… It was while I was drunk that the depraved human in the subconscious was trying to end his life…

But as I stated before. Only Combat Roll knows her in real life. We may be over dramatizing. But if she regularly drinks to oblivion, Id be on guard. You just cant predict an alcoholic’s emotional tantrum. In the depths of a drunken binge, she is capable of extraordinary things. People say that women wont follow through with suicide but if you get them drunk enough they will. They crash cars, they kill children…. Women are also capable of very violent s~~~.

If she is a substance abuser and needs to “find bottom” in order to actually recover, perhaps an vacation to the local mental hospital will do it. I see many women in “meetings” and they talk about losing their children and all of it.

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