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Looks like I found another meal for the mind.
The Bible, Isaiah 34:13-14, written in Old Church Slavonic.И возни́кнутъ во градѣ́хъ и́хъ тернóвая древесá и во тверды́нехъ егó, и бýдутъ селéнiя Си́риномъ сели́ща струѳióномъ:
и сря́щутся бѣ́си со онокентáвры и возопiю́тъ дрýгъ ко дрýгу, тý почíютъ онокентáври, обрѣ́тше себѣ́ покóища:You can check out the Bible in English and you’ll read the same that is written in modern Russian. I.e., nothing special — jackals, owls, goats, and orchists.
As you see I bolded a word. And the word is “onocentaurs”(in plural). Who is an onocentaur? It’s a mythological creature from a Bestiary. Mix of a human and a donkey. Why a donkey? Have no idea. But it’s hoofed then, right?
its body resembles that of an ass, its colour is ashen but inclines to white beneath the flanks. It has a human chest with teats and a human face surrounded by thick hair. It may use its arms to seize and hold things but also to run. It has a violent temper and does not endure capture
It’s claimed to be written in “De Natura Animalium” by Claudius Aelianus (a Roman writer and philosopher).
The description completely matches the observations and reports about contacts gathered by the Soviet scientists (and not only by them of course).
Yes, the Soviet Union, once, exposed an interest to the Snowman. USSR even sent a single expedition in search of the Yeti to the Himalayas. Of course with no significant results. When the program was closed, a group of scientists led by a doctor of social sciences Boris Porshnev, one of the most authoritative Soviet historians, kept its individual search.
He wrote the only book about the Snowman which is named “A mystery of the Snowman: the present state of the question of relict hominoids“. It is a boring (sometimes you want just to flip a page) but at the same time highly informative book compared to any other I have ever read. Many so-called the Yeti researchers in Russia just parasites on the Porshnev’s book while writing their “own”.
Unfortunately, I have had to read scanned variant with many pages damaged. The paper book appeared out of stock once it had been re-published in 2012! No one sells it today.
There is a kind of fetish in modern Russia. Anything that was made by the Soviets has the highest quality. I totally agree with the statement. Moreover when it comes to the scientists.
Now let’s get back to a mention about hooves.
Shurale is from both local cultures Tatar and Bashkir. It is absolutely the same creature as Sasquatch (American), Leshy (Russian), Yeti (Asian), Yowie (Australian) and etc. Literally, it’s a spirit of the forest, sometimes a demon. And it’s hoofed.Meeting with the Snowman! 😀
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Anonymous14I usually figure if no bones of a new species is ever found then the odds are it does not exist. What are these Yeti doing? Grinding their deceased loved one’s bones into a fine powder then sprinkling it over uncooked deer carcass every night for dinner?
I was born in a small town which is located in the forest. Elks and roes felt like at home on the streets. And living in such environment I never saw animal remains, except the cat’s, dog’s, bird’s, and hedgehog’s. But in 2001 I saw something tall, powerful and it walked on the feet. Since that moment I try to find an answer. And if different cultures from all over the world have absolutely similar stories and descriptions of the creature, then something does exist. Maybe not in big number like it was before.
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The same creature which fully matches the Leshy’s behavior spotted in “The Tale of Igor’s Campaign”. The poem was written in the 12’th century, also in the Old Slavic language.
28. night groaned to him;
and roused the birds with terror; the shrill tones of beasts aroused him;
29. Div arose crying calls on the tree-top;
translated by L. A. Magnus. — London, Amen corner, E. C. Edinburgh, New-York, Toronto, Melbourne, Bombay, 1915.–P. 2–24.Speaking of Div, Daev or Deev (I think it’s more correctly for the Russian form). Deev came from the Old Russian word “deevo” which means something unusual, strange, which is very possibly came exactly from the Indo-Aryan word “Daev”.
In the Old Russian folklore, Deev is either anthropomorphic or zoomorphic giant who steals young women for cohabitation. There are many stories that Leshy did exactly the same. And like his North American brother Sasquatch, he steals food, tools, makes a mess, makes loud sounds, laughing, whistling, clapping hands.
Russian folklore, in overall, gives tons of indirect evidence of the Snowman existence. What I have written today is just the very top of the iceberg.Happiness for all and let no one be forgotten ("Roadside picnic", Arkady and Boris Strugatsky)
Suggestius if you did not hear/read this you may find it interesting.
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The Nazis’ Yeti army in AntarticaWe are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit. - Aristotle
Warrior asked Fear, “How can I defeat you?” Fear replied, “If you don’t do what I say, I have no power.”Does this match up bro . Bunyip
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Then theres bigfoot and tales of giant lizards .
Bigfoot i reckon is something different . Dimensional .
There is also the pilliga scrub . I find the different habitats intresting when it comes to bigfoot .
The song playing is about the yowie as he drives threw the pilliga scrub .
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Good to see ya again suggestious as i like your topics on things like this .
THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .
Noname, there is so much of media noise around the Snowman. So I’ve learned not to believe anything that does not match with my own experience or lacks details which I can check with trustworthy information.
Their last transmission was that they were attacked by Nazis and “Polar Men.”
There are a couple of the mentions about low intelligence hairy giants which used as combatants in the ancient times. They waved big sticks and threw big stones at the enemy. It demands no combat skills, right? But when it comes to a firefight, it demands definite shooting skills, combat tactics and of course a firing distance. Few extremely rare creatures, delivered from a different part of the world, were sent into a suicidal attack? I wouldn’t say it sounds real. Pedantry and logic are always been stereotypical characteristics of the Germans.Happiness for all and let no one be forgotten ("Roadside picnic", Arkady and Boris Strugatsky)
Yep, Blade. Looks like our gang is gathering around a campfire again! Just the red skulled bro gets lost somewhere!
I’m not sure if I understand the word “dimensional” correct. You mean a big?Happiness for all and let no one be forgotten ("Roadside picnic", Arkady and Boris Strugatsky)
It will be easier to find and Yeti than a NAWALT !!! Keep this thread updated with your findings, please.
I’m sure she-Yeti is NAWALT! So when we’ll find the Yeti, we’ll have both! 😀
Happiness for all and let no one be forgotten ("Roadside picnic", Arkady and Boris Strugatsky)
Well, this is the map of the Yeti encounters in my region. I mean the region where I’m originally from. It’s to the South from Yekaterinburg.
Marks:
Grey is for obsolete (more than 50 years ago)
Yellow is for irrelevant (more than 20 years ago)
Red is for the last 20 years.
Green is for my case (2001)
Enjoy.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=185BsJjFE_siPGnHIDY-sjvPX375wP5i9&usp=sharing
PS These are not exact spots. Marks are put just next to towns and villages where the encounter took a place. So you see how many reports we have from a merely single territory.Happiness for all and let no one be forgotten ("Roadside picnic", Arkady and Boris Strugatsky)
Just a motivating photo passing by.
Locals say this is an evil giant torn into the stone. Could it be the Shurale? lol
Happiness for all and let no one be forgotten ("Roadside picnic", Arkady and Boris Strugatsky)
It will be easier to find and Yeti than a NAWALT !!! Keep this thread updated with your findings, please.
(Humor on)
I think bigfoot is mgtow bro .
So i doubt miss bigfoot is nawalt . A screaming c~~~ of a thing so bigfoots having to lay low due to the child support agency wanting to jail him .
Ever hear those stories about the smell in the air and an electrified feeling in the air . Thats miss bigfoot and her vagina .
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ABOVE WAS DONE IN HUMOR AND I AM NOT A GOVERMENT AGENT ON MR BIGFOOTS ARSE
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THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .
Didn’t they determine through DNA comparison that the yeti is just a very very lost archaic polar bear?
I usually figure if no bones of a new species is ever found then the odds are it does not exist.
^Pretty much this.
Without a type specimen, there ain’t no such animal.
Also never mind bones. There are a hell of a lot of species that are only known from a single tooth. We learned of Gigantopithecus blacki from a molar found in a Chinese snake oil shop. So if we can discover a long extinct giant primate from a tooth, why can’t we find any teeth from a species of giant primate that’s supposedly still running around?
dimensional” correct.
Different dimensions . Magnetic fields and others i think man kind just hasnt discoverd yet .
This thread had me thinking back when this guy showed me how to find water using two sticks ( water divining ) . Some people can and some people cant . You have to get yourself in a calm frame of mind .
You get two sticks in an L SHAPE placing the pointy end of the sticks forward .
Hold your hands out in front of you with thumbs up .
Close your fingers in with each finger closing until the bottom of the fat end of the stick rests on your little finger . Your pointer finger at the top loose and open your little finger the stick sits on .
Now your pointer fingers nuckle should look like a triangle pointing forward as both hands are together with thumbs up .
It may take a few goes till you get it .
WATER DIVINING is a way of finding water under ground .
The other day pillable mentioned orbs . I beleave they are different again . Dimensional.
I think maybe in time what discoveries lay out there not just in the world but with in ourselves .
Bunyip was pretty much what was described on the back of my parents property when i was a kid . My dad kind of remebers my sister and my mum come screaming out . His memory is getting fuzzy with age wich is sad because he has some cool stories too . Parkinsons .
THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .
Didn’t they determine through DNA comparison that the yeti is just a very very lost archaic polar bear?
Then how is it the Yeti if that was a very lost archaic polar bear?
They be like:”Hey! This sample belongs to a polar bear, hence the Yeti does not exist! Done!”So if we can discover a long extinct giant primate from a tooth, why can’t we find any teeth from a species of giant primate that’s supposedly still running around?
One of the most obvious answers is the Yeti goes to die somewhere in a hard-to-reach place like big swamps and karst caves.
The Yeti is a very complicated puzzle. And you will never put it together if you are going to throw aside the pieces you don’t like. It’s not a usual animal. This creature is known for two thousand years. And just the last two hundred years its number rapidly fell.
Even so, hundreds of contacts around the world including my own, you can’t just ignore it.A story about swamp gas from a weather balloon which was trapped in a thermal pocket, and refracted light from Venus doesn’t work here.
Happiness for all and let no one be forgotten ("Roadside picnic", Arkady and Boris Strugatsky)
Ok, Blade, then I caught you. I can say the same then. My fluffy bastard was “dimensional” too. Because when he appeared it was like a rolled down image. He was appearing from the head to the feet. At least I remember like that. I familiar with a story of the same appearance of the Yeti. Or correctly to say the disappearance. Because it was in reverse order from the feet to the head.
Happiness for all and let no one be forgotten ("Roadside picnic", Arkady and Boris Strugatsky)
They be like:”Hey! This sample belongs to a polar bear, hence the Yeti does not exist! Done!”
Actually no. They be like: “The Yeti does exist. And it’s a previously unknown species of bear most closely related to Ursus maritimus.”
In other words, Yetis are real just like Grizzlies are real. They’re both real bears. The locals have always known it’s a bear. In the Tibetan language Yeti literally means “rocky place bear”. Somewhere, somehow white people got the strange idea Yetis are some sort of primate, but they were mistaken. Yetis are bears. Always have been.
One of the most obvious answers is the Yeti goes to die somewhere in a hard-to-reach place like big swamps and karst caves.
So do Orangutans and, presumably, the closely related Gigantopithecus. And yet we’ve managed to find plenty of their teeth.
The Yeti is a very complicated puzzle.
Naw. Bears are pretty simple, actually. It’s not even a complicated bear like Arctodus. The only interesting thing is the yeti’s isolation from the polar bear population, but that’s easily explained by islanding after the end of the last ice age. As things melted the polar bear ancestors went north to the arctic while the yeti bear ancestors went south and up into the mountains.
This creature is known for two thousand years.
Known for two thousand years by the locals. Those same locals who call it the “rocky place bear”. Because they know it’s a bear.
And just the last two hundred years its number rapidly fell.
Naw. White people simply didn’t know what they were looking for. They kept ignoring all the actual Yetis they’d see because they wanted to find some giant monkeyman, not a bear.
Even so, hundreds of contacts around the world including my own, you can’t just ignore it.
Anecdotal evidence isn’t.
It’s not reproducible. Moreover, for every anecdote from someone claiming to have seen a giant monkeyman there are millions more anecdotes from people claiming to have not seen a giant monkeyman. And then there are the claims from the locals saying: “You mean the rocky places bear? It’s a bear.”
Actually no. They be like: “The Yeti does exist. And it’s a previously unknown species of bear most closely related to Ursus maritimus.”
In other words, Yetis are real just like Grizzlies are real. They’re both real bears. The locals have always known it’s a bear. In the Tibetan language Yeti literally means “rocky place bear”. Somewhere, somehow white people got the strange idea Yetis are some sort of primate, but they were mistaken. Yetis are bears. Always have been.
I may tell you when and how white people got that idea. Sherpa people called those creatures both the Thloh-Mung which means a rocky wild man and the Yeti which means a rocky bear.
Boris Porshnev was telling about the same confusion. In the Chinese medicine atlas of 19’th century, there was a picture of some demon called “a bear”. But there was writing says: “MI-go, the kind of a bear inhabiting the high mountains and having the appearance of the human. Well-known for its physical strength”.So those guys from the TV may screw off. They didn’t refute the Yeti existence as an ape-like being. They just found out that some hairs belong to some bear. Good for them. No wonder why the results of that so-called “investigation” were even not published in peer-reviewed journals
So do Orangutans and, presumably, the closely related Gigantopithecus. And yet we’ve managed to find plenty of their teeth.
As I said the remains might be in both large swamps and karst caves. No one went so far yet since it demands serious skills, high-priced equipment and of course plenty of time. This is not for weekend Bigfoot hunters like we are. Even normal animals look for a quiet place to die. Usually, they don’t do it on the spot. Since I speak about a high-intelligence ape-like creature then why should it act like a one-day butterfly?
Naw. Bears are pretty simple, actually. It’s not even a complicated bear like Arctodus. The only interesting thing is the yeti’s isolation from the polar bear population, but that’s easily explained by islanding after the end of the last ice age. As things melted the polar bear ancestors went north to the arctic while the yeti bear ancestors went south and up into the mountains.
Ape can’t be a bear. Rephrasing your further statement:” They keep ignoring all the information about the Yeti because they badly wish to find anything but not a giant monkeyman.”
Known for two thousand years by the locals. Those same locals who call it the “rocky place bear”. Because they know it’s a bear.
We are all the locals for our regions of the planet. And all our ancestors from different spots of the world were describing the same ape-like creatures. It’s from local tales to scientific books.
So if the locals have no idea of something it merely shows the level of ignorance of the modern generations.Naw. White people simply didn’t know what they were looking for. They kept ignoring all the actual Yetis they’d see because they wanted to find some giant monkeyman, not a bear.
“White people” in their reasoning find a base in numerous and frighteningly similar stories which came from the different world corners at different times. Modern days are included since there are some stories I trust in because they are very close to my own experience.
Anecdotal evidence isn’t.
It’s not reproducible. Moreover, for every anecdote from someone claiming to have seen a giant monkeyman there are millions more anecdotes from people claiming to have not seen a giant monkeyman. And then there are the claims from the locals saying: “You mean the rocky places bear? It’s a bear.”
Billions of humans have never seen personally what’s happening in the Space. But they trust a group of people called astronomers who tell them what they saw.
You made a mention of Orangutans. The first significant description of these apes was made by Carl Linnaeus in his book “Systema Naturae” in 1760. He named it Simia satyrus. Where “Simia” means a monkey or an ape and “satyrus” stands for a satyr or a fawn. Why so? To me it’s clear. But think by yourself, what the Satyr and a monkey might have in common so they both composed the name of the ape? Is Orangutan hoofed, horned, play the flute and have preferred to steal women to have sex with?
Ok, going further. Linnaeus described four kinds of the human. Three of them were soon identified as apes (or correctly and importantly to say great apes). The fourth is Troglodyta (female form) Bontii. She appears as a hairy woman with t~~~. She is named after Jacobus Bontius who was the first drew a sketch of her. Later, “Troglodytes” was applied for Chimpanzees. And Troglodyta Bontii was just forgotten.
Now, please attention, Bontius himself was speaking of her exactly in Malaysian “Ourang-outang”. As we know it means “person of the forest”. Another example is the Leshy. From the Russian language, the name translates as “he who lives in the forest”. It applies only to a mysterious creature out of there and doesn’t apply to the humans, like hermits for example.
Also, some native Urals people those are named Mansi, have absolutely the same folklore creature and call it the Menkv. Menkvs are failed attempt of the gods to create humans (say hello to UFO). From the beginning, they ran away into the forest. They are stronger, faster and have a bigger lifespan because its believed they were made of larch while people were made of clay, the reason why we are slower and fragile.
Cultures from North America, South Asia, European part of Russia and Siberia describes absolutely the same human-like creatures. They are big, strong, fast, hairy, meet in the forest and have a pretty aggressive temper.
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Sherpa people called those creatures both the Thloh-Mung which means a rocky wild man and the Yeti which means a rocky bear.
So the Thloh-Mung might be a mythical wild man. That’s a common mythical trope across many cultures, but it doesn’t mean it actually exists or that it’s a giant bipedal primate.
And the Yeti is, and always has been, a bear.
White tourists clearly erroneously conflated the two.
But there was writing says: “MI-go, the kind of a bear inhabiting the high mountains and having the appearance of the human. Well-known for its physical strength”.
Looking sort of like a human, but still just a bear.
You have to understand you are dealing with shamanistic cultures here, and shamanistic cultures all around the world have a distinct tendency to anthropomorphise their local animals in their mythology. For example to native north americans coyotes and ravens were mythical tricksters who could take human form to trick people. To west africans it was mythical trickster spiders who did the same. But that doesn’t mean real coyotes or ravens or spiders are secretly some form of giant primate. And neither is a yeti.
As I said the remains might be in both large swamps and karst caves.
Guess where some Gigantopithecus teeth have been found. If we can find the teeth of an extinct giant primate in a cave, why can’t we find any from a supposedly living one?
Ape can’t be a bear.
Correct. But the Yeti is not an ape. It is a bear. Westerners who mistakenly think the Yeti is a type of ape would walk right past a Yeti and never know it. And they have.
And all our ancestors from different spots of the world were describing the same ape-like creatures.
Except they don’t. They really don’t. They have variously described wild men, giants, dwarfs, elves, trolls, kappa, and you name it, all of which cryptozoologists have attempted to lump together and claim are descriptions of the same thing: a giant bipedal primate. But to anyone who pays attention to the actual descriptions, they clearly are not the same things. A giant is not a dwarf is not an ape. Cryptozoologists can take the shamanistic description of a bear and mistakenly try to redefine it as a giant primate because they are never particularly rigorous, but that doesn’t make them right..
numerous and frighteningly similar stories
Again, not similar at all. The description of the russian wild man is nothing at all like the critter in the patterson home movies nor anything like the orang-pendak of malaysia. Only cryptozoologists who have drunk the kool-aid mistake them for being similar.
Carl Linnaeus in his book “Systema Naturae” in 1760
…got a whole lot of s~~~ wrong.
Which is only to be expected because he was only starting out biological classification and knew f~~~ all of cladistics or genetics. Just like Newton and Darwin got some things wrong (and pretty much every scientist ever for that matter). Making mistakes is how we learn.
But just because Linnaeus made a few mistakes and false assumptions does not mean giant bipedal primates are lurking behind every tree on every continent or in every mythology.
Where “Simia” means a monkey or an ape and “satyrus” stands for a satyr or a fawn.
You’re using the wrong meaning of satyr there, and also getting the definition you are using incorrect. Satyrs are not specifically known for having hooves etc. Their actual distinguishing characteristic has always only been a permanently erect penis. Beyond that they could have any assortment of other hybrid animal parts, though only to make sure of a distinction between satyrs and men. A satyr could have cow horns or a donkey’s ears or a pig’s tail, or nothing at all just so long as it was clear it wasn’t human.
Cultures from North America, South Asia, European part of Russia and Siberia describes absolutely the same human-like creatures.
Again, no, they do not. It’s only cryptozoology fans who try to shoehorn them all into the same thing.
The orang-pendek, as actually described, is nothing like an almas, as actually described, which is nothing like a bigfoot, as supposedly filmed. Moreover the description of the almas claims it can and has interbred with humans with the offspring being considered human, and that’s something the creature in the patterson home movie, assuming it’s not just a hoax, could never do. There are distinct characters in the thing which clearly show it is not in the Homo genus.
Of these, the almas sounds like the description of a generic wild man trope, which is essentially just a grubbier variety of hermit or outcast. The orang-pendek does sound suspiciously like Homo floresiensis, but there’s no f~~~ing way bigfoot is a malaysian hobbit.
So no, they’re not the same thing at all.
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