Singles… you are NOT missing anything

[learningParticipant 115]

As my username says, I am a married guy. I’ve turned MGTOW in my head a couple of years ago, but I am still married because I cant let go of my kids waking me up each morning. But no matter what you do, however much you ignore, however hard you try not to argue, however much you try to compromise, just so you can be with your kids, sometimes…. just sometimes, it gets tooooo f~~~ing much.

Anyway, there is not much I can do about my situation – either I say f~~~ it and become a divorced dad (my wife will probably just leave the kids to a full time maid who will look after them), or I stick it out for the next ten years (I know for a fact that my kids will be brought up better with me around – I make them study, practice music, talk to them about space, evolution and science in general etc., and most importantly, I play with them everyday). So far, I am sticking with being a proper dad.

But for those out there that are not married yet, please just let me tell you something. Today, I was feeling bad, feeling like a loser, and after a full-on shaming session from my wife, I gave up, came to my study and literally typed in google “what to do when you feel like a loser” and I came across a guy saying “When you realise you are 38 years old single to have any adventure in life”… immediately, my mind was cleared, and I felt better. I could not believe my eyes that someone who is almost 40 can be that stupid. The guy actually thinks that being single is sad. HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH

Are you F~~~ING kidding me?

Believe me guys, however nice your new shiny girlfriend looks and feels, however much she sucks your dick right now, it will all disappear. Now, I consider myself a reasonable and logical human being, so I know that you are thinking that I am saying all this because this has happened to ME. But wait, its not just ME, talk to any married guy, go ahead and have a couple of beers with them and ask them what life is like…. I’ll tell you what it’s like.. it f~~~ing sucks. It’s like you have signed up with a business partner on a new venture that you can’t get out of, and your business partner has peas for brains. You cant have any reasonable discussion with them (the fact that you can have these reasonable discussions now means nothing… it all changes… you’ll see) ..

Basically the time you thought she was cool. she was making herself act cool so you would like her and then marry her
Basically the time you thought… man this girl knows how to give good head… she was giving you good head so you would then like her and marry her.. it will STOP happening FOR SURE
Basically the time you thought you can have make nice days out with her and actually go out and have fun… she was being nice so you would like her and then marry her … those wont happen either

One thing being MGTOM has taught me is that this is ingrained female behaviour.. They are just like that. We men just don’t realise it (or at least most of us). There is no point hating them for it – would you hate a mosquito for biting you? Would you hate a rat for chewing up s~~~ in your house? NO, you would just get rid of the mosquito, and the rat. That’s it.

For those of you who never married or got into a long term relationship, and for those in that category who also sometimes feel that they have missed out on something (like that idiot I mentioned earlier), I want to write this post to assure you that you are not missing anything. Nothing. Nothing at all. In fact, you are missing the following:

1) Having a reasonably hot girl sleeping next to you in her pyjamas, but you cant touch her. Even if you can, it will be lacklustre, she wont make any effort
2) That reasonably hot girl waits for you to wake up so she can give you a list of tasks as if you are a f~~~ing servant
3) That girl constantly makes you feel that you are not good enough even though you are doing reasonably well in life
4) Her needs, be them emotional or material, NEVER end. I mean NEVER. It is impossible to fulfil her needs, and they keep coming… until eternity
5) That girl will bitch and moan for almost 90% of the time you spend with her… you will die to leave home for work
6) Having to come back home to more bitching and moaning from the minute you step back into the house

Now why the f~~~ would you ever miss any of that,.

I apologise for the rant, but I read this thing on a forum where a guy apparently felt bad for himself because he was single. Why the F~~~ would you want to be attached a complete moron. And yes. all females are morons. You can converse with them here and there, but once they become close to you emotionally, they are just like a drain – they drain everything out of you. The drain the f~~~ing man out of you – and then they tell you – BE A MAN!

So please, if you ever felt bad about being single (I’m sure there are lots who don’t and well done and congratulations to all of you), please don’t… because you are not missing anything … nothing at all.

[ChilledToZeroParticipant 178]

I feel for you man, it’s honorable what you are putting up with for the betterment of your kids, looking in from an outsider perspective i think it might be a good idea for you to be with them when they are growing up and develop a really good bond with them as they grow older and older and then if and when you have to leave either because you can’t take it anymore or your hand has been forced you can sleep easier knowing that your kids grew up with you there for them and when the time comes they can choose to live with you if they wish

[learningParticipant 115]

Thanks Chilled.

I’m already thinking about that. Long term planning is the key I think, I have lots of plans for older age (I’m 36); I have savings accounts that she does not know of – which pay off ten years from now.

The day the younger one goes off to uni, I’m out of the f~~~ing door. I’ve done my time. I’ll go see my kids when they want to see me. The rest of the time, I will enjoy my retirement. And thankfully, my “retirement”, is gonna come before I turn 50, even though I dont stop working – i love my job.

For the younger men in their twenties, my advice is to enjoy life, spend your income on yourself and DO NOT GET MARRIED.

For the ones that are already married, you already must have realised, or are in the process of realising, the s~~~ you have gotten yourselves into… save your money, in an account (offshore if you can) that she doesn’t know of – you dont need to be wealthy to do it. Never mention it. Make plans to leave. Slow, in my opinion, is the only way to get out of it with some money in your hand. Separating in a f~~~ed up mind-frame is never going to work. I’ve seen many examples.

Dont get married, you will just end up wasting years of your life on NOTHING.

[Anonymous 18]

Thanks for the insight my friend. It is rare we get married man’s perspective on here. It is much appreciated….

I guess there are good sides to both. Being single has its glory in no nonsense constant self reliance and having control over the outcomes in life…

I must say however that a nice round ass in pj’s next to me once in a while is a nice change. But waking up to be bossed around sucks.

Being single is like summer break. Marriage is like schooling. A man is encouraged to join. But almost every married man has said the same thing. The principal is a bitch, the students are all bullies and you get homework.

I hope I never get fooled by a woo-man. Again.

[Anonymous 9]

I know man, and I’ve had those tactics pulled on me in hopes of giving over my freedom.

It never worked. I don’t think I ever came close to “putting a ring on it”. The signs were there from the beginning, but the sex was pretty good so I stuck around.

Then the big argument broke out, or the ultimatums started coming, and f~~~ all of that s~~~.

I’m free.

I’m about to dl some more porn when I get off tonight.

It’s crazy, because a chick handed me her number last night while at work, and I’m hesitant to even call her. I don’t want the drama.

If she could come over and drop her panties without me exerting much effort then all the better. I’m going to see if she’s down for being a f~~~ buddy since she passed her number to me.

I didn’t initiate s~~~.

[learningParticipant 115]

I must say however that a nice round ass in pj’s next to me once in a while is a nice change

Yes brother, that’s all good. But if you so much as even touch that ass, you will get shouted at!!
There is no point to this. You know the funny thing is that I may even accept being bossed around if I get proper involved sex and a blow job everytime… but being in a “relationship” completely eradicated all of that, It just will not happen – and that’s because the woman has already got you. She doesn’t need to “work” to get you anymore!

When we want sex, we should pay for it. Fair and square. If we get married, we will pay for it anyway and get substandard service. What’s the f~~~ing point? There is no f~~~ing point. So, let’s just pay for it if we really get horny sometimes and move on with the rest of our lives.

[OldBillParticipant]

learning wrote:

I’m already thinking about that. Long term planning is the key I think, I have lots of plans for older age (I’m 36); I have savings accounts that she does not know of – which pay off ten years from now.

Long term planning in the key. You just need to be serious about it and keep up with it.

I don’t know the details surrounding your hidden bank account and you shouldn’t share them anywhere lest your future ex-wife somehow find the trail with the help of “wayback machine”-type searches, but those savings need to be converted into cash a few years before you pull the trigger on your divorce. Once it’s cash, you can make it “disappear” more easily.

Have you heard of Terrence Popp and his redonkulas.com site? He makes videos and has a few which address long term divorce planning. His work might be able to give you a few ideas and point out a few things you may have overlooked. One system Popp mentions in his video which has been used successfully involves emptying bank accounts and converting all assets to cash, physically hiding that cash, and joining Alcoholics Anonymous and Gamblers Anonymous. When the asset disclosure of your divorce begins, you announce you’re an alcoholic with a gambling problem, have lost all the money in question, and are in treatment.

Another point to consider in your plans is the passage of time. You’re planning on divorcing within the next decade or so. That means you’re planning with today’s divorce laws in mind. What’s true today will definitely not be true ten years from now.

MGTOW has reached the tipping point. The many news stories, talk show segments, and whatnot over just the last year addressing the “marriage strike”, the “lack” of men, and so forth means the mainstream media has become aware of the fact that more and more men are escaping the plantation. Feminists and their governmental allies are beginning to respond accordingly. British Colombia, for example, has begun talking about not only reintroducing common law marriage but also lowering the hurdles to such marriages. Men are escaping more and more often, so women and governments are fashioning more and more nets, shackles, and cages.

When you initiate your divorce a decade from now, you will most likely be facing a divorce system even more hostile towards men than the one operating today. You’ll not only need to plan, you’ll need to reexamine those plans regularly as the legal climate exhibits more and more misandry.

Good luck. We’ll all be rooting for you.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[Mr. SpockParticipant 10910]

Welcome MarriedMGTOW I can’t fully understand what you are going through because I didn’t have kids but the overall marriage thing…yeah I know exactly where you are coming from. For all the men of any age who are thinking about marriage I have a rant for you to consider.
I finally pulled my head outta my arse and got a divorce sometime ago. It feels good knowing that I can spend my free time doing what I want/need to get done. No more whining, nagging or shaming. You are spot on about the sex and how the relations~~~ does a nose dive after you say “I do”. When you get married, you aren’t in a partnership of any kind. You are no longer equal, she owns you. You are a slave, indentured servant for the purpose of serving her. You become a resource that is for her benefit and you are disposable. She will upgrade the first chance she gets and blame you for making her do so.
Every young man is under the illusion that getting married or even co-habitating means that you no longer need to chase tail anymore that you now have it with you for your convenience. No one tells them that once the marriage is consummated that she NEVER has to have sex with you again. Nowhere in the vows or the contract that we sign, does it say that she has to have sex with you at all. The lawyers don’t tell you before hand, they don’t tell you that at Pre-cana (if you’re Catholic) either. Marriage is the biggest scam going against men. To get out of it you simply have to give up everything you own, a large percentage of your paycheck and start over. In the beginning, you think that YOU are being the unreasonable one and when those first thoughts of divorce fill your head you decide that you just need to stick it out. Over time you begin to realize that it isn’t going to get better and then the cold hard realization hits….you are trapped.
Marriage is a losing proposition. No man who got divorced has ever said, “I should’ve stayed married” but I bet almost every married man has said, “I should’ve stayed single”.

Feminism isn't about equality with men, it's about leverage over men.

[FunInTheSunParticipant 8283]

I’ve never been married. Sometimes I wish I had a sexy woman sleeping next to me in bed and cooking breakfast for me in the morning—just like in those 1950s TV sitcoms. I think a lot of single men will share my sentiment. I see your point, though.

"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)

[FunInTheSunParticipant 8283]

learning wrote:

So, let’s just pay for it if we really get horny sometimes and move on with the rest of our lives.

Sounds good to me.

"I saw that there comes a point, in the defeat of any man of virtue, when his own consent is needed for evil to win-and that no manner of injury done to him by others can succeed if he chooses to withhold his consent. I saw that I could put an end to your outrages by pronouncing a single word in my mind. I pronounced it. The word was ‘No.’" (Atlas Shrugged)

[Won'tGetFooledAgainParticipant 3293]

learning wrote:

Believe me guys, however nice your new shiny girlfriend looks and feels, however much she sucks your dick right now, it will all disappear. Now, I consider myself a reasonable and logical human being, so I know that you are thinking that I am saying all this because this has happened to ME. But wait, its not just ME, talk to any married guy, go ahead and have a couple of beers with them and ask them what life is like…. I’ll tell you what it’s like.. it f~~~ing sucks. It’s like you have signed up with a business partner on a new venture that you can’t get out of, and your business partner has peas for brains. You cant have any reasonable discussion with them (the fact that you can have these reasonable discussions now means nothing… it all changes… you’ll see) ..
Basically the time you thought she was cool. she was making herself act cool so you would like her and then marry her Basically the time you thought… man this girl knows how to give good head… she was giving you good head so you would then like her and marry her.. it will STOP happening FOR SURE Basically the time you thought you can have make nice days out with her and actually go out and have fun… she was being nice so you would like her and then marry her … those wont happen either

Having just gone through a divorce I 100% agree with all of this. At the start, your new, shiny girlfriend will be amazing to spend time with and will give you all the sex you want. You will honestly believe you have found the one and that you are in love and it will always be like this.

Once the woman feels she has you hooked she will stop putting on the act and things will gradually start to get worse and worse for you. This will be so subtle that you will not even notice it and you will put it down to the honey moon period being over and being truly in love.

This is your warning to get out, in reality the give away sign to get out is the first time she makes some excuse as to not have sex with you.

Do not under any circumstances marry her as it will only get worse and worse from this point on. Once you are married she will go from the little nympho she used to be, to going out of her way to avoid any situation where sex might happen.

Once you have the two children and your life is at it’s lowest point one of two things will happen. You will either be stuck in this hell for the rest of your life or you will get the “I’m not happy” speech. This is her realising that she is rapidly hitting the wall and if she wants to get back on the c~~~ carousel she better do it soon. She is probably already having sex with someone else so divorce and losing your house and a large percentage of your income is the only possible end game for you.

I think the comment above about being single being like Spring Break and marriage like School is absolutely spot on. By all means date women, but know when to bale and move onto the next woman as soon as things start to go off the boil.

For women, everything eventually boils down to Alpha Fucks, Beta Bucks.

[learningParticipant 115]

Man, I have to so much to say that I simply cannot control myself.

First things first, lets get one thing out of the way. SEX, Would any man ever marry any woman if she told him that we can have sex once a month, and even that would not involve a blow job unless it was your birthday, and if it was, then it would last about 15 seconds? Would any guy get married if he was told that by the woman he “loves”? No, yeah, thats right, we would all go and tell these girls to go and f~~~ themselves.

Marriage is a losing proposition. No man who got divorced has ever said, “I should’ve stayed married” but I bet almost every married man has said, “I should’ve stayed single”.

This right here proves everything…. and it is so f~~~ing true that you can go and test it out and see the results for yourself. Don’t just take our word for it.

you will get the “I’m not happy” speech.

This.This.This right here is what you get when you get married. No matter what you do, it doesn’t matter – women are programmed to do this. Just don’t let it get to you. Don’t let that make you feel that you are inadequate. It happens to some men (I used to be one of them), and I just want to lend these guys a helping hand so they understand that no matter what they do – these girls will be unhappy and unsatisfied no matter what you do – it si in their nature to always ask for more.

Leave it. Move on,

[TaxGuyParticipant]

When you get divorced, if you’re lucky, you get half your s~~~ back. You guys described my marriage to a tee.

Order the good wine

[rebelandboltmanParticipant 640]

Thank you for sharing your story. It’s a perfect reminder that a hot piece of ass, a nice pair of t~~~, and a vagina are not worth sacrificing my time, money, or sanity.

[RoyDalParticipant]

learning wrote:

… stick it out for the next ten years (I know for a fact that my kids will be brought up better with me around – I make them study, practice music, talk to them about space, evolution and science in general etc., and most importantly, I play with them everyday). So far, I am sticking with being a proper dad….

This is what I would do, were I in your shoes. For the sake of offering you something positive and constructive, let me recommend the Stoic philosophers with special emphasis on dealing with external adversity:
http://99u.com/articles/24401/a-makers-guidebook-9-stoic-principles-to-nurture-your-life-and-work

Edit: I have never had kids, but, if I did, I would want the books of Jeffrey Brown at my elbow. I found all of his in my library.
http://www.amazon.com/Jeffrey-Brown/e/B001JP1WCU/ref=sr_tc_2_0?qid=1444723296&sr=1-2-ent

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[BeeParticipant 700]

I just got back from a road trip with my wife. I think our marriage will survive this mistake but I won’t do it again. The complaining started when I brought home the rental car. I chose a Nissan Altima because it was half way comfortable and got 38mpg on the highway. It continued all the way from KC to South Carolina. I’ll grant you that hanging out at a wedding with the inlaws is not that fun, but she complained the entire time.

Here’s the fun part…. we drove 2,500 miles round trip which did suck but we stopped at nice hotels in Nashville on the way. In South Carolina we stayed at a beach front mansion with family. Our daughter got to swim and play on the beach and in the pool. The wedding was pretty simple on the beach and a reception at the beach house. The food was good and the bar was open. She likes seafood and being a coastal place the seafood was abundant. We ate at least 5 meals of seafood.

I spent about $1,000 on this trip and all she did was complain the entire f~~~ing time. I don’t think she said 10 words to me on the two day drive home. I’m done. I’ve already told her no more road trips with her. I may be done traveling with her because flying or waiting in line to board a cruise ship can be just as bad. She even made the comment that she thought we were two different people and growing apart. I have news for you…. the problem is you, not me. I do all kinds of fun things. As far as I can tell your primary interests are looking beautiful and posting on Facebook and this is all your friends do as well.

I just read an article about how the legal marijuana industry in Colorado just paid sales tax on 100 million (it’s booming). If I were not tied down to a wife, child and mortgage, I would move there tomorrow. As it is now, I have decided the best, most important thing I can do is to be there for my child every day. I do the same types of things with my child as the OP. For now, that is the most important thing. When she leaves the nest, the cranky lady is getting the boot.

[BeeParticipant 700]

PS Before the ceremony, I half jokingly told the groom it was not too late to change his mind.

Also, vacation is supposed to be the fun part. I don’t understand how this got so bad.

[John Woods 13Participant 2855]

There are too many things that I would like to quote from both the post and the replies, but I’ll just tell you, I am in the same f~~~ing situation.
DO NOT F~~~ING GET MARRIED!!!!!!!
I, like the OP, will stay married(as long as I can) for the kids. She tricked me into having kids, yet I’m the one who is willing to give up everything so that they can grow up like normal people. I’m telling you, especially after this weekend, I feel like just screaming like a crazy person, pick up my s~~~ and just disappear.
The bottom line is this: They LIE to get you married. Then, within a short time passion is gone, intelligent conversations are gone, nice gestures are gone, intimacy is gone, demands increase, nagging increases, expenses increase, you loose your friends, your passions, your hobbies. Then, she usually cheats on you, then she “accidentally” gets pregnant when you start having second thought about the marriage. At this point, you are screwed. You cannot leave her, because you would be leaving your kid too. So the kids blackmail begins. By this time you might have sex once a month, with an inert corpse of a wife. You are working your ass off at work to pay for the new mortgage, “safer” car (see minivan), diapers and miscellaneous kid stuff.
Then, the long list of demands starts: vacations, new house/renovation, new car, jewelry, “date nights”, and all sorts of other weird s~~~. Then, you bust your butt and somehow manage to do it all. And what do you get?
This:

Won'tGetFooledAgain wrote:

Once you have the two children and your life is at it’s lowest point one of two things will happen. You will either be stuck in this hell for the rest of your life or you will get the “I’m not happy” speech. This is her realizing that she is rapidly hitting the wall and if she wants to get back on the c~~~ carousel she better do it soon. She is probably already having sex with someone else so divorce and losing your house and a large percentage of your income is the only possible end game for you.

After all of that, you WILL get the “I’m not happy” speech. Somehow, giving them all the s~~~ they wanted makes them unhappy. How THE F~~~ does that make any sense?
It make sense now, after taking the red pill and realizing that happiness for them is being able to DEMAND and COMPLAIN. When they have everything they wanted/asked for, they now have to start shutting the f~~~ up or even worst, start giving something back. And they are INCAPABLE of such a thing, which is why they will either start having an affair, or will want a divorce or they will go into a depression. Either of which will f~~~ you up even more.

So, gentlemen, when you ask yourself, “Should I get married? Am I missing something in life?” the answer is NO !

The answer is NO. “I could but I won’t”. Memini murum!

[XSDBSParticipant 3598]

Bee wrote:

I just got back from a road trip with my wife. I think our marriage will survive this mistake but I won’t do it again.

ugh…I learned the same lesson, listening to her complaining about everything.
I actually turned around at 200 miles, and drove back to her place.
After she unloaded her luggage, she said “You’re not sleeping here tonight.”
I said “That’s fine, I’m still going on vacation”, and left.
I turned my phone off, and never checked e-mail.
When I got back home the next weekend, there was an envelope taped to my door.
I opened it, recognized her handwriting, tore it up, and threw it away.
I deleted all the voice-mails, texts, and e-mails she had sent during the past week.
Never heard from her again.

[HitmanParticipant]

funny how girlfriends can be so much fun , have hot sex with you , have FUN vacations ….and after the marriage OMG .dawn of the f~~~ing dead depression,,zombie like complaining C~~~S without reason ..almost ALL married men experience this HORRIFIC change in a matter of months , the weight PILES on ,they don’t ” feel sexy ” anymore ( because now they’re FAT ! ) ..so the once hot sex fizzles, MARRIAGE = DEATH !

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