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Miller was based upon the National Firearms Act of 1934: For information purposes here is the skinny on it:
The NFA was originally enacted in 1934. Similar to the current NFA, the original Act imposed a tax on the making and transfer of firearms defined by the Act, as well as a special (occupational) tax on persons and entities engaged in the business of importing, manufacturing, and dealing in NFA firearms. The law also required the registration of all NFA firearms with the Secretary of the Treasury. Firearms subject to the 1934 Act included shotguns and rifles having barrels less than 18 inches in length, certain firearms described as “any other weapons,” machineguns, and firearm mufflers and silencers.
While the NFA was enacted by Congress as an exercise of its authority to tax, the NFA had an underlying purpose unrelated to revenue collection. As the legislative history of the law discloses, its underlying purpose was to curtail, if not prohibit, transactions in NFA firearms. Congress found these firearms to pose a significant crime problem because of their frequent use in crime, particularly the gangland crimes of that era such as the St. Valentine’s Day Massacre. The $200 making and transfer taxes on most NFA firearms were considered quite severe and adequate to carry out Congress’ purpose to discourage or eliminate transactions in these firearms. The $200 tax has not changed since 1934.
As structured in 1934, the NFA imposed a duty on persons transferring NFA firearms, as well as mere possessors of unregistered firearms, to register them with the Secretary of the Treasury. If the possessor of an unregistered firearm applied to register the firearm as required by the NFA, the Treasury Department could supply information to State authorities about the registrant’s possession of the firearm. State authorities could then use the information to prosecute the person whose possession violated State laws. For these reasons, the Supreme Court in 1968 held in the Haynes case that a person prosecuted for possessing an unregistered NFA firearm had a valid defense to the prosecution — the registration requirement imposed on the possessor of an unregistered firearm violated the possessor’s privilege from self-incrimination under the Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. The Haynes decision made the 1934 Act virtually unenforceable.
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Title II of the Gun Control Act (GCA) of 1968
Title II amended the NFA to cure the constitutional flaw pointed out in Haynes. First, the requirement for possessors of unregistered firearms to register was removed. Indeed, under the amended law, there is no mechanism for a possessor to register an unregistered NFA firearm already possessed by the person. Second, a provision was added to the law prohibiting the use of any information from an NFA application or registration as evidence against the person in a criminal proceeding with respect to a violation of law occurring prior to or concurrently with the filing of the application or registration. In 1971, the Supreme Court reexamined the NFA in the Freed case and found that the 1968 amendments cured the constitutional defect in the original NFA.
Title II also amended the NFA definitions of “firearm” by adding “destructive devices” and expanding the definition of “machinegun.”
Firearm Owners’ Protection ActIn 1986, this Act amended the NFA definition of “silencer” by adding combinations of parts for silencers and any part intended for use in the assembly or fabrication of a silencer. The Act also amended the GCA to prohibit the transfer or possession of machineguns. Exceptions were made for transfers of machineguns to, or possession of machineguns by, government agencies, and those lawfully possessed before the effective date of the prohibition, May 19, 1986.
it is a tragedy what has happened but I don’t blame the gun(s) I blame the shooter. I know plenty of people who own firearms and they could walk into any area that is crowded with people and start shooting but they don’t. Like any any freedom, it must be tempered with respect and good judgement. Automatic firearms are hard to get in the US but there are ways to get them. Just like drugs, alcohol, sex and anything you can think of.
I pray for the families of those who are involved and even for the shooter.Feminism isn't about equality with men, it's about leverage over men.
Not my business but from the outside perspective …. yeah. FFS almost thousand people have additional holes in their body due to single wacko.
The choices we make, not the chances we take, determine our destiny
take a gander at this:
it is a tragedy what has happened but I don’t blame the gun(s) I blame the shooter. I know plenty of people who own firearms and they could walk into any area that is crowded with people and start shooting but they don’t. Like any any freedom, it must be tempered with respect and good judgement. Automatic firearms are hard to get in the US but there are ways to get them. Just like drugs, alcohol, sex and anything you can think of.
I pray for the families of those who are involved and even for the shooter.The las vegas guy recently spent a lot of money on gambing, and NBC News reports that Paddock was married and going through a divorce or somehow splitting up with his wife, though it was not clear who that woman is. NBC also said it is not known if the marital issues played any role in the shooting.
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regular man + gambling in vegas + divorce with woman = crazy manMGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.
it sounds like the las vegas guy broke many existing gun laws so passing more wouldn’t help.
Precisely. Also, as others have said, it’s almost impossible to legally buy a fully automatic weapon. Even if you are able to go through all the red tape it takes to get one, they cost tens of thousands of dollars for just one. Most of them that are legal to own have all been bought up and they are very scarce.
I myself would like to own one, but only for the novelty of it. I couldn’t afford to shoot it with ammo being so expensive, much less afford to buy the rifle itself. If I could buy one, I’d shoot it once or twice with friends and then put it away until the impending zombie apocalypse.
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
Anonymous6Only three ways he could have gotten those automatic weapons.
Either he had them “before” the ban went into effect in the 80’s.
He got them on the black market.
He got a gunsmith, or himself, to alter one of his existing weapons.
Anonymous1Great insight Pete. I was hoping and glad you are active on this topic.
But being able to build a militia is EXACTLY the reason for the Second Amendment. The First Amendment guarantees our right to freedom of speech, particularly the ability to speak against our own government. The Second Amendment guards the First Amendment from a leader trying to limit your First Amendment rights.
As Milo so eloquently put it:
The First Amendment is our Plan A.
The Second Amendment is our Plan B.Blue-Pill Virgin: Women hate me! That's what it is.
MGTOW Man: Hate them back; it works for me.I was just watching Alex Jones and he has raised the possibility the guy is another radicalized leftist, like the guy that shot up the congressional baseball game.
take a gander at this:
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It would be curious to see what type of firearms he used since:
The machine gun you wish to acquire must have been manufactured on or before May 19, 1986. That is the cutoff date for entries to be made in the NFRTR (National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record), the registry of all NFA items in the United States including machine guns.
Blue-Pill Virgin: Women hate me! That's what it is.
MGTOW Man: Hate them back; it works for me.Interesting that NOTHING has been said about the caliber of the bullets or the weapons used.
Anonymous7It would be curious to see what type of firearms he used since:
Something about the information being released seems fishy to me.
From the video floating around he wasn’t using 30 round mags. The means he was using some serious s~~~.
I think you can empty a 30 round mag in a M16 in 3-4 seconds. Any Army or Marine guys want to jump in here?
Anyway the s~~~ this guy brought is NOT firepower that most Americans have access to, legally anyway.
I was just watching Alex Jones and he has raised the possibility the guy is another radicalized leftist, like the guy that shot up the congressional baseball game.
the longer it takes the MSM to come out and say “Right Wing Extremist”, the more likely he’s radicalized leftist. You know they’d have said “right wing” already if there was ANY indication of that.
Anonymous6It would be curious to see what type of firearms he used since:
Something about the information being released seems fishy to me.
From the video floating around he wasn’t using 30 round mags. The means he was using some serious s~~~.
I think you can empty a 30 round mag in a M16 in 3-4 seconds. Any Army or Marine guys want to jump in here?
Anyway the s~~~ this guy brought is NOT firepower that most Americans have access to, legally anyway.
That sounded like either a drum or something belt-fed. No way he was loading and reloading that fast. Most magazines are 20-30 rounds. If you listened to the first group of shots, there were way more than 20-30 shots. He had something big up there. Which adds to my question of, how did he get that much s~~~ past hotel security. Do those security guards not see anything odd?
Anonymous7He had something big up there. Which adds to my question of, how did he get that much s~~~ past hotel security. Do those security guards not see anything odd?
His brother says he was a multi-millionaire, real-estate.
So he had the cash to get serious firepower.
Just take them apart and bring them in, in pieces.That sounded like either a drum or something belt-fed. No way he was loading and reloading that fast. Most magazines are 20-30 rounds. If you listened to the first group of shots, there were way more than 20-30 shots. He had something big up there. Which adds to my question of, how did he get that much s~~~ past hotel security. Do those security guards not see anything odd?
“Sheriff Lombardo says hotel employees had gone in and out of the shooter’s room prior to attack and didn’t notice anything nefarious”
Sheriff Lombardo says hotel employees had gone in and out of the shooter's room prior to attack and didn't notice anything nefarious. #wcvb
— Karen Anderson (@karenreports) October 2, 2017
Makes no sense!!!!!
Amichai SteinVerified account @AmichaiStein1 22m22 minutes ago
#BREAKING: @nytimes: 2 rifles with scopes on tripods positioned in front of two broken windows were found the the shooter’s room #LasVegasI don’t believe it was box/mag fed. It sounds like a chain/belt fed weapon.
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