She is my friend.

[Anonymous 1]

I have been browsing the MGTOW subreddit lately, I will not focus on what is going on there, but a thing has struck me hard. There are many posts of people(orbiters?) talking about their female friends, sometimes talking about ’em as lesbians or bisexuals or whatever. I would like to share with you my thoughts and hear from your experiences and opinions, since friendships are sure a crucial thing in life(unless you are a complete ghost, which seems normal to me aswell).

I will share now my point of view and then you are more than welcome to share yours.

Before swallowing redpills, before discovering MGTOW I already had an eye for friendships, I simply did not believe in friendship between man and woman(at least bot straight). I only had male friends, the few females that I saw more than one time were because of group of friends, or my bluepilled version that did not understand what was going on. After confirming my doubts, after embracing totally the redpill and the MGTOW gold, I simply shut down any effort I used in female relationships. To have some confirmations I even started to say “no” to the ones who always had a yes out of me, well easy to say that they changed towards me, nothing to use anymore? well then I have no interest in you.

Everything was confirmed and being capable of looking through the matrix finally set me free, no more female friends, it is just stupid for me, I think that searching for female friends is like searching for unicorns, you may find one that resembles the picture, but you will most likely been fooling yourself to still feed that little part inside of yourself that screams “maybe she is different”.

Do you have any female friends?
How did it work out for ya?

Thanks brothers.

[Anonymous 42]

Modern women are not friendly, they only think of themselves and what men can do for them, so to answer your question, NO, I have no female friends as they show their true colors on some poor fool, I know I’m in the top 1% when it comes to my minimum standards in friendship.

In all honesty I consider women as sworn enemies given the way they behave and the things they do, I have a lifetime to reflect on when it comes to making this call. If they act like enemies then what else can they be?

[Binary LogicParticipant 2351]

Female friends. I have zero. Nada. None. The two words in the same sentence automatically qualify as an oxymoron. I do however, have a stream of 20 somethings that occasionally come by to get…. entertained. And I’m quite okay with that. It is under the understanding that there is room for nothing else their except for mutual physical satisfaction. Albeit, to some I have to say it out loud, and to others, they look at the way I carry myself, and they automatically understand what I will and will not tolerate.

Most assume I am out of their league. So when I do give them the time of day, I usually don’t get any s~~~, and when I do, well, I just drop them from the team without as much as an explanation. While they do eventually come calling back it is either because they 1) Tried riding the carousel again and didn’t find it as much fun or 2) the highly more unlikely idea that they realized their own mistake by opening their mouth and speaking out of place.

Now, don’t get me wrong, I try to conduct myself as a gentleman at all times. I’m no ‘Chad’ per se, But sometimes (and by sometimes, I mean ALWAYS) women speak of things they don’t really have a place in speaking about, as in “What a REAL man is.” That to me is like the Moon trying to tell the Sun how to do it’s job… and we can’t have that. So I just cut em’ off and for some reason the more you ignore them, the more they come clambering back. Beyond that, there are 50 Bigillion women on the planet, no sense in dealing with the b.s. of one in particular. Keep yourself in good shape physically, be presentable and carry yourself accordingly, and you can make their heads spin on a swivel A La’ Exorcist style.. lol.

I guess what I’m saying is that if you can find someone that is looking for mutual satisfaction, that is about as far as friendship needs to go. No calls for help with some mind numbing task, no showing up unannounced, just… no b.s. whatsoever. Of course, the only way that works is if you recognize your worth and conduct yourself accordingly, they then will follow suite.

I hope like hell all of this doesn’t sound to PUA’ish…

Funny, isn't it? How women thrive on a mans time, attention and resources, while simultaneously telling him he isn't enough...

[NerevarParticipant 8040]

I don’t have female friends. They never have anything interesting to say, aren’t funny and don’t want to do the stuff I like doing with my buddies, like playing football (soccer) or playing videogames. The last time a girl was with me, well… you can read that in my “my best friend’s gf”-topic.

They’re boring, don’t participate in anything, don’t care about you. The only good thing about that chick was that she shut her trap most of the time, which is rare.

"One of the best things internet exposed is just how insane women are." - Freeman_K

[Anonymous 11]

I have one female friend. I have zero expectations from her, and her hamster spins randomly. She did let me keep my Mustang in her garage during Matthew.

You really can’t have a deep friendship with a woman. They cannot be even be friends among themselves.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Rather than discussing women’s suitability for and possible contributions to friendship, I’m going to focus first on men. We are, after all, not here simply to re-hash the failures of women, but, I would like to believe, to better understand ourselves and to grow as a result.

I believe that wherever there is sexual attraction in the man for the woman there can be no true friendship. A man who desires a woman yet agrees to limit the relationship to only the things that”friends” do has created a friend zone for himself and can never truly be a friend to the woman, he will forever more be a suitor.

It is only in the absence of sexual attraction for her that a man can treat a woman as a true friend. This can occur after a sexual relationship has ended and the man no longer desires the woman physically but knows and regards her highly enough, or in situations where that sexual attraction never existed in the first place.

Forget for a moment whether or not the woman can contribute meaningfully to a relationship. We don’t do things because of what others are capable of, we do things because of what we are capable of… and I say a man who wants to f~~~ a woman can not function as her friend.

Having said that, I’ve lied to women and told them I would be their friend so that I could get close enough to them for long enough to f~~~ them. Sometimes it works, sometimes not. But in none of those cases was I truly a friend. I do have some female friends though… most of them being women I’ve already f~~~ed, dumped and gotten over completely. In rare cases (maybe one or two in the past several years) I’ve considered myself the friend of a woman I would never f~~~.

Now, as to the value of those friendships… for me they are purely to serve three purposes:

1) to argue with them about gender issues
2) to have them verbalize the “woman’s perspective” for me
3) to use them as bait in business meetings or social activities

So really none of them are true friends the way a man would be but that’s just me. I don’t find women to be loyal or trustworthy enough to count as true friends, though I do find them useful to have around from time to time. Your mileage may vary.

[BigDParticipant 3024]

In my field of work I have had one female friend. The reason why we are friends is because she is much older than I am. Her hormones have kicked in and now thinks logically. I have no problems with that. Is there anything sexual going on? No, not at all. That train left the station for her years ago. It is nice to get a female perspective for a logical female. However, her advise is exactly the same as all my logical male friends. We have discussed my views on women and she totally agrees. If she secretly disagrees I would never know. Has she ever tried to take advantage of me? Not once in anyway, shape or form.

Just to put this out there, if she had been my age when we had met, I would never have been her friend. I probably would have asked for a transfer. From the stories she has told me that when she had her female hormones raging through her veins she was just a typical female. Now that she is older, still working in a STEM field, and seen most of the BS that is going she repeatedly has told me she wished she could go back in time and slap herself.

I find there are two kinds of older women. Ones who realize what is really going on and get on the ball. The other are those that just are miserable and want to make everyone around them as miserable as possible. There are far fewer of the first kind, as I have only met one.

Don't stick your dick into anyone you aren't willing to put up with for eighteen years and nine months.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

I have a few women friends. Some are climbing friends. Some are hiking friends. Some are movie friends. Some are museum friends. And so on. Some are sex friends. These categories are not exclusive. There’s some overlap.

But that’s all they are: just friends. And that’s all they’ll ever be: just friends. I have no intention of ever marrying, cohabitating, or impregnating any of them. And they know it. I am always very up front about that.

Some have eventually had a problem with that, and I think we all know what that’s all about. That is how they became former friends. But that is their problem, not mine.

There’s nothing inherently wrong with female friends, depending on the specific woman, obviously. If you’re going to associate with them at all, the friend zone is exactly where you want to keep them.

[Anonymous 0]

Interesting topic, +1 for Math,

I have two female friends;one I see during camping season only and one I see about twice a month and during camping season (she has a trailer in the same RV park as me) In both cases they only approach/talk to me when they want something and I know that if I accept an invitation to dinner, they want me to do something (fix the roof, drive them somewhere, winterize their trailer for them etc.) I woke up to this last year and started NOT being available making whatever excuse and predictably the invitations became somewhat more. I haven’t slept with either of them because now I see them for what they are. And I don’t dislike them but am under no illusions. They are just trying to purchase my services using whatever currency they have to.
For my part, I just started a steady diet of red pills last November. I lurked for a few months before that and decided that this was NOT A HATE SITE and actually felt like I was “welcomed home after the war” (see “Peace at Last”)
In conclusion, it is my assertion that women use men and will use whatever means they have to to get what they want all the while trying to make the man feel that she is doing him a favor. My eyes are opened and I am getting closer to Monk mode all the time. Thanx for listening.

[StentorianParticipant 1690]

Binary Logic wrote:

Female friends. I have zero. Nada. None. The two words in the same sentence automatically qualify as an oxymoron.

Precisely. They are mutually exclusive ideas.

Binary Logic wrote:

I do however, have a stream of 20 somethings that occasionally come by to get…. entertained.

Females 18 – their early 20’s. That is the height of their beauty. If one would engage women for pleasure. This would be the demographic of choice.

To answer Math about female friends, I personally have noticed that well before MGTOW. The last 3-4 years or so, I have slowly begun to shed all connections to females. I was not sure why this was the case. I found many of them would create drama. And when I would not respond of chase after them to make sense of their s~~~ storms, and why they would pull back. They just faded to black. And I felt lighter and way less bogged down. Was like a great relief from a heavy burden.

I have 2 female friends at this time. And even these are more like close acquaintances, than full on friends. I can’t say that I trust either of them in light of what I have learned with MGTOW.

My desire is ghost out of the picture, and just let the connections fizzle out. They are not bad people, but have certain traits which make any deep friendship a liability on my part.

Likely many have said this, but I will quote the most recent that come to mind, Tom Leykis and Bill Burr. That unless we are f~~~ing them, it’s just not worth the trouble. Leykis vehemently advises against being friends with females. That they are there for one reason, and one reason only. To receive sexual benefit. Otherwise, there is little use.

“He who takes an eel by the tail, or a woman at her word, soon finds he holds nothing.”

[StentorianParticipant 1690]

Anonymous wrote:

Interesting topic, +1 for Math,

I have two female friends;one I see during camping season only and one I see about twice a month and during camping season (she has a trailer in the same RV park as me) In both cases they only approach/talk to me when they want something and I know that if I accept an invitation to dinner, they want me to do something (fix the roof, drive them somewhere, winterize their trailer for them etc.) I woke up to this last year and started NOT being available making whatever excuse and predictably the invitations became somewhat more. I haven’t slept with either of them because now I see them for what they are. And I don’t dislike them but am under no illusions. They are just trying to purchase my services using whatever currency they have to.
For my part, I just started a steady diet of red pills last November. I lurked for a few months before that and decided that this was NOT A HATE SITE and actually felt like I was “welcomed home after the war” (see “Peace at Last”)
In conclusion, it is my assertion that women use men and will use whatever means they have to to get what they want all the while trying to make the man feel that she is doing him a favor. My eyes are opened and I am getting closer to Monk mode all the time. Thanx for listening.

Very well written M52. It is good to see right through the facades. Benefits courtesy of the MGTOW Red Pill. Not as easy to manipulate us now.

“He who takes an eel by the tail, or a woman at her word, soon finds he holds nothing.”

[BoarParticipant]

She is YOUR friend and you are HER resource. That about sums up all relationships with whimyn.

Untamed wrote: Quit complaining and Go Your Own Way in whatever manner suits you best.

[~BSParticipant 3266]

A few, not close ones. I think as long as you realize that women in general keep you around as friends for their own reasons, it’s not a big issue to have a few as platonic friends.

You use them for companionship having a few drinks at the bar, going hiking, going beach whatever, they use you as buddies or valadation for the same purpose. They’re likely not going to stick their neck out for you, so you shouldn’t expect to white knight and do the same. As long as you don’t give into the blue pill, and maintain an equal footing with them, there shouldn’t be issues. On the other hand, being “close friends” with a woman would be serious temptation to give in to the BP.

"He didn't marry until now, so he won't ever do it. Think about it, why would a man like him ever marry? It's too late to catch him. " ~some cunt

[Anonymous 42]

sidecar wrote:

There’s nothing inherently wrong with female friends, depending on the specific woman,

Hey Sidecar, you’ve never been to Massachusetts have you?.?.?.?

[Anonymous 0]

Boar wrote:

She is YOUR friend and you are HER resource. That about sums up all relationships with whimyn.

Yup, time to change that. Thanx, Boar

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Anonymous wrote:

Hey Sidecar, you’ve never been to Massachusetts have you?.?.?.?

Actually I have. Which is why I don’t live in Massachusetts.

I’m not saying you can be friends with any woman or all women or even a large percentage of women. But you can be friends with a few of them. Just make sure that’s all they ever are, because every last one of them is a disaster in a relationship. AWALT.

But yes, the percentages in some places are worse than others. Especially Toronto. Seriously, what the f~~~ is it with women in Toronto?

[Anonymous 1]

Thanks for sharing men, it seems to me that the main line is dealing with them by getting what you want and giving something back at the same time, without drama, relations~~~s, doublestandards and useless orbiting.

I did not think that many of you had actually some female friends, or at least females that are dealt with by putting yourself first. In my bluepilled past it happened to be used due to my sex drive, women can sense that, but after a good redpill cure I gave the final kick to the pussy-pedestal and understood that a vagina is just a hole for sex and not the saint graal that our society sell us.

The answers here are the proof that we are not a bunch of women-haters, we are just tired of being used-lied to, whatever are the reasons of a woman to do that.
I will keep myself away from toxic women, but be more relaxed with the others, and if there is something to enjoy with a female(from which I gain something) let her play her cards and see what is behind her mask.

[TaxGuyParticipant]

I have female friends. Interestingly, they are almost all from the small town I grew up in. A town of about 5,000 at the time. Most of my very close male friends grew up in small towns as well. Some of the girls I was attracted to, some not. When you grow up somewhere that small, and my family moved there when I was 7, you have spent all of your childhood with those people. Some of the women are married to some of my good friends from school and I am friends with both.

I laughed when I read Sidecar mentioning “just friends”. Not so much in his context, but that is usually a big tell. I don’t say my guy friends are “just friends” but when said in the context of a male / female friendship is almost always means that one wants to be more than friends. I don’t instinctively say that my female friends are “just” friends, they are friends. When someone says that, and it’s usually defensively, it’s a big tell about the relationship.

Order the good wine

[HitmanParticipant]

Women all have hidden agendas.
Therefore they cannot be a real friend.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Anyone I have as a friend, is not based on any personal attributes they have, but one of the following:
– They consider what I have to say of value, and who I am as a person of value, and they act in a caring and supportive manner to me.
– If I help them, they show signs of having progress in their life, and it makes a difference, and they relate to me not because they see me as a source of money.
– They have attributes, and character (and skills) I admire, and find out value, if not for myself, others.
– They share similar interests as I do, and I can have conversations and do things with them of interest.

If a woman fits this role, and I have had women who have helped me in the past, then so be it. I am going my own way, and don’t base decisions on loss of relationships now, but what is needed to be done. Because, in about everything I am doing, I am not trying to get laid, have sex, act like a horn dog, or play the PUA game, I evaluate women not by their sex, or sexual value, but by their value and utility as human beings. I don’t put up with things either. I just don’t consider whether or not they are a man or woman relevant to anything. Other men can do whatever they want, this is how I do things.

The Herbivores of Japan end up having women friends. I see no problem with this personally. What I see a problem with is if any man allows his relationships to ruin his life. Anyone who is a real friend helps their friends, doesn’t ruin them or drain resources from them.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

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