Shamed into having children

[MenckenParticipant 693]

It blows my mind how common this is! I am in a subscription private libertarian group which is a fantastic group of people. Discussions generally civil and enlightening except on the subject on relationships. Obviously most everyone in any group is married with children. Society demands men be eager to throw their own ambitions away and become a sacrifice to others both to the government and to women. Even the most principled anarchists do it.

Well a young man of 25 just proposed a serious life altering question for advice. He married his wife under the pretense that neither of them wanted children. He wants to live his life, travel, fitness, etc.
He enjoyed the double income and no kids. Everything has been great until last night when she demanded children. Now he is asking us if he should give her kids. Out of all the responses, I am the ONLY person telling him that it is perfectly fine to ignore the shaming and live for yourself. It was the woman going back on her word that she didn’t want kids, yet this man is getting the blame for getting married in the first place. I pointed that out and so far have been ignored.

I hoping my lone comment sticks out and saves him from a possibly terrible decision. Thought about posting some MGTOW memes or videos, but not sure which ones would do more harm than good.

Misogynist - A man who hates women as much as women hate one another.

[Anonymous 3]

Kids are expensive. Ask everyone doing the shaming to sign a contract throwing in $10k a year for the next 18 years.

I guarantee you nobody will sign on.

[MenckenParticipant 693]

The responses are disgusting to me. These people are listing all the negatives to having children in a marriage saying its expensive and your life will be for other people. Living for yourself now is hedonistic and selfish.

Misogynist - A man who hates women as much as women hate one another.

[VassagoShaxParticipant 255]

I’d say his first error in judgement was getting married in the first place. But even I made that grevious error, so pot, kettle, black. But they entered into a marriage based off a mutual understanding. That is, no children.

Now call this my inner cynic, but I have that little nagging feeling in the back of my tiny mind that suspects she fully intended to have kids from the get go and begged off having them just to ensure she gets that shiny ring and champagne reception. Now she gets to call herself a ‘Mrs’, she figures she can bully and threaten him into having kids against his wishes. Colour me surprised.

If he doesn’t want kids, for good or even selfish reasons, he shouldn’t. Frankly if I was in his shoes and she made this an issue I would file for divorce. Irreconcilable differences and frankly deceit on her part.

[MenckenParticipant 693]

VassagoShax wrote:

I’d say his first error in judgement was getting married in the first place. But even I made that grevious error, so pot, kettle, black. But they entered into a marriage based off a mutual understanding. That is, no children.

Now call this my inner cynic, but I have that little nagging feeling in the back of my tiny mind that suspects she fully intended to have kids from the get go and begged off having them just to ensure she gets that shiny ring and champagne reception. Now she gets to call herself a ‘Mrs’, she figures she can bully and threaten him into having kids against his wishes. Colour me surprised.

If he doesn’t want kids, for good or even selfish reasons, he shouldn’t. Frankly if I was in his shoes and she made this an issue I would file for divorce. Irreconcilable differences and frankly deceit on her part.

I like that response and might use it. Or maybe drop a sandman video link and likely get ostracized.

Misogynist - A man who hates women as much as women hate one another.

[Anonymous 13]

She’ll likely just get pregnant anyway.

Then like so many others before him,

He’s f~~~ed.

[Anonymous 18]

He’s going to have kids.

No amount of rational will counteract when she is bending over naked sucking his c~~~ ….

Just put it in.

#1 source of pregnancies.

[Prefer Peace to PieceParticipant 10809]

I suspect she knows exactly what she is doing.
This guy is being played like a violin.

She probably intended to have kids all the while and simply told him what he wanted to hear.

He should cut his losses.

Of course, the danger here is an “unplanned” pregnancy. He should guard his sperm like Ft. Knox.

[Anonymous 12]

snip! quick!

[Mana KnightParticipant 333]

Second the snip quick comment.
Interestingly, this was the catalysis point of my relationship breaking down.
Before we got together, as we knew we liked on another, I made it very clear that it was not fair on her for us to together, as there was a lot of things that I would not do and never be able to do.

This mostly related to things caused by my Asperger Syndrome.

Things like going to large parties/family gatherings (I hate loud noise and bright light and crowds) and having children. I gave her the out before it started because I thought that was right. I told her I couldn’t give her normal.

Her response? “I don’t care. Who wants normal anyway. Normal is boring.” I loved her. What a beautiful thing to say.

Fast forward 2 years.
“I WANT BABIES MORE THAN ANYTHING IN THE WORLD! I WANT TO GO OUTINGS WITH OTHER FAMILIES WITH BABIES AND BIG FAMILY GATHERINGS AND YOU CAN’T COPE WITH THAT!!!!!!”

“Yes, I told you this. You knew this from day 1. I rejected your advances from day 1 telling you that I wasn’t suitable for a relationship, and you should stop there, I didn’t even want to engage in a conversation because I knew how it would end, but you said that you didn’t care”

“BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA”

TLDR: Women go back on their word. :/

[ForeverDoneParticipant 2928]

Well, he has three options. One, stick to his guns and to ensure 100% that his seed is empty, get a vasectomy (should freeze some sperm, just in case). Two, divorce the bitch. Three give in and become a wage slave to his and his offspring. Number two is my option. She’s changing the agreement.. Gee, that never happens…

[ResidentEvil7Participant 9596]

I’m not shamed into having kids, because everyone I know knows that would be devastating to me, the woman and the kids, because they wouldn’t be loved. I don’t like women and kids, and having them around would ruin my life and theirs.

https://themanszone.webs.com/

[The Batman 2020Participant 2112]

Anonymous wrote:

She’ll likely just get pregnant anyway.

With or without him too

Your 20's are for learning, your 30's are for earning.

[Anonymous 6]

His body, his choice.

[Anonymous 0]

Mencken wrote:

Thought about posting some MGTOW memes or videos, but not sure which ones would do more harm than good.

F~~~’um. Go full MGTOW. Post MGTOW is Freedom’s latest video about the plantation.

[MenckenParticipant 693]

I sent him a personal message on facebook warning about the consequences if she turns out to be a AWALT. I quoted one of the above posters who knows from experiences since I do not.

I told him that I was concerned that people were shaming him into submission without warning him about the risks. He was flooded with a barrage of responses from married men with children telling him to go for it without even thinking about it. Others told him that it is selfish and “hedonistic” to live for yourself. Imagine saying that to a woman! Here is my message to him. Possible I might save someones life. Or get hated for trying. Who knows.

I normally don’t reach out to people but I am concerned that people may be shaming you into submission. The fact that she lied to you is a major red flag and I am concerned that she could trap you. Of course I give your wife the benefit of the doubt. Hopefully sealing the deal makes you happier and she respects you until old age. Nobody is informing you about the risks though. Most marriages now end in divorced initiated by the woman. The laws are drastically in their favor leaving the mans reputation and finances destroyed. I posed the same question to other men who have gone through this and here is one response.

“I’d say his first error in judgement was getting married in the first place. But even I made that grevious error, so pot, kettle, black. But they entered into a marriage based off a mutual understanding. That is, no children. Now call this my inner cynic, but I have that little nagging feeling in the back of my tiny mind that suspects she fully intended to have kids from the get go and begged off having them just to ensure she gets that shiny ring and champagne reception. Now she gets to call herself a ‘Mrs’, she figures she can bully and threaten him into having kids against his wishes. Colour me surprised. If he doesn’t want kids, for good or even selfish reasons, he shouldn’t. Frankly if I was in his shoes and she made this an issue I would file for divorce. Irreconcilable differences and frankly deceit on her part.”

Again, your wife could be different and kids may benefit you. However, if your spider senses are tingling, than I would encourage you to watch some MGTOW videos on youtube. It could save your life. Again, your wife could be different and kids may benefit you. However, if your spider senses are tingling, than I would encourage you to watch some MGTOW videos on youtube. It could save your life.

I recommend Sandman, Howard Dare, or MGTOW is Freedom. Until you are absolutely sure, I would guard my seed like Fort Knox. If you decide later that she is loyal, supportive, and puts your needs first, than enjoy the family life. Alot of people do.

Misogynist - A man who hates women as much as women hate one another.

[Knights Templar RisingParticipant 5127]

My ex shamed me into having kids. Now I pay $2k/month in child support. That’s a f~~~ing house payment!!! Do the math laddies…

Sovereignty above all else.

[trader1913Participant 1577]

I have no shame, I do whatever the f~~~ I want.

I cant stand children, I cant stand women, even as a blue pill person I never wanted children, which led to a natural reluctance to commit long term to a woman.

[MenckenParticipant 693]

“How can someone be a man without being a father? I am not a father yet, but I am also not fully a man yet.”

“However, my feeling is this: To be a man you must be in a position where other lives are more important than your own.”

This is some of the comments I am dealing with. It is so hard to hold back because unloading my views on it is only going to p~~~ people off. This rot is infecting everyone no matter what political party or philosophy.

Misogynist - A man who hates women as much as women hate one another.

[trader1913Participant 1577]

Mencken wrote:

“How can someone be a man without being a father? I am not a father yet, but I am also not fully a man yet.”

“However, my feeling is this: To be a man you must be in a position where other lives are more important than your own.”

This is some of the comments I am dealing with. It is so hard to hold back because unloading my views on it is only going to p~~~ people off. This rot is infecting everyone no matter what political party or philosophy.

You know when they say you shouldnt discuss religion or politics with your friends. There is a hidden 3rd rule; don’t discuss red pill knowledge with blue pill friends.

I could give you a perfect rant about male disposability and how society views men as lesser than women and children, so all you need to do to be in a position where your life is less important is be born male and survive until adulthood. But I know better than that.

He is an addict and he has a myriad of blue pill delusions as his drugs of choice. His fragile ego does not let him affirm his masculinity through his own self esteem, and his worship of women prevents him from seeing value without reference to the feminine.

Only a mad man tries to convince a heroin addict to stop taking heroin. It must come from within…and some men do not have it within them.

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