Red Pill White Knighting Drama

[Anonymous 11]

I received a summons from my distressed ex damsel with whom I maintain a very close friendship. I know it’s weird, but we really do have a reciprocal relationship. I’ll get a nice steak dinner on her for this crap.

Chad is raging and busting things up around the house so she escapes outside to hide where she calls me. I know her very well so I know she’s not faking so I drive out and mentally prepare for the extraction mission. This woman was terrified for good reason I might add.

As I was driving to her place, I knew I was now functionally playing the role of White Knight without any wormy manipulative “I will win back her heart!” baggage on my part. My only care is helping a friend in distress.

I arrive. I went into the situation blind as she had hung up on me in fear after he had come out with a flashlight screaming and looking for her. I walk up to the door and ring the doorbell. Chad answers. Chad reeked of the alcohol streaming from his breath. His eyes glassy as marbles leave me thinking he’s coked up too. I employ simple Jedi mind tricks to disorient Chad. Chad goes back into the house.

As I go back to my car, my ex is sitting in it. I drive her to a restaurant and buy her some dinner and then dropped her off at a female friend’s place to spend the night. I calmed her down and left her safe for now.

So I find myself in a unique situation. I have a little controlled White Knight experiment going on here. The two women I told about it went into this weird state upon learning of my escapades dreaming of romance. It was definitely pushing their buttons. Even my ex got taken in by it to a degree too.

She has a very long road ahead of her. She is just now awakening to the fact that hitching herself long term to an abusive Chad T. was not exactly the best choice.

I know I was put in a f~~~ed up position. Still I’d fetch her again as it was the right thing to do for that situation. Chad has now reassumed control. He is promising to change for the 10,000th time. I’m glad I don’t do relationships anymore.

Conclusion: White Knighting is possibly effective to some degree as a manipulation tactic. Of course, I now have the red pill attitude so that may have skewed the results. PUAs are invited to further explore my observation for any possible usefulness to the PUA community.

[RoyDalParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

As I was driving to her place, I knew I was now functionally playing the role of White Knight without any wormy manipulative “I will win back her heart!” baggage on my part. My only care is helping a friend in distress.

That is not a White Knight in my opinion. That is a friend helping a friend in need. IMO, they are not the same thing.

Anonymous wrote:

Chad reeked of the alcohol streaming from his breath. His eyes glassy as marbles leave me thinking he’s coked up too.

Whoo doggies!

Anonymous wrote:

I employ simple Jedi mind tricks to disorient Chad. Chad goes back into the house.

Good move! I wish I had that skill. I’ve had to rely on my martial arts training, the sound-thrashing kind, in confrontational situations.

Anonymous wrote:

I know I was put in a f~~~ed up position. Still I’d fetch her again as it was the right thing to do for that situation.

You did the right thing: You prevented harm to another human being. Whatever she and Chad do in the future is no blame upon you. BTW, summoning law enforcement and staying out from now on might be a good call. I believe Chad will only escalate his abuse, and you are not a trained professional. Let the cops and social services handle it. Even so, I totally agree with your choice of action thus far.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[Anonymous 11]

Thanks Roy. I needed to hear that.

FYI: My college fraternity nickname was Obi Wan by the way for this very reason.

I agree on calling out LEO the next time too. Chad won’t like it, but I really don’t care what Chad likes.

[MattNYCParticipant 2329]

RoyDal wrote:

That is not a White Knight in my opinion. That is a friend helping a friend in need

It’s only White Knighting when you’re defending m’lady’s honor in hopes of recognition, sex or some such, and that contract is assumed by one side, & not agreed to by the other side (aka “covert contract”).

If it’s “Hey X, i’m in a jam & need some help” that’s just friendship.

If it’s “Hey X, I’ll buy you dinner if you help me move my couch” that’s business.

If it’s “OMG you’re in a jam? I’ll help right away!” … and i really hope she blows me because i’m showing her what a nice guy i am. –> That’s WK’ing.

[RoyDalParticipant]

So, Obi Wan, if you happen to have a spare lightsaber, can I have it? Pleeezee?! In all seriousness, rescuing anyone (male or female) from physical harm is a good deed. If they choose to return to their abuser, then that is their problem not yours. If the violence escalates, then that is why modern civilization set up battered women’s’ shelters.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[Anonymous 11]

I just ordered one for you Roy.

I’ve been planting red pills in her which seem to be sprouting. She’s actively looking into going to therapy now to help fix “what’s wrong with me” to quote her.

She’s back now, and I’m not loosing any sleep over it. She is beginning to wake up though whereas she was in total denial. As for now, I am laying low ready to feed her even more red pills. Chad does not like what happened, and he is spinning things. He’s not mad at me either.

She does need to get some DV help for herself. I will try to steer her there. I do have a lot of influence with her.

I felt White Knight stained so I’m glad you guys have come through with good advice too.

[uchibenkeiParticipant 7965]

i would have called the police. drunk chad could have a gun and you get yourself shot and for what? let the police earn their pay.

I bathe in the tears of single moms.

[Anonymous 11]

I know for a fact this Chad doesn’t have a gun, but your point is so spot on true. Part of my calculus in taking this risk was to keep Chad away from the system too. The system really is not of much aid for these situations, actually. Chad gets run into jail, so what, he’s been there before. He will be set free. My ex will let him back in, and we’re right back to square one.

I’ve always been magnetically drawn to potentially dangerous situations so that part does not phase me as long as I can control the risks concerning going into one. I had this bend as a child too. My main recreational hobby can be quite deadly if things go awry. That’s just part of my personality. I would have called the law though if I even thought guns would be involved. Sometimes you just have to chance things.

I’ve been sapping at Chad’s position for 6 months now ever since I learned exactly what she is involved in. She hides it. He and I are friends too. I don’t like what I’m doing, but I have to do it. I’m slipping back into the shadows again waiting for my next red pill feeding opportunity. I’m working for a longer term solution like getting her into counseling. She’s post Wall and has thrown away everything that women value for Chad. The Wall is a very cruel place for these women. She is hooked on Chad like an addict. The dynamics of an abusive relationship are identical no matter if a man or woman are being abused.

Chad is a lost cause though I wish he would prove me wrong.

Yes, lurkers the evil MGTOWs are actually concerned about a woman in a domestic violence situation. Who would think? Wait my Mom is calling me up from the basement. My laundry is ready plus I’m a nearly 50 year old gay virgin too. Gotta go……

[JimboParticipant 162]

Yeah, that is something interesting to consider. BTW, I love the icon pic. I am sure Gloria would die of a heart attack though.

[Anonymous 11]

@Lodoss. It is going our own way though I was waiting for a Brother like you to throw some MGTOW heat on me.

1- You still maintain a close friendship with your ex?
-Yes, I do. I dumped every woman in my life except any who truly reciprocate. She was the only one standing after the cull..
2- She calls you in distress and you run to “help her” ?
-Yes, I did. I did the right thing. There are some other things I am not posting. She needs counseling actually.
3- Her Boyfriend is in the house drunk and you confront him?
-Yep, I’m a smooth talking dude who knows how to handle people.
4- You are alone with her in the car?
-Yes, nothing happened nor will it ever.
5-You invite her for dinner in a restaurant and pay for it?
-She left her house with no money and had not eaten. I feed the hungry. It really was not an invitation to it. She had no shoes so she ate in the parking lot.
6-You again are alone with her in your car driving her to somewhere safe.
-Yep, I’ve also been alone with her on other occasions too.
7- She goes back to her boyfriend.
-She truly has deep issues. I’d f~~~ing send a bitch packing the first time she tried a stunt with me.

1- Why are you even talking to your ex? close friends?? gimme a break.
I’m not a MGHOW monk. If a woman can treat me with respect, I will socialize with her on my terms.
2- Why are you helping her? you wana prove to her how good you are and that she should be back to you?
-Please read my opening statement again. There is nothing I want in return.
3- Her boyfriend could be plotting to get you killed as we speak right now, so the next time you rush to her rescue you better wear a bullet proof vest.
-He won’t. In fact, I called him yesterday very cordial conversation. I know him very well too.
4- She could say to her boyfriend that you kidnapped her, worse, she could even say you rapped her.
-I’ve known her for like 25 years after that amount of time you even figure a woman out pretty well too. No risk of this here.
5- Some women get a kick out of an abusive relationship , even worse some get a kick when they put two men against each other fighting for her pussy, so be careful.
-This woman just thinks she can save him. I will not allow myself to be drawn into a physical altercation. Very true too. I ran this scenario through my mind and do not think it is a governing factor here. I agree they get off on it.
6- I used to think of you as one of the leading role models on this website, my admiration for you is crushed under your white knight armor.
-This a good. So much time has passed since we were involved that I don’t have those feelings for her. White Knights have ulterior motives. There is a division among us where some choose to avoid women completely. I am not that way. I will never marry, but if a woman will treat me with respect. I have no problems . I can handle the stupid female crap easily, but I demand respect which even goes for my relationships with men too.
7- I am rude to you out of brotherly love, It is very clear that the red pill didn’t go all the way down and is still stuck in your throat somewhere.
-That’s good man, and I appreciate it. I need some red pill heat on my ass right now. That’s why I posted this crap so thanks for stepping up with a whopping dose of it. I am known for throwing out rules to accomplish a goal. I do it with ease. It drives some people crazy about me.

I do value you red pill purists coming back at me. Just for background, I have reached a point in my red pill development where I am stoically neutral towards women. I know how treacherous they can be.

Helping a woman is not White Knighting. I will in the future provide other women who are worthy help too. My own way is that I will not ever surrender my sovereignty to anyone woman, man, or corporation.

I figured this would stir the pot up for us. Something different.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

Well, get up from the couch in your mothers basement, if you can with those 50 year old legs of yours and take a p~~~ with that virgin dick and look in the mirror because you’re lucky you have a head on your shoulders (I’m joking).

Seriously, you put yourself into a situation that most police will not touch without 2 other back up cars coming along with them.

It’s great you have a good relationship with your ex. I have two ex’s and a good relationship with one. The other is not a hateful relationship, it’s just no relationship.

You put yourself in great personal danger and next time he’ll know your there on an extraction mission and will possibly nail your ass when he sees you.

Drunk coked up men and women are some of the most dangerous species on the planet.

I applaud you on your intention but I don’t recommend to men on here to confront drunk high men fighting with their wives. It could easily have gone very badly for you, her and him.

So, open up a cold one and enjoy the fact that this time you helped but I don’t advise doing it again.

We all gotta go our own way here so there’s that.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[OneforfreedomParticipant 930]

C-Pig, I respect you a ton, man. Let me be clear about that, first of all. You’re one of the posters on MGTOW that I have learned a lot from.

Re. this situation- I would have probably handled it slightly differently- called the cops.

The thing is- here’s the way I see it. You’re her ex right? Now imagine this night from her current boyfriend’s perspective. He just saw her use you as leverage to make him look bad. He also probably knows that you took her out to dinner and paid for it on your own dime. You think he likes you right now? Of course not.

And of course, you shouldn’t give a f~~~ what he thinks about you- but if he can lose control and get drunk and make her feel endangered, think about what he can do to you.

To him, you’re someone who is romantically interested in her (because you dated her in the past) and want to get in her pants (because you showed up and dined her immediately when she called).

Also, I would ask one thing- WHY did this female not call her female friends to pick her up? The one whose house you dropped her off at- why didn’t she call that one? Why did she call YOU- her ex-boyfriend?

Someone in another thread posted that “women love to get men fighting”; it is my sentiment that this is the situation playing out here.

I would advise extreme caution in any future interaction with this women, and a full-scale withdrawal from any friendship the two of you have.

[Anonymous 11]

Women = drama

You risk your freedom.

Very true, Stealth. The drama was actually the hardest part of this on me.

I threw this out here for two reasons:

1) I need cold hard red pill punches to keep me on the right path right now. I’ve been clutching red pill to get me through it.
2) Even though we choose to walk away, we sometimes have leak through events. Unless you go live on a mountaintop, you will interface with women. We must be able to handle them.

This is not something I normally do by the way.

[Anonymous 11]

@Everyone:

I fully agree with everything everyone is saying. I do want clear up the dinner thing though as there is some confusion here.

It was not a dinner date. I simply went in and picked up a bag of food for her. She reimbursed me for all expenses the next day.

Chad and I have had conversations about my friendship with her. He knows I have no designs on her. In fact, he was responsible for us becoming friends after many years of she and I not speaking.

I actually live only a 5 minute drive from their house. I am friends with them both which puts me in a friggin’ weird place. I agree about Chad’s feelings. Hell, even protecting Chad from his own stupidity was part of it for me.

I’m going to take everything you write into account. I cannot have my friends’ DV problems spilling over into my life. This is bulls~~~.

Life is just not as simple as we’d like to be. I just posted this as it’s an example of relations~~~ drama, and a real world example that affects me. Don’t worry false rape and me being killed are not even on the radar.

[Anonymous 11]

Puffin Stuff wrote:

I applaud you on your intention but I don’t recommend to men on here to confront drunk high men fighting with their wives. It could easily have gone very badly for you, her and him.

@HRP: Thanks for the reality slap, Brother. I totally agree with your observation that Chad will anticipate any more extraction attempts.

Do not attempt what I did. It is potentially very dangerous. Domestics are a police officer’s least favorite calls. The only reason I did it was that I know each person intimately, and how they tick whereupon I can use that information to mindf~~~ them. It’s a crazy skill I’ve always had. I usually keep it in a box. This was Chad’s only chance. I will call police the next time. She’s also had his parents intervene on prior occasions.

Just reading your replies to this insanity, is very important to me. They both are the cause of this. It’s time for them to fix it by whatever means necessary. My actions were nothing but a band-aid.

[Anonymous 11]

Thanks Lodoss.

Survivor’s comparison to a circus act is quite valid. Even though I have very strong people handling skills, and am very cool under fire, what I did was very risky with no gain for me other than some nebulous may have stopped some random chain of events BS.

It might be OK to have helped her, but that was the one and only freebie they’ll ever get from me here. I’m calling the f~~~ing cops next time too much f~~~ing stress on me.

Thanks everyone, I needed the red pill beatings. This is one of those edge cases that really has no correct answer. Leaving her in the woods has problems, calling the cops has problems, and doing it myself has problems. It f~~~ing sucks.

I’m keeping my lips zipped in our social circle to keep Chad’s honor intact It looks really bad on the surface though there is nothing there. I popped it up on this board as a test case for random reactions to it. Many of you responded in ways that I have already gamed so thanks. This is a very messy situation, and your knowledge is going to be very valuable for protecting myself.

I’m going to ghost on them both for a few weeks. No hard feelings on my part, but I just can’t take the drama. Drama is my kryptonite.

I really can’t thank everyone enough.

Also, to those who like my rants. I am but mortal. I will make more rants though. This has been a huge burden on me made a little lighter by this fine community.

[Mr. SpockParticipant 10907]

Sir, I feel you did the right thing. Had this been a male friend in need of back-up, you would have helped the same right? Had this been a female relative of yours, you would’ve rendered assistance right? In my opinion, you weren’t playing CSAH or White Knighting because your intent or goal was not to have sex but to help a friend. I am relatively new to the MGTOW community but I feel that Going Your Own Way does not mean turning your back on a human being simply because they are a woman. It means Going Your Own Way and only YOU choose what that way is. Choosing peace and helping one other is what makes MGTOW members strong.

Feminism isn't about equality with men, it's about leverage over men.

[Anonymous 11]

Mr. Spock wrote:

Had this been a male friend in need of back-up, you would have helped the same right?

Thanks Spock. Yes, I would have done the same thing for him too. Even on my way out I contemplated how I was doing this for him too. This dispute had a decent chance of getting the law involved since it went outside the home. The last thing he needs is to go to jail trust me on that one.

I just spoke with a mutual friend who knows him. He’s OK with what I did, but he also hit on some of the points the other brothers made too which I fully agree are valid. He was impressed with my moxy as this Chad is known to have a mean right hook.

I entered a very dangerous situation, no doubt. Red pill makes me highly suspicious of her motivations too for good reason even though I know she was not faking this. She’s not the most evil woman in the world, but she is still very capable of female guile and using this incident to manipulate poor Chaddie for her own means.

I have spoken with Chad. He and I are personally OK which is good. He knows that I am just a platonic friend of hers as we have had a number of conversations over the years about this. I am also concerned with how she is going to spin this on him. Anything is possible with a woman.

I’d like to sit them both down and tell them your problems are now affecting other people. Quit your stupid bickering and either mend it or end it.

They both put me in a position where I can not win no matter what. Do nothing, LOSE! Take his or her side LOSE! Call the police LOSE! Ride over and help either one flee LOSE!

I guess since we have split on the White Knighting call. I’m going to go with white knighting w/o manipulative intent.

Again thanks to all. I am taking all comments to help develop my strategic response to it. At least I’m livening up our Sunday with a story that does not mention Patriarchy.

I’m ghosting for a few weeks on them both. No hard feelings, but this is not a good place for me to be.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

It depends on whether you divorced her or she kicked you to the curb. If you were bad to her and you are trying to make good Karma it is one thing. If she ran out on you and divorce raped you, its WK.

That being said my personal code requires me to help someone in danger (but not risk my life), but calling the cops would clear my conscience.

Besides she doesn’t need a man.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[Anonymous 11]

Jan Sobieski wrote:

calling the cops would clear my conscience.

Thanks man. Calling the cops would have gotten me in bigger trouble within my social circle than what I did. I literally can’t win either way. There never was any real risk to my life. Also, I never was married to her. That relations~~~ was so far in the past it’s water under the bridge long since gone. I agree she does not need a man. She needs to get into therapy to figure herself out and maybe have a better life.

This event has inflicted unwanted drama into my life. I was presented multiple choices of action none of which were good with all having negative blowback potential for me. Let this be an example of the chaos that emanates from women.

I don’t know what I’m going to do s there is little I can do other than protect myself. Ghosting is to give space and remove myself. The advice here is being taken into full consideration for my strategy.

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