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Have you ever noticed you never hear a man say where have all the good women gone?
So true.
Women are incapable of self evaluation/introspection. So rather than looking at themselves and wondering why they aren’t attracting the caliber of man they want, they look and project outward –
“What’s wrong w/all of these MEN!”
I can’t tell you how many times I’ve heard women complaining about being single and stating the typical tripe –
“I’m just too INTIMIDATING”
“I’m just too BEAUTIFUL”
“I’m just too FABULOUS”
Anything but stick a mirror in front of her own face and question herself.
You’ll never hear a man say such things. If there’s no descent women around, worthy of his time and commitment, we just walk away.
Resident cynic.
When it comes to women I am a very bad man. I have no respect.
#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.
Anonymous42When it comes to women I am a very bad man. I have no respect.
Bad is good says the War Department.
Anonymous2“Good men” are men that accept a subservient role, and therefore are looked down on because of it. Women constantly bitch that will “treat them right” a.k.a. be a mangina – but that’s not what they want at all in a sexual partner.
By bowing down to her, you’re admitting that she is superior to you, which in turn makes her look down on you. In her eyes, she is a queen and you are merely a peasant. Being a mangina flies right in the face of the traditional protector/provider role that women thirst for. Some guy that’s pussy whipped from day one doesn’t come across as the type of guy she wants to rely on to keep her safe. If you can’t stand up to a woman, how the f~~~ are you going to measure up to another man? She’ll happily string you along to use you as an emotional tampon, though.
If you ask a woman to describe what a ‘good dog’ is, she’ll probably use terms like: consistently protective, blindly loyal, easily trainable and obedient. Ask her to describe a ‘good man’ and the terms are not much different. Each provides her a necessary service in exchange for an occasional pat on the head and some table scraps. Neither gets reciprocal loyalty at even a fraction of what’s expected by her.
As soon as either one fails to provide the service, one phone call either to the Vet’, or to the police, and she’s ready for a new pet dog, or a new pet man. The job done by the Vet on the dog, or the man by the police… are not much different.Women once attempted to train me that way. But they left too much slack in the chain, and didn’t deliver enough table scraps. I didn’t train well. I wasn’t blindly loyal or obedient.
I got off the chain and took myself for a nice long walk. I found that I could hunt down on my own anything I needed with much less effort than I was required to make for those occasional table scraps.
So, you can blow that whistle and ring that dinner bell all you want, ladies. I will not be returning to that chain. I protect and provide and make efforts to serve only my own needs now, and it is a GLORIOUS existence for me. So stand there in the yard with your chewed up table scraps in one hand, and that empty leash in the other, with that dumb ass look on your face, whistling as loud and you can and complaining about, ‘Where have all the good doggies gone?’.
It is not tempting, but it is highly entertaining…
Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
If you ask a woman to describe what a ‘good dog’ is, she’ll probably use terms like: consistently protective, blindly loyal, easily trainable and obedient. Ask her to describe a ‘good man’ and the terms are not much different. Each provides her a necessary service in exchange for an occasional pat on the head and some table scraps. Neither gets reciprocal loyalty at even a fraction of what’s expected by her.
As soon as either one fails to provide the service, one phone call either to the Vet’, or to the police, and she’s ready for a new pet dog, or a new pet man. The job done by the Vet on the dog, or the man by the police… are not much different.Women once attempted to train me that way. But they left too much slack in the chain, and didn’t deliver enough table scraps. I didn’t train well. I wasn’t blindly loyal or obedient.
I got off the chain and took myself for a nice long walk. I found that I could hunt down on my own anything I needed with much less effort than I was required to make for those occasional table scraps.
So, you can blow that whistle and ring that dinner bell all you want, ladies. I will not be returning to that chain. I protect and provide and make efforts to serve only my own needs now, and it is a GLORIOUS existence for me. So stand there in the yard with your chewed up table scraps in one hand, and that empty leash in the other, with that dumb ass look on your face, whistling as loud and you can and complaining about, ‘Where have all the good doggies gone?’.
It is not tempting, but it is highly entertaining…
Great post.
I second EVERY WORD!
In my childhood I had 100’s of women tear and violently pull my leash to make me kiss their asses and “comply” with their constant insults. Until I started biting them and questioning if these creatures are even worth to be alive.
From then on, even the attempt to put a leash on me would get doggie to bite and tear up that leash with his teeth.
Life is so wonderful and rich without stupid and worthless c~~~s in it.
Once the world is run by c~~~s, every creature on this planet is doomed.
Time for all men to stop playing their enablers.
In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim
Reading that screamed personality disorder,………but that is the average woman these days. 1950’s movie comes to mind,..All about Eve.
It is the path woman have made for themselves. More and more men see it and want nothing at all to do with it.
mgtow is its own worst enemy- https://www.campusreform.org/
Going through the article, I found this golden reddit thread that I think is worth reposting here for our laughs and the education of newbies and lurkers:
Kindly stolen/borrowed from: https://www.reddit.com/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen/comments/68ma6k/how_to_spot_carol_on_the_interwebz/
For those of you doing online dating for an LTR (or if you just like to browse), I would like to share my experience on how to spot women looking for a “Good Man”, but who also rode the carousel and dated jerks in their past.
Spotting Carol
The most basic indicator for spotting Carol is that she’ll say she’s looking for a “Good Man” or a “Real Man”, while also complaining about the jerks she used to date.
She will usually be in her 30s or older, and her dating profile will include certain key words and phrases to indicate a history on the carousel (or her need for financial stability):
“Good Man” (who she’s currently looking for): “good man”, “real man”, “nice guy”, “nice man”, “good guy”, “decent man”, “decent guy”, “mature man”, “quality man”, “honest man”, “gentleman”, “best friend”, “prince charming”, “Mr. Right”, “man of my dreams”, “soul mate”, “a man not a boy”, “that special someone”, “a man with substance”, “good-hearted”, “good listener”, “goal-oriented”, “caring”, “kind”, “respectful”, “dependable”, “responsible”
“Jerks” (who she used to date): “jerks”, “bad boys”, “f~~~ boys”, “party boys”, “boy toys”, “assholes”, “douchebags”, “bastards”, “liars”, “losers”, “bums”, “players”, “cheaters”, “two-timers”, “womanizers”, “abusers”, “Mr. Wrong”, “wrong men”, “wrong guys”, “wife beaters”
“Tired”: “Tired of the games”, “Tired of jerks who only want sex”, “Tired of being taken advantage of”, “Sick and tired of being hurt”, “Tired of being taken for granted”, “I’m through with all the games”, “I’m done dating jerks”
“No time for games”: “I don’t have time for games”, “Life is too short”, “I’m not getting any younger”
“I’m ready”: “I’m ready for a real man”, “I’m ready for a serious relationship”, “I’m ready to meet the man of my dreams”, “I’m in one of the best places of my life”, “It’s time for me to settle down”, “I’m ready for something real”, “I’m at a good place in my life”, “I’m ready to settle down”
“Single by choice”: “I’m single by choice”, “I’m alone by choice”, “I’ve been single for X years”, “I’ve lived alone for X years”, “I needed to find myself”, “I needed to rediscover myself”, “I needed to find me again”, (“Single” does not mean she’s not getting sex. Every woman who brags about how happy she is being single is riding the carousel. No exceptions.)
“Good Girl”: “I’m a good girl”, “I’m not like the other women here”, “I’m a good woman”, “I’m a mature woman”, “I’m a lady”, “I’m not here for sex”, “I’m not that kind of girl”, “I respect myself”, “I’m not easy”, “I’m not a slut”
“Kids”: “I have 2 kids who are my world”, “I have a daughter who is my everything”, “I have a son who is first in my life”, “I’m a stay at home mom”, “My children come first”
Other statements: “I’ve dated jerks in the past”, “I’ve been hurt too many times”, “I’ve been with a lot of jerks”, “I just got out of a bad relationship”
And of course there’s The Big Question: “Where are all the Good Men?”, “What happened to all the Nice Guys?”, “Where are the Real Men at?”, “Where have all the Good Men gone?”, or the statement “A good man is hard to find.”
And as LewisCross pointed out in the comments, Carol’s pics will usually include cleavage, lots of skin, tattoos and dressing slutty (though some women will attempt to hide this). There’s also the likelihood of her pics being taken a few years ago so she appears younger (several years if she’s much older).
Here are some example profiles to illustrate all the points above: (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10)
Carol can even be spotted right here on Reddit: (1, 2, 3)
Even a cursory search on Google using any combination of the above terms will yield an abundance of Carols looking for a “Good Man”, with most dating and social media sites having their own search engines that return more accurate results:
“good man” “jerks”
“tired of the games” “real man”
“Where are all the good men” “jerks”
As was said in the The Life Story of Carol, women who rode the carousel generally don’t make good long-term partners because they’re self-serving, disrespectful, unappreciative, they aren’t good homemakers, and they aren’t committed. And just like her relationships with friendzoned men, she will want the LTR to be all about her like a pampered baby. So these are women you should avoid giving your commitment to.
Spotting snowflakes
So how can you tell a woman didn’t ride the carousel? That she had fewer partners and longer commitments? Well first off to be blunt, if she’s attractive and grew up in an English-speaking country with minimal constraints on her behavior, then she was likely a carousel rider, or at the very least engaged in some serial monogamy.
But to answer the question, and granted it’s not a perfect indication because women won’t necessarily confess their sexual history in a dating profile, but in general a way to tell a woman might have had fewer partners and longer commitments is she won’t complain about the jerks she used to date or come across as judgmental. She won’t portray herself as a victim of dating “bad men”. Her focus is finding a Good Man, so her dating description is written with that focus to the exclusion of all other men, which would also suggest to some extent that she dated decent men she doesn’t need to bash online. Other general indicators include she doesn’t have tattoos, short hair, dyed hair, or unusual piercings, she dresses decent and not slutty, she had a conservative upbringing, very family-oriented, and she has a good, close relationship with both mom and dad. (example)
Again, not a perfect indication, but if you’re looking for an LTR, I would recommend starting with women who give a generally long but positive dating description, without complaining or bringing up problems from her past.
I intend to write a more detailed analysis of Carol’s wording, but until then be careful out there in your online dating endeavors.
In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim
THIS IS GOLD:
I have been though all of this. 20 years of eating out in restaurants twice a day got me to see (and meet) all of this in real life and every word is true.
Comment by LewisCross from above reddit thread:
Spotting Carols:
“My kids come first and any man I get with has to understand and accept that”
“Want to do it the right way this time”
“I promise I’ll be worth the wait”
“Don’t waste my time”
“No hookups/not interested in hookups”
“I’ve been hurt before”
Photos show lots of skin or cleavage
Has tattoos and shows them in online photos
watch out for these Carol subcategories:
The biker chick (photos of her dressed in riding leathers or posing with bikes. These women are accustomed to hanging around with, partying with, and f~~~ing, BAMFs who would just as soon knife you as look at you — but a lot of these women are just into riding on the weekends and aren’t hardcore. That said, she’s still gone to bed with one or more of those Harley bad boys.)
The world traveler (profile talks about traveling or photos of exotic locales in profile. These women have done at least a little sex tourism, traveling and meeting hot men for easy no strings attached sex)
The professional woman (profile talks about her career and how busy she is, keeps odd hours, career comes first, has long list of activities and areas she is NOT interested in. This type of woman is accustomed to high octane high powered professional men of high status, power and wealth. Is accustomed to all the perks of that lifestyle including expensive, high-end entertainment, meals, nights out and travel. She will expect to be entertained in that fashion and will expect you to spend the money and time on it, regardless of her ability to pay. Professional women are also uniformly bitchy, demanding, and high maintenance.)
The animal lover (posts photos of pets. You’ll come second after her pets. Has a pathological obsession with treating her pets like children. Especially avoid equestriennes, or women who love, care for, own and/or ride horses. They are true fanatics. And horses are insanely expensive. She’ll demand you support her horse habit.)
In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim
Being a good man has nothing to do with your temperment, how you treat people or upbringing.
It’s about money, and a little about looks and possibly social status.
When (if) a woman sees you as “high value” you can do whatever you want. She’ll even share you. Why do you think rock stars can just walk up and grab a woman by the p***.
I’m dating a couple women right now, who know I’m dating others. (They might be too, I don’t care)That subreddit was quite interesting. It confirms what I already thought I knew but it’s been fun to read.
I never ask a woman about her history, she’s going to lie anyways.
Tired.
The most ironic aspect is that many women delude themselves into thinking that they’re just as happy as men w/the ONS/casual sex.
Yup, both sexes are entirely delusional about that. Men go into old age alone and so do women. The whole thing is broken. I can see why men think they have the one-up, no strings attached sex… but I don’t find it amusing at all that the only intercourse on offer is with loose women who probably have an STD. I this is why I rave about MGTOW being mainly Monk, because PUA behavior is the exact thing keeping male SMP value low. Stop laying these c~~~s, stop poisoning the well, let demand for men rise. But they like it all low and s~~~ty like that. They think with their dicks.
if women no longer offer men monogamy through a sanctified marriage, then they are viewed solely for casual sexual purposes/ONS.
It’s true and false at the same time. Women are inferior for sure but they are more than just a lay and a sandwich maker. I also agree that Traditionalism sold women short of their utility. Barbarossa used to talk about that.
They project their own ideals of what they find attractive in a man, onto themselves; as though any man has any of the above on his list for what he finds attractive in a female.
LOL so true bro
voluntarily seared their conscious w/a proverbial hot iron – we call it the 1,000 c~~~ stare
LMAO
Its all confusing but I just stay away from chicks because every time I meet one, they have an attitude or are clearly unintelligent. I just don’t see the point of dealing with them
It’s true and false at the same time. Women are inferior for sure but they are more than just a lay and a sandwich maker. I also agree that Traditionalism sold women short of their utility. Barbarossa used to talk about that.
They are when they demonstrate they are. Our women have entitlement complexes and no desire to acquire useful skills or add any value to another person’s life. It’s all egocentrism. They demand their partner be funny, successful, handsome, supportive, and motivated while they live off their Instagram likes.
They really aren’t more than either a sport f~~~. They can’t even make a decent sandwich anymore.
This is why I’m a monk.
Cupcakes are Cold. MGTOW is Absolute Zero.
“Let us wait a little; when your enemy is executing a false movement, never interrupt him” –Napoleon Bonaparte, 1805They are when they demonstrate they are
I hear you bro, I agree to your post.
We’re just musing about the shortcomings of the Traditionalist system, you know that 50’s pipedream where things seemed to work. Though it was better than now, it still had major flaws Barbarossa used to talk about.
For men, we were still just tools. Human ‘doings’ to slave away nine to five while Mrs. Jones hung out at the house totally underutilized. We all know the arguments but women pose more use to the species than homemakers. This is why we sometimes refer to the other version of Feminism, the “good” feminism. They just took it to the extreme and rather than highlighting female attributes and finding a niche for them in the economy, feminists just sought to take men’s spot instead…
But yeah I get it, todays young women are doubly useless. They can no longer work a kitchen, suck at all male professions and they ditched motherhood, or seek to raise kids with the State as the daddy…
Where have all the good men gone? LOL …more like, what have women become?
It’s true and false at the same time. Women are inferior for sure but they are more than just a lay and a sandwich maker. I also agree that Traditionalism sold women short of their utility. Barbarossa used to talk about that.
They are when they demonstrate they are. Our women have entitlement complexes and no desire to acquire useful skills or add any value to another person’s life. It’s all egocentrism. They demand their partner be funny, successful, handsome, supportive, and motivated while they live off their Instagram likes. Wait, I take it back… they do have stuff to offer… headaches and STDs.
They really aren’t more than either a sport f~~~. They can’t even make a decent sandwich anymore.
This is why I’m a monk.
Yes, they offer you nothing (except for headaches and STDs) but expect the world from you. This is why we’re walking away.
Being a good man is overrated.
Men are now just mocking c~~~s now. Their actions are having consequences.
Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.
Every time a woman says “good man”, all I hear is “chump”.
All these single mommies? this could be a reaction to Trumps welfare cuts.
Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.
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