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Reddit Subreddit – Where Are All The Good Men?
Home Page:
https://www.reddit.com/r/WhereAreAllTheGoodMen/
This is a pretty hilarious sub. Incidentally this forum is where the term ‘Carol‘ comes from, as best as I can tell.
Below is the forums theme song:
From their about page:
(EDIT – for some reason, unfortunately none of the hyperlinks in the below body of text are showing up. They’re all quite good)
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About:
We’re just a bunch of clueless Nice Guys™ with kindness coins that don’t seem to work in women’s holes, so that the sex we’re entitled to falls out. Because we weren’t demonstrating good relationship material through the respect and courtesy that women demand. We were only “pretending” to be nice just to get laid.In response to r/niceguys, this sub is dedicated to exposing all the women who complain about wanting a “Good Man” after dating jerks and riding the c~~~ carousel in the prime of their youth, and think they’re deserving of commitment and financial stability when all they have left to offer is their depreciated looks, narcissistic mentality, and used-up vaginas.
Women in their 20s have multiple opportunities to date the decent men they claim to want,[1][2][3] but they consistently reject or friendzone these men for jerks and bad boys who pump and dump them.[1][2][3] She strings along the Nice Guy for attention and favors, then accuses him of thinking he was entitled to sex just for being nice.
But when she’s in her 30s with depreciated looks, jerks who won’t commit, the likelihood of being a single mom, and the social pressure from her married peers, she asks “Where have all the good men gone?”[1][2] Funny how back when she was chasing the bad boys for a good time he was a “pathetic Nice Guy” unworthy of dating, but now that she’s past her prime and needs a bailout he’s a “Real Man” who treats her with respect.
What’s more, dating jerks and riding the carousel before settling down with a Good Man is deliberately planned by women,[1][2][3] and encouraged by feminists, which only results in carousel riders bringing their self-serving, unappreciative, unstable behavior into long-term relationships.Sorry m’ladies! The Good Men you rejected are waking up to the bulls~~~ and moving on to younger women and happier lives. The rest are checking out of a gynocentric society that dishonors them through false accusations, divorce rape, rampant hypergamy, and discrimination. Thy pussy pass hath been denied. <tips fedora>
(Learn more about women asking “Where have all the good men gone?” in The Life Story of Carol).
Resident cynic.

Anonymous42Good men and unicorns don’t exist anymore, now it’s just us and them!
Declining women in their 30s who ignored you but now want you to want them, are like the last solitary crappy cheap frozen pizza in the grocery store freezer. Its a brand you liked when you were a small child and stupid about what good pizza actually was.
Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.
And, the essay entitled The Life Story of Carol is both spot on and an entertaining read. Link below:
Resident cynic.
Women don’t want a good man.
Women only want a good man’s wallet.
As a woman’s sexual market value diminishes, she becomes desperate to secure resources. Enjoy the manginas sweetie.
Great read. 🙂
They can shove their friendzone where all the chads have been.
Who wants to be a good man?
F~~~ that.
which only results in carousel riders bringing their self-serving, unappreciative, unstable behavior into long-term relationships.
Oh they’re not that long term.
You can expect them to file for divorce the moment they can cash out for the big alimony payout.
Who wants to be a good man?
No-one; at least by the definition given to us by the modern ‘Carol’.
F~~~ that.
Exactly.
What’s written in their ‘about’ page is tongue-in cheek/irreverent humor, and I’m sure you got that.
I greatly enjoy reading other forums who share exactly our perspective on these concepts.
Quite a few gems on that site.
The Manosphere is MUCH larger than many of us think or are aware of.
Hope you guys enjoy reading it as well.
Resident cynic.
This sub reddit seriously delivers.
I can’t stop laughing at some of their comments…
From a thread on a chicks dating site:
“Personality”: Princess
Comment: Of what kingdom, loneliness?LOL!
Thread below:
[22F] "You will never be good enough for my 3 kids and tell me if you arn’t going to have enough time to raise them so I can use my Chad-to-Beta hamster ratio on how much sex you are going to get." from WhereAreAllTheGoodMen
Resident cynic.
Reddit has several red pill subs going strong, everytime i come across one it brings a smile to my face, seeing the roots of MGTOW knowledge getting plenty of water.
http://register-her.net/web/guest/home
“She says one thing and does another”
Also known as NO INTEGRITY
Very astute write up on modern whimyn. Thank you!
Untamed wrote: Quit complaining and Go Your Own Way in whatever manner suits you best.

Anonymous38The good men f~~~ed off once you started behaving like c~~~s.
Let’s put a line through that one now please ladies, ok?
“MGTOW: Where have all the good women gone?”
by Raging Golden Eagle
In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim
The answer still hasn’t changed: They’re in your early twenties where you left them. Enjoy the next 50 years with your dildo, cats, and frozen pizza for one.
Cupcakes are Cold. MGTOW is Absolute Zero.
“Let us wait a little; when your enemy is executing a false movement, never interrupt him” –Napoleon Bonaparte, 1805Have you ever noticed you never hear a man say where have all the good women gone? That’s because we all know, the only good woman is a gone woman. The next time I hear some snowflake ask where all the good men went, I’m going to hand her a Ken doll.
"Don't follow in my footsteps...I stepped in something."
Have you ever noticed you never hear a man say where have all the good women gone? That’s because we all know, the only good woman is a gone woman. The next time I hear some snowflake ask where all the good men went, I’m going to hand her a Ken doll.
My answer….”You remember that guy in 2B who was always just kind of there when you wanted him, and how you put on a low-cut top to get him to move your fridge and program your microwave, and when you would stumble home at 4am drunk and high, he’d get your apartment door open for you because you were too stupid to work a key? You remember how he never asked you for anything and you always had that nagging thought in the back of your head that if he did, you’d f~~~ him stupid, but nothing ever happened? That nerd started a small business, made a million dollars, moved to Florida, and bought a Ski-Doo. He’s currently sport f~~~ing 19 year old college girls on spring break and selling the videos to Girls Gone Wild for the fun of it. You could have married him 15 years ago when he was starting out and had nothing, but you wanted a pre-fab dude with washboard abs and two billion dollars. So that’s where the good men are. You taught them to be like the men you used to f~~~, and now they’re using coeds like you used them. F~~~ you, enjoy your dildo and cats.”
Cupcakes are Cold. MGTOW is Absolute Zero.
“Let us wait a little; when your enemy is executing a false movement, never interrupt him” –Napoleon Bonaparte, 1805Good read, a little obscene but nails down some truths.
One thing that always strikes me is the insinuated duality of male character. We’re meant to assume, that men fall into two categories, the nice guy and the jerk, the beta provider and the alpha chad. This is relevant but misses the philosophical bedrock.
I’m not letting feminism or female promiscuity off the hook but for every ride on the carousel, there was a willing male participant. It can be said that men are easy. Hear me out if you care to.
This is the whole concern I have with the Sexual Market Place value approach. The issue is that female SMP value is too high and that SMP value for men is non-existent. A continual supply and demand issue that once derailed, as it is now, is extraordinarily difficult to fix. Ironically, marriage was the fix but fell apart.
When you REALLY understand the biological implications. The evo-psyche, the sexual dimorphism and hypergamy; it becomes crystal clear why marriage was invented thousands of years ago. Marriage had a vital role in satisfying both parties. The man was granted monogamy, his partner is denied her natural hypergamous urges. The woman was provided the resources and security into old age which was the point of hypergamy in the first place.
When marriage as an institution fails, you have women racking up sexual partners galore in their youth (because sex is the only real currency women have and they spend it, hypergamously and fruitlessly searching for the provisions and security they need for offspring and themselves; this is instinctive evolutionary psychology). They search but do not find because they’re never held to one partner and just monkey branch endlessly. On the other side, when marriage fell apart, men are left with no faithful partners, no monogamy, no suitable prospects.
In the aftermath of a failed marriage state, men are divided. For promiscuous males, handsome males, and men with money; there seems to be an endless supply of young fresh women to tag. For men who aren’t so lucky (most men) they can either elect to be cuckolds, sifting through used goods or they can be effectively celibate by default. When women aren’t held to marriage, you end up with a PUA vs. MGTOW society.
This is the difference between Pick Up Artistry and Men Going Their Own Way. They are polar opposites! Once marriages was derailed, and women were no longer obligated to be faithful partners (no fault divorce) …I get it, you basically have no choice as a man, you can either engage in meaningless sex with no hope at all for a suitable long term mate, or you can just go monk.
Men want loyalty and sex, women want resources. Marriage was the only thing we invented which held the two in balance. But society ruined it and women, are hopelessly too stupid to understand how Feminism screwed them over, they just parade around in their faux superiority selling their pussies for temporary thrills. And the men are also too stupid to collectively abstain enough from no-strings-attached-sex, long enough to raise the SMP for all men. The PUA’s and rich men, just ravage through the supply of women.
So what exactly toppled marriage? Feminist memes? Women’s suffrage? Playboy magazine? The answer is even deeper philosophically. It is a moral failing tied to religion. Marriage, as we all know is religious. It serves a great purpose and ought to have been re-evaluated under a scientific use case for our species rather than a religious ritual. The church and it’s dogma has been losing ground to science for centuries. The 20th century has really done the most damage to a number of religious claims. When the church lost its power with the people, marriage was also t~~~ up.
But this isn’t only to do with sexual dimorphism, the Church’s death hold on morality has stifled true objective moral progress as a domain of science in general. In a world of computers, nuclear power and animal cloning (examples of human discourses that have matured), we’re still fearfully clinging to an anthropomorphic teddy bear called Bronze age morality. We have left morality in the stone age which is incredibly dangerous because our moral progress, or lack there of, will ultimately guide other human discourse like medicine, technology and art. This is how you get a Muslim nuking a whole city for no other reason than 2000 year old delusional scribblings.
Make no mistake about it. Our nostalgia for faith-based traditionalism is a doubled sided sword which led to where we are now. Faith and religious rituals (no matter how helpful they were for male/female companionship and other human behavior as a whole) were not sustainable with the rise of natural facts.
This is all TOO deep for most people to understand in my opinion. Don’t take it as an attack on Christianity. As an atheist, I see the attributes that Christianity offers (I was raised Catholic and Lutheran) but real Christian ideals are not followed in our society. Either follow them to a T or replace them with something better, we seem to be stuck in the dangerous middle where we receive all the negative consequences from ignoring Biblical living while also getting screwed by stifling objective moral progress scientifically. That chapter in human history, for better or worse, has been written and now we’ve moved on. A return to Traditionalism would be swell but that’s a discussion for another time. We can’t undo all the damage Feminism did as a whole.
This is the whole concern I have with the Sexual Market Place value approach. The issue is that female SMP value is too high and that SMP value for men is non-existent. A continual supply and demand issue that once derailed, as it is now, is extraordinarily difficult to fix. Ironically, marriage was the fix but fell apart.
When marriage as an institution fails, you have women racking up sexual partners galore in their youth (because sex is the only real currency women have and they spend it, hypergamously and fruitlessly searching for the provisions and security they need for offspring and themselves; this is instinctive evolutionary psychology). They search but do not find because they’re never held to one partner and just monkey branch endlessly. On the other side, when marriage fell apart, men are left with no faithful partners, no monogamy, no suitable prospects.
GravelPit,
Interesting write up. I read the entire post, just quoted the above for simplicity. When society reduces everything to absurdity/to the most extreme, and views the opposite sex for merely what they have to offer in the current moment, then the result is what we have today.
For example, if women no longer offer men monogamy through a sanctified marriage, then they are viewed solely for casual sexual purposes/ONS.
If virtually all men are in the pump & dump mindset/mode, then virtually any female will do – since they all have a pussy. This allows women who have average SMV at BEST to have sex w/men who are of much higher value. Which inflates the females own perceived status, and conflates their expectations even further.
In the past a female who was simply average looking, wouldn’t garner the attention of so many men, because they wouldn’t view her as bride material. But, if most men are just looking to pump and dump, she’ll do for one night, and she’ll get the attention of 100’s of more men. Given many choices women seem to not only be more picky, but less happy.
The most ironic aspect is that many women delude themselves into thinking that they’re just as happy as men w/the ONS/casual sex. Some are, but it’s a complete lie that women are as horny as men. They can be, and even hornier than men, but for most that’s only a few days out of the month.
They were sold the lie to:
1. Go to college
2. Become a career female
3. Have sex w/as many men as you wantEssentially to behave like men. They project their own ideals of what they find attractive in a man, onto themselves; as though any man has any of the above on his list for what he finds attractive in a female.
Most women today who’ve slept around so much, have voluntarily seared their conscious w/a proverbial hot iron – we call it the 1,000 c~~~ stare. Absolutely incapable of forming any real romantic connection on any substantive level.
I think deep down, late at night, many of them feel like used up filthy whores, and no longer even feel worthy of being loved in any true sense.
Resident cynic.
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