Preachers Leaving The Ministry…

[AutoliteParticipant]

Ex-preacher turned Atheist Dan Barker sheds some light on The Clergy Project, a support community for clergy who no longer believe. One ex-preacher is claiming that this is a growing trend today with as many as 25% of current ministers not really believing what they preach.

I see this as ministers swallowing the religious ‘Red Pill’.

Losing their faith phucks up some of these ministers so bad that they choose to stay ‘in the closet’ as ministers and remain in their pulpits even though they’re really Atheists. One ‘Muslim’ Atheist apparently fears for his life if exposed. Have any of you guys heard about ‘The Clergy Project’ before? These guys have figured out that everything they stood for and believed in was all complete bullshhit. I think this bears an uncanny similarity to MGTOW but with much bigger risk. These guys ‘coming out’ means that they lose absolutely everything…

http://clergyproject.org/

[StealthParticipant 5330]

I know some guys in this position, and am myself in something like it… I’m too close to it to know what to say about it, but it is a dilemma.

"Once you’ve taken care of the basics, there’s very little in this world for which your life is worth deferring." -David Hansson. "It’s not when women are mean or nasty that anything is out of the ordinary. It’s when they are NICE to you that you have to be on high alert..." -Jackinov.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

I was always a doubter. At 12 years old I flat out refused to continue going to Sunday church each weekend. It really hurt my mom I think.

She thought she could sway me out of it. She bought me a nonfiction, impartial book that explained both sides. Upon hindsight, she must have believed it was going to cure me. Paradoxically, I just took it as encouragement and acceptance for my view, because I read it and it strengthened my skepticism. Lol.

Later, they wanted me to see a Church counselor which is where I first heard the term Nihilist. I was 15. I read Nietzsche’s Human All Too Human.

I was nihilist more or less until I read The Moral Landscape. I turned atheist after realizing that the Anthropomorphic nature of such a being totally disproves its existence. And if some kind of nonanthropomorpihic superpower does exist, its either an alien species or too vague, as to be confused with pure energy or pure antimatter or something too ridiculous to organize your life around.

From age 22-27, I read a lot of Harris and Hitchens and watched a TON of Youtube debates, university debates etc, where we routinely tried to deconstruct Christian Apologetics for the bag of logical fallacies they are. This is a rather easy thing to do.

It turns out, its a fools errand. I dropped the whole thing and picked up MGTOW all at once upon discovering it in 2013 at age 27. Coincidentally I also sobered up at the same time.

Faith in a god that doesnt exist is the #1 problem for this species, no doubt. Its a hurtle to the future. The 2nd problem is denial of sexual dimorphism.

I quit debating Xtians for a good reason. #1 We both know its pointless. #2 They are better people than Leftists

[AutoliteParticipant]

Walking away from everything that you once believed in has gotta take some real baalls! Check out this story from one former preacher Mike Aus…

[AutoliteParticipant]

Stealth wrote:

I know some guys in this position, and am myself in something like it… I’m too close to it to know what to say about it, but it is a dilemma.

My Atheism was never all that difficult for me. It just took several years for everything to finally ‘click’. But it didn’t really cost me anything. For these preachers to come out as Atheists it has gotta be real tough! For them, their lives are turned completely inside out. What they’re doing takes real guts…

[AutoliteParticipant]

Stealth wrote:

I’m too close to it to know what to say about it, but it is a dilemma.

If you’re struggling with your Theism right now I very strongly recommend that you watch the ‘Mike Aus’ video. Believers, understandably, just tune-out Atheists like Dawkins, Harris, Randi and Dennet.

But listening to an ex-preacher like Aus spew Atheism really adds something to the argument. I think you’ll find it to be a real eye-opener…

[AutoliteParticipant]

Gravel Pit wrote:

From age 22-27, I read a lot of Harris and Hitchens and watched a TON of Youtube debates, university debates etc, where we routinely tried to deconstruct Christian Apologetics for the bag of logical fallacies they are. This is a rather easy thing to do.

For regular people like us, Atheism is just the acknowledgement and acceptance of reality. And for scientists, it has to be pretty much expected. You cannot really hold any credibility as a scientist if you’re still a believer.

But for PREACHERS to out themselves as Atheists it takes things to a whole other level! These guys lose there jobs (their career), their community and for many, they lose their family. The cost for them is enormous and I gotta respect that. For a preacher or a minister to come out and say that they were “full of shhit” all along has got to be a real ‘kick-in-the-nuts’ for Theism…

[bstoffParticipant 4863]

Everyone has their faith challenged, or sometimes just has some doubts or unanswered questions.
I talked to a pastor a few years ago who confided that to me.
It happens to everyone.
It’s not necessarily an outright rejection. Sometimes it’s just needing a sign or reassurance that they are on the right path.
It’s not always easy to get or seek that assurance when you are the person who is supposed to be leading the flock.
Not that he has become Atheist, but hat he sometimes had his faith shaken.

The big problem for them is that they have committed their lives and built a life-long career from their position.
If they give up their faith, they also give up their job and pension.

Another specific dilemma I’ve heard of is the pastors of the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America.
The synod had taken a more liberal stance and allowed gay pastors and gay weddings into their synod,
the pastors had to accept it, knowing it was against their own personal beliefs, because they were trapped into their careers.
Members of the church left and went to a different, more conservative synod,
but their pastor was unable to do so, without sacrificing their career and starting over.
I think a lot of them had their faith shaken then and felt they were living a lie.

[AutoliteParticipant]

bstoff wrote:

The big problem for them is that they have committed their lives and built a life-long career from their position. If they give up their faith, they also give up their job and pension.

The Jerry Dewitt video ‘On His Transition’ really underscores this. Dewitt describes his journey away from the pulpit and Theism as “leaving a bad relationship”. The parallel with this and someone going MGTOW is clearly evident.

I am absolutely convinced that the emotional drive that causes a person to remain a Theist is identical to the emotional drive that causes a person to remain Blue Pill. Both Theism and the Blue Pill is the emotion driven rejection of reality, logic and rationality…

[AutoliteParticipant]

bstoff wrote:

The big problem for them is that they have committed their lives and built a life-long career from their position. If they give up their faith, they also give up their job and pension.

Inside The World of Non-Believers

You can check out this video. There is a segment about a preacher who admits being an Atheist but he is unable to leave his job…

[Secret Agent MGTOWParticipant 22510]

For me, mgtow is confirmed in the bible. There are plenty of warnings not to be involved with all types of women with chronic negative traits. And nowhere does it say marriage takes prededent over marrying a sub-par spouse, that we have to marry someone even if they aren’t a good match, because you gotta be married. Certain denominations might have some differing ideas on the subject but that doesn’t match up to the bible.

Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.

[MonkParticipant 16985]

Non-believing, or doubting preachers was a known phenomenon in 19th century England.

Many modern British priests openly say they don’t believe and see religion as a vehicle for their own brand of crypto-marxist social engineering.

[AutoliteParticipant]

Gravel Pit wrote:

It turns out, its a fools errand. I dropped the whole thing and picked up MGTOW all at once upon discovering it in 2013 at age 27. Coincidentally I also sobered up at the same time.

I myself have been an Atheist for 30 years and a MGTOW for over 25. I definitely think that there’s a connection. It wouldn’t surprise in the least if the percentage of MGTOW Atheists was higher than that in the general population. I also suspect that there might very well be many Atheists on this forum who are still ‘in the closet’…

[MonkParticipant 16985]

Autolite wrote:

I definitely think that there’s connection [MGTOW and atheism]. It wouldn’t surprise in the least if the percentage of MGTOW Atheists was higher than that in the general population.

Probably – once you take the blinkers off and start to question the mainstream narrative, one thing leads to another. This is why the government fears genuine alternatives, no matter how unimportant or silly they may first seem.

I also suspect that there might very well be many Atheists on this forum who are still ‘in the closet’…

I think that it is important to distinguish between organised religion and theism. It is the former that turns most people off.

[AutoliteParticipant]

Secret Agent MGTOW wrote:

For me, mgtow is confirmed in the bible. There are plenty of warnings not to be involved with all types of women with chronic negative traits.

I concede that the bible spouts some healthy ideas. Things like don’t murder, steal or covet thy neighbor’s wife’s ass or something. But do you really need religious belief to know that you shouldn’t be doing this kinda stuff???

[AutoliteParticipant]

Monk wrote:

I tnink that it is important to distinguish between organised religion and theism. It is the former that turns most people off.

They say that more and more believers today are now claiming to be ‘nondenominational’. I think that it might be because they know that it’s really just all bullshhit but they don’t (yet) have the courage or just aren’t ready to go full Atheist.

Also, for others, claiming no affiliation with any church while saying that they’re ‘spiritual’ allows them to tailor their beliefs any way they like to suit them. It’s like a comfort zone for them…

[MonkParticipant 16985]

Autolite wrote:

I concede that the bible spouts some healthy ideas. Things like don’t murder, steal or covet thy neighbor’s wife’s ass or something. But do you really need religious belief to know that you shouldn’t be doing this kinda stuff???

You have to take into account the time period when the texts that make it up were written. The Qu’ran forbids bestiality (also a common practice in the Early Church, incidentally).

[AutoliteParticipant]

Monk wrote:

Many modern British priests openly say they don’t believe and see religion as a vehicle for their own brand of crypto-marxist social engineering.

Gretta Vosper is a Canadian preacher who came out as an Atheist. But her congregation likes her so much that they don’t want her to leave. Go figure…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gretta_Vosper

https://www.thestar.com/news/insight/2016/02/21/meet-the-united-church-minister-who-came-out-as-an-atheist.html

[AutoliteParticipant]

Monk wrote:

You have to take into account the time period when the texts that make it up were written.

Considering when (and by who) the bible was written is itself one of the strongest arguments for Atheism…

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Autolite wrote:

The cost for them is enormous and I gotta respect that.

Im not stirred by their experience. They changed jobs, so what? Not trying to diminish your posts at all bro, just saying.

My little brother went to college and got a 4 year degree in Political Science. He spent one Summer in Washington DC as a Congresswoman’s Aid and completely ditched Politics thereafter. Then he went and got a Masters in Divinity! This is a difficult and expensive faith-based education where you actually have to learn Hebrew and Latin. It took him a long time and a lot of course work. He then got the degree and a job at a church. Within 6 months he QUIT. Now he teaches Algebra and Calculus to highschoolers LOL. He did 8 years of college just to end up being a Math Teacher! Its just that people change course in life bro. No biggie.

bstoff wrote:

allowed gay pastors and gay weddings into their synod,
the pastors had to accept it,

this quote and the next just go hand in hand…

Autolite wrote:

claiming no affiliation with any church while saying that their ‘spirituality’ allows them to tailor their beliefs any way they like to suit them.

…and their you have it, the Premise of Theism is no more Valid after thousands of years of Mutation, divisions and denominations. Today’s “faiths” do not resemble in the least what they began as 2000+ years ago.

All Religion is an evolving Memeplex. The acceptance of homosexuality, is yet another compromise of traditional faith just like when the faithful had to concede to the truth of Heliocentrism & Evolution. Except now, they are browbeat with Social Justice bullsh!t. Homosexuality is NOT healthy for a populace. The Pride Parade is a celebration of child abuse and neurotic disorder as if its naturally occurring. SOPH’s Channel was just ERASED off Youtube for being honest about gays, big suprise Right?! I was lucky to see it. God bless that little girl. SEE WHAT I MEAN ABOUT XTIANS BEING GOOD PEOPLE WE SHOULD ALIGN WITH?

But the Christian monopolization, corrupting and dictating of Morality for all, was clearly the catalyst that gave free reign to insane policies like Gay Marriage to finally become accepted. Because of radical retaliation to Religious Ideals of living which are ridiculous and preachy. The trouble is that Religious Ideals for Living are RIGHT for all the WRONG reasons! You cant tell people that Homosexuality is bad because of meh, ‘God and the Bible’… no, you have to fvcking prove it with REAL sociology and biology that Homosexuality is NOT genetic, that gays are that way from Child Abuse!

Autolite wrote:

It wouldn’t surprise in the least if the percentage of MGTOW Atheists was higher than that in the general population.

Yes, a larger percent of MGTOW are probably non-believers/skeptics but only because of the inordinate amount of Objectivity it takes to end up in here. But when you think about it, the Manosphere as a whole is likely MORE CHRISTIAN than the Gen. Pop. because MRA’s are nearly ALL Traditional Conservatives. We are the rare ones, the agnostic conservatives, Libertarians, Republican Atheists…

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