Please stop making the US the universal norm.

[X11Spectator 4520]

Men have butchered other men, their own brothers over symbols is true.

Their sacrifice should be a lesson to the next generation of men that we should not kill each other over symbols…it’s almost always a lie.

You don’t die for what symbols represent, you die to keep the rich fed.

[Cú ChulainnParticipant 3910]

The men who died at Thermopylae, or at the gates of Vienna against the Turks, the men on Omaha Beach, do you not think they had just cause?

If not then that’s ok, chaos might be your thing. Its not mine, I’d happily split any man in two who threatened my way of life, my possessions. I could easily extend that to my community if necessary, and threats to my country.

The thing is the threats are from mostly within these days. But yes I’d pump bullets into ANYONE who I feel desperately needs it.

[X11Spectator 4520]

All those enemy are more like us than you think. They got duped by patriotism. WWII was a justified response to aggression .

What do you think those WWII vets think about their sacrifice looking at the state of things now?

Were these places you would die in for symbols;

WWI?
Civil war?
Vietnam?
Korea?
Iraq?
Afghanistan?
All the dodgy undeclared wars in south america?

Etc.

F~~~ all of that. Exploitation of young men’s patriotic brain washing.

[Cú ChulainnParticipant 3910]

Yes there are unjust wars, and yes the carnage wasn’t necessary or justified. But there are just wars, and some of those you listed could be argued to have been started for the right reasons but became unjust. I’m not going to argue which is which because I’m not here to change anyones mind. And I haven’t the time frankly.

But, I’m here same as you because the red pill has been swallowed. Now MGTOW is a personal thing, and as much as I dip my toe into going monk, there’s still a lot of the old soldier in me. I CARE about my country, my society, I see my civilization as a bulwark against the forces of darkness without and within. So I still have attachment to ideas and the symbols that represent those ideas. So there’s a pluralist side to MGTOW for me as well.

If you’re not supposed to fight for causes then the alternative is, you ACCEPT the world the feminists, the globalists or even the islamists want to bring into being.

By all means, rage the red pill, disappear into the hills and watch it all burn. But if THEY win they’ll come for you eventually.

As for young men and war, I can only speak for myself, and I know there’s veterans on this board, and I do not for one minute think I speak on their behalf. This is my opinion only. But a soldier is by nature patriotic, or should be. Now a soldier follows orders,and he trains his entire working life to soldier, that can mean many productive tasks, but the main one is fighting with deadly weapons until the threat or enemy is neutralized.

He doesn’t think about the bigger significance of the war he’s in, when he’s in it. He’s concentrating on his arcs of fire and looking out for his immediate buddies in his fire team, squad, platoon whatever. Life is lived 100% in the present on the battlefield. The friendships made are the most intense of his life. Even after he’s demobbed he won’t have friends as intense as his war buddies.

War and conflict are horrible, destructive things, but they are as old as humanity itself. Conflict is as much part of reality as AWALT. Soldiers understand this, that’s why they do what they do even when civilians think they’re crazy for going off to unjust wars.

Some things need to be made right, Churchill said better to “Jaw jaw, than war war”. But he understood that when jaw jaw has been all used up then fighting was the only option.

So yes, I believe in the symbols of my faith, my country, they are reason enough to fight and die for, if need be.

[X11Spectator 4520]

I hope you never get killed for some bulls~~~ politician’s war bro.

[Cú ChulainnParticipant 3910]

Haha, I’m a damn good shot mate. Anyway I’m too old now, and BTDT

[Anonymous 1]

Anonymous wrote:

Right now anyone can walk around freely in broad daylight and property rights are respected by the masses.

I’ve had my house broken into over 20 times. When I lived in Detroit, I had everything stolen from me, including food out of my refrigerator. I’ve had the government shut my business down and destroy my assets over a piece of paper.

I moved to a nice neighborhood in a rural area. Same thing happened. I am at work all day making money so I can pay my taxes and support the social injustice system. Guess What? Front door kicked in house robbed, all valuables stolen. If they couldn’t steal it, they just break it. My Electronics Lab, destroyed.

The Masses respect my property so much, I have security systems and insurance policies up my ass and I’m still afraid to leave my house for a few hours. Oh yeah, I’ve had my car broken into a few times too.

Walking in broad daylight is a real bad idea in Detroit as well. It’s a good way to get killed and left on the sidewalk like a rotten piece of road kill. That’s how much they respect you.

[X11Spectator 4520]

Yeah my sister leaves alone on a third floor apartment. She got robbed and never thought it would happen again. Second time she was home alone in bed. She froze and couldn’t dial the phone. Guy took s~~~ and left.

Cops said if she didn’t freeze they would be investigating a murder as well.

I waited countless nights in her apartment armed to the teeth praying he would come back.
They caught the guy, he had detailed maps and notes of every place he robbed.

Skinny little drug addict that said hi and chatted to his victims in the grocery store. Lived in same area as his victims and knew them all. They all said he was a nice guy.

[Anonymous 1]

X11 wrote:

Yeah my sister leaves alone on a third floor apartment. She got robbed and never thought it would happen again. Second time she was home alone in bed. She froze and couldn’t dial the phone. Guy took s~~~ and left.

Cops said if she didn’t freeze they would be investigating a murder as well.

I waited countless nights in her apartment armed to the teeth praying he would come back.
They caught the guy, he had detailed maps and notes of every place he robbed.

Skinny little drug addict that said hi and chatted to his victims in the grocery store. Lived in same area as his victims and knew them all. They all said he was a nice guy.

Oh yeah, that sounds typical. I remember my grandfather telling me stories of the Great Depression. Men were broke, but they still had the decency to look presentable and respect others property. Those days are over. No Respect with the ME-ME generation. It’s give me free stuff NOW, so I can buy drugs with it. I’m out working hard trying to maintain my standard of living, while the degenerates are out robbing me blind and milking the government welfare system. It’s getting worse all the time. Each generation is more and more disrespectful and entitled. Kids nowadays like to play the “Knockout Game” and randomly punch out elderly people. This would have been unheard of in my Grandfathers day!

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