Please stop making the US the universal norm.

[X11Spectator 4520]

Lots of poor cultures only became poor when the US (West) told them they are poor.

Its like the US wants to make every culture & country US culture & country. Anyone who resists is annihilated.

The West is a lie, save yourselves reject it.

[Cú ChulainnParticipant 3910]

I agree, feminism and cultural Marxism are both symptoms of globalism. Stay local, support local, because local usually means traditional.

And ‘reactionary’ is not a dirty word.

[Secret Agent MGTOWParticipant 22542]

As long as we have nations we will have comparisons. There is just no other way around it. And nations we need to have, because peoples live differently and have different cultural identities they want to preserve.

The flipside is that the United States of America is not a leader, or has high rates of negatives, in many of the areas in which comparisons are made. Education, longevity, divorce rates, abortion, crime, debt, taxes, freedom, healthcare treatment, etc. So I would say you are kind of only looking at a narrow range of things that bother you because those areas the USA does well in. Or maybe you are reading too many articles that only focus on the good stats and not he bad ones. Trust me there are plenty of articles discussing how poorly the USA ranks against other countries in a bunch of different areas.

Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.

[RhinoParticipant 3477]

This has been going on for thousands of years only the names of the nations change. If it was not the Roman Empire it was the British Empire and now the US. With limited resources on this planet those who can get the resources have an advantage and will continue to spread their culture into other lands to subvert and profit from the native people. Get rid of the US and another country like Russia or China will pop up to take its place and assert its dominance over the world.

[Anonymous 12]

I think in the past it was attractive to want to be like the West or the USA. I grew up in Australia and before the internet existed my image of the USA was based off movies and TV. It seems to me that now at least there is a lot of poverty in most areas and violence.

As the West declines and loses influence as well as diluting it’s own people and culture that the West will no longer be this thing to emulate.

Especially as you have countries like China and India emerging which in a sense is a good thing for the West and MGTOW. As Western men start noticing how masculine many of these cultures and how they couldn’t give a s~~~ about political correctness you will start to see Western men change as well.

And given many Western countries are multicultural they are already seeing that.

Countries like China though are emulating Western ways, although building up their military they have been waging economic warfare on other countries by purchasing farms in particular and real estate.

It’s economic colonialism.

[X11Spectator 4520]

The West is particularly seductive due to its apparent glamorous appearance.

It’s not the only standard to judge by.

I more and more value indigenous knowledge, more so than what I can get from Oprah.

We need to marry the ultra high tech with the ancient ways that treat the planet with respect and cancel all the s~~~ in between.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

X11 wrote:

Lots of poor cultures only became poor when the US (West) told them they are poor.

Naw. They were objectively poor. Just because they didn’t know any better doesn’t change that fact. High mortality and low life expectancy were a thing in those countries long before the U.S. ever told them about medicine, nutrition, and hygiene.

X11 wrote:

The West is particularly seductive due to its apparent glamorous appearance.

Yeah, living beyond 35 with all your own teeth and having all your children survive into adulthood is pretty glamorous.

the ancient ways that treat the planet with respect

LOL. The “ancient ways” never gave a f~~~ about the planet. Archeology shows one primitive society after another overpopulating, stripping their environment, and then crashing. Just look at the middle east and the so-called fertile crescent. That modern desertified s~~~hole is what you get from multiple cycles of primitive civilizations raping their environment with their “ancient ways” and then collapsing.

The only difference between ancient civilizations and the modern western world is they didn’t have the technology to f~~~ up more than a few river valleys at a time.

[X11Spectator 4520]

It appears you missed the part about marrying some ancient values to aspects of our ultra high tech offerings.

Also not all ancient cultures were slash and burn farmers. I am referring to nomadic cultures who lived within nature and were part of a balanced and sustainable ecosystem.

They died younger, we live longer but for what?

The West clings to life like dogs with their tongues hanging out.

No culture has ever worshipped youth so much and feared death so much as white Christians.

[SandalsParticipant 4253]

X11 wrote:

No culture has ever worshipped youth so much and feared death so much as white Christians.

Now I am totally confused. Christianity appears to me to be a death cult. They sing songs every week with lyrics “We all can’t wait to get to heaven”. They are constantly glamorizing their own deaths.

[RemovedParticipant 4676]

The trick is, create something that you can have a lot of, convince enough people it is a commodity, and then watch as everyone treats you as a king. People will value anything that enough people tell them to. In the end, the only true wealth is knowledge. If we cannot produce that, you might as well be trying to sell your daily crap on the street corner.

[X11Spectator 4520]

Heroin is the ultimate commodity, the more your customers buy, the more they need to buy again until it’s the only thing they ever want to buy – genius.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

X11 wrote:

I am referring to nomadic cultures

They were nomadic because they exhausted local resources faster than agrarian cultures. They would move into an area and strip it of edible plant and wildlife until hunger forced them to move on. They suffered the same crash and burn, boom and bust population cycles as every other human culture, but on a tribal scale instead of a village or city scale, and more often because they lacked the technology to retard the cycle.

who lived within nature and were part of a balanced and sustainable ecosystem.

They were only “balanced” because they didn’t have a choice. And they weren’t “sustainable” so much as recoverable because their low technological base didn’t allow them the population levels to do greater damage. And their population levels were kept low through high mortality rates, not due to any self control or planning. F~~~loads of “in balance with nature” babies died before reaching the age of two.

They died younger, we live longer but for what?

To watch more cat videos, obviously.

The West clings to life like dogs with their tongues hanging out.

If I were to tell you right now that you’ve had all the life you’re going to get and you’d be dead by the end of this sentence, I guarantee you’d want a little more life than just what you’ve had. And then a little more after that. And a little more…

No culture has ever worshipped youth so much and feared death so much as white Christians.

I don’t know what christians you’ve been hanging out with, but the people who fear death the most in my own experience are atheists. Because they know this life is all they get and so they can’t comfort themselves with the thought of an afterlife.

[X11Spectator 4520]

It’s the fear of death that made the afterlife clubs, aka Abrahamic religions, get the mass recruitment they get.

Atheists don’t fear death like you say, they accept it and make the most of the only life anyone knows for sure we have….this one.

It makes life actually real when your an atheist. Eternal life clubs make life cheap and just a test of sorts. That’s the worst thing about religion, it stops true morality and authentic living.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

X11 wrote:

It’s the fear of death that made the afterlife clubs, aka Abrahamic religions, get the mass recruitment they get.

All religions, actually.

Atheists don’t fear death like you say, they accept it and make the most of the only life anyone knows for sure we have….this one.

Correction: Atheists don’t fear what comes after death, because there’s no point in fearing nothing. But at the pinch they all want more life rather than less.

That’s the worst thing about religion, it stops true morality and authentic living.

What’s your point? If the fear of hell / karma / ammit / whatever is what it takes to make some people behave themselves, then I’m all for it. What do you care if their morality is “true” so long as their behavior is moral?

[X11Spectator 4520]

Good points, theists that use the argument that if there was no God they might as well go out and rape babies always concerned me.

I am glad the ruling classes invented sky daddy for them to fear, very cheap and effective tool of mass social control.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

X11 wrote:

I am glad the ruling classes invented sky daddy for them to fear, very cheap and effective tool of mass social control.

I tend to believe it went the other way around. The ruling classes didn’t invent organized religion. Organized religion created the ruling classes, or at least allowed for them to come about. People need to believe in the concept of divinity before they’ll fall for something like “the divine right of kings”.

[X11Spectator 4520]

As far as I can tell pre-christian Romans maintained and appropriated all the religions (and gtods) of the people they vanquished. Could be a number of explanations for that practice tho.

It was only later they enforced one religion on everyone, seems political to me.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

X11 wrote:

It was only later they enforced one religion on everyone,

Naw. They enforced universal worship of the deified emperor pretty much ever since they first had emperors. That predated Christianity because it was one of the very early Christians biggest complaints.

Check out Gobekli-Tepe some time. It’s clearly a sacred space for a very organized religion, but it was made by very pre-agrarian (even pre-pot-making) hunter-gatherers thousands of years before they could have had the social stratification necessary for any sort of ruling elite. According to conventional archeology, the place should be impossible. It should not exist. But it does. And proves pretty conclusively that religion came first.

[Anonymous 1]

Secret Agent MGTOW wrote:

The flipside is that the United States of America is not a leader,[/quote

Oh yes we are! Number 1, most obese nation in the world! Yeah, GO AMERICA!

[Anonymous 11]

The World is nothing at all like the US though the whole world lives here. There are some great things about living here. There are some terrible things about living here.

We have the advantage of the World’s most powerful entertainment industrial complex purveyors of fine lies.

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