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I will NOT waste my time/resources/LIFE on the defense of the first. I defend the RIGHTS of INDIVIDUALS, but not ALL INDIVIDUALS are worth defending. I condemn the ACT of rape of ANY GENDER, but, as I said, I will not defend someone that is most likely to F~~~ ME OVER (pun intended) if the situation was inverted.
I understand. I still think we have different views on this, I’m not going to watch anyone get harmed on the off chance they may “screw me over” later. Even if it is probabilistic. That’s not how I like to interact in the world. Personal opinion vs personal opinion. MGTOW brother. =)
Beside, what is this crap of not wanting intervening on their behalf (POLITACLLY)? What good does it make if you are going to disagree with them, but in REALITY you will still help them because: pussy?
Hmm, several things on this one. First, you can disagree with someone all day, that’s your right. You can avoid helping them in their cause, that’s your right. You can choose not to help strangers, male or female, that’s also your right. Here’s where we differ. I’m not helping a stranger because of their genitals, I’m helping them because it’s a “do unto others” world for me. I practice a lethargic mode of this idea granted. I will not actively go out with a batman mask on and fight crime to save civilians, but I will do something about it when I can, if I can.
Helping someone who is being attacked is in my mind a completely separate line of living, than wearing a #heforshe shirt and running around yelling patriarchy. So yes you can help people, doesn’t have to involve genitals and still not champion the victims beliefs. If a muslim woman is being stoned to death on the street in my western country, I simply do not give a f~~~ about “patriarchy” or “feminism” because my grandfathers died so that s~~~ wouldn’t happen on my soil. I’m getting my semi-auto out and lighting some f~~~ers up. I don’t know if you have a breaking point, but I certainly do, which is why I went MGTOW. The s~~~ is to the ceiling and I wanted out.
Yes, we do. You are moving the goal posts in order to be able to behave like one and not be called upon it.
Let’s use YOUR logic regarding the migrants, shall we?
You are claiming that, despite admitting that women are “dangerous life wrecking creatures that you need to avoid“, they are your equals and therefore men should help them. And you are doing that not because you want to f~~~ them, but simply because they are people.
Fair enough.
Than why in the nine hells are you complaining about the migrants?
You sound like a liberal to be honest. The logic in this went something like, “You’re saying you’re not racist for not wanting to date a black woman, simply because you’re more attracted to white women, you’re moving the goal posts in order to behave like one and not get called on it”.
Just because your definition of something and my definition are not as broad doesn’t mean I went out of my way to redefine something in order to avoid the social stigma on a f~~~ing anonymous website. Really? You think I honestly give a s~~~? LOL. No, the simple truth is that your definition of “white knighting” or in this example “racism” is so f~~~ing broad there’d be no way to escape it if you EVER said anything in the defense of a person with lips for genitals. To which I say wtf? .
Also in regards to “Women are my equals” yes, the first step to combating feminism is to make women responsible, and set them as your equals. A hungry lioness vs me with a .22 is still my equal, does that mean I want to hang out with it? No. Does that mean I want them to be harassed and beaten? No.
But they are HUMAN BEINGS, aren’t they? Why are you not helping them on the same grounds you would help women? They might be, you know, “dangerous life wrecking creatures that you need to avoid“, but they are your equals and therefore men should help them. You can oppose them POLITICALLY all you f~~~ing want, but you should help them if you see them trying to flee from BOMBS! Isn’t being thorn to pieces as bad as being RAPED? Shouldn’t you help them simply because they are people? Oh yeah, I guess if some of them catch you and behead you the fact that the rest would not do S~~~ to try to help you plays a big part on that, right? So it is ease to condemn them, but give women a break, isn’t it? I recommend your sisters to oppose them POLITICALLY, because, according to you, THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS.
I don’t care about Syrian refugees fleeing a war. Several problems occur in this angle of yours.
1. Over 80% of these refugees are military age men who should be fighting in their own f~~~ing countries and dying like my ancestors did for mine.
2. Another 80% of these migrants are not Syrian refugees, but economic migrants flooding and demanding, raping and pillaging with nary a shot fired.
3. Angela Merkel, a dictator in many respects went above and beyond her real authority to open the borders without laying down the ground work of simple things that you’d need like: Needing a passport to enter the EU, need to speak English, need to have some sort of skill of value. She did none of these things and just said “Come one come all.” This is in the face of all the disaster Sweden is undergoing. These migrants are bad for business, they bring diseases not seen in the civilized world in over 50 years, they bring HIV and AIDs and rape the native women. Yes, that’s a f~~~ing problem.
4. These migrants practice Islam, which practices Shariah, which ignores the sovereign law my family fought hard to secure. They want to ignore it and trample it, they can GTFO.
5. A woman or man being defended because of their being raped does not put me in the same logical moral context as defending a migrant that committed the rape in the first place. I can defend whoever is being attacked regardless and it has nothing to do with a vagina (For the last effing time.)
6. Naming my 4 sisters was not an emotional angle. I mentioned it once, did not elaborate on it. You were grasping there. Also, in addition to their being my family, they also carry a variation of our parent’s genetics, display practicality, intelligence, rational behavior and I want them to be rewarded with a happy life. Not looking over their shoulder everyday because some political PC t~~~s got it in their mind that multiculturalism with the 3rd world’s most tyrannical religion was a good idea to import en mass.
As always, good chatting with ya BadKan =)
I think you’re confusing my want for intervention on pussy principle, and not on the fact that I’d be spitting in my ancestors face if I just stood by and let some things occur that they died to stop. Cultural identities being washed from the white society being another topic for another day, but I don’t forget my heritage.
@ancientwisdom: Yup, you hit the nail on the head. In Sweden we typically use the term “macho” to refer to a male who overacts the “macho” bit in order to compensate for his own lack of self-esteem. Sadly, I can’t think of a Swedish word that carries the exact connotations as the English “douche bag”. The closest I can think of, “skitstövel” (lit. “s~~~ boot” ) I think more closely corresponds to the English “jerk” or “jackass”.
Yep see that s~~~ every time you go outside in a immigrant area. They try to stand out or something. They are not men! A man does not need to be seen all the f~~~ing time. Loudmouth assholes is what they are! Scared little boys trying to hide their fear of everything.
A swedish real male is polite, tough when he needs to and takes care of his friends and family. By that i do NOT mean obey his woman even though many have been turned to manginas we are still a few who is waking up.Keep clam i'm dyslexic.
Anonymous1If a muslim woman is being stoned to death on the street in my western country, I simply do not give a f~~~ about “patriarchy” or “feminism” because my grandfathers died so that s~~~ wouldn’t happen on my soil. I’m getting my semi-auto out and lighting some f~~~ers up. I don’t know if you have a breaking point, but I certainly do, which is why I went MGTOW. The s~~~ is to the ceiling and I wanted out.
What if it was a Muslim man? Would you still not give a f~~~ about “shariah law” and the Koran? Did you grandfathers died so MEN could die on you soil? What if the perpetrators were women, would you be “lighting some f~~~ers up”? Or on that particular case would you “go your own way”?
Yes, I have a breaking point, and mine was when I realized the double standards you yourself is showing right now. I don’t care about a person genitalia, like you seem to do. I care about FACT and TRUTH. MERIT and JUSTICE for ALL and not just some (and definetly not just for women).
Your double standards are showing, just like your armor.
You sound like a liberal to be honest
And you sound like a progressive, using political affiliations as some type of curse. I don’t care how I sound. DOUBLE STANDARDS are DOUBLE STANDARDS and calling me names don’t change what I said is truth or not. Try again.
The logic in this went something like, “You’re saying you’re not racist for not wanting to date a black woman, simply because you’re more attracted to white women, you’re moving the goal posts in order to behave like one and not get called on it”.
Are you serious? Are you comparing the choice of JUMPING INTO THE FIRE for someone you DON’T KNOW as equivalent as CHOOSING A SEXUAL PARTNER? This is like comparing apples and oranges! You cannot choose who you are attracted to, but you CAN choose who you will put YOUR LIFE IN THE LINE FOR.
Besides, I am not the one saying MEN should protect women, YOU ARE. Let me remind you what you said earlier:
2. Don’t become so engrossed in your own cause that you become apathetic to the plight of every other person.
Which would be fine, except not only you said that after I said I would NOT help women, but in all your examples, you only used WOMEN as victims. People, as far as I know, refers to BOTH GENDERS, MALE AND FEMALE. Feel free to answer if you would help a MUSLIM MEN if you saw him being assaulted at any time.
Also, you finish with this pearl:
Try to avoid instantly labeling any opinion as being solely based on the persons genitals. Also, just because most women wouldn’t assist a man in need doesn’t mean all will. AWALT works on many many levels with women, but not ALL levels
Gentleman, I present you the NAWALT ARGUMENT. You twisted a little bit the wording, but the message is the same: NOT ALL WOMEN, right? Besides, I am not labeling women based on their genitals, I am labeling them based on their ACTIONS. Did you miss the videos I posted? Maybe @keymaster should send you the address for the archive of this website. Feel free to help those that will stab you in the back though, just don’t come here and say that MEN should ignore EVIDENCE and do the same.
Just because your definition of something and my definition are not as broad doesn’t mean I went out of my way to redefine something in order to avoid the social stigma on a f~~~ing anonymous website
That is EXACLY what you did! You just presented the NAWALT argument under new guidelines (AWALT works on many many levels with women, but not ALL levels) and are now trying to redefine what WHITE KNIGHT is. It has been a while, but I am starting to smell estrogen here.
Really? You think I honestly give a s~~~? LOL
Great, than why does it bothered you when me and many others said we wouldn’t lift a finger to help women? Why did you felt the need to come here and try to redefine what white knight and AWALT means? Double speak much?
No, the simple truth is that your definition of “white knighting” or in this example “racism” is so f~~~ing broad there’d be no way to escape it if you EVER said anything in the defense of a person with lips for genitals. To which I say wtf? .
Are you kidding me? White Knight = helping women for the only reason of they being a woman. Is this broad to you? YOU are the one that started to broaden the term. Now, according to you, you can help a women, for the only reason of her being a woman, and not be a WK because you don’t want to f~~~ her. You would still not help a man, and you don’t care if she will stab you in your back, but that is your own way. On top of that you are the one comparing helping someone to F~~~ING (literally) someone, making a false equivalent. Really? Then I guess we shouldn’t help ANY MEN, unless we are gay. After all, wanting to HELP someone is the same as wanting TO F~~~ THEM (literally).
Wait… only women are that obsessed with sex… Are… are you a woman?
Also in regards to “Women are my equals” yes, the first step to combating feminism is to make women responsible, and set them as your equals
You can combat feminism all you want. In fact, if that is your goal, go to MRAs. All they do is combat feminism. I, one the other hand, will live my life.
A hungry lioness vs me with a .22 is still my equal, does that mean I want to hang out with it? No. Does that mean I want them to be harassed and beaten? No.
Listen, you c~~~. I never said I WANTED women to be harassed and beaten. What I said was, and I repeat, I WILL NOT HELP THEM IF THEY ARE, because THEY WOULD NOT HELP ME IF I WAS. Using the same analogy of the lioness. Not wanting her being BEATEN and HARRASSED does not mean I will HELP HER if I see her been ATTACKED BY A BUNCH OF HYENAS. She is a strong and independent LIONESS that would NOT give ONE F~~~ if I was been eaten, so why would I risk MY LIFE FOR HER? You are welcome to try and take out as many as you can though, before they make you their lunch and the Lioness eat what remains of you. Did you like my analogy, fish?
I don’t care about Syrian refugees fleeing a war. Several problems occur in this angle of yours.
And I don’t care about women.
1. Over 80% of these refugees are military age men who should be fighting in their own f~~~ing countries and dying like my ancestors did for mine.
70% of divorce are initiated by women by no fault divorce, when they should be there for their husbands, like our grandmothers were (in most cases) for our grandfathers. Hell, they should be helping MORE their husbands, with all the advantages society gives them and instead, they DIVORCE and have parties while their partners are driven to SUICIDE. At least at a war, the enemy don’t say he “will love you and stay on your side forever” and then takes your kids and use them as means to torture you. The only difference is that marriage is optional, the draft IS NOT!
2. Another 80% of these migrants are not Syrian refugees, but economic migrants flooding and demanding, raping and pillaging with nary a shot fired.
Wait… 80% plus 80% is 160%… Learn MATH!
But I digress.
Most of single mothers are on the welfare system, with men being able to do little to nothing to avoid being financially raped. These women demand men work for them or they use the government as proxy to actual rape (prison), beat (police) and pillage (alimony) their former partners. And they do that with no shots fired either.3. Angela Merkel, a dictator in many respects went above and beyond her real authority to open the borders without laying down the ground work of simple things that you’d need like: Needing a passport to enter the EU, need to speak English, need to have some sort of skill of value. She did none of these things and just said “Come one come all.” This is in the face of all the disaster Sweden is undergoing. These migrants are bad for business, they bring diseases not seen in the civilized world in over 50 years, they bring HIV and AIDs and rape the native women. Yes, that’s a f~~~ing problem.
EVERY F~~~ING POLITICIAN, MALE OR FEMALE, did NOTHING to fix the HUGE inequality in terms of justice regarding men and women under the law. Women have no responsibilities AT ALL, and yet NO WOMEN SAW THIS AS A PROBLEM. What they see as a problem is this benefits being CUT OFF. And yes, this is a f~~~ing problem too. They rape and murder MEN with little to no consequences. They abuse BOYS AND GIRLS and even on that, the female gender is a little bit better, since a girl would not have to pay alimony to her rapist, a boy WOULD. Just like the migrants, that don’t give a s~~~ about the country they are invading, they just want the money and don’t care about the laws. And once again, you emphasize the rape of native women, but you forgot to say the MURDER of NATIVE MEN. Go forth sir Knight.
4. These migrants practice Islam, which practices Shariah, which ignores the sovereign law my family fought hard to secure. They want to ignore it and trample it, they can GTFO.
These women practice GYNOCENTRISM and ignore F~~~ING REALTY and THE LABOR that MEN went through in order to ACHIVE what they have. They want to ignore men’s WELL BEING and they want trample out RIGHTS, so they can FEND FOR THEMSELVES as far as I care.
5. A woman or man being defended because of their being raped does not put me in the same logical moral context as defending a migrant that committed the rape in the first place. I can defend whoever is being attacked regardless and it has nothing to do with a vagina (For the last effing time.)
Who said that the migrant in question committed rape? Can you identify a rapist just by looking at him? Oh, I see, he is MALE, therefore he MUST BE A RAPIST. And yes, you can defend whoever you want. But you just AUTOMATICALLY classified a male migrant as a RAPIST not knowing anything about him but HIS GENDER. And yet, you would defend a woman, knowing as MUCH AS YOU KNEW ABOUT THE MEN. Who is to say, then, that the women you are defending, you know, the Muslim WOMAN on the beginning of the thread, is not a rapist? A child molester? A murder? Only men commit rape, RIGHT?!?! Must that be because you have preconceived notions about the Migrants? So, it is ok to have preconceived notions about MALE migrants, but not about WOMEN? F~~~ off fish.
Justice for ALL. If you are against ILLEGAL migrants, then you are against them REGARDLESS OF THEIR GENDER. Or you can continue being a white knight… Or a fish… Hard to say at this point.
6. Naming my 4 sisters was not an emotional angle. I mentioned it once, did not elaborate on it. You were grasping there. Also, in addition to their being my family, they also carry a variation of our parent’s genetics, display practicality, intelligence, rational behavior and I want them to be rewarded with a happy life. Not looking over their shoulder everyday because some political PC t~~~s got it in their mind that multiculturalism with the 3rd world’s most tyrannical religion was a good idea to import en mass
But it sure helps to reinforce your view if you throw women as potential victims, right? And if you didn’t want to use them as “emotional leverage” still doesn’t change anything regarding my argument.
think you’re confusing my want for intervention on pussy principle, and not on the fact that I’d be spitting in my ancestors face if I just stood by and let some things occur that they died to stop
So my question is: did they died to stop madness to go to your country, or just the mad males? Because, so far, all your examples of “defending the innocents” were about females. In fact, you AUTOMATICALLY classified a male migrant as a rapist. I, on the other hand, believe in innocent until proven guilty. So that is not why I am against the migrants. They are replacing a half broken system for a TOTALLY broken system, and this attitude of seeing women as “victims” and men as “perpetrators” is what allowed this s~~~. And you just demonstrated my point on all your examples.
I wish your country luck, cause you guys will need it. For the threats outside and inside your borders.
Cheers.
What if it was a Muslim man? Would you still not give a f~~~ about “shariah law” and the Koran? Did you grandfathers died so MEN could die on you soil? What if the perpetrators were women, would you be “lighting some f~~~ers up”? Or on that particular case would you “go your own way”?
Yes, I have a breaking point, and mine was when I realized the double standards you yourself is showing right now. I don’t care about a person genitalia, like you seem to do. I care about FACT and TRUTH. MERIT and JUSTICE for ALL and not just some (and definetly not just for women).
Your double standards are showing, just like your armor.
Yes if it was a muslim man being stoned in my country unjustly I would still give a s~~~. I’m surprised I’m even having to explain this for the third time. This is a broken record with you, I don’t care if the person has a vagina. The simple truth is, most of the time it’s women being stoned, the example given was one of probability, not of gender bias. I can only guess that your view of the world with regards to any act is decided upon by genitals. That’s the vibe you’ve repeatedly given off.
And you sound like a progressive, using political affiliations as some type of curse. I don’t care how I sound. DOUBLE STANDARDS are DOUBLE STANDARDS and calling me names don’t change what I said is truth or not. Try again.
You see double standards because you create them yourself within your own mind. I’ve repeatedly stated I don’t care about the gender of the person. Then you extrapolate out an example I mentioned, remove it from it’s own context and claim I am only interested in my own actions because of their genitals. It’s incredibly annoying and you’ve done it repeatedly. How many times can I state it’s the act being committed against the person and not the persons gender that concerns me? I could use a man in the examples, would that make you feel better? Would that make you feel like I wasn’t “championing” something because of their sex? I sure wouldn’t mind doing that if it would stop this trend of yours. I really dislike having to explain myself over and over.
Are you kidding me? White Knight = helping women for the only reason of they being a woman. Is this broad to you? YOU are the one that started to broaden the term. Now, according to you, you can help a women, for the only reason of her being a woman, and not be a WK because you don’t want to f~~~ her. You would still not help a man, and you don’t care if she will stab you in your back, but that is your own way. On top of that you are the one comparing helping someone to F~~~ING (literally) someone, making a false equivalent. Really? Then I guess we shouldn’t help ANY MEN, unless we are gay. After all, wanting to HELP someone is the same as wanting TO F~~~ THEM (literally).
Wait… only women are that obsessed with sex… Are… are you a woman?
Again, see point above where I state it’s the act not the person. This reminds me of discussing things with a liberal, you repeatedly point out something that’s a fact, and they go straight to labels and slander. Yes my helping someone not based on their genitals is a fact. I really wish you would stop pulling my examples out of context and then created a false argument of preferring to save one gender over another. As I said, it’s exhausting, and I know you can read what I’m typing.
I’ve read everything else you’ve quoted out and debated, but it’s all within the context of my preferring women over men. Which just makes them invalid and misdirected as I’ve stated repeatedly I would not commit any kind of intervening action based on genitals.
To summarize, you’ve blatantly ignored most of what I’ve typed with regards to not being biased for or against genders in acts of violent crime. You’ve removed examples from their own context to construct an argument for your own benefit, and while I admit you stayed on point once you derailed, you derailed nonetheless. In your fervor to defend your own interests you’ve labeled me and hammered home an idea that has no basis in my stance on helping my fellow man.
At this point, based on what I’ve read, you’re so far down your own rabbit hole on what you think I meant, that any steps backwards to re-examine would be an exercise in futility. I have no interest in defending myself from your “white knight” jump the gun labeling, nor do I wish to do so. In a final act of humor and good jest, because I feel like you’re not intentionally malicious, I can write Badkan on my dick and email you a pic if you want validity of my sex. Thanks, and have a good day. =)
Wait… 80% plus 80% is 160%… Learn MATH!
But I digress.
Most of single mothers are on the welfare system, with men being able to do little to nothing to avoid being financially raped. These women demand men work for them or they use the government as proxy to actual rape (prison), beat (police) and pillage (alimony) their former partners. And they do that with no shots fired either.I also wanted to point out that I said…
80% of them are military aged men…
and
80% of them are economic migrants…
You know you can still have 80% of a population fit both of those parameters right? This was just another indicator to me that you weren’t really reading what I was typing. Still like you though.
Not sure how this hate monger found himself on MGTOW. I personally don’t care for 3rd world migrants, but why in the world would a MGTOW care if a bitch got ‘raped?’ Especially when we know that the very definition of rape evolves and revolves around the feminist liberals and their mood swings..
How has nobody called this out?
… I care if a woman got raped, loads of women getting raped by third world trash whom the women are trying to help.
Some women have been brutally assaulted, gang raped and murdered by these ‘migrants’, that is beyond despicable and the women didn’t ask for it, they were brainwashed into helping them and are simply victims of the media and these anamalistic third world scum.Call him a hate monger for speaking out against the mass rape of sweedish women that the media is covering up?
What is wrong with you? i go my own way from women for obvious reasons but i respect their right to live and be safe and not be violated and persecuted for NO reason.I hope im right in thinking that your opinion is not the general consensus of this site.
I remember I said something like that I got put in my place on here. too. Learning point indeed well said Peter.
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TEENAGE MUSLIM MIGRANTS LET OFF WITH WRIST SLAP FOR VIOLENT GANG RAPE
A gang of teenage Muslim migrants have been sentenced to less than two years in youth offender centres for beating and raping a vulnerable Swedish woman at an isolated beauty spot.
The assault took place at the end of summer, when a 23-year-old woman was approached by two migrants while she was sitting on a park bench crying. They started out friendly, offering her beer and suggesting they visit a local beauty spot. Once at the Fåfängan lookout point on Södermalm island the men became violent, throwing the woman to the ground and beating her around the head.
Once she had given up resisting the beating, the men took off the woman’s clothes and started to rape her – and calling their friends to join them in the process. In the end the woman claimed to have been raped anally and vaginally six times by the group, some of which laughed at her during the ordeal reports the Swedish Free Press.
To add insult to her injury, the group gave her $100 in payment for her service as they left.
After the men left the victim alerted police and received medical treatment. Three of the perpetrators were tracked down using police sniffer dogs at a nearby migrant tent city.
The young men now judged responsible for the crime are migrants from North Africa, and in common with many arriving in Europe hoping to claim asylum arrived without paperwork. After they were arrested by police following the rape, the men claimed to be between 13 and 16 years old, guaranteeing minimal sentencing. In the event while the judge told the defendants he didn’t believe they were that young, it was impossible to prove
either waySwedish media is reporting they are believed to be between 15 and 18 years old.
Of the three men charged, two denied raping the woman, protestations which were disproved by the court with police evidence. A third admitted to sleeping with her, but insisted the act was consensual, and that he had met her while walking home from mosque. Because of their ages, two of those responsible were sentenced to six months in juvenile detention each..
Reporting of the incident has been very careful in Sweden, where media outlets wilfully self-censor to prevent migrants being presented in a bad light
. In Aftonbladet, Sweden’s best selling daily, the migrant origin of the rapists was only mentioned in the 14th paragraph of their report yesterday.
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Isn’t Sweden one of those nations where if a native Sweden man has sex with a woman, and if the woman changes her mind the next morning, hours after the sexual activity ended, is it legally considered rape, with the man going to jail?
If so, I guess that law doesn’t extend to foreigners. And that says a lot about those that control that nation.
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