"Old" vs "Middle" vs "Young" MGTOWs

[John DoeParticipant 743]

No long post/observation/debate.

Just a simple question:

What are the similarities and differences amongst the various generations of MGTOWs?  (Because this is multi-generational)

[Anonymous 14]

Similarity:

We all have had this Bitch Detector prototype surgically implanted into our brains that works perfectly every time with pin point precision.

Difference:

The size, shape and colour of our man tool? 😀

[John DoeParticipant 743]

I would have to agree.  I have a suspicion that I will not learn much from this question because the answers are obvious and there is not much more to look into.

I am interested to see if there is a generational difference in the women we are dealing with more than anything.  I am under the impression it will be  “same s~~~ different day” type of responses.

[Anonymous 14]

I know what you mean John and I think about this too at times. I mean sometimes when I remember the days of my childhood I can’t help wonder if women truly were more tolerable back then? I mean I was an 80’s kid and back then the misandry seemed somewhat less intense than it is nowadays. But then again, I was younger back then and not as matured cognitively as I am now and also we have this tendency to remember the pleasant and forget the unpleasant. And I remember I was in 4th grade then when that Lorena Bobbit incident shook the world. I specifically remember how the 7th – 10th grader girls in my school bus were high-fiving each other over it.

So yeah, came to this conclusion sometime back. C~~~s were c~~~s, c~~~s are c~~~s and c~~~s always will be c~~~s. Regardless of what age we are in.

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

I guess I’m showing my age here, but I think there are some differences between old and young mgtow. Many older men who are mgtow became mgtow after giving the system a try and finding that it was misrepresented. Often, after a financially draining divorce, these men decided to be mgtow. These older mgtow are men who once believed that lie, and believed it long enough for that belief to be taken advantage of, but had it proven to us that what we believed in was a lie.

However, even in my short time on this site, I’m seeing more and more younger men who have never been married come here and say they refuse to even try it. These younger guys never believed the lie in the first place. 30 years ago, if I said I would never get married, the reaction was something along the lines of, “you probably will, you just don’t know it yet…”. That’s basically telling me that I am uninformed about the decision I am making about my own life.

Today, I see younger guys stating they will never get married and the reaction they are getting is “Why not?”. Articles are even being written exploring this ‘why not?’ question. That indicates a significant change. Dismissing someone’s decision as uninformed is different from inquiring about how well informed it is. Single women who high five each other in front of men over the Lorena Bobbit issue don’t realize that they are at that moment, closing the door on one of their options. They assume men or the world owes them those equal options no matter how they behave. But some of those options require the cooperation and sacrifice of men who don’t actually feel that they owe the little cupcakes anything at all.

If women were smarter and not so short sighted, they would NEVER advertise their celebrations of monstrous divorce settlements, penis amputations or other abuses of men that they get away with and then brag and high-five each other about. They would probably have the chance to get away with these things for a lot longer if they were quieter about it. Running off at the mouth like they do is basically just free recruiting for mgtow. But it brings men to mgtow without that marriage, kids and divorce settlement they might have otherwise had provided to them by men.

Ironic that some of the same women who’ve bragged about the unpunished abuses of men are already staring to complain about
‘where have all the good men gone?’. I didn’t hear that so much when I was in my 20s. I hear it all the time now. I couldn’t be happier to hear it. And when I hear a young, smart, ambitious 25 year old man say it, I (quietly) high five him for it.

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[OliParticipant 33]

@brainpilot

 

[– Deleted on Request –Spectator 936]

BrainPilot:

 

One reason was that many of the original doctrines of feminism (e. g., equal pay for equal work) actually made sense.  I’m of the generation that actually accepted it, but we were betrayed.  The ideology mutated into the anarchic mess that it is today.

 

[Anonymous 14]

BrainPilot wrote:

If women were smarter and not so short sighted, they would NEVER advertise their celebrations of monstrous divorce settlements, penis amputations or other abuses of men that they get away with and then brag and high-five each other about. They would probably have the chance to get away with these things for a lot longer if they were quieter about it. Running off at the mouth like they do is basically just free recruiting for mgtow. But it brings men to mgtow without that marriage, kids and divorce settlement they might have otherwise had provided to them by men.

Your input Brain, eloquent as always. But there is something that you said here struck me. I have for a long time carefully pondered over the question why women act the way they do, expressing their gratification from male misery. I came to the conclusion that its not just because they are stupid and deluded as they are with a false sense of superiority and visions of sugarplums dancing in their heads. A female mind in general is incredibly sadistic.

The girl I mentioned in that post I made about a friend’s wife trying to pull a 50 shades on me, called me up at 2 at night and vividly described to me how she would love to torture me, cut me up then taste that blood etc. Can you even imagine thinking of doing that to someone regardless of their gender? And our minds are influenced by the testosterone in our bloodstream mind you. Still I think very few and extremely maladjusted men have such levels of barbaric kink in their minds compared to women.

That gentle, loving, kind and nurturing side is just a veil to hide their real monstrous selves. Luckily for them and unfortunately for us, they come in really visually enticing packages that provoke a deep lust not just in us due to our primal instincts that are programmed into our DNA but also to their own kind clearly demonstrating the nature of the female psyche. That also empowers them in this feebleminded society to get away with just about anything with absolute impunity where a male is made to suffer dreadful consequences for far lesser offenses.

[GoneGaltParticipant 361]

Since I’m 58, I’m of the older MGTOWs, sadly of the baby boomer generation that elected government officials so the gravy train of free gubmint cheese and other benefits could keep rolling along, all over the backs of those who had done nothing to deserve paying for it except being conceived without any choice in the matter. I am deeply p~~~ed off about this and always have been. Before I personally go off the rails on that subject, let me say that I and my generation were at the cusp of the feminist movement which hadn’t yet stained everything it touched. One of my brothers remains married to a truly wonderful woman after 40 years, so they do exist. But on the other hand most of my cousins of both sexes are divorced and went through the SSDD that was mentioned previously. Two female cousins who floated along on their good looks went through a succession of boyfriends, working as waitresses and living the high life off their boyfriends until the inevitable expiration date was reached and they became spinsters, still working as waitresses, both having eschewed college completely free of charge when it was offered by their parents. The landscape is far worse now because we have a clear history of the horrors that feminism has wrought and is still wreaking. But now the tide is turning – boys and men are no longer isolated in their experiences because of the Internet, built by men, and as they awaken one by one the word is getting out in exponential ways. I personally mention MGTOW whenever a topic or news item evokes it, and I tell people to Google it and learn about it. Things cannot continue the way they are but they will continue a lot longer than I would like because that’s the nature of people, as the red pill has a bitter taste and most will spit it out, until they’ve experienced the reality through their own painful experiences and come back for the final dose. They are exactly as I was in my twenties and thirties, so I know how much pain I had to go through to come to my own MGTOW conclusion before I even knew about it. I just hope the greater awareness spread by sites like this and YouTube videos are going to save the younger generation a s~~~load of pain (and money).

[OliParticipant 33]

Anonymous wrote:

The girl I mentioned in that post I made about a friend’s wife trying to pull a 50 shades on me

Oh so you did read the book?! :p

[Anonymous 14]

Oli wrote:

Oh so you did read the book?! :p

You have no idea what we are talking about here son so I won’t take any offense to that statement of yours.

Now since you’re new here might as well do you a favour and fill you up on it to prevent any further wildly insinuating comments like the one you made there. Mind you, any feminist or mangina who would have had the clitoris to say that to me would’ve had to spend the rest of their day with intense vaginal pain. And I don’t mean in a BDSM way. 🙂

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[GoneGaltParticipant 361]

You have to be brain-dead, have recently wakened out of a coma or live in an unheated shack in the mountains not to know the basic plot of 50 Shades without reading it since it has been a world-wide phenomenon and there are articles all over the place about it. Pretty simple – BDSM – you don’t have to read the f~~~ing book to know this, you just have to have been alive.

The series has sold over 100 million copies worldwide and been translated into 52 languages,and set a record in the United Kingdom as the fastest-selling paperback of all time.

 

[Anonymous 14]

And this is the..the thing that wrote 50 shades..

 

..familiar with the concept of reincarnation? 🙂

[AFTParticipant 2722]

As a 43 y/o I see some changes. These days I think younger men are switched on enough to realize they need to enjoy their freedom, and they have seen enough divorce issues to know they need to protect themselves.
Since no fault divorce, which has only been around for about 50 years, woman have had all the rights with no responsibilities. So only now is the full effects evident. It has taken this long to fully understand the consequences of handing over all the rights to women.
Men are waking up, the government is forced to import population, as men correctly abstain from risking their futures. A lot of the immigrants come from traditional family backgrounds, and take a generation or two to corrupt.
I feel that my generation was the guinee pigs that feminism and no fault divorce decided to f~~~ with, and we were on the frontline, of this social change. As new generations come, they have more knowledge and men learn how to deal with their environment, better.
There will surely be further changes as feminism, will fight MGTOW, and conversely society may see sense in bringing feminism under control. Men will further adapt, but as more and more men wake up and take the red pill, they will help future generations of men by simply passing on red pill realizations.
Men are waking up earlier in their lives, it won’t be long till boys are all warned of the dangers of child maintainance, and divorce settlements.

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

[OliParticipant 33]

But I was just joking ;_;

[GoneGaltParticipant 361]

Burn in hell for showing that bitch, Triklops!!! F~~~, now I’m off my dinner … 🙁

[Anonymous 14]

GoneGalt wrote:

Burn in hell for showing that bitch, Triklops!!! F~~~, now I’m off my dinner …  

I know, I know right? But that’s what being a MGTOW is all about. Baptism by Fire!! 😀

[…Spectator 1165]

f~~~ take those pictures down inside my head. ooouch i didn’t want to see that.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

On the topic of 50 shades of grey, I have a question. Is it possible to love someone you’ve only seen in a reality show? Is gonzo porn like a reality show? If so, the love of my life, Aurora Snow, porn actress extraordinaire, has taken up writing.

She calls the makers of 50 shades pussy’s and the BDSM scenes completely wimpy and unrealistic. And she should know.

Then she goes on to describe the BDSM scene especially the one in LA with “experts” at whipping, “experts” at tying you up..etc. Nice article, you go girl.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/02/21/an-ex-porn-star-blasts-fifty-shades-of-grey-a-one-dimensional-peek-at-kink.html

On topic:

I’m 54 and so have witnessed the changes. I have been single on and off during that period and dated women much younger than me and have seen the younger side of things as well.

I think there have been major changes in society and thus a difference in the types of experience that causes men to go their own way.

I am very much of the generation and sense of things as GoneGalt wrote.

IMO

Women as humans that are naturally manipulative liars has been the same since before Mesopotamia.

Women today are very much different than women of 35 years ago. Like GoneGalt said, we were the last breathe of a society that valued marriage and thought divorce was not something you do lightly if at all. So I was 9 in 1969 when the first state instituted no fault divorce.

California was the first U.S. state to adopt what are now called ‘no-fault’ divorces in the United States in 1969.[2] California’s law was framed on an earlier and roughly contemporaneous effort, of the non-governmental organization, National Conference of Commissioners on Uniform State Laws, which began drafting a model of no-fault divorce statute for states to consider in 1967.[3]

I got married in 1982 13 years after no fault and things had just begun to unravel. The first children of no-fault are around 35 today.

Before 1969 the only way you could get divorced is if you could prove:

Adultery Abandonment for a certain length of time Prison confinement A spouse is physically unable to have sexual intercourse Inflicting emotional or physical pain (cruelty)

With no fault divorce 70% of divorces are initiated by the female and mostly for “irreconsilable” differences. That means she got bored or wants to trade up. Get old and try to marry up, brilliant strategy ladies.

So # 1 We went from a fault based divorce where you actually had to do something wrong to lose your family and your children to our current situation where she leaves and takes everything including your closest love ones, you children, and makes you pay for a third of your life.

Back then, and I was definitely feeling this way, if your marriage isn’t working you must keep working on it. Divorce was a dirty word.

I think both men and women today expect to get divorced and go in with their eyes wide open. So the rate of marriage has plummeted.

The second blow, #2, women in the workplace. Women came into the workplace because they were taught that raising children was the worse burden ever invented against women. Once in the workplace the first order of business was to create special programs so our snowflakes aren’t treated as bad as those mean men and creating a hostile environment for men. No male oriented postings, banter, business. It all had to first get approval from the queen bee. Then all male spaces were made illegal.

The third blow is happening right now. Women are giving up having a man at all in their children’s lives. The single mother rate in the black community went from 20% to 70% and the white community is catching up with 40% single mother rate.

They do this because as men have seen there fathers get pushed out of the family these men try to cope by being closer and more involved with the children. When women saw that men were moving in on their territory they cut men out completely with single motherhood. Single men have much less of a case for custody than married men.

So for men from the sixties and early seventies, current 50 year old MGTOW, the older crowd here, we were raised to desperately do what it takes to make our relationship work out, even toughing it out during the inevitable bad times, a subject that was much written about at the time. Just leaving was out. So the new divorce culture took us by surprise and changed the game. We got caught in the middle with no model men to learn from. We are bitter.

The women of the sixties and seventies got exactly what they asked for and have created a society where women hate men, compete with them, literally lack the ability to cooperate with any man, and would leave any relationship for the smallest bump in the road. And if there are no bumps they leave because of boredom. They don’t care about the consequences because there are none. The continue to get the benefits good wives got 35 years ago for simply living with a guy and letting him sperm done them a child. Which you pay for for 18-26 years.

This is the deal and no one is shy about saying it. In fact our women are proud of it.

I see some young men today as trying to get lucky and meet that one that’s not like that. They desperately want to recreate a good marriage. They are delusional and have families that care more about women than their own flesh and blood. Sexist bigots. Very much celebrated today. These men will be taken to the cleaners and stripped of their children very soon after marriage.

Then I see another kind of young man going their own way, leaving girls in the dust. Having adventures, playing video games, traveling, good times with friends, enjoying the wide and deep variety of professional young women happy to have sex for our visual enjoyment at a very reasonable cost and not giving a s~~~ about the angry feminastes who are so boring they are left home on Saturday night.

Cue the dildo.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[GoneGaltParticipant 361]

Excellent post, HRFNSTF!

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