occams razor

[743 roadmasterParticipant]

Insider job/demolition theory world trade center

1. This is New York City, it never sleeps.

2. World trade center, business that ran 24/7. People in and out all hours of the day and night.

3. Cops and security guards.

4. People, employed and doing business in the trade center

5. What do you need to do the job. Millions of pounds of explosives. 100’s of industrial grade tools. In order to get the job done in a timely manner 100’s of explosive experts.

Now lets all all 5 together. New York City, World trade center always awake always something going on. Cops, security guards and people doing business.
So in order for this to work you would have to be able to smuggle in millions of pounds of explosives into one of the busiest areas in NYC with out anyone seeing. Next set the explosives with out anyone seeing. Then you still have to weaken the support structures with the power tools.
IF you say done at night, I am to believe that ALL the cops and ALL the security guards saw nothing? You telling me the companies with safes installed(that would be every jewelry stores. and companies that sold commodities) with private guards would not pick up the phone upon seeing guys with saws and explosives to call out the police? Or at least his boss?

See how stupid it gets real fast? Still did not get into the noise level needed for the set up, that no one ever heard. OR no one noticed all of the explosives experts from around the globe wandering all around the buildings.

The other part of the razor, two planes crash into the buildings start combustibles on fire which in time weakens the structure, which collapse and keep burning in time taking down surrounding structures.

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[UntamedParticipant]

You don’t need millions of pounds of explosives to bring down a building. A couple hundred pounds of plastique should do the job.
As for the I-beams that support the whole shebang, Yellow Cake can take care of those in a split second, cutting that s~~~ in half once it reaches a thousand degrees.
People and security guards have reported construction workers were there for a couple months some months prior to the attack. Plenty of time to place the charges and walze away.
Security guards and on-site reporters have reported explosions prior to the buildings collapsing.
They have now admitted to control-demolish building 7. Why did it take this long for them to reveal that?
That’s just one of the hundreds of legitimate questions that remain unanswered.
Unless we’re supposed to believe that an old man, sick on dialysis and probably already dead by the time of the events, masterminded and directed a group of kamikazes staying in the U.S for years illegally, training to get pilot licenses, and all that from a cave while hooked up to a blood-cleaning machine. OK.

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[Solo MAN’S WisdomParticipant]

Untamed wrote:

A couple hundred pounds of plastique should do the job.

Or 10’s of pounds of thermite plasma, which burns at temperatures high enough to melt steel.

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[DocParticipant]

You have to hand it to Occam’s Razor.
It usually is correct.

Is it correct here? ‘Probably’ or more accurately
‘Most probably’.

Hard as that may seem to digest

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

[Sky-OParticipant 18949]

You do not need ‘millions’ of pounds of explosives.

A few hundred pounds of LIQUID THERMITE was all that was needed.

A few hundred pounds, over the course of a three month period prior to 9/11

As in the three month period prior: When the US government had concrete evidence that the attacks were going to be in September. And they decided rather than stop it, just go ahead and roll with it. And do so for maximum benefit:

01 – Include WTC7 in the deal (multiple reasons why)

02 – Initiate a false flag war with Iraq over ‘WMDs’

03 – Secure Iraq’s oil. Get rid of the CIAs gone rogue leader of Iraq (Saddam knew too much and was going to start trading oil in Euros)

04 – Maintain the US military industrial complex for the next two decades: 2001 to approaching 2021

And regarding the few hundred pounds or as much as 50 pounds per floor for the forty floors required (2,000 pounds total) of liquid thermite –

FYI: More pounds of toilet paper and copy paper routinely made its way into those buildings in less time than it took to get liquid thermite in.

Occam’s Razor: EXACTLY

A controlled demolition.

A systematic, orderly and we’ll orchestrated controlled demolition.

Not understood by those that suffer from cognitive dissonance.

[UntamedParticipant]

Solo MAN’S Wisdom wrote:

Untamed wrote:

A couple hundred pounds of plastique should do the job.

Or 10’s of pounds of thermite plasma, which burns at temperatures high enough to melt steel.

The planes might’ve carried the plasma while the buildings were rigged with plastic and yellow cake.
Either way, I’m not buying the official version. No way those illegals would’ve been able to pull a job like that unless they had inside help. It’s not like the U.S alphabet list of security services were asleep, it wasn’t the first terrorist attack on U.S soil.
I’m still waiting to see the remains of the plane that crashed into the Pentagon, a plane with no seats, wings or tail.
But what do I know. I’m a simple guy going his own way, I shouldn’t even have an opinion on something that doesn’t concern me.

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[ZarathustraParticipant 2246]

Let me flip it back to you… what is simpler? That a handful of terrorists armed with BOX CUTTERS managed to overwhelm and control a plane full of 100’s of people and then fly those planes to their targets without help from ground control with only training on single engine planes while evading the most sophisticated air defence system in the world, or it was an inside job?

Its a long argument but I have actually computed the probabilities of 911 happening the way the powers that be say that it happened and its about .012%.

[ZarathustraParticipant 2246]

Oh yeah… the key is that these terrorists armed with box cutters completed their mission successfully, not once, not twice, but three times! Without any interference from the United States Air Force. Yeah… that seems reasonable.

[DocParticipant]

I guess the question that needs answering is this –
If the official version of events is untrue and it was an inside job why go to the lengths that they did.
What I’m trying to say is this – if the government conspired to use 9/11 as a catalyst for some sort of outcome, what did they want to achieve and could that outcome have been achieved with less effort.
It’s a hell of a thing to pull off ifnits an inside job.
If the aim was to justify going to war in the Middle East surely there was easier ways to rally people to their cause.
I don’t know how off the top of my head but given what North Korea are doing at the moment couldn’t the government missilled some part of a quiet continent, convinced everyone the missile attack came from whoever the government wanted to go to war with and explain that unless action is taken the same will happpen again.

I don’t know.
I’m not saying 9/11 isn’t an inside job but surely there was an easier way to achieve the desired outcome.

Has anyone here read The Black Swan by Nassim Taleb?
He explains events that he deems Black Swans. Highly unpredictable, devastating when they occur but entirely explainable after the fact.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

[ZarathustraParticipant 2246]

What did they achieve?

1.) The suspension of civil liberties in the U.S. and the creation of a surveillance state (Patriot act)

2.) A pre-text to invade two countries: Iraq and Afghanistan without incurring the political censure of other nations.

3.) An increase in military presence in the middle east where the U.S. covets oil reserves.

4.) A financial windfall from the insiders selling “Puts” on airline and insurance stocks.

5.) The ouster of Sadam Hussein, who was a political wild card in a politically sensitive region with oil reserves.

6.) An opportunity to redevelop the World Trade Center land, likely the most valuable land in all the world….

etc etc…

Since WWII the U.S. military complex has been gaining increasing control but by 2001 the cold war was over and there were no juicy profitable wars to pursue. So, 911 guaranteed them the opportunity to wage war against “Terrorism” for perpetuity, ensuring they had a never ending growth industry for their products. After all you can’t successfully win a war against a noun, so this war has the potential to go on forever, giving the good people at Boeing, Haliburton, Rayethon etc… the opportunity to make money had over fist forever. CUI BONO? The U.S. Military complex.

[DocParticipant]

Zarathustra wrote:

What did they achieve?

1.) The suspension of civil liberties in the U.S. and the creation of a surveillance state (Patriot act)

2.) A pre-text to invade two countries: Iraq and Afghanistan without incurring the political censure of other nations.

3.) An increase in military presence in the middle east where the U.S. covets oil reserves.

4.) A financial windfall from the insiders selling “Puts” on airline and insurance stocks.

5.) The ouster of Sadam Hussein, who was a political wild card in a politically sensitive region with oil reserves.

6.) An opportunity to redevelop the World Trade Center land, likely the most valuable land in all the world….

etc etc…

Since WWII the U.S. military complex has been gaining increasing control but by 2001 the cold war was over and there were no juicy profitable wars to pursue. So, 911 guaranteed them the opportunity to wage war against “Terrorism” for perpetuity, ensuring they had a never ending growth industry for their products. After all you can’t successfully win a war against a noun, so this war has the potential to go on forever, giving the good people at Boeing, Haliburton, Rayethon etc… the opportunity to make money had over fist forever. CUI BONO? The U.S. Military complex.

Fair points there Zarathustra. I can’t argue with that.
I’m open minded though. Maybe it was an inside job. Maybe not. Will we ever find out for sure?

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

[743 roadmasterParticipant]

well we passed up sane and logical real quick.

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[ZarathustraParticipant 2246]

Honestly I don’t think we can ever know, not for certain, but we can play the probabilities and 911 happening has a very low probability. I used some basic assumptions and came up with a probability of .19% 911 happens the way they said it did. Look at it this way…. The supposed 911 missions by “Al-Quaeda” are not all that different than say a Kamikaze pilot in WWII. We know the success rate of the Kamikze because they kept such meticulous military records, its about 17% (You can look it up on Wikipedia). What is outrageous about 911, I repeat this again because its so preposterous, is that not one, not two but three terrorist groups were successful. If they were Kamikaze’s the probability of 4 planes and 3 successful missions would be .17 x .17 x .17 = or about .5%. Its just so unlikely. The only reason the official narrative got off the ground is because: 1.) Wishful thinking. No one in the Western World wants to believe our own government, or a cell within the government, would do this…. and 2.) They saturated the media with the official narrative minutes after the attacks and kept repeating the same story until it was the gospel before anyone could question it….

[Anonymous 14]

Hey Cuckmaster, you going to ever have an actual conversation instead of posting pics of your boyfriends wearing hats and then running away while holding your skirt up?

Sidecuck operates in the same manner, without the pics though… he just disappears once challenged, never addresses a point you ask to be addressed, even if you ask it to be addressed repeatedly…

Provide me with video evidence of a steel building falling like 7 did from a small brief non intense fire… That s~~~ was demolished. And since it takes longer than a couple hours to rig a building of that size it had to of been rigged beforehand. There is no footage of a small army of demolitions experts rushing in there to set it up to bring it down in two hours, it could not be done that quickly, no matter how many men you had…Do some research, it takes a month to or so to wire a building of that size to fall as it did.

And just like all the other guys who argue this s~~~ you leave out the most glaring factor; Building 7 came straight down after only a small and brief fire…I will ask you the same thing I asked Sidecuck last night before he ran off holding his skirt up… Can you provide me with video evidence of any other large steel building falling as 7 did after only a brief and non intense fire? You can’t because steel does not all fail all at once, it weakens when heated, then folds over. Spend some time on Youtube watching steel buildings with intense fire, none behave as 7 did. To believe the official story of Building 7 you would have to believe that the fire was so even and intense that it made every single support beam fail catastrophically at the exact same moment, but wait, it is even worse because THE BUILDING WAS BARELY ON FIRE AND ONLY FOR A SHORT TIME AT THAT. Here is footage of how a steel building partially falls after 24 hours of fire, note how intense the fire is as well at failure, and note what is left. Then compare that to the miracle free fall of Building 7.

[ZarathustraParticipant 2246]

Final point… “conspiracy theories” carry a pejorative taint that has been carefully cultivated but it is those who don’t believe in conspiracy who should think twice. WE ALL BELIEVE IN CONSPIRACY THEORIES! Unless, that is, you don’t think theft, bank robberies, murder for hire etc… happen. Because what are those events but conspiracies? The bank robbers are conspirators and robbing the bank a conspiracy etc… The only thing separating these more mundane examples from 911 is that you find it plausible that “the murder” would murder or the “bank robber” would rob, but don’t find plausible the government would do the same on a bigger scale, despite countless historical examples to the contrary that governments do engage in this kind of crime.

[ZarathustraParticipant 2246]

With you on WT7, that seals the deal for me.

[743 roadmasterParticipant]

OK, lets go with the crazy conspiracy theory.

George Bush is president, What dose the media want more then anything in the world……remove George Bush from office.

So we have at a the least the NY times.

Evidence of demolition would instantly bring down Bush. Explosives residue, Cut beams, Contractors who did the job, containers the explosives came in, the list goes on. What do we have out of all the media that has the goal of removing GWB? Nothing, no explosives residue, no cut support beams, no explosives packages, and we all know the media goes on much less to convict someone in the news.

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[Anonymous 14]

743 roadmaster wrote:

OK, lets go with the crazy conspiracy theory.

George Bush is president, What dose the media want more then anything in the world……remove George Bush from office.

So we have at a the least the NY times.

Evidence of demolition would instantly bring down Bush. Explosives residue, Cut beams, Contractors who did the job, containers the explosives came in, the list goes on. What do we have out of all the media that has the goal of removing GWB? Nothing, no explosives residue, no cut support beams, no explosives packages, and we all know the media goes on much less to convict someone in the news.

I don’t need to attempt to explain how it all happened to have a valid opinion that what I was told happened is complete bulls~~~. If you can’t see bulls~~~ when it is right in front of your face, your problem, not mine. You are the one who has to jump through more hoops than I do to maintain your opinion… That is the Tin Foil Hat s~~~ right there…And just like Sidecuck, you refuse to address the point I made.

Oh, and by the way, MSNBC, who would be one of the biggest proponents in bringing down any Republican is owned by General Electric, one of the worlds largest arms/bomb makers… I take it you did not notice how they along with CNN gave Peace Prize Obama a pass even though he did nothing but wage more and more war…? War is good for business when you are in the business of servicing war. I can sit and attempt to address every point you make with you ignoring mine, but that is not a CONVERSATION, so I am out, peace.

[743 roadmasterParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

743 roadmaster wrote:

OK, lets go with the crazy conspiracy theory.

George Bush is president, What dose the media want more then anything in the world……remove George Bush from office.

So we have at a the least the NY times.

Evidence of demolition would instantly bring down Bush. Explosives residue, Cut beams, Contractors who did the job, containers the explosives came in, the list goes on. What do we have out of all the media that has the goal of removing GWB? Nothing, no explosives residue, no cut support beams, no explosives packages, and we all know the media goes on much less to convict someone in the news.

I don’t need to attempt to explain how it all happened to have a valid opinion that what I was told happened is complete bulls~~~. If you can’t see bulls~~~ when it is right in front of your face, your problem, not mine. You are the one who has to jump through more hoops than I do to maintain your opinion… That is the Tin Foil Hat s~~~ right there…And just like Sidecuck, you refuse to address the point I made.

Oh, and by the way, MSNBC, who would be the biggest proponent in bringing down any Republican is owned by General Electric, the worlds largest bomb makers… War is good business when you are in the business of servicing war. I can sit and try to attempt to address every point you make with you ignoring mine, but that is not a CONVERSATION, so I am out, peace.

show me the proof.
Reports of explosives residue
photos of cut support structures
contractor that came forward later and stated it was an inside job, because you all know something like that would not be secret for long
The tools
Photos of the spent detonators used in the job.
etc etc etc

Why nothing because there is none. No proof none not one single scrap. It is all internet conspiracy theory.
On top of that the media would have been all over it the moment it came out.

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[DocParticipant]

Ok. Here’s my final thought.
Perhaps I struggle to accept that Goverments could act in such a way. I won’t deny that.

I remember the first time I sa the collapse of WT7 real time and even then thought it fell in the same way buildings drop under controlled detonation.

But maybe I have just accepted the official narrative and find the alternative to crazy for my mind – which tries to be rational – to accept.

But returning to the true meaning of Occam’s Razor which may not apply here. The simplest explanation is usually correct.

It would be insane if classified documents are realased to our descendants that reveals the government were behind the whole deal.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

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