Neither Political Party Is Your Friend

[SandalsParticipant 4253]

sidecar wrote:

Republicans have their own faults, but you cannot pin that “Deadbeat Dad” punishing crap on them. Doing so is factually incorrect.

It is this very thinking that keeps you enslaved. If you are not open to understanding what I am saying about a two-headed one party system, then we will continue on this path of having our money taken from us forever. That is how the system perpetuates.

Slavery is not like in movies. Slaves do not have shackles on their legs. Not even prisoners picking up the trash on the highway have chains. Slavery is kept alive by IDEAS in the mind, like “the Republicans are fighting for us”.

Anonymous wrote:

Ok, confirmed bats~~~ crazy or paid shill to make us look bad.

WOW! Insulted me. Refuses to argue a point. Have no facts. Short responses. Then insult me again, then ACCUSE me of being a SHILL!

Ok. Now we see very clearly. A city on a hill cannot be hidden.

[MenckenParticipant 693]

Taxation is theft.

Misogynist - A man who hates women as much as women hate one another.

[Anonymous 42]

Sandals wrote:

WOW! Insulted me. Refuses to argue a point. Have no facts. Short responses. Then insult me again, then ACCUSE me of being a SHILL!

Don’t feel bad, I got called Bats~~~ crazy, regardless of my mental health, it’s not a nice thing to say…

[SandalsParticipant 4253]

Well, I was once young and into Paul. Paul is seductive, I know. But I just did not get why Paul insulted Trump so badly in 2012. That really made me think.

It’s hard to see things. We never have a complete picture. When I was young I believed many things which I now see are not correct. I used to think Alex Jones was bats~~~ crazy when he said the democrats are a bunch of devil worshiping pedophilias. I even stopped listening to him. Then, bam – out came the podesta emails, and it turns out they are, in fact devil worshipping pedophilias. Swallowing blue pills is tough. Really tough. It was tough for me. I think it’s tough for all of us. But we should stand up and fight when someone wants to throw ad hominems and not argue points. I respect points. If Trump has taught us one thing it’s that we should stand up for ourselves and not allow others to define the narrative with condescending remarks.

I am certainly open to a discussion about Paul or conservatism or whatever. I appreciate discussions, and I appreciate when I learn that I am not correct on something.

Earlier, I was referring to Mark Levin, who tries to hypnotize his audience by using the word “conservative” every three seconds. Levin doesn’t support Trump either. All these talk show hosts are leading us astray – they never really say anything useful.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Sandals wrote:

If you are not open to understanding what I am saying about a two-headed one party system,

I understand it. It’s just wrong. Wrong the same way that it would be wrong to say coke and pepsi are the same company. They aren’t. But they are functionally identical.

Your idea is overly simplistic as well. The two major parties are nothing more than fronts for various corporate and moneyed interests. They’re not two headed because they’re not heads. They’re sock puppets. Some interests have their hands in both socks, but not all of them. Most support just one party, but they support it because their competition supports the other party, and for no other reason.

[SandalsParticipant 4253]

sidecar wrote:

I understand it. It’s just wrong.

Is it? Heard of Soros? It seems you are agreeing with me, and then saying I am incorrect.

W had a Republican House, Senate, and Supreme Court. Now so does Trump (or will soon). Who is fighting Trump the most? Democrats, who are not in control? Or “Republicans”?

Isn’t it funny how nothing every changes? And things just keep getting worse, and worse, and worse, and worse for us men? Even though those Republicans just really really really want to help us, and get those pesky women out of our pockets.

By their fruits we shall know them.

[SandalsParticipant 4253]

sidecar wrote:

The two major parties are nothing more than fronts for various corporate and moneyed interests.

I agree with this. Isn’t that why we need to support Trump taking over? This isn’t the 1770s. The world has changed.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Sandals wrote:

Is it? Heard of Soros?

Soros is one of those moneyed interests. His hand is in the democrat sock puppet almost exclusively. By your reasoning he would be controlling both.

It seems you are agreeing with me, and then saying I am incorrect.

It seems you lack the wit to comprehend how you are incorrect.

Sandals wrote:

Isn’t that why we need to support Trump taking over?

And that, right there, is where you demonstrate your lack of wit the most.

[Anonymous 5]

Damn, calm down, the world is not out to get you.

[Anonymous 24]

Sandals wrote:

WOW! Insulted me. Refuses to argue a point. Have no facts. Short responses. Then insult me again, then ACCUSE me of being a SHILL!

Ok. Now we see very clearly. A city on a hill cannot be hidden.

You repeatedly call for a dictatorship and try to rally men behind such an idea on a website called Men Going Their Own Way, and then you are surprised when a Libertarian calls you bats~~~ crazy for doing so?

You are bats~~~ crazy.

Have a nice night-

[SandalsParticipant 4253]

sidecar wrote:

Sandals wrote:

Is it? Heard of Soros?

Soros is one of those moneyed interests. His hand is in the democrat sock puppet almost exclusively. By your reasoning he would be controlling both.

It seems you are agreeing with me, and then saying I am incorrect.

It seems you lack the wit to comprehend how you are incorrect.

Sandals wrote:

Isn’t that why we need to support Trump taking over?

And that, right there, is where you demonstrate your lack of wit the most.

What am I wrong about and how am I wrong?

[Anonymous 2]

Anonymous wrote:

Murph wrote:

Then why do conservative politicians in the U.S. support laws that make men pay child support for kids that are not theirs? Show me all the Republicans in the U.S. that are trying to get laws taken off the books that force men to pay child support for kids that are not theirs.

Hold up! I said NOTHING about POLITICIANS or REPUBLICANS, I said “philosophy” neither the republicans or their politicians are “conservatives”, hypocrites yes! conservatives no! Ron Paul is a “conservative”, the Tea Party are “conservatives”.

Throw that mudball somewhere else!

Forgive me if I misunderstood you. I just want to see my fellow MGTOW brothers stay focused on the fact that we are all getting screwed by both sides.

[SandalsParticipant 4253]

Anonymous wrote:

You repeatedly call for a dictatorship and try to rally men behind such an idea on a website called Men Going Their Own Way, and then you are surprised when a Libertarian calls you bats~~~ crazy for doing so?

I should have clarified. You are LIVING in a dictatorship. I would rather have 1 benevolent individual dictating to me than 455 people and 50 governors dictating to me, with their differing laws and requirements and having to fill out state and federal taxes and abide by opposite laws and have everyone’s hand in my pocket, and my homeland be pillaged by foreigners, etc…

Wouldn’t you?

Dictatorship just means someone is dictating to you – that is all. If there is a government there is dictatorship. You are libertarian so you know that. I used to be a die-hard libertarian so I understand you don’t want government. I used to think people who advocated for this or that government were “bats~~~ crazy”. And then I got a little experience under my belt – worked for a while, learned a little more, read a little more, traveled the world, saw some s~~~ people shouldn’t have to see, and experienced things people should never have to experience…

If you have one benevolent emperor, at least you know the law. At least you know where you stand. Right now, with 455 dictators, all requiring different things for their corporate interests, life is a living hell for those who just want to do business freely and be left alone (like, libertarians).

There’s a reason things are currently structured the way they are. It’s because of the way we as a collective society think. You may believe you are going your own way, but every hour you work… almost all of it is going into the pocket of a WOMEN somewhere who is part of a network to extort you with those dictators in our government.

Think about it – it takes just a couple of weeks to build a house, and once the foundation is laid, only two or three guys can finish the job. But it takes THIRTY years to pay for it. You’re being completely fleeced by your non-dictatorship democracy, er… dictatorship.

So maybe you don’t marry a girl, but you are in fact married to ALL of them because of this government, and that is a point worth thinking about. That is why Trump should be emperor – so YOU can go your own way. Trump has already demonstrated he agrees with you with two tight prenuptial agreements with his previous wives, and wrote a chapter in his book called the Business of Marriage.

[Anonymous 42]

^^^ I 100% agree! Ya may as well get f~~~ed by someone you like vs. someone you hate!

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

If you don’t see the difference between what a feminist America looks like versus a Trump and, by extension, republican you need glasses.

Obama was an avowed feminist. Trump is on record that women are treated better than men in this society. He wants to do away with affirmative action and set asides for women.

That goes against 150 years of cowtowing to women. It’s revolutionary.

If you don’t think it’s a zero sum game I have a bridge in Arizona I might interest you in.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[Anonymous 24]

So, let me get this straight-

There are one or more of you espousing that I should get on board with backing a dictatorship because it would mean a knocking down of barriers that are in the way of doing business and possibly better for men because of xyz and because Trump said some s~~~. Nothing could go wrong, right? What about other barriers a dictatorship would knock down? What little barriers that are left in regards to war are slim already (Libya, full on rogue move by Obama). Now don’t get me wrong, sounds great in theory if all went well, but what you fail to see is that the #1 business is war, and you are talking to someone who hates, more than anything, having his money used to kill people in other countries who did me nor their neighbors harm. And here we have Trump, full on rabid team Zionist with Breitbart and crew behind him, seemingly intent on waging more war (Iran clearly in the sights), and you are trying to convince me to get on board backing a dictatorship led by these people?

No, I will not willingly be a part of your Crusades no matter what goodies you promise me. I will continue going my own way. F~~~ off. Go pedal your bulls~~~ to someone else, I ain’t having it.

[AttonParticipant]

Neither part has any plans on addressing the issues of men.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[Zuberi TauParticipant 10606]

I don’t have stock invested in either side because it’s a two headed snake.

[Prefer Peace to PieceParticipant 10809]

Murph-

I’m impressed. We will probably not find freedom or salvation in either political party.

I could be wrong, but there appears to be an unseen hand that controls everything. Neither political party actually makes important decisions independently. I don’t know about Trump.

I remember reading Ralph Epperson’s book, “The Unseen Hand: An Introduction to the Conspiratorial View of History”.

Ralph Epperson contends that the major events of the past, the revolutions, the wars, the depressions and the revolutions, have been planned years in advance by wealthy men/corporations. He has a Conspiratorial View of History. What he says may have some merit. I wonder if the rich guys like Soros are involved with our politics. Thanks.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Sandals wrote:

What am I wrong about and how am I wrong?

Where to begin?

I’ll stick to the two most basic things:

1. We do not have a single party masquerading as two parties. They are quite distinct. Neither is 100% on our side, but that does not make them identical. There are lesser evils. You shouldn’t be voting for parties anyways. Base your decisions on candidates themselves, not the letter after their name.

2. We’ve already had an emperor accountable to no-one. His name was Obama. Yet another imperial presidency is an incredibly stupid idea, no matter who is in charge. You speak of a benevolent emperor, but there is no such thing. Instead of concentrating power even more, what we really need to do is roll back the powers of the presidency and the federal government in general. When you have a single point of power, all the moneyed interests need only buy that single point to gain control. When you have a limited, and distributed government, there are too many separate points of power for them to have to buy for too little benefit.

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