MGTOW campaign to "not have children" a resounding success.

[SolidParticipant 7520]

Gargamel wrote:

The curve coincides with the onset of “mass internet” since 2006.

Looking to the other side, what you think about the hypothesis that easy access to porn and to information (manosphere) lowered the fertility rate ?

[Anonymous 6]

Something to remember is that those in the lower economic class tend to have more children than the average. That mean poor white trash, ghetto blacks, etc. That has always been the case and always will be. So we have that to look forward to.

[SwimcatParticipant 3597]

The low birth rate really doesn’t effect the total population in Western Countries when you factor in immigration. With half of Asia, Africa, and the Middle East desperately trying to get to the west, and idiot governments like Canada and Germany to take them in.

[Anonymous 3]

The birth rate actually isn’t that low, that chart is just designed to make it look like that. It also only goes back to 1990, on purpose, because if you look at a longer term chart you see there have been far lower periods.

They call it the baby boom for a reason. It was abnormally high. Go back before that, and birth rates were a lot lower than they are today.

Actually there are 3.9M births now. I just checked the data a few weeks ago, up through the end of 2016.

The US is so ridiculously overpopulated. Only about 4M people die, so sure I guess that doesn’t technically replace everyone, but it’s really only a drop of 100k people which is nothing.

If people want things to change, the birth rate has to drop to around 500K people a year. At that point the government and bankers won’t be able to f~~~ over people as much as they are. Few animals breed well in captivity, and in the modern world we are all captives.

I think any non-elite that has children today is incredibly selfish and uncaring. Their children won’t have a chance, it’s a cycle of poverty and misery for most. If you want to have children, have the power to actually protect them. Own some property and means of providing for yourself and them, independent of needing to rely on an employer and wage income—the lowest form of life is trading your body for resources out of necessity. All nobles through history have never had to do that, their lives had inherent worth, they had resources, property, assets. That is the least anyone owes to a child.

[Anonymous 12]

Jan Sobieski wrote:

Spain is at 1.3, iirc.

Singapore is the lowest 0.83
https://www.statista.com/statistics/268083/countries-with-the-lowest-fertility-rates/

[Secret Agent MGTOWParticipant 22543]

Little to no impact.

Masturbation has always existed and we have 7.5 billion people here. Porn may take the edge off but porn doesnt stop babies being born.

Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.

[MonkeyMindParticipant 5340]

I can’t wait for the inevitable barrage of pointless article claiming that this is somehow the Menz fault.

[Anonymous 6]

MonkeyMind wrote:

I can’t wait for the inevitable barrage of pointless article claiming that this is somehow the Menz fault.

Which would contradict “her body, her choice.” Funny how they only use that when it works for them.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Carnage wrote:

And of course the culprit is THE ECONOMY…

Because women always take the economy into consideration when they have the baby rabies /sarcasm

Compare this chart to the rate of single motherhood and the rate of under 30 vasectomies and you see the economy has f~~~ all to do with it. Economies go up and down. If it were muh economies men wouldn’t be taking permanent steps like vasectomies.

At BEST the economy accounted for the slight bump around 2013, but that has done little to stem the downward spiral.

But that is not our problem.

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Anonymous wrote:

The US is so ridiculously overpopulated.

Germany is the equivalent of 1/3 of the U.S. population compressed on an area the size of Texas.

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[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Solid wrote:

Gargamel wrote:

The curve coincides with the onset of “mass internet” since 2006.

Looking to the other side, what you think about the hypothesis that easy access to porn and to information (manosphere) lowered the fertility rate ?

Easy access to porn has accelerated everything. Since smartphones, children at school can watch these things at way below the age of adolescence.

Girls starting to have sex at age 11 and when they are in their “marriageable” age, they already have the 1000 c~~~ stare and can technically be considered a slut.

Boys rather get bored by porn and then look for other ways to spend their time. After all, besides the “voyeuristic thrill”, porn movies are boring and if you’ve seen one, you’ve seen them all.

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[AwakenedParticipant 35203]

And, the lil Cupcake looks on in astonishment, “Where have ALL the GOOD MEN GONE ?????”

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

Remove me! wrote:

Since I had my first (and only child), I was begged by my wife to have a second. I said nope. I dated this girl last year who wanted children. I said no. Without children, they have less power to hold over our heads.

Regarding children as power is the cause of their decline. If a child is nothing more than something to club a man with, why would a man carve clubs to be beaten with. They will never call out the real cause of this decline anymore than they will blame woman for overeating. It’s the economy, her thyroid, patriarchy but never blame HER behaviors as a cause.

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

Or, as we read in articles everywhere now, men are getting wise to the trap children are and are avoiding children or at most having one to fight over.

Speak to any male parent. Their all unhappy.

I was speaking to a married friend last night with a 6 year old married 12 years and he said that he thought he would get divorced when the kid grows up and that it’s amazing that he and his wife still have sex.

Sign me up. Oh, yeah, I did that twice. How does that expression go? Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me…lol.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[Knights Templar RisingParticipant 5114]

This only means women’s “happiness factor” will continue to plummet, oh the lulz…

Sovereignty above all else.

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Here is something I just wrote in a different thread, “regarding” children…

Anonymous wrote:

WOMB TURDS FOR A MAN ONLY MEANS FORCED SLAVERY! F~~~ING RUN!

Women MADE it that way by behaving like s~~~, treating their men like garbage and passing on the hate and disrespect to these children.

I have lived though this hell they gave my father and I was supposed to hate him too or get in trouble with the c~~~hood. And I chose the diplomatic “middle of the road”. It was a constant war at home. And in that setting I never developed the “emotional” readiness to ever want or have children.

Children – all by themselves – would be fun to have if you could actually STILL GET a real partner that “pulls on one string” with you and not constantly fights against you.

Currently, society=c~~~s only make us pay for THEIR children.

We men no longer count and that’s why we also withhold our time, money, effort and LOVE.

Secondly:

Take the average income of a man and subtract all of the out-of-control demands and wishes his c~~~ has.

After all of her status symbol SUV, mansion, cosmetics, shoes, clothes, house makeover, a 40 k kitchen and exclusive furniture is paid off…

… then there is no time and money left to raise children.

We 1970’s kids mostly grew up in households with used furniture and father drove a rusty beater.

And the school bus took us to school for cheap.

Mommy did not “need” a car with a steering wheel so big she can hardly look over it. And huge truck-like tires that cost 300 bucks each. And her SUV costs more to “inspect and maintain” than the food for one kid for 3 months.

And there were hardly any expensive electronics in our parents’ households…

And the phone bill was “marginal”.

And we not use the expensive to operate car to drive 50 miles for some burgers. We went shopping once a week and filled the fridge and kitchen cupboard with cost effective supplies.

We were not fat.

We did not buy ridiculously sweetened and thus overpriced foods.

That’s why today, children are no longer affordable. But it’s always “the economy” that’s to blame.

C~~~s don’t see the elephant in the room.

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[BoarParticipant]

Gargamel wrote:

C~~~s don’t see the elephant in the room.

I respectfully disagree. Whiymn are the best-in-class when it comes to spotting personal culpability and evading it. When there is a society that hands out the pussy pass like ice cream at summer camp, why should they take any responsibility at all?

Untamed wrote: Quit complaining and Go Your Own Way in whatever manner suits you best.

[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Today, children are something for the super-rich.

And if you are a standard earner and achieve a good standard of living by maintaining your own cars, fixing your own electronics and appliances, building your own house with your bare hands, then the c~~~ degrades you for “having the need for” doing so.

You constantly have to listen to s~~~ like “I wish you were a better catch” or “I should have married a rich men”…

“Now I’m stuck with SOMEONE LIKE YOU” (Including “the disgusted tone” we know so well)

Hard not to think of a violent retaliation…

I personally have lost all motivations to ever lift a finger for a c~~~ that makes me want to kick her useless insulting ass.

Let her become a dry plum waiting for Mr. Right.

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[GargamelSpectator 29101]

Boar wrote:

I respectfully disagree. Whiymn are the best-in-class when it comes to spotting personal culpability and evading it. When there is a society that hands out the pussy pass like ice cream at summer camp, why should they take any responsibility at all?

Let me correct what I wrote:

C~~~s don’t WANT to see the elephant in the room.

Seeing the elephant would compromise their comfort zone and expose their mental illness.

In July of 2018, this honey pot forum was sold out to an unidentified NPC sock puppet and troll organization. Most independent thinkers and writers migrated to other MGTOW forums as a result of the never-ending infighting and deliberate trouble starting caused by members who were given "carte blanche" by the admin to do whatever they want. Before my departure, I only left a few thousand cat pics here to comfort and ridicule the feminist owners who now run this place. Their background agenda is to make MGTOW look like a club of losers the public eye. And during the course of 2019, they actually managed to destroy almost all other MGTOW venues as well. Here is the truth about "theindependentman.org" aka "TIM" which was created as an extended workbench to further divide the community. When you register, they install a spyware Zombie cookie on your browser that does all kinds of things the user does not know of: http://www.filedropper.com/essay-on-the-removal-of-malware-cookies-used-by-tim

[Anonymous 42]

Gargamel wrote:

Today, children are something for the super-rich.

And if you are a standard earner and achieve a good standard of living by maintaining your own cars, fixing your own electronics and appliances, building your own house with your bare hands, then the c~~~ degrades you for “having the need for” doing so.

You constantly have to listen to s~~~ like “I wish you were a better catch” or “I should have married a rich men”…

“Now I’m stuck with SOMEONE LIKE YOU” (Including “the disgusted tone” we know so well)

Hard not to think of a violent retaliation…

I personally have lost all motivations to ever lift a finger for a c~~~ that makes me want to kick her useless insulting ass.

Let her become a dry plum waiting for Mr. Right.

I do all my own maintenance A to Z except W (women), they’re not repairable, everything is warped, bent, or burnt from the fires of feminism and gynocentrism, in fact they’re considered hazardous toxic waste and should not be handled or moved, just walk by it and leave it in place!

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