MGTOW – a reaction to consumerism?

[WarratahParticipant 895]

Exactly Chir! Capitalism is dead and has been replaced by Consumerism.

...And in our own despair, against our will, Comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Agamemnon; by Aeschylus

[The CaptainParticipant 133]

Duke Togo wrote:

WarHar wrote:

Well Captain, that’s the difference between a Fleshlight and a woman.
The Fleshlight is bought unused!

One is loose and dirty while the other is well fitted?

There’s another difference regarding the buy …you only have to pay once.

[WarratahParticipant 895]

Duke, if you read the intros you will see that the huge majority of men here are here because we’ve been f~~~ed over by women.
Bachelors and men never involved in LTRs are seemingly in the minority.
I was married and when I got married I did it ‘for better or worse’. I made a vow before my friends and family, before my God.
Like so many other men, I discovered that women’s vows aren’t made with the same ideals.

...And in our own despair, against our will, Comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Agamemnon; by Aeschylus

[Anonymous 42]

Can’t sell your surplus property for less than half price.

Your stocks swindled down to nothing?

Can’t get a bank loan based on equity and A+ rating?

Stop paying the motherf~~~ers, let your property taxes build and build on their FALSE ECONOMY, when these outrageous demands surpass the actual value no body will want it and they can’t take it, not without you signing, it falls into tax title where the “taxes” are auctioned off to unwitting tax investors that put a tax lean on it and hold that worthless paper forever while you continue to live TAX F~~~ING FREE!

They think collapse is a f~~~ing joke and only happens to small nations, never the big one that’s too big to fail.

Wake up sunshine the monster is comming for EVERYTHING including you and yours no matter how indestructible you think you are, the ship is still sinking and not paying my property taxes is actually a lifeboat I’ve been building.

Bad GOVERNMENT! NO MORE TAXES FOR YOU! F~~~ OFF AND DIE!

When in the history of the U.S. has there been so much loss of private property, not only GONE to ruins but also lay abandoned and an going to ruin?

NEVER!

A government of the people, by the people, and for the people has vanished from the face of this earth.

[LurchParticipant 3870]

I’ll just leave these here:

Why I Don’t Chase the Women of Today’s Society – MGTOW

Why I Don’t Pay Attention to Women that Gawk at Me – MGTOW

Blue-Pill Virgin: Women hate me! That's what it is.
MGTOW Man: Hate them back; it works for me.

[OldBillParticipant]

Duke Togo wrote:

Did you have that book just laying around or on your shelf?

Physically laying around somewhere? No.
Laying around in my head? Yes.

I remembered reading it and thus was able to do a web search which brought up the blurbs I posted. Easy peasy, right?

(I may have it in electronic form somewhere, but I’d have to hunt for it.)

The timing of your post and the book you have referenced have blown me away.

Nothing but an ordinary memory and a web browser. No magic, no super intellect, just another MGTOW.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[Solo MAN’S WisdomParticipant]

Warratah wrote:

Solomons Wisdom – my point is that consumerism has enabled women to behave the way they are today.
Men have always known their nature and been aware of the dangers.

OK. Thanks for the clarification.

When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.

[John Woods 13Participant 2855]

Great post WarHar.
I don’t get into political discussions as much as I used to, but I always had and have a tough time explaining to people that we no longer live in a capitalist system. You are perfectly right, the system now is CONSUMERISM, which is a totally different animal. People have a hard time accepting this because the left wing media all over the world still represents it as Capitalism in order to put capitalism in a bad light and nudge people towards socialism.
That being said, here is a bit of (very succinct) context to my final point:
In the Middle Ages, people lived under Feudalism, in which powerful nobility owned everything and the people lived in a state of serfdom, keeping very little of what they produced and having very few rights. Thus the people were RULED by DIRECT FORCE.
During the Renaissance Feudalism started to loose its power and the nobility/governments/kings had to adapt. They were forced to grant more rights and freedoms to the people (at least on paper). During this period, the first corporations were created. So the nobility, being the only ‘class’ able to afford anything opened up companies and corporations and employed, as opposed to enslave, the people. However, these corporations had large monopolies and huge powers granted to them by the state, making them the practical equivalent of the feudal lords. This new system was called Mercantilism, and was largely based on the international activity of these large monopolistic corporations. The people were still RULED, but through the law, by INDIRECT FORCE.
The Industrial Revolution gave more and more people the ability to produce and compete at the local level and quickly grow. Eventually this led to the demise of Mercantilism and Capitalism was born.
Capitalism worked on the premise of REAL VALUE, mutually beneficial contracts and individual freedom and self interest. The 19th and early 20th centuries saw the greatest wealth creation and improvement in the human condition due to Capitalism. It worked so well because there were few government regulations and great competition which meant the people always got the best of what they needed. Being so widespread and divers, the distribution of power was very wide and finally the people were no longer ruled. The people RULED by mutual interest and consent.
After the world wars, western governments did not want to let go of the new powers they were granted during the time of war, so the bureaucrats, in order to save their jobs turned to deal making with big business in order to “produce” favorable regulations. This way, big business would get rid of competition and big government would get big money and support to keep growing. This went on for a while until big government got so big that even big business could no longer control it, so now what we have is basically a state run economy, in which big business produces mass amounts of crap that has to fit exactly with the specifications in the thousands of pages of regulations put out by the government. Now, normally, as before the people would revolt, but they are being kept compliant by the FREEBIES. “Buy one get one free”, “Free healthcare”, “Free education”, “Free tires with the purchase of NEW CAR”, free this, free that. Nobody sees the real value of their assets going down because everything is getting cheaper, but it’s also getting of less and less quality. Thus we now live in a CONSUMERIST society, in which things are produced not to add value to people’s lives, but to add excitement and novelty, in order to keep them momentarily exited.

Point:
It is indeed a throwaway society, a buy-consume-discard-repeat society and it has infected human interactions as well as stated in the above comments. Women are highly attracted to this kind of system as they very much like ANY CRAP as long as it’s new and shiny, then throw it away the next day.
Since the political system made it such that they can do the same with men through marriage and divorce, the best course of action for men is to Go Their Own Way!

The answer is NO. “I could but I won’t”. Memini murum!

[BeerParticipant 11832]

Anonymous wrote:

Stop paying the motherf~~~ers, let your property taxes build and build on their FALSE ECONOMY, when these outrageous demands surpass the actual value no body will want it

I’m already seeing that to an extent where I live. The older generations of home owners are slowly disappearing whether it be passing away or moving to lower tax areas for retirement and the housing market here has not recovered nearly as well since the crash as it has in other areas. The property taxes just suck here…if I buy a modestly sized home sitting on a couple acres I’m looking about a 250k purchase price and about 5-8k a year in property taxes depending on the town and the property.

Now keep in mind…the average person makes about 50k a year. If the average guy buys that property…5-8k a year in property taxes is going to be 10-15% of his income for as long as he owns that property, before even factoring in maintenance costs or a mortgage since most people won’t ever pay cash for a house. Who wants that much of their income going to housing? It pretty much leaves people here with two choices…get into a small place, like a small condo or apartment, or leave the state. A lot are exercising option two. A buddy of mine from work often jokes around that people who buy houses here right now are stupid…if they wait long enough the government will be giving them away for free because nobody wants to buy them and they want their tax revenue. Meanwhile if I want to buy a house and some land…I can go down south or out west, get twice the property for my money, and pay 1/4 in taxes.

Anonymous wrote:

They think collapse is a f~~~ing joke and only happens to small nations, never the big one that’s too big to fail.

I don’t know if it will happen in my life time, but I don’t think the collapse of the US is too far off. If the US hits a nasty recession…globally based companies that were formally American based companies have no incentive to do anything to try to pull us out…they have incentive to move away from areas in decline and towards boom areas. America will go down as a socialist cesspool over loaded with debt…kinda like Venezuela is spiraling into the gutter right now…only on a larger scale.

Anonymous wrote:

Bad GOVERNMENT! NO MORE TAXES FOR YOU! F~~~ OFF AND DIE!

That’s my plan. I bought a small property up here to minimize my property taxes, and I’m structuring my retirement to put myself in a low tax bracket where once I’m done working I doubt I’ll ever see another year where I pay an effective tax rate over 15%. I’ll never get away from all taxation but I’ll certainly be paying a lot less over the course of my life time than a lot of consumerists will end up paying. Trying to starve the pig is a lot better than supporting a system I despise.

[AntipathyParticipant 4901]

I’m not sure if MGTOW is a direct result of the way the markets have changed, but i know herbivore culture in Japan is. The young men there feel they have no chance to get into the well to do middle class, and certainly no shot at being upper middle class. So they figure why even try, a lot of them work part time and live with their parents or other herbivore roomates. But yes OP you’re correct, the econonomic system here has had a major psychological effect on people too. We know we are just a fling to females, just like a purse or pair of shoes, something they get, chew up and spit out. Then they move to the next one.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

Antipathy wrote:

The young men there feel they have no chance to get into the well to do middle class, and certainly no shot at being upper middle class.

I think part of the problem here in the states, so I’m assuming men in Japan have a similar experience, is that when you do find yourself on the high end of the bell curve for income and wealth for your age, you realize you now have quite a bit to lose. When some post wall carousel rider wants to latch on to you and you are fully aware at how badly she can wreck you in a divorce, you really question what benefit does marriage offer you anymore?

In my experience I’ve never had a hot young virgin who wanted to marry me who would be loyal and faithful for life, and I’ve never had a woman better off financially than me want to marry me, so what do I get? I get a high mileage financial liability who has already proven with her well established trail of exes that she has no problem monkey branching when it suits her. If I was just in it for a bit of fun and she monkey branched, no big deal, I’d get over it, we both had basically no skin in the game. However soon as I’d be dumb enough to sign that marriage contract I’m putting quite a bit of skin in the game while she’s not putting any in…sorry but I’m not stupid enough to make that deal with anyone.

[Anonymous 24]

Warratah wrote:

Unfortunately, Roydal, we have moved waaaay beyond the old concepts of capitalism/socialism/communism.
Even here in Europe, where socialism was used to offer healthcare, housing and other social benefits, we are seeing a very fast destruction of those concepts.
Housing, health, transport, social care are increasingly being ‘outsourced’ to the corporations.
(Edit) Just yesterday news broke that a (private) company tasked with the placement and care of foster children in Ireland, saw profits of €700 000 whilst overseeing the fostering of just 50 children …

Yes, we are in the era of rampant Crony Capitalism. And no ism works well with Cronyism.

[Anonymous 24]

Anonymous wrote:

Can’t sell your surplus property for less than half price.

Your stocks swindled down to nothing?

Can’t get a bank loan based on equity and A+ rating?

Stop paying the motherf~~~ers, let your property taxes build and build on their FALSE ECONOMY, when these outrageous demands surpass the actual value no body will want it and they can’t take it, not without you signing, it falls into tax title where the “taxes” are auctioned off to unwitting tax investors that put a tax lean on it and hold that worthless paper forever while you continue to live TAX F~~~ING FREE!

They think collapse is a f~~~ing joke and only happens to small nations, never the big one that’s too big to fail.

Wake up sunshine the monster is comming for EVERYTHING including you and yours no matter how indestructible you think you are, the ship is still sinking and not paying my property taxes is actually a lifeboat I’ve been building.

Bad GOVERNMENT! NO MORE TAXES FOR YOU! F~~~ OFF AND DIE!

When in the history of the U.S. has there been so much loss of private property, not only GONE to ruins but also lay abandoned and an going to ruin?

NEVER!

A government of the people, by the people, and for the people has vanished from the face of this earth.

Preach it brother.

[FreedomParticipant 295]

Fortunately, consumerism is not a legal requirement.

I live below my means. Sometimes I get a little flack for it from friends or acquaintances. Never from family though…mine has always understood the value of frugality.

You can too. It’s just an attitude adjustment. Once you realize that a cheaper, or longer-lasting, alternative will provide just as much happiness and utility, frugality stops feeling like a sacrifice and starts feeling like an investment.

There is no end of books written on happiness, and the paths thereto, and none of them advocate consumerism.

So…in sum….go your own way.

It is wise to fear dangerous commitments.

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