Men using MGTOW label to get views or make money

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

The Moth Attracted to the Flame wrote:

Any MGTOW with a Patreon account. Or a GoFundMe.

I kinda wanted to do that, but once I realized the bulls~~~ that corresponds with it, I stopped making YouTube videos. It seems deceptive and greedy.

I do not agree with that it depends. Star dusk made a s~~~ load of videos before starting a pateron account. Barbar made videos for many years before accepting donations and even started writing a book.

For example Alex for life haven’t made videos for long he starts with MGTOW videos to hook men in and then now he’s making videos totally opposite, in fact it’s more blue pill. I’m not against men making money however being deceptive is. Look at sandman who said monk mgtow are cowards. Keymaster didn’t like that and many MGTOW said sandman isn’t a mgtow.
Same s~~~ with Paul Elam and his crew at AFVM.

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

Anonymous wrote:

I was so dissapointed when Trevor said that. I thought he was different. Im not going to stop watching him but I feel like he did lie to get views because he not only spoke fondly of women in general but made excuses and risked his life for an iphone that she f~~~ing lost. She lost it, she buys another one. He put no accountability on her.

that’s what I am getting at and he claims MGTOW are too radical for that view. It’s not even his girlfriend. He was complaining paying a lot of taxes. I wonder if he’s paying for most of the dates he goes on it does appear that way, the way he is talking about the woman is dating. I’m not against dating women but clearly he’s too pussy whipped.

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[JollyMisanthropeParticipant 3356]

The Moth Attracted to the Flame wrote:

Any MGTOW with a Patreon account. Or a GoFundMe.

I kinda wanted to do that, but once I realized the bulls~~~ that corresponds with it, I stopped making YouTube videos. It seems deceptive and greedy.

If you are gating your content behind donations then I agree. If you give people the option to donate but provide the content for free then I don’t see a problem with it.

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[VarunParticipant 2981]

Do I see the blue pill dominating and cancelling the red pill effect? I did not know that was possible.

I am against the radicalism of MGTOW too, eg. the sexist type that keeps on dissing women, not because I love women, but because it makes those men look bad and desperate. Sure, its good to diss out once in a while but over-doing it can make you look like you’re desperate. Thank god that’s only a minority over here.

The problem with calling out on women is that it will leave no difference between feminists and us. Every time someone goes “Evil women! Evil women!” they can go, “Look at that sexist bastard!” <- I don’t want that to happen. I just want to be indifferent and avoid taking sides. Isn’t that what MGTOW’s all about? Not taking sides? I envision MGTOW as a place of calmness and peace, without hatred or anger (not much anyway), and a refreshing element of life where you cherish your solidarity and yur sovereignity. That said, I don’t have any issues with the various strains of MGTOW if they got this basic aspect in them: they are going their own way and nobody’s defining their life.

A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

The problem with calling out on women is that it will leave no difference between feminists and us. Every time someone goes “Evil women! Evil women!” they can go, “Look at that sexist bastard!”

Looks like you haven’t watched enough mgtow videos or read the dicussion. MGTOW knows about female nature. I do not consider to be women evil. Criticizing women is not dissing. It’s also about stating facts and educating others. MGTOW is about awareness. Big difference when we mgtow call out women and feminists call out men. We are by far more accurate and honest about it. We do our research, sure there are times mgtow been wrong however that’s an issue because men will want accurate information. Female feminists use their emotions not not their research or critical thinking skills. MGTOW knows about the decline of society and that women are the ones causing it. This isn’t simply putting blame on women for the sake of it there is a lot of evidence.

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[SkeptiskParticipant 3679]

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

What is wrong with Trevor? I don’t watch his stuff regularly, but I happen to like what I saw.

As far as Alex goes, well he does have his own videos, and has gone off and used MGTOW in some, and then spoke against it. As for the other one, I don’t recall.

The thing is that MGTOW is a label, that matches to certain things. With this, someone on YouTube will discuss it, because YouTube is all about views. You do it to get views, because you think an audience wants to hear it.

As far as making money, if the material helps MGTOWs, I would say that is a good thing. IF it helps that is. I know one author came on here speaking about a book he is selling on helping the finances of men going MGTOW. I have no problem with this.

A sign of maturity of anything, and longevity, is that a marketplace is generated around it. I take this as a good sign personally.

On the views, I am sure that some would question why I use the MGTOW label for my YouTube content, because it doesn’t map to the ideological purity some hold about MGTOW. I personally don’t care. I speak of my thoughts, as it relates to being a single man, who is a non-conformist, and also around the Christian religion. I don’t need to have the label “MGTOW” to be what I am, unlike SJWs and Feminists who need to promote that label or they apparently aren’t anything. I use it, because it is close enough to where I am, and I share my thoughts on what it works for the path of non-conformity and not marrying, as a man.

If you think MGTOW is a philosophy, with certain foundational principles that MUST be held, then I can see men who speak differently end up “using MGTOW”. As for myself, I see MGTOW more as a social trend, and lifestyle choice, that more and more men are deciding what to do. There is schools of thought connected with it, but in no way will I personally go down that path. I see arguing over what is “pure MGTOW” in terms of philosophy, to be a form of mind control, which I see undermines completely going your own way. Also, you end up, if you have MGTOW as a philosophy, end up having men who hold it valid, but don’t live it. You have men who are still married say they are “MGTOW” because they hold the principles of MGTOW as true. Heck, you even have women who will hold the principles to be true, and because it is a philosophy, they are MGTOW to, right?

I will sum up and say, how you live matters FAR MORE than what you hold in your head or some sort of compliance in thoughts of strangers on the Internet. Heck, I will go as far as to say a man can drop the MGTOW label if he feels dropping it works better for him. It is his life, not mine.

Sounds like you’re still looking for that unicorn, Richard… I’ve still yet to meet any female that doesn’t follow their innate female nature (hypergamy).

Not sure if I should consider married men MGTOW, sounds more like wishful thinking to me.

"Expecting to find a decent woman on a dating site is like dumpster diving and expecting to come out with a gourmet meal." Won'tGetFooledAgain

[Zuberi TauParticipant 10606]

Xpallodoc is a bitch-made simp hiding behind the mgtow label. Nobody should be subscribed to that stooge’s channel, period!
Alex for Life is a PUA charlatan who will use any label to make money. The f~~~ stick has 10 patrons so far. Give him nothing.
Trevor Freeman is a lukewarm white knight who using the Mgtow label for financial gain.
All three are Charlatans that should be kept off this forum.

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

Many people took their time to make videos to benefit others. While it is not expected personally I think it’s our duty to call out men who are trying to use the mgtow label for financial gain and/or views. If you benefited and you don’t give anything back you are leeching off other men. It not like calling men out to be a lot of work. This is what women do. Women bring little or nothing to to the table unless it will benefit themselves.

Not sure if I should consider married men MGTOW, sounds more like wishful thinking to me

There was a battle with barbar and other men with Avoiceformen with married men and mgtow. We do welcome married men however we will never considered them mgtow as far as I know.

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

Anonymous wrote:

ʞ℃nu∂℃¥z∂ɹ℃® wrote:

So basically you don’t give a s~~~ about other men? You think about it some men will be misinformed. Why even bother coming here? You know I came here to help other men and also on youtube. Now I get it I guess it’s true MGTOW men are selfish.

You guys are pathetic really. Wow this site has gone to s~~~s when I came here people gave a damn about other men. Now the new people couldn’t care if someone died on here.

What about you, brother? Do you care? Do you care if somebody died on here?

You know, I just typed it in, and the number of people going down per day is approximately 150000. Out of that, let’s assume half of it is made up by men. You don’t care about that, nobody does. You don’t care about me or any other here. If I dropped dead this very second, you wouldn’t lose a second of sleep, nor would anybody else here. It’s a bit ridiculous to expect people to just care. Nobody has to do anything.

So you’re right. Men indeed don’t care about other men. Men as a whole have always been pathetic. They have great potential and are infinitely resourceful in just about every aspect, but since the beginning of times, they have always been the ones enslaved, by these fragile, pretty little women. And for what, because they’re “hot”? Who are the pathetic ones here? I don’t know anymore.

The thing is, women unite to fight men, whereas men unite only to fight against other men. So as a man, you have to fight two battles. Men will forever be looking to slay the next boogeyman, oh it must be the Jews, or the Muslims, or the Christians, or the white people, or global elites, or the working man, or immigrants, or the racists, or the tradcons, whatever the hell it is nowadays, notice how all these groups are male in essense. Here in the MGTOW sphere, it’s the same thing, you have your sects, in this case, the MGTOWs and the not MGTOWs. All women have to do is, cross their arms, and we’ll fight each other to the death.

Women don’t care if the next female is black, if she’s white, if she’s wearing a burka, if she’s fat, if she believes in aliens, the moment somebody in the room says “all men are rapist pieces of s~~~”, they all stand up and applaud. Women don’t concern themselves with who’s a “womangina” or not, they operate like, if any man dares to lay a finger on a woman, he’s a dead man, and that’s it. But here we are, forget about who’s MGTOW and who’s not, once you strip everything away, it’s still the same old, men fighting against other men, and the “how dare you’re not joining me to fight against these other men?” BS.

I appreciate that you care, if you do, but your effort will remain futile and to me, it’s misdirected. So better spend that effort cooking up a nice pizza instead. It’ll turn into s~~~ regardless.

You do not need to lose sleep that you care. There was a fellow mgtow youtube contributor that died and yes the mgtow community as a whole did care.

That is not caring is about. You yourself proved it. The reason why we as a society in such a s~~~ situation is that we as human doing give a crap but our selves. Just because everyone else is s~~~ty doesn’t mean you have to be.

I have helped plenty of strangers, and I have seen others who helped total strangers. You would not be on this site if people didn’t care. Barbar was the one who who developed MGTOW it for benefit for men. If he didn’t care why would he done it? it’s because men do care that we are here.

You are just making excuse this is what women do. This is what female is all about. Obviously you don’t understand female nature. I never fought with Trevor or Alex I just pointed out their bulls~~~. That’s all i can do so other men can see that these men are just for money.

I never said anyone had to do anything I got p~~~ed off because some people said they don’t care. It’s about protecting the MGTOW philosophy, we as men have a duty.

Men do care and even MGTOW men.

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"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[Anonymous 1]

Crazy Canuck wrote:

I never said anyone had to do anything I got p~~~ed off because some people said they don’t care. It’s about protecting the MGTOW philosophy, we as men have a duty.

You seem to have contradicted yourself there.

Let me say this: I will not be cannon fodder to women, neither will I be cannon fodder to OTHER MEN. We have a duty? Says who? If I help someone, I help someone because I WANT TO, and not because I HAVE TO. I have no “duty” to anybody, and anybody have any DUTY TO ME. If someone helps me, he/she does so on his/her own volition, and if I decide to repay them, I do it because I WANT TO. So you might want to shove your “moral superiority” somewhere else.

Besides, what do you suggest MGTOW do? Should we start IMPOSING what other men should and shouldn’t do with their lives? Who is the final arbiter to decide who is MGTOW and who isn’t? Talking is CHEAP. There isn’t a way to anyone stop anyone else to assossiate or distance themselves from whatever label they see fit, unless you are a SJW. And that is the way it should be. MEN are responsible for THEIR OWN LIVES. It is not YOUR JOB, NOR MINE, NOR ANYBODY ELSE’s to dictate how other MEN (and women for that matter) should or shouldn’t live THEIR OWN LIVES. Comment all you like, criticize all you like, agree or disagree all you like, but don’t give me that crap that other men, Mgtow or not, have the OBLIGATION to join you. The information we have access to is avaialable to ANYONE that wants to see it. And the only DUTY men have is to choose what they think is best for THEIR LIVES and accept the consequences of THEIR ACTIONS.

So, once again, I reafirm my statement: predictable and irrelevant. Men should be smart enough to see these youtubers for what they are, and if not, they should have the common sense to try to FIND OUT who these men are (or if what they say is true) if they will follow their advices. I am in favor of justice. I am also in favor of FREEDOM and one’s ACCOUNTABILITY for one’s ACTIONS. This “problem” will only increase with the popularity of Mgtow. You are welcome to let this affect you, I know I did got upset in the past when the thought occured to me. But instead of demanding action from OTHERS I started working on MYSELF. Here is my help to you: I suggest you do the same. No matter how much people try, in the end, the only one that can help YOU is YOURSELF.

Good luck.

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

You seem to have contradicted yourself there.

Key word is men. I never said any man had to it but personally I think it’s a man duty because that’s what men have done in the past.

By your thinking no men would ever help anyone. If you only help others when you get help, if everyone’s thinking was like nobody would help one another.

The reason I got p~~~ed off is a few of the men on here attack Tim Paten, this dude wrote articles, donated for men causes and these stupid f~~~ twits have the nerve to lash out him. On top of that they can’t care about men? Sounds like women to me. this is the s~~~ women do. I don’t know if you were raised by a single mother but I haven’t.

This is the reason I got upset. I’m frankly disappointed in some men.

Look at military men they have a duty to do things and they want to do them. Seriously are you a man? I’m beginning if you guys were raised by women. This isn’t an insult, this is just what real men were in the past. A lot of men don’t know how to be a man because they had no role models.

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[Anonymous 1]

Crazy Canuck wrote:

Key word is men. I never said any man had to it but personally I think it’s a man duty because that’s what men have done in the past.

Well, that sounds like a collectivist to me. You try to disguise it by implying you defend the right of the individual (man), but on the next sentence you impose a obligation on a group (men).

Besides, just because something was done in the past, doesn’t mean it was RIGHT, or EFFECTVE. Men used to be the bread winner in the past, killing themselves while the women stayed at home. Should we go back to the old ways? Is the work/sacrifices men do equivalent to housekeeping a woman would do nowadays? I don’t think so. So this is not only innaccurate but a non-sequitur, since it has nothing to do with the matter of MEN’s INDIVIDUAL CHOICES to help or not.

Crazy Canuck wrote:

By your thinking no men would ever help anyone. If you only help others when you get help, if everyone’s thinking was like nobody would help one another.

Not only inaccurate, but also kind of patronizing this time. This is what I wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If I help someone, I help someone because I WANT TO, and not because I HAVE TO.

Keyword is WANT. Even if someone “helped” me, if the “price” of repaying them were beyond my capabilities or was something I didn’t WANT to do, I would not do it. Which is why I said: you help someone else fully accepting the CONSEQUENCES, that includes the consequence of the person not wanting, or even being able to pay you back.

And do you think men are so primal that the ONLY way they do something good is if they feel OBLIGATED? Either LEGALLY or MORALLY? This seems a little AUTHORITARIAN to me. Even if this is true, I would still “free” them from such obligation, because I want to assossiate with, and care for those that would do good because it is what they WANT to do, not because what they HAVE to do. If MEN did what I suggested, civilization would not be on this mess in the first place. How many men married because it was their DUTY? How many men KILLED THEMSELVES because it was THE RIGHT THING TO DO? Because they “failed” to help someone (a.k.a women)? How many men KILLED for the same petty rasons (a.k.a women)? Why do you think women have this distorted notion of ENTITLTEMENT? And you want to push this to MEN? If so, I am out.

Crazy Canuck wrote:

The reason I got p~~~ed off is a few of the men on here attack Tim Paten, this dude wrote articles, donated for men causes and these stupid f~~~ twits have the nerve to lash out him.

So what? It goes back to what I said earlier about WANTING to help. If Tim did all those things, he did because he WANTED to. That doesn’t shield him from criticism. Instead of being p~~~ed because someone else DARED not to worship Tim for what he may or may not have done, a more relevant question would be: are the criticism TRUE, and are they RELEVANT? FACTS over FEELINGS.

Besides, Tim is a GROWN MAN. He should be able to:

a) Defend himself from “mean comments”.
b) Don’t give a f~~~ about “mean comments”.

Either way, none of these requires OTHER MEN being OBLIGATED to LIKE TIM. Men are free to DEFEND TIM, they are also fre to CRITICIZE HIM.

Crazy Canuck wrote:

On top of that they can’t care about men? Sounds like women to me. this is the s~~~ women do. I don’t know if you were raised by a single mother but I haven’t.

Once again, the only one that can help MAN is THEMSLEVES. It falls on what I asked earlier, what you suggest MEN, INDEPENDENT MEN, do? Should we all be part of a borg mind now? Should we care for other men, REGARDLESS of our opinion of such men, just because penis?

Also, you may want to re-think using non-sequitors and shamining language. It doesn’t matter if I was raised by a single mother or not. Are you judging my arguments, or myself? That is why I didn’t do an introduction, and by the looks of it, will not do one (although the thought crossed my mind lately). People like you tend to lash over PERSONAL DETAILS instead of focusing on the MATTER AT HAND.

Let me ask you this: Is this website not a safe space for women because of their genitals, or because of the way they think? I can’t tell for sure if there are no women on this website, I don’t have access to the personal information of the members, neither I want it. What I care is their arguments, and yours are flawed, since they overwrite men’s INDIVUDUALISM over some distorted notion of MORAL SUPERIORITY.

Crazy Canuck wrote:

This is the reason I got upset. I’m frankly disappointed in some men.

Yeah, I am disapointed too. I thought we were past this “men should sacrifice themselves for others because: penis” way of thinking. Apparently many men still think that we should ENFORCE moral codes on OTHER MEN. F~~~ that.

Crazy Canuck wrote:

Look at military men they have a duty to do things and they want to do them

HAhahahahahaaha…HAHAHAHA… This comment is so full of irony. Not only on trying to lecture me on military life, but also on suggesting that on the MILLITARY men do what they do because solely they WANT TO and not because they are ORDER TO. Comming from someone that not too long ago was advocating for the MORAL OBLIGATION of men doing things, regardless of their wants.

Yeah, there is no such thing as CHAIN OF COMMAND on the millitary, men do what they do there solely because: penis. I don’t know how the army works here in Canada, but the place where I came from, the armed forces were a little bit less lax.

Crazy Canuck wrote:

Seriously are you a man? I’m beginning if you guys were raised by women. This isn’t an insult, this is just what real men were in the past. A lot of men don’t know how to be a man because they had no role models.

Oh sure, I am behaving like a woman, because if anything, women’s main characteristics are their RATIONAL and CRITICAL thinking. Is their total commitment to INDIVIDUALITY and their favoring of FACTS over FEELINGS.

Just to be sure though, which one of us were freaking out because Tim was being CRITICIZED?

And a pro tip on how to be a REAL man: do you have b~~~~? You are a REAL MAN. Period. Because, just like a woman would do, I reconize men for what they ARE and not for what UTILITY they have. I may or may not associate with them, that is another story, but I would never revoke their “status” of man based on their usefulness. You know, just like a woman… right?

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Skeptisk wrote:

Sounds like you’re still looking for that unicorn, Richard… I’ve still yet to meet any female that doesn’t follow their innate female nature (hypergamy).

Not sure if I should consider married men MGTOW, sounds more like wishful thinking to me.

I am approaching 50. I have never been married, and several women I may of gotten involved with came down with STDs (not by me). It would be absurd for me to consider marrying now, and having kids. And for me to try to find a woman I have physical attraction to, and also would fit my life, is really pushing it. I am not looking for anything, just getting my life together. I am just trying to own the state now, and get on with my life.

The thing about married men, is there are some who run into MGTOW material, who end up agreeing with it, but are married. If you have MGTOW as not a lifestyle, but a philosophy, they can be considered MGTOW. For myself, it is men who don’t marry, who go their own way. That is simple enough, and rules out a lot of issues you see around the MGTOWsphere, over endless arguing on the nature of women, and men spending hours watching endless YouTube videos, rather than getting with their lives.

I personally am looking to step away from a bunch, and even producing YouTube content, as I work on my life. I need to find my way in life.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

So what? It goes back to what I said earlier about WANTING to help. If Tim did all those things, he did because he WANTED to. That doesn’t shield him from criticism. Instead of being p~~~ed because someone else DARED not to worship Tim for what he may or may not have done, a more relevant question would be: are the criticism TRUE, and are they RELEVANT? FACTS over FEELINGS.

Besides, Tim is a GROWN MAN. He should be able to:

a) Defend himself from “mean comments”.
b) Don’t give a f~~~ about “mean comments”.

Either way, none of these requires OTHER MEN being OBLIGATED to LIKE TIM. Men are free to DEFEND TIM, they are also fre to CRITICIZE HIM.

You’re an idiot it’s ok to attack a MGTOW who is helping men when you idiots sit on your ass and do f~~~ all. Really?

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

Yeah, there is no such thing as CHAIN OF COMMAND on the millitary, men do what they do there solely because: penis. I don’t know how the army works here in Canada, but the place where I came from, the armed forces were a little bit less lax.

I guess you’re American. I know Veterans and they said The American military men are assholes. The Canadian military men actually shared their rations with the local people when there wasn’t enough food. Unlike the American men who didn’t give a s~~~ but themselves. Also the Canadian military men are the ones actually fighting against ISIS and training the local people. The American military killed innocent civilians in the middle east and didn’t give a s~~~ they kill innocent people.

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