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Anonymous0I wish I could say I was monk and conquered my biological drive to subject myself to the “golden” pussy, but I haven’t yet. 4 years since I found and embraced the Red Pill, and I still haven’t abandoned women yet. I’m still in a red pill rage stage too. I read and listen to red pills daily. I hate women, and…I want to f~~~ them. I HATE that! Where’s Matrix Friday evening post? All of you. Never stop posting. I need your reminders to keep my purple pill creep at bay. You’re my brothers. So many of you know the pain of divorce rape and government-sponsored kidnapping of your children by your ex. Don’t ever think your posts don’t help or touch someone. I need those red pills. Awaken. Blade. KM So many of you.
Do you think it’s possible to convert from heterosexual to me-sexual? I don’t want to be attracted to women any more.
Sorry if I’m not coherent. I might be slightly tipsy.
A little red pill rage never hurt anyone, it’s what you do with it. Are you using it to improve your life? Is it all-consuming or does it come and go when you hear about more injustices committed against men for the sake of the gynocracy? I’m the latter, myself. As far as wanting pussy goes, well, s~~~. You ain’t a robot, are you? You’re young, right? Of course you’re gonna want pussy, it’s your biological drive. Don’t worry about it so much. Rub one out, get a hooker, or buy a doll.
I, Lelouch Vi Britannia, command you, all of you, to Go Your Own Way!!
Anonymous18Sex drive is a by-product of testosterone and desire to inseminate females is natural.
Pussy is golden – what’s attached to it – however.
You need sex doll my friend. A few members bought them – wait for their reviews on here.
Anonymous0No, I’m in my 40s. I rub it out, but it’s an ongoing battle.
Anonymous0I’ve considered a sex doll. Just haven’t got there. Yet anyways.
Anonymous0My red pill rage is random. Generally, when I’m working and occupied,it’s not on my mind, but when I have free time, and I’m reminded of gynocentric injustice, it often hits me, but I have to be reminded of the injustice because it’s so easy to forget.
I’m pretty sure they day the make Cherry 2000, that’s the day that only the top 1% of women are even going to have any hope of a guy in their lives. But let’s face facts here man. It’s not women you hate. It’s who they are. There is a difference.
Plow the f~~~ away, and protect yourself the best way you can. Yea, I know. The second you know them, you want to launch them into outer space. But that’s just part of the game.
There is always going to be risk in life. Just plan accordingly. The future will be here for us soon. A walking talking version of women we are NEVER going to look back a real women again. The day women become beggars in the game of dating is coming. It will soon be, if she is on a dating site, she is going to be looked at as a waste of time. USed up goods, etc. Family history and past will play into this.
When young men find out how much better it is to just go along with the cut snip and f~~~ routine? Eventually true male birth control? That power shift is going to f~~~ it all up for women. At that point? Whatever risk their is is going to be a plane flight away or a pill you take.
You are in the gold zone man. Stay there. The more you hate them, the more successful you will be with women. Sad but true. Sad… But so true.
You are all alone. If you have been falsely accused of RAPE, DV, PLEASE let all men know about the people who did this. http://register-her.net/web/guest/home
For me, I dont hate women…I am trying to understand that they are what they are. You dont hate a bee or a snake but you know full well the risks associated with them…
At this point in my life, I am trying to rebuild myself and not seek female validation. Awhile ago, my Xs used sex as a validation of my masculinity and when it was withdrawn from the table and used as a manipulative tool then it crushed me. I have to learn to validate myself and accept myself for who I am. I am a man with the urges and responsibilities.
I also know that seeking sex is like a drug that is never going to fill my cup. You are using it as a band aid for the insecurities and lack of self esteem. Learn to value yourself. I am on this path now. Its not easy but I have nothing else but myself to rely on…Good luck brother…
I stand with feet apart and let my balls hang free...Manginas dont have balls...See how they stand and sit at the whim of their masters...
I’ve been monk for a couple of years and, while I still find women attractive and the idea of giving them a full length of MoreSky meat generates the usual biological response, the thought of actually performing the deed is repulsive.
Nothing wrong with having a healthy response to a fine arse or spectacular set of fun-bags.
Sexual attractiveness is all women have to offer and they have become very good at presenting their wares with additional tools to enhance their desirability such as make up, push-up and push-in underwear etc. But with red-pill knowledge, we know that this is just fake and the consequences of falling for their illusion are dire.I find old Mercedes convertibles attractive but I wouldn’t own one as they are sodding expensive to buy, to maintain and ultimately of little practical use. Nothing wrong with fantasising about it though.
WARNING: car porn
I’m considerably more likely to buy one of these than risk my dick falling off, or losing all my money (again) by sticking the main vein in a diseased meat-hole.
Enjoy window shopping and admire the view but never forget what they really are.
"...reinvent your life because you must; it is your life and its history and the present belong only to you.” It is Your Life, Charles Bukowski.
I’ve been monk for over 7 years. If I see an attractive girl I usually forget about her within 5 minutes. It’s a relief that I will NEVER be with a woman again. I have no desire at all. Part of it comes with age. Most of it comes with knowing what they are. The freedom I have is unbelievable. You will get there. Good luck.
Me sexual? Wtf is that?
Dont hate women, they are what they are, like when a dog eats your shoes, you get mad, but you dont hate the dog.
Women are what they are, nothing to do about it.
Im a monk, almost two years now, sexual desire is normal, an atractive woman is enticing, but like a beatifull bottle of poison, DONT DRINK IT.
Like moreski i can apreciate a fine piece of ass, but i dont wanna mix my body fluids into that petry dish.
I know when i go to bed with a women i go get off, phisical and biological satisfaction. When they have sex they are stroking their ego, (here comes money, i got an strong bad boy), there is nothing there.
You dont have to be a monk, and i think you dont want to be a monk, if you are deprogramed being a monk should not be dificult, if being a monk was an effort for me i woldnt be one, but it has become easy.
To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.
Or like TFM says, JUST GET A DOLL.
To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.
I’ve had more than enough of the golden vagina through my 20’s and 30’s. Rubbing one out definantly took the edge off.
Nowdays monk life is ultimately the most rewarding path. Time to focus on what’s really import in life, and for me that’s not chasing pussy.
Hell I even got into sex dolls and they are kind of a step up from wanking, and a step down from a really hot chick. The dolls are just as hot they just need a little bit of a wrestle when you want to change positions.
I’m still open to sleeping with women, but most of them can’t compare with a doll, so the switch has been disabled.
Been quite a journey for 40 years, the younger generation is being gifted alot of technology that has only been around 10 years.
I do see a shift in the power dynamics between the sexes in regaurds to sexuality, with men no longer being manipulated for a wiff of the female sex organs.
"Society is to blame" Denton
Dont hate women, they are what they are, like when a dog eats your shoes, you get mad, but you dont hate the dog.
Women are what they are, nothing to do about it.
Im a monk, almost two years now, sexual desire is normal, an atractive woman is enticing, but like a beatifull bottle of poion, DONT DRINK IT.
Like moreski i can apreciate a fine piece of ass, but i dont wanna mix my body fluids into that petry dish.
I know when i go to bed with a women i go get off, phisical and biological satisfaction. When they have sex they are stroking their ego, (here comes money, i got an strong bad boy), there is nothing there.
You dont have to be a monk, and i think you dont want to be a monk, if you are deprogramed being a monk should not be dificult, if being a monk was an effort for me i woldnt be one, but it has become easy.+1..THIS ^
Nowdays monk life is ultimately the most rewarding path. Time to focus on what’s really import in life, and for me that’s not chasing pussy.
+1..THIS ^
’ve been monk for over 7 years. If I see an attractive girl I usually forget about her within 5 minutes. It’s a relief that I will NEVER be with a woman again. I have no desire at all. Part of it comes with age. Most of it comes with knowing what they are. The freedom I have is unbelievable.
+1..THIS ^
I’m considerably more likely to buy one of these than risk my dick falling off, or losing all my money (again) by sticking the main vein in a diseased meat-hole.
+1..THIS ^
For me, I dont hate women…I am trying to understand that they are what they are. You dont hate a bee or a snake but you know full well the risks associated with them…
At this point in my life, I am trying to rebuild myself and not seek female validation. Awhile ago, my Xs used sex as a validation of my masculinity and when it was withdrawn from the table and used as a manipulative tool then it crushed me. I have to learn to validate myself and accept myself for who I am. I am a man with the urges and responsibilities.
I also know that seeking sex is like a drug that is never going to fill my cup. You are using it as a band aid for the insecurities and lack of self esteem. Learn to value yourself. I am on this path now. Its not easy but I have nothing else but myself to rely on…=1.. THIS ^
Imho its also about self respect. IMho no self respecting strong man should stay in a relations~~~ with a female where he is verbally abused or not being fully respected as the natural head of the family unit – to do so is to die a death inside.
If we were not living in a flawed gynocentic society that has been f~~~ed up by the nonsense of feminism – i.e. if correct male female gender roles were respected in modern society and in families then imho many guys today that have taken the sensible position of MGTOW would be living their lives within a family unit where the man is correctly the respected head of the family unit and the women plays her god given role as a female nurturing her family and respecting the greater intelligence and authority of the man. In return she recieves protection and support from the man. But today that natural state of a successful family unit is all gone PEAR SHAPED.
Some men are also naturally inclined to be in monk mode. This may simply be a natural state aligned with inclination toward certain life goals, certain lifestyle of freedom or perhaps inclination toward a more spiritual life. Many/most of the greatest minds and accomplishments in human history were accomplished by such men without the distraction of female – those focused on goals and/or virtue.
Feminism was funded by bankers/politicians to create more taxpayers. MGTOW IS FREEDOM https://archive.org/details/mgtowisfreedomblurayready
I wish I could say I was monk and conquered my biological drive to subject myself to the “golden” pussy, but I haven’t yet.
Your concepts there are a little skewed, and I think it’s holding you back.
There are at least two ways of “going monk”. You can constantly deny your biology, struggle against it, mortify your flesh etc. as a kind of sexual ascetic. This is very difficult and requires constant vigilance. Or you can simply stop giving any f~~~s. This is much easier, and makes being celibate or not largely irrelevant. Whichever happens just happens. It is a side effect rather than an objective.
In other words, don’t try to conquer your biological drive. It has the inertia of billions of years of natural selection behind it. You’ll never conquer that. It is not something you can beat into submission. Abandon it instead. Recognize that the purpose of your biological reproductive urges is fatherhood, but thanks to our feminist gynocentric society, fatherhood is a myth. It’s an illusion. The reality is being a workhorse and walking wallet, nothing more. Internalize that fact. You have no biological urge to be a mere walking wallet (it’s also an EXTREMELY good idea to get a vasectomy – and document the f~~~ out of it – to eliminate the legal possibility of being turned into a walking wallet).
4 years since I found and embraced the Red Pill, and I still haven’t abandoned women yet.
It’s not women you need to abandon but desire. Women are irrelevant. It’s your desire that gets you into trouble. Women are just the focus of that desire. Look beyond that desire and see her for what she really is: an irrelevant liability.
Think with your brain and not with your dick, and always be looking into the future, not the present. No matter how attractive you think she might be now, eventually you will become tired of her s~~~. Why would you desire that? So why not skip all the middle steps and just next her before you even start?
I hate women,
Hatred is giving a f~~~. It’s attention. It’s concern. Women want, need, and depend on your attention, regardless of whether it’s love or hatred.
Why give them that? Especially for free.
Give women nothing. Not even hatred.
and…I want to f~~~ them.
Which is also giving a f~~~.
I think this is a good topic to discuss as it touches all red pill men in some way -from Mr regular Pump and Dump down to Mr pure Monk we are all on a spectrum where we are actually regulating our natural desires because we fear the danger of gynocntric culture. If we did nto fear the legal consequences of having sex with willing women, we would all behave differently and many would marry.
I think it is a topic where there will be no clear simple answer.
We can’t expect more than limited success. Homosexuals who attempt to alter their sexuality with conditioning do not always succeed. What chance have we then when we are actually straight and programmed to want to do the healthy thing of reproducing with a quality mate? If it is hard for a homosexual to go with nature when his inner wiring is against it, how much harder will it be for us to go against nature when we are wired right?
Conditioning can be done from fear and from desire. Fear may stop you in the short term, desire will guide you long term. In the short time think of divorce rape, STDs, the consequences of getting a slut you do not respect as a good individual pregnant, the loss of your money. These things may help to avoid the most negative behaviours -like proposing marriage or impregnating worthless material. In the long term think of the things you desire -your freedom, your wealth and the goals that you mean to achieve by retaining these things.
Can a man actually condition his sexuality -the evidence suggest that to a degree yes. If you are rewarded by getting a dopamine hit from something, you seek more of it -hence some of us have some rather unusual desires because we started to find them interesting and explored them -like say Asian women, fat girls, spanking, wearing furry animal costumes… (none of my personal quirks I hasten to add), so I do think that wanking to porn can be conditioned a bit to fill the sex hole in one’s life as probably can dolls. I doubt they will ever trump natural healthy wiring to impregnate nubile women. That will probably not leave till one is over 80 but will decline in intensity with age.
A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own
Branched off, in my particular case, even if law changed i woldnt stop being a monk.
1) STDs are a problem (trust me i know what im talking about), and is arguable that you can use protection, but sex is something dirty, wet, etc, if it inst like that then it is just masturbation with extra people.
2) even if law change, nature of woman cant be changed, as a men desires a woman, a woman hates a men and just f~~~s him for gains. I woldnt sleep next to someone who hates my guts (not while alive).
3) even if law change, if we go back to a patriarcal society, I DONT WANT TO BE A PATRIARCH, that s~~~ is too tiring, i just want to watch time pass by and enjoy the breeze.
To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.
Anonymous3There are some good news to the OP: a lot of people have messed up their natural instincts by overthinking stuff. Psychiatrists deal with it constantly.
In fact, people shut down rational thinking when they want to do something they KNOW they shouldn’t. We usually say “the little head overruled the big head”. This quote is not actually correct, we do not think with genitals. We have a specific structure, the “reptilian” brain, that is responsible for instinctive behavior…
The sexual instinct is actually associated with other higher-level conditioning. That makes the control of the sexual instinct a lot more difficult. A clear example of this is when a man associates the quality of the woman he “has” with his social value, then sex for him has the added drive of getting social recognition.
If you want better control over your sexuality you should begin by understanding yourself. And everyone is different, so my experience might not work for you. I have a good looking and fit woman that I can have sex, and I dont, because its unfulfilling and unsatisfactory. I have been struggling with it for years until I realized that it happens because I dont give her the “tingles”. She does not show desire and that TOTALLY turns me off. I once believed I had made a bad choice, but I now know AWALT. Having THAT in my mind is a great way to keep me in balance, but only because I realized the REASON of my frustration and that ANY WOMAN will eventually frustrate me the same way.
Some of the higher-level conditioning/drives that people might associate with sex are:
– social value: bragging rights, trophies, pride of association, expectancy of raising the SMV by consequence.
– emotional value: mother/childhood complexes, emotional neediness.
– providing instinct: need to give pleasure, to take care of, to fulfill the needs of the other.
– aggression/power instinct: need to subdue, to own, possess and control.
… and so on…Good thread.
I think this is a good topic to discuss as it touches all red pill men in some way -from Mr regular Pump and Dump down to Mr pure Monk we are all on a spectrum
I think it is a topic where there will be no clear simple answer.
I agree with both statements – each man will have his own angle on this.
how much harder will it be for us to go against nature when we are wired right?..Conditioning can be done from fear and from desire. Fear may stop you in the short term, desire will guide you long term.
Yes fear and desire are valid factors/ways to approach this imho – there are also other states of being/approaches too. For example, as Sidecar and Carnage have described for some men there naturally comes a point/stage when it is NOT an effort/battle to stay away from women – the desire has been replaced/overridden by something greater /more beneficial – then it is no longer a battle against desire the man has naturally moved toward a new/different state of consciousness. Desire may be there or not but it is easy to recognise it and other aspects of life provide greater happiness/satisfaction – so women lose their power over such a man. In fact such a man who may even have formerly been addicted to sex may not even notice or be distracted by women anymore.
There also can be states of being where a man has other greater priorities or has experienced greater happiness/bliss/contentment in other forms of living than that of simply being with a woman sexually. I had been in relationships with various goodlooking women over the course of years / great sex and strong drive the usual story – BUT to my surprise in my forties in monk lifestyle that I researched years before I heard mgtow I discovered a level of stable happiness, peace and wellbeing that easily exceeded/overshadowed the short term ecstacy/rush of sex with women even while retaining strong sexual health – that internal energy was utilised better – not being a slave to pussy. This is a simple truth in my life. I cannot comment or speak for anyone else.
Can a man actually condition his sexuality -the evidence suggest that to a degree yes.
I respect each MGHOW will have his own approach to this topic and it is not my intention to tell others what to do in relation to this subject – however for those that ‘are interested’ in either monk mode or celibacy or greater health/wellbeing for men that do engage in sex – there are ways to condition oneself in these lifestyles. These are subject areas in themselves. Whole books exist on these subject matter and some are linked with specific spiritual/philosophical approaches to life – and describe practices/lifestyles/methods/nutrition that were succesfully utilised in various older cultures that were unlike the throwaway sex culture that exists today. Sex today is an everyday shortterm commodity of quick gratification/release in a consumer culture gone mad – whereas it used to be actually something of higher value – not something as throwaway as a mcdonalds meal.
TMM’s started a well known thread on the subject of celibacy. Celibacy is a whole subject area in itself – books have been written on it – some such books reference practices from older cultures associated with men who were highly skilled in sexual arts and sexual discipline, those who regulated sexual practice, and also celibate monks from spiritual traditions including christian, taoism, vedic, buddhist, hindu, vaisnavism, and others. A good friend of mine lived for years as one such modern day monk in a monastery – he no longer lives in monasteries and he utilises what he learned while living day to day in society – its completely natural for him.
In ancient cultures such practices were taught to young men. These men became disciplined and self controlled in their youth and went on to marry if they wished, or become warriors, or men running society or actual monks – but they were not at the mercy of their sexual desires the way most men are today.
Feminism was funded by bankers/politicians to create more taxpayers. MGTOW IS FREEDOM https://archive.org/details/mgtowisfreedomblurayready
Thanks Christopher. I think you make some good points in reply to mine and I would not dispute what you say.
I would back up what you say about older cultures simply teaching more self control. Even in our own culture these things are for many of us only a generation or two away (my parents married as virgins. I did too.) It is possible to be self controlled. To unlearn desire is harder than to learn restraint. It is also very hard when one is young and there are some young men for whom a monkish lifestyle is probably virtually impossible. I was helped by not being a high value male when I was younger. I was not tempted by high quality women. It was easier to keep celibate when the women asking did not seem worth losing your virginity to. It is now hard to beat the desire -gratification pathways formed by life. It is probably harder for me now to refuse a woman than when I was 18 and full of hormones because I now know how easy it is to have her and how much a new woman would please me, because I know the world will not end if I don’t want her later and even if I get her pregnant I have enough children to mean she will not get much money from me at all. I have less to lose these days and the pathways are deeply engrained. I am not interested in most women (married, kids by other men, tattooed, fat, ugly, entitled, shallow, unstable, post wall, liberal… that’s well over 95% of women I can have with my SMV so it is easy for me to ignore tattooed single mothers but when a woman I actually like turns up that is harder for me. Life has taught me bad habits when it comes to celibacy. Recovering a more celibate culture may be an intergenerational thing? However, maybe I should just teach myself to try harder again?
Saying it is easy for me to ignore tattooed single mothers takes me to your and Sidecar’s other point that just not being interested is the best and easiest way. Yes this is true. I think this is partly a fear thing -I have learned that what a tattooed single mother brings is bad, so I am repulsed or at best just plain uninterested. It is also just desiring more interesting things than a self indulgent resource seeking woman. I think, however that this is a later stage in life that comes with both experience and declining testosterone. It is hard to teach someone this who does not feel it from within. The state of just not being bothered is hard to reach until experiment has satisfied curiosity.
It is a good topic and one that deserved listening to each other’s points. Each man has his own story -Carnage does not want to be a patriarch. I do. I hate the work of being a patriarch but think it is worth it. He thinks its pointless. We are both right in our own way because we are true to ourselves. Each man has something to teach. Maybe we should just ask more of ourselves? I have enjoyed reading what others have to say because we are all to some degree troubled by desiring women and knowing we do not want what they bring in this gynocentric age of entitled women.
A woman is like fire -fun to play with, can warm you through and cook your food, needs constant feeding, can burn you and consume all you own
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