Lust undermines the bargaining power of men.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

I am proposing here a concept that would fit in with MGTOW, so I am posting it here, as opposed to another forum on this site.

I am up for men having relationships, not based on bargaining, but out of mutual respect for people, who aren’t toxic and who you have a rooting interest make it in life.  With these individuals, you aren’t keeping score with them, and do things out of what you get from them.  Well, it appears these relationships are rare, so you get reduced to bargaining positions, and give and take, and doing with expectations of getting back (I would expect parents to be like this with their children, for example, and a NAWALT would be part of this to).  And in life, you will see the person who doesn’t need help, getting a flood of offers.  Banks go to businesses that don’t need money, and so on.  It is out of being approach to see what someone can get from you.

I mention lust here.  One can take it as sexual, or more in general, a very strong desire for things that has to be met, and compels someone to want or do things.  While it is said that the one who wants it more gets it, I would say, in a bargaining relationship, having a stronger lust for something will result in the person who can walk away being able to negotiate a better deal.  So, I would argue here, a man who is given into lust, will end up getting the short end of the stick.  And I believe this is why men are getting the short end of the stick a lot in life, particularly with women.  The guy who can’t walk away will get played, and drop all respect and compromise.  After doing all this, get will develop resentment, and get even weaker.  And none of this I believe is in keeping with being a MGTOW.

So, that is my take.  Feel free to agree, disagree, shed or whatever.  And feel free to comment below.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[RoyDalParticipant]

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

So, I would argue here, a man who is given into lust, will end up getting the short end of the stick.  And I believe this is why men are getting the short end of the stick a lot in life, particularly with women.  The guy who can’t walk away will get played, and drop all respect and compromise.

Agreed.
The night before, it’s all: “I love you a lot, a little bit, maybe, I think.”
The night of: Boink!
The morning after it’s: “Now what the hell did I do that for?! How am I going to get away from this bitch without making a total fool of myself?”

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

I would agree except I would replace the word lust with the word attachment. It’s not the desire for a thing that weakens us, it’s the need to possess that thing. Once we become attached to an object, an achievement, a title, a female, then we give power to the fear of failure and loss.

Getting what you want while being prepared to go on without it is an art. This is how men close the big deals, get the most beautiful women and win without appearing to put in any effort… they’re simply ready at a moment’s notice to wash their hands and walk away clean.

[Anonymous 3]

Well the governments in the West seek to do everything in their power to keep men from walking away. Historically it was thought women were the lustful sex and desperate for attachment, and men could control themselves and were reasonable.

The modern Western effeminate male takes the role of the female for thousands of years. He has no restraint, no reason, no pride.

[SteveParticipant 462]

Stargazer wrote:

I would agree except I would replace the word lust with the word attachment. It’s not the desire for a thing that weakens us, it’s the need to possess that thing. Once we become attached to an object, an achievement, a title, a female, then we give power to the fear of failure and loss. Getting what you want while being prepared to go on without it is an art. This is how men close the big deals, get the most beautiful women and win without appearing to put in any effort… they’re simply ready at a moment’s notice to wash their hands and walk away clean.

 

Doc – spot on with this.

If you go to a job interview with no job, overly keen, want it the most and desperate then you’ll mostly not get it or if you do the salary offered will be low and your boss will ride you/have little respect for you.

If you go to the same interview already with a job, interested but not overly keen, with the attitude what am I going to gain from this then most likely you’ll be offered the job and a good salary. Of course you don’t accept the first salary offer either and take your sweet time thinking it over.

The same principle works with women. Why on earth you would want any modern woman is another question however.

 

[Zuberi TauParticipant 10606]

To hell with lust.

Self preservation is more important than firing off knuckle children.

[schizoaffectiveParticipant 35]

You’re absolutely right. Lust undermines men’s ability think rationally. Most men in a relationship end up pussy whipped and its pathetic to everyone who witnesses it.

Fortunately, lust is a young man’s folly. As we get older it diminishes and its easier to control.

[bigboy83Participant 11312]

Lust is part of the 7 deadly sins, I got caught up in that.

We now understand what lust causes, Oops pregnancies, stds, crazy bitches, etc.

Now, mgtow gives you the option to walk away.

I choose to walk away.

Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.

[Sky-OParticipant 18933]

Lust/neuro chemicals/’love’

All just kryptonite to me during my pre MGTOW era. Getting away from it all caused me to gain my powers back.

[Crazy CanuckMember 4215]

Here’s a video telling how to find a lady. I’m sure there will be some disagreements with this video but over it’s helpful.

"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Stargazer wrote:

I would agree except I would replace the word lust with the word attachment. It’s not the desire for a thing that weakens us, it’s the need to possess that thing. Once we become attached to an object, an achievement, a title, a female, then we give power to the fear of failure and loss. Getting what you want while being prepared to go on without it is an art. This is how men close the big deals, get the most beautiful women and win without appearing to put in any effort… they’re simply ready at a moment’s notice to wash their hands and walk away clean.

The take I was going with this, in regards to attachment, is that lust drives one to get attached and fixated to anything, whether it be a woman, a position of power and so on, and ends up having that become a priority.  The moment that happens, in can come a line of conditions by the subject of the lust that gets you played.  So, I can agree that the attachment is a big part of it.  I would argue to be unattached to a state, can help not be tired to it.

I took lust here as passion that one loses control over, that controls someone.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Darth SinParticipant 576]

Anytime you feel a sense of lustfulness or attachment developing, just go and furiously jack off to porn that is to your liking. Repeatedly. Drain that dragon of the sperm and clear your head so those hormones don’t go making yourself go full retard.

[hmskl’dParticipant 6405]

Left lust in the dust almost twenty years ago. Thanks forever to L for making me walk. Ironically, you really saved me.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Darth Sin wrote:

Anytime you feel a sense of lustfulness or attachment developing, just go and furiously jack off to porn that is to your liking. Repeatedly. Drain that dragon of the sperm and clear your head so those hormones don’t go making yourself go full retard.

There is chemical processes in the brain that can end up triggering what looks like an addiction pattern if one gets into porn.  You want a stronger dose and so on, and could end up drifting.  I won’t go on anyone who does it, but I am thinking maybe another way is to go off stuff completely, keep one’s life clear of things, and focus on other stuff via sublimating.  I won’t say it is easy at all, or even possible all the time, just an idea.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Cipher HighwindParticipant 1144]

What is considered “lust” I do not think to be inherently harmful. Rather, the pursuit of one’s lust is ruinous. Better to sate lust with pornography and masturbation until one realises the absurdity of the whole matter.

[experiencedParticipant]

All things considered, women lust more than men.  They are natural pro’s at it, so it’s harder to see, initially.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[RusskyParticipant 13503]

@CrazyCanuck – interesting video, thanks for sharing. The guy talks about NAWALT ladies from the upper class. This may be a valid argument, but not being from the upper class – you’re pretty much doomed. Because no upper class ladies will ever have anything to with someone not from upper class, so I find his analysis over- simplistic.

proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome

[MgtowWaveParticipant 4352]

I agree 100% that women know we want sex and use that to manipulate and control.

They see it as a kind of currency.

On top of that pitty the fool (like I have been ) that falls in love with the wrong woman .

As for upper class women. I also pitty the rich men paying tons in alimony and child support.

Look at Robin Williams .

To all you young guys out there: take it from an old fool

:Don’t be a fool with women or this system.

They are designed to use you up and spit you out if you make one too many wrong steps like in a mine field.

frankly my dear i don't give a damn

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

MgtowWave wrote:

I agree 100% that women know we want sex and use that to manipulate and control. They see it as a kind of currency. On top of that pitty the fool (like I have been ) that falls in love with the wrong woman . As for upper class women. I also pitty the rich men paying tons in alimony and child support. Look at Robin Williams . To all you young guys out there: take it from an old fool :Don’t be a fool with women or this system. They are designed to use you up and spit you out if you make one too many wrong steps like in a mine field.

I have seen sexual currency discussed.

One take on MGTOW is it plays with a different set of currency, and expects that the world use it with dealing with a MGTOW.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

I am no more afraid of or concerned with lust than I am with thirst or hunger… these are merely signals of physical needs which, I believe, it is unhealthy to deny and which pain us only until they are sated.

Hunger for sustenance can be met with a banquet of steak and lobster or with a can of spam… you take the banquet when you can get it and you enjoy the spam when it’s all you’ve got. Lust is the same way. When I can have a desirable female, I take her. When I can not, I make do with whatever I have. To turn down a desirable and available female in favor of jerking off to porn is the equivalent of turning down the steak and lobster banquet in favor of the spam.

And yes, I am well aware of the dangers females can represent. Some people are allergic to shellfish as well so you take whatever precautions you require. I have already done so… and having done so, have little to fear.

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